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question and she got the last word as the final candidate to deliver a closing argument. >> i am in this fight because i believe that we can make our government, we can make our economy, we can make our country work. not just for those at the top, we can make it work for everyone, and i promise you this. i will fight for you as hard as i fight for my own family. >> a contrast and clashes on policy, health care, immigration, foreign policy. this is former housing secretary julian castro sparring with his fellow texan beto o'rourke. >> title 18 of the u.s. code, title 21 and title 22 already covered -- if you did your homework on this issue you would know that -- >> that was arguably the most heated exchange of the night. we spoke with julian castro in our last hour and joining us now
is presidential candidate beto o'rourke. congressman, great to see you. have you had any sleep yet? >> not a lot. >> great to have you. former secretary castro went after you, basically accusing you not knowing what you were talking about. after the debate he sat down with chris matthews and said it again. so let me just play that moment for you now. >> i think he was just misinformed. he probably hadn't done his homework and you'd have to ask him why that is. he was suggesting you needed to keep that law because we would need to be able to punish people who are drug trafficking or human trafficking. i agree we need to be able to punish them, but you know what? we already have laws that do it. >> congressman, what do you say to julian castro who said you just hadn't done your homework on it in. >> no one's work harder to end the practice of family
separation. a year ago father's day we were at this infamous tent city housing children, many of whom had been separated from their parents, some of whom had been gauge caged, their parents deported back to the very countries from which they'd fled. not knowing if or when they'd ever see them again. that action helped close it down and end this practice of family separation at least temporarily. i cosponsored legislation that would ensure any family fleeing persecution or violence seeking asylum in this country is not criminally prosecuted so i want to set the record straight on that. but also add in my administration we'll free any dreamers of the fear of deportation by making them citizens and rewrite our immigration laws in our own image so they reflect our values, interests and reality like cities like my hometown of
el paso. a very ambitious plan to make sure we get immigration policy rig right. >> when castro said it's that code 1325 that allows for family separations, is he wrong to say that, by making it civil instead of criminal, that's how you would solve that problem? >> he's wrong on his characterization of family separation. as i just shared earlier we cosponsored legislation that would end this practice and ensure any family seeking asylum even if it's an unlawful entry in between ports of entry is not criminally prosecuted. we're going to introduce a family case management program so these families are not detained. they're released into the community, they're helped to attend their court dates, follow our laws. it keeps us safer. it ensures they're following our own laws and practices, and we can do so at a fraction of the
cost. i'm raising my three kids on the u.s.-mexico border in el paso, texas. it's one of the safest cities in the united states of america right now. it is safe because we treat one another with respect and dignity. we don't need changes, to criminally prosecute families. we need immigration laws that reflect. >> you peppered some last night with spanish which you speak and i guess you were addressing people who speak spanish. the question you were asked was about your top tax rate and you answered part of it in spanish. so let me remind viewers of what you said last night. >> this economy has got to work for everyone, and right now we know that it isn't, and it's going to take all of us coming together to make sure that it doesn't.
