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nights and weekends. today's xfinity service. simple. easy. awesome. i'd rather not. you are watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin, thank you for being here. democratic fight night round one is officially in the history books. it's clear more than one candidate tried to score a knockout punch in last night's debate. julian castro, tulsi gabbard and tim ryan sparred over who was responsible for 911, while amy klobuchar got in jabs at president trump and jay inslee. elizabeth warren was there smack dab center stage, her policies
reflect the party's left wing. here are the candidates in their own words. >> we can make our government. we can make our economy. we can make our country work, not just for those at the top. we can make it work for everyone. and i promise you this, i will fight for you as hard as i fight for my own family. >> title 21 and 22 already cover -- >> if we -- >> no -- >> drug traffickers. >> you said we were. >> would you replace private insurance? >> no, i think the choice is fundamental to our ability to get -- >> private insurance is not working for tens of millions of americans, when you talk about the co pays, the deductibles, the premiums, the out of pocket expenses, it's not working. >> we cannot keep u.s. troops deployed to afghanistan, thinking we're going to squash this taliban. >> i didn't say squash them. when we weren't in there, they started flying planes into our buildings. i'm just saying right now. >> the taliban didn't attack us
on 9/11, al qaeda did. and i don't think we should conduct public policy in our bathrobe at 5:00 in the morning. >> the time is up. >> i'm the only candidate here, that has passed a law protecting a woman's right. >> there's three women up here that have fought pretty hard for a woman's right to choose. >> that was just night number one. eliza collins is a national political reporter with the "wall street journal." tonight, night number two, totally new crop of candidates, including front-runner joe biden, we saw last night, senator elizabeth warren staying above the fray. do you think the former vice president will be able to do the same? >> well, tonight is a different ball game, really, because we have the front-runner, joe biden, bernie sanders, who's pulling two or three. we have pete buttigieg up there, and kamala harris. four out of the top five candidates are on this stage
tonight. and senator sanders and joe biden have very clear differences. senator sanders has not been afraid to go after joe biden already in his campaign. joe biden has made clear he's trying to take a centrist approach and appeal to independents and republican voters. i think already we know all of that going into tonight. it could get messy. last night got a little more heated than we expected. >> well, there was a lot on policy, you can tell the moderators were trying to figure out where the daylight existed. you didn't hear as much about president trump. so, you know, biden as we all know has made beating trump the centerpiece of his campaign. are you expecting a shift in messaging this evening? >> i think so, i think that top four candidates tonight have tried to talk about the president and sort of step ahead of the primary. and kind of exhibit to voters they can beat president trump in a general election. biden has talked a lot about that, bernien sadders has
pointed to polls that have him beating the president. we've seen kamala harris come out and talk about her history. as a prosecutor prosecuting the president on things she deems to be crimes, and so i think we will see all of those candidates trying to jump ahead of the primary, because they are polling a little bit higher, and try to go directly at president trump. >> eliza collins, thank you very much. i want to keep the conversation rolling along, todd graham is debate director in carbondale. todd, nice to have you back. i know you were working on grading these various candidates, starting with last night, you say elizabeth warren earned an a minus, tell me why? >> she did. what brought the minus in for was her first answer. she seemed anxious and nervous at the beginning. which is not unexpected in probably her biggest moment of her political career. after that first answer, i thought she got right on track, and she had some really good
answers to things like health care and corporations and profit earring. and in -- she closed it really well with the closing statement. i thought elizabeth warren did a terrific job. especially staying above the fray. as you play earlier some of the cross talk that was going on back and forth, and you couldn't understand anybody. for the most part, elizabeth warren stayed out of that, i thought that was a smart ploy. >> explain this to me, i know you said it was a disadvantage to be one of the candidates on debate night number one. you're also saying it was good for warren. how so? >> i said it could be a disadvantage or an advantage. it's easier to actually blow it in the first debate than have a good debate. you can't win the nomination on the first night, but you can lose it. did that happen? absolutely. why was it bad to go on the
first night. his name is beto o'rourke. he lost the nomination last night. most of us don't know much about him. i had never seen him personally give too many speeches. last night i couldn't have been less impressed by him. no, i think he did absolutely what i was afraid someone would do, which is lose a nomination by having such a poor debate. >> still so early. still so early. but -- >> it is. >> i hear you on the criticism. and it was the back and forth that he had with julian castro, google searches went berserk over people educating who is julian castro. you gave him a b minus, this is the moment where he really stood out. let's play it. >> watching that image of the father and daughter is heart breaking. it should also piss us all off. >> why did that really rezen ate with you? >> because he was speaking like a real person. one of the reasons donald trump is popular, is because he speaks
like the rest of us do. and often times these political candidates and sometimes last night even people like amy klobuchar said things that seemed canned or not really coming from her, yet last night when we heard castro say that, we knew that that's how he meant it, that's what he meant to say. and that's what people like about trump, and i think that's the attitude you need to have in the debate. be yourself, even if it means you have to say something like that. >> there were some contentious exchanges. do you think trump has changed the way we view debates? do you think americans are expecting or wanting it? >> yes. i mean, it's a yes and no sort of an answer. >> yes. >> less on the democrat side. but yes, and here's why, because eight years ago, i famously once said on air that americans don't