>> why did you want to answer that question in spanish? >> i think it's important that we listen to and speak to everyone in this country including those who happen to speak or prefer to speak spanish. i've held more than 160 town halls, answered thousands of questions most in english, but some in spanish. if this democracy is going to work, if our economy is going to work for everyone, then everyone has to be included especially those who have been marginalized and not been at the table, i want to make sure their voice is heard, their vote counts as well. coming from elpassee, texas, in order for me to be effective when i was a member of congress there i need today be able to
listen and speak to everyone in both english and spanish. >> that was some of the obsta e substance of last night. let's talk about the style. what grade would you give yourself? >> i was really happy with what i did. i got to lay out why i'm running for president. i talked about my daughter molly who just turned 11 years old and the fact she's counting on us, that children all across this country are counting on us. and there are children right now who do not have representation or a voice including those sleeping under tinfoil blankets who have been separated from their families. i talked about the new kind of politics, a kind of politics we demonstrated in texas where we went to each one of the 254 counties, writing nobody off, taking no one for granted, listening to and learning from the people that we wanted to serve. we saw the greatest voter turn out in the mid-term in texas
history. we want independence for the first time in decades. half a million republicans joined our cause. that's how you beat donald trump and bring this divided country together again to make sure we meet the greatest challenges we've ever faced. >> okay, what what grade would you give yourself for last night? >> i'd give myself an "a." i describe why i'm doing this, who i'm doing it for, the people that inspired me and how we're going to meet these challenges. and it felt like i was able to get that across. >> did you feel some of the other candidates were going after you specifically? >> i sure did. but that's part of politics and part of the debate. certainly one where you have ten candidates on the stage, each of them trying to make their mark. i choose to define myself not against other people. i'm really running not against any of those other candidates but for the united states of
america. so i felt like my responsibility was to describe my vision for this country and reflect back so much of what i've heard by listening to people all across this country. others have a different strategy, one that involved attacking other candidates. and i'll leave it to pundits and others to judge performance or the best tactics one could take, but i was very pleased with my ability to lay out why i'm doing this and what it is i want to accomplish. >> when we get the presidential candidates on, we like to ask them about music in a segment we call "candidate mix tape." there's our cool sting for it. and we've been looking forward to having you in particular on because of your punk rock past so what songs are you looking for in your debate prep? >> so my favorite band of all-time, they say the only band that matters is the clash. and their best album in my opinion is london calling.
so you can pick almost any track off that album. "clamp down" is probably my favorite. that's a great song to get pumped up with but really would take anything of the clash. >> i think you share a favorite band with mayor de blasio. have you guys bonded about that? >> we haven't and i didn't know that. next time i'll see him i'll ask him about it. maybe he was at shea stadium when the clash played there, but love them. and i feel like there's a connection to el paso, my hometown. they did a cover of the bobby fuller fours, i fought the law. bobby fuller from el paso, texas. so new york, el paso, the clash had an impact on us. >> and what's the theme song of your campaign? >> oh, allison, that's a good one. i don't know. let me think about that one. clamp down is often something folks will play when we're
taking a stage or about to talk at a town hall. it talks about, you know, being prepared for a kind of fascism that we're seeing in this administration from donald trump right now. an administration that is defined by intolerance, hatred and open racism. you know, calling mexican immigrants rapistests or criminals or seeking to ban the trabl travel of muslims. it's not just offensive to our ears but threatens to change who we are as a country. there are real mortar aual consequences to what we're seeing. >> i could talk about this all day long. i love talking about music and i like obviously sort of comparing the lyrics then to now, et cetera. so come back anytime, and we are happy to talk about policy and
everything else. thanks so much for being on "new day" with us. >> sounds good. thank you, alison, appreciate it. >> joining us now political analyst david gregory, joshua green, and maggie haberman, white house correspondent for "the new york times." obviously you were speaking with beto o'rourke. there was a lot else in this debate last night. maggie, let me start with you. what your main take away from this first democratic clash? >> my main take away it's all going to be wiped away frankly the second one where it's going to be joe biden, the front-runner on stage. look, i think you have to say elizabeth warren had a good night just by default. people -- the other candidates on stage with her, there was room for another person to break out, but they were going to need to make sharper distinctions with her, and so they were making sharp distinctions with each other. ironically bill de blasio who is not treated particularly well by
the media in new york city actually showed why new york politics are effective for trying to break out on the debate stage. he was pretty good at smashmouth, whether that would propel him i don't know. at the end of the day there were questions i was surprised were not asked. i was surprised frankly elizabeth warren was not asked about the dna test she took related to her claim of native-american heritage. i don't know if these are going to come up later. i think this was a debate designed to avoid a lot of media criticism and i think they succeed in that. >> david gregory, what surprised you? >> first, a lot of good take-aways by maggie. it's interesting, maggie. i moderated a debate between scott brown and elizabeth warren, spent time asking about the native-american issue and a way to debunk some tf oat the time, and there was a very unkind reaction among some
liberals in the audience and even with whom i worked at nbc at the time. so maybe there was some insight into why they steered clear of it last night. i thought elizabeth warren was able to really land some of the more meaningful moments of the night. you know, that the economy is not working for everyone, that she's for scrapping private health insurance, that the government is corrupt. i mean there was fight to her, there was passion, and there were bold strokes. and i think she's going to need that if she's going to win the progressive lane of this primary fight. and i think as maggie has suggested, some of the other distinctions were, frankly, at the under card level at this early stage in terms of how people are polling. so what i think also struck me was the absence of taking on trump directly. i have to think there'll be a contrast tonight when biden's real reason for being right now, his main calling card is that he can take the fight to trump.
>> jonathan martin of "the new york times" has swooped in to join the discussion. >> he doesn't want to mess this. >> you've been writing about this, that there has been a leftward shift in the framing, the entire framing of the discussion on the democratic side. >> so striking, yeah. just in ten years, john, going back to the oa '08 primary, where you're gaufb got a major democratic candidate on the field raising her hand saying, yes, she would in fact scrap the entire health care system in america is the kind of bold politics i don't think you would have seen in a more defensive democratic politics. the party that was trying to sort of come out from the reagan-bush krouchl of well, we can't give the republicans too much fodder, we can't be seen as too liberal by the middle of the country those days are really
gone. i think the trump era has emboldened this party, and is there going to be a point where democratic voters say we're onboard with the policy but is this going too far given the fact we thought we had 2016 in the bank and obviously we lost. are they going to want to go forward with some of these policies that do undeniably give the gop fodder to attack them. >> josh, what jumped out to you last night. >> what jumped out to me was warren and her uninhibited ideas of race that probably wouldn't have been discussed in a democratic debate four years ago or eight years ago. she was very careful not to position herself not on the outer most fringes. she said she was a capitalist, not a democratic socialist like sanders. she seemed to maintain a broader appeal than just a candidate
like sanders who exists on the left. last night, though, i think she really put that at risk by saying she'd be willing to get rid of private health insurance. >> you saw it on the stage last night and what jonathan described in his piece and just now from this movement with how barack obama dealt with the health care issue, to hillary clinton, how there's been an expansive view of private health care for all, scrapping health care in a single payer system. i think the bold part of this, look there's a page from donald trump here which is to be so bold and almost campaign by metaphor, which is even if he couldn't get this kind of health care vision implemented, to say she'd fight for it because that's what everyone should be doing. >> everyone keeps bringing up donald trump, the president of the united states. >> the politics here i think are this. i think warren knew and she didn't raise her hand at that
question that bernie sanders and his supporters more to the point would have really pounced on her. because they have been coming at her for weeks now not being sufficiently outspoken for medicare for all. that's been a major part of attack. so there's some sort of primary within the primary politics going on here. >> that's a great point. she's got to win a primary and a specific part of the primary, that's what she's thinking about, not necessarily the difficulties it might cause in the general election. the president of the united states donald trump, last night during your live streaming you noted there wasn't a lot of push back from the president or rnc during this debate. part of that reason because the democrats weren't really talking about him. >> we had all this pomp about how the president was going to live tweet and at the end of the day he wasn't going to get involved.
but the rnc and the president's campaign saw very little reason to weigh into this, because to your point they weren't really going after president trump except they were on policy. they were talking about immigration, and that is where some of the most substantive disagreements came about as we were talking about with beto o'rourke. that is where julian castro did break out in a way few others did on that stage. but i think the president is so used and his folks are so used to being this personal referendum on donald trump up or down. and that's not what last night was. joe biden's entire case is he can take on president trump and he's more electable and i think you're going to see more president trump on this stage, but it was really striking. warren, she was one of the only candidates it seemed like really knew why she was running for president. there were a lot of candidates
there who certainly had issue positions and what they wanted to talk about, but it was not clear what their theory of the case was. that is not true for her. >> panel, excellent insight. we'll look forward to talking to you after tonight's debate as well. another presidential candidate trying to break through the democratic field last night was washington governor jay inslee. he's going to join us with how he thinks the night went. that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up. expedia. everything you need to go. expedia. here are even more reasons to join t-mobile. 1. do you like netflix? sure you do. that's why it's on us. 2. unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want. 3. no surprises on your bill. taxes and fees included. still think you have a better deal? bring in your discount, and we'll match it. that's right.
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the only governor on the stage last night was the governor of washington state, jay inslee trying to break through like they all were. joining us now is washington governor jay inslee. thank you very much. how much sleep did you get? >> just enough to get up and be with you this morning. worked out great. >> fantastic. that's the perfect amount. let me ask you, we have the chart about speaking time. who spoke the most, who spoke the least. cory booker got more than ten minutes of speaking time. you only got four minutes, 52
seconds. is that frustrating for you? >> well, look, things could have been a little bit more equitable, but i was able to deliver a message that will make -- and i was able to talk a bit about my progressive record. i'll tell you the thing most concerning to me is we're in miami and a couple of blocks from here going to be under water shortly and really are. we really need to have more time to review and discuss the climate crisis. more of the candidates have to be given an opportunity and requirement to do that. so i'm very hopeful that we can have a deeper discussion of the theme that 25 years from now people are going to look back and realize we need to focus on that issue. i hope we find a way to have a much more in-depth or 7 minutes or 27 seconds on the number one threat or the existential threat is not enough.
we need to go deeper. >> well, you call it the number one threat this morning, which is why i was surprised that when you were posed with the question last night what is the number one threat to national security, when chuck todd asked that, let's play that last night. >> the biggest threat to the security of the united states is donald trump. there's no question. >> so you got a lot of applause and it's a memorable line, but your first, second, and third issue you're campaigning on is the climate crisis. why didn't you say the climate crisis was your number one issue or you thought it was the biggest threat? >> well, look, donald trump is the force that's stopping us from moving forward against the climate crisis. he and his administration are repealing virtually every law we have to help us get a clean energy future. his vice president the other day said the air is actually clean, there's nothing wrong. well, wake up and smell the
carbon dioxide, mike pence. we are now having cities being literally drowned like miami, cities being burned down like paradise, california. the midwest with these historic floods. but you have to realize donald trump is not just that one security issue. he is a threat causing tensions in iran. look, we had a perfectly good agreement with iran to keep them from becoming a nuclear power. he tore it up and now we have these tensions. we have tragedies on the border. we saw the dimensons of that yesterday. we're all heartsick about that, and instead of trying to find a solution to this and help the dreamers and come up humane policies, he keeps using it as a political cudgel. so i do believe i gave the right answer to that, and i'll keep talking in those terms. >> again, you brought up vice president pence. what he said is the united states has the cleanest air in the world, and as has been pointed out repeatedly, that's just not true. there was another moment that came up last night and you were
talking about your progressive record on womens reproductive rights. and i want to play that moment which went on a little bit past what you said. listen to this. >> we do have one candidate that's actually advanced the ball and we've got to do it -- >> i just want to say there are three women up here that have fought pretty hard for womens right to choose. so i'll start with that. >> what did you think when she said that? >> well, i think that was she was right. all the candidates on that stage have taken pro-choice positions and i respect all of their efforts, but it is important that women actually have access to insurance. and the point i was making is my bill is one of the few in the nation that guarantees women access to insurance so insurance companies cannot deny coverage.
and we know women are under attack all over many places in the country. we need to make my bill a national law so that women in every state and every zip code are protected from insurance companies that otherwise would not give them health care. look, reproductive health care is health care. and i am proud that i passed a law to guarantee that health care to women. that needs to be a national law, i'll make sure it is if i'm given this honor. >> you did not raise your hand when asked at the beginning of the debate if you would work to end private insurance in america. why? >> well, i think we need to have universal health care. that's why i've been so dedicated to that match we've got now 800,000 people on obamacare that have voted for. but most importantly as governor i've signed the option bill in the united states.
i hope other states will follow our leadership in washington. >> but private insurance. >> but basically i just don't think it's necessary to take away peoples health insurance who may enjoy it. and i think it debilitates our ability to move forward. we have to have universal access. we're moving it in washington state. i look forward to bringing that leadership to washington, d.c. >> governor jay inslee, thank you very much for being with us this morning. i appreciate it. >> you bet. john, this is photograph already seared into our collective consciousness. cnn has new information on the life and death choices oscar martin ezand his young daughter faced as they tried to make it to the u.s. and the coffee delicious. for future generations. all for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee roasters. that's ensure max protein, with high protein and 1 gram sugar. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist!
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. we have new details this morning about that harrowing journey, a father and daughter took before they drowned. and this horrific photo was taken of their bodies washed ashore along the rio granlde. cnn's michael holmes live in mexico with the latest. what have you learned, michael? >> reporter: hey there, alison.
when we've crossed the border by car it takes us hliterally minutes but for oscar martinez and his family when they tried it was an impenetrable barrier, and you can see behind me where their bodies were found. as for that photograph, the photographer, she knew when she took that photograph it was powerful, a little girl basically embracing her father in death. but she says the photograph going viral just isn't enough. >> translator: this should be an invitation to debate and consider changes on the migratory policies and for the two governments to ask themselves what are we doing for the immigrants, and why in the middle of depair a father and head of family doesn't care risking his life and his daughter's life just to make it to the other side thinking he will find a better future.
>> and there is a sense of sadness here of course at the deaths of martinez and little angie valeria, but there was not a sense of shock. if it hadn't been for that photograph, and julia said she's photographed 25 bodies along here the last couple of months, if it hadn't been for that photograph that man and his little daughter would be anonymous statistics in this crisis. those bodies going back to el salvador where they'll be laid to rest, the country they fled for a better life but instead the result is a family that's been shattered. >> michael holmes there witnessing what's going down there at the border. thank you for telling us this story. appreciate it. former trump campaign chair paul manafort set to be arraigned this afternoon on new york state fraud charges. his defense lawyer says he will fight. live outside the courthouse with the very latest.
brin, what will we see? >> reporter: this is the first time the former trump aide will set foot in court facing these 16 fraud charges. remember he was convicted of fraud charges, federal fraud charges earlier this year, and it was only just an hour after that that the manhattan district attorney then announced these 16 state charges and essentially saying no one is above the law. of course that timing was very calculated am. this essentially will make paul manafort pardon-proof from the president if he's actually convicted on these state charges. it'll be interesting to see how this case moves forward. his defense attorney says he plans to plead not guilty today. he will have to make a plea in front of a judge, and there's already been talk about what sort of special treatment paul manafort has received. he was expected to go to the
notorious rikers jail but of course last minute the doj jumped in and saved him and now he's being housed in the detention center where elchapeau is housed and they said basically it's for his protection. we'll see what sort of treatment he receives but he will be in front of a judge for the first time at 2:15 today. >> thank you very much for that update. meanwhile the democrat candidates were divided on health care, so dr. sanjay gupta is going to sort it out for us. he looks at medicare versus private insurance, et cetera. my experience with usaa
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this morning health care front and center. it certainly was at last night's presidential debate. the ten candidates trading ideas on medicare for all, the public option, private insurance. san jay, we heard a back and forth over whether they should do away with private insurance altogether, but the framing was about medicare for all, and which a phrase we hear a lot but what does it actually mean? >> people generally know what medicare is, you pay into it your nentire working career through social security and then you get the benefit of that when you're age 65. it would essentially take that plan and expand it to everyone. where a government health care plan where you're not paying premiums, most out-of-pocket expenses are covered. not all of them but most are
covered. and the same medicare now available to seniors would be available to everyone. there's a lot of support for this if you tell people it's going to cover everyone. there's a lot of support for people if you tell them it's going to cut down on their premiums and out-of-pocket cost. the support drops significantly if you tell people they would lose their options. there's different variations of this plan right now. there are some people who say let's not make it medicare for all. let's just lower the age people can actually get into this. instead of 55 let's make it 50 for example. there are people who say do medicare for all but also have a private insurance option. >> and to be clear bernie sanders saying no, just medicare for all. in terms of how to pay for it, there's even a disagreement how we should frame that discussion. but talk about the money. how much it would cost.
>> you have urban institutes, heritage institute who all released their numbers. sanders release said his numbers in 2016, updated them again last year. if you look at all them you do see there's probably a reduction in cost. there's a reduction how much we pay for health care. we spend $3.5 trillion on health care right now. that could drop by even a trillion dollars a year depending on the numbers. how do you pay for it? you have to raise taxes because you're taking money now and spending it out of the federal government. people who currently have medicare, they don't have increased taxes. they already got their medicare. they're going to keep their medicare but suddenly have to pay tax. they're probably the ones the biggest losers in all this because they're paying more now for the exact same thing. >> a very important discussion and understanding the terms even more important. all right, john, here's what else to watch today.
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video, the moment an atlantic area deputy opened up a plastic bag in the woods only to discover this, a newborn baby inside. watch this. >> oh, look how precious you are. >> you can just hear the concern and caring in the voices. investigators hope this body cam video leads to whoever abandoned the little girl. the deputy in that video, terry rover, a father of two said he just went into dad mode. he joins us now along with sheriff ron freeman. terry, i want to start with you. first of all, thank you so much for being with us this morning, and thank you for being so human and caring in that moment. what went through your head as you were in the woods opening this bag? >> the first thing that came to
my mind is we had to render aid to the baby. that was the first and foremost thing that had to be done. and once i got there and was able to see she had no injuries, i was able to pick her up and take care of her. your fatherly instinct kicks in. you just want to show love to a child that had never known it before. the only thing she knew was being in a bag and i was honored to be able to do that. >> oh, my gosh, and you did is so well, deputy. you showed her love and cam passion and were talking with her in those sort of beautiful dad tones of trying to soothe her and console her. and sheriff, can you tell us anything about the back story here of how it is that a baby ended up in a plastic bag in the woods? >> well, that's the mystery of our criminal investigation. we're working hard on that. we've got a lot of forensic evidence we recovered. that's our goal right now is to find out who abandoned this baby
and of course what's the reasons they did so and how did they make such a horrible decision to leave this baby to die. that's our primary focus now. baby india is doing fantastically well. she's safe, and so now we're focused on that criminal investigation. and this is why we released the body cam footage. we need to public's help. out there somebody knows a woman who was was pregnant, near full-term and now she's not and there's not a baby in the picture. that's a little suspicious. and it's likely here in the atlantic metro area, and so we need somebody to call us with that tip that will lead us down the right path in this criminal investigation. >> terry deputy you refused to leave the hospital the night you found baby india. tell us about that. >> i didn't refuse to leave the hospital. i just didn't want to. i wanted to see her before i left, but she still had some medical examinations to go through so i couldn't really see her and hold her.
the next night she was transferred to a regular nursery area and the staff at the hospital was kind enough to let me in and hold her again. >> sheriff, this is obviously wonderful police work. we rely on all of you to do everything. you know, it's not just an active dangerous crime scene. sometimes it requires something like just this human touch and compassion, but can you tell us also about the role of the good samaritan who called you? who heard that baby crying? >> so the true heroes in this story and deputy roper is indeed along with his partners who were at the scene are good citizens who heard that. a father and his three daughters who just returned home from vacation and went inside their home and empty out their car from their trip and the girls heard what they thought was a baby crying. nobody expects to hear a baby crying in the woods 100 yards from their house.
they kept on by their dad back and forth and decided to go investigate. had they not done that, this would have been a different conversation. so they're the true heroes of the day. >> i'm still on team terry as being one of the heroes here, and you wept back to hold baby india again. when she's in your arms and you're looking at her, how does that feel? what are you thinking? >> you know, afterwards i was able to think about the situation and i knew that i was the first person to be able to show her that compassion, and it's quite an honor to be that person, to show her the first bit of love, and it's something i'll never forget. >> sheriff, how can we help you and baby india? if someone has any information about how this baby ended up in a plastic bag in the woods, what do you want them to do? >> you can go to our social
media, our website or dial 77078130 and share that tip. we don't know who left this baby or abanded her or what the reasons are. we need to understand that. we're going to make sure she's taken care of, but we need to know why this happen. thank you for sharing with us and hopefully this generates a tip. >> thank you for everything you've done and showing love and human compassion. >> thank you, gentleman. we'll follow it. and bring us any updates. thank you all for watching. cnn newsroom with poppy harlow and jim sciutto is next. meet sergio. and his daughter, maria. sergio's coffee tastes spectacular. because costa rica is spectacular. so we support farmers who use natural compost. to help keep the soil healthy. and the coffee delicious. for future generations. all for a smoother tasting cup. green mountain coffee roasters.
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