actually like arguing in debates. they want it to be more pleasant. that's certainly shifted. that's mostly because of donald trump. last night there was a lot of that, that was also because there's too many people on stage. and if you're polling low in the numbers. you have to jump right in there sometimes. while that can be a good thing, that can be a really bad thing. that's one of the reasons i think there was a little bit of an infighting. >> todd graham, thank you very much. huge topic was immigration. and with the crisis at the u.s. mexican border making so much news this week. case in point this heated exchange between 2020 candidates castro and o'rourke. >> the reason that they're separating these little children from their families is that they're using section 1325 of that act, which criminalizes coming across the border to encarcerate the parents and separate them. some of us on this stage have called to end that section, to
terminate it. some like congressman o'rourke have not. and i want to challenge all of the candidates to do that. i just think it's a mistake, beto. i think it's a mistake. if you want to change the system, that we have to repeal that section. >> and just to be clear. section 1325 of the immigration and nationality act applies a criminal violation to anyone crossing the border illegally, as opposed to treating it as a civil infraction. julian castro wants to repeal that. congressman, nice to see you. let me ask you, you know, listening to that last night, making border crossings a serve el offense. it's been this cornerstone of castros campaign. do you agree with it? >> absolutely. i agree with it, and so does the whole immigrant rights movement in the country. and so it was astonishing to me
that beto o'rourke was so abrasive. i watched my colleague ryan from ohio said, we have to take a look at it, i mean even the centri centrist, more moderate democrats, whether from minnesota or from ohio, were taking a look at it, and so i don't understand -- and i think it's fundamental, because he spoke about a father and his daughter. we saw the pictures. i woke up to watching that today on the screen of my tv set. i thank julian castro for bringing it up in the context of the debate. let's remember that it is very frequently used in the trump administration, and how they use it, and how did we get section 1325?
here's how we get it, we got it because a racist white supremacist senator in 1929 from south carolina put it in there. the same senator that thought that lynching was okay of black people, and we should exclude all asians from entering the country. that is the historical framework in which we must see section 1325. >> so castro wants to repeal it. then you heard him when he got into that back and forth with beto o'rourke. castro with a little shade saying, clearly, o'rourke didn't do his homework, do you think he didn't do his homework? >> look, i -- i think that julian castro did something very well. he wanted to make sure that, you know, it was a lot more o'rourke and a lot more beto coming from texas, he was the one that was
going to define the debate. it seems to me i was thinking about it. it's almost like i say, let's make sure we understand, beto o'rourke has a wonderful plan on racial reform, notwithstanding he doesn't want to repeal this section. i don't understand why he's quibbling about it. you would think he would embrace it, because it's almost like saying, well, i'm for everybody getting a college education, but you know, unless you haven't paid those overdue bills at your overdue library, for the book you took out when you were in high school. i mean, there isn't that big of a difference for me, and for those within the immigrant rights community. so i think -- when you talked about a knockout punch, it really was. what castro was able to do yesterday was bring such sincerity, such honesty to the debate. i felt, where is the moral outrage at seeing the death of
this father and his child. >> it was there, it was among several of the candidates, and the moderator himself. and on the note of spanish speaking, i wanted to ask you, because a number of candidates took the opportunity to speak directly to the spanish speaking voters. here's a sample p.m. [ speaking spanish ] >> this is how congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez reacted to that. >> i loved it, because it did. i represent the bronx. there was a lot of spanish in the building. i mean, i thought it was humorous sometimes, at times.
but it was good. i thought it was a good gesture to the fact that we are a diverse country. >> congressman, there's been this whole discussion in the wake of last night, one camp says this makes the latino community feel pandered too, but then the other says, no, they felt heard. where do you fall? >> they felt heard. let me put it to you this way, if i had spoken spanish and used some of the verbs and mispronunciations of the spanish language that some of the candidates had last night, i would probably be severely criticized. but when you're nonhispanic, and you try and you're giving it your all, and you're showing that you really -- here's how latinos respond. they listen to you, and what they say is, i'm going to listen to that candidate, because that candidate really cares.
let's remember that within the context of the campaign there will be tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars spent in the next presidential campaign on adds in spanish, in radio, tv, the internet, and there will be people on hispanic language tv from trump and the democratic party debating and discussing this issue, i would say that if you're in miami, l.a. new york, and sometimes even in chicago, the number one broadcast on the 10:00 news is in spanish, it's probably a smart idea to speak to the largest growing minority population, over 50 million strong, and studies have shown, from purely political point of view, studies have shown that between 35 and 40% of latino voters, we see most of their information in the spanish language when it comes to how they make a decision about a candidate and how they form their opinion. i think it was very good. and look, i know some people say
they were cringing because of some of the mispronunciations. >> they tried. >> they were saying, he tried. thank you. i give you credit for doing that. >> i'd be curious to see if anyone tries tonight. luis gutierrez, good to see you, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> the u.s. supreme court with the consequential decision on partisan jerry mannedering, what this could mean for your votes. and fired secretary of state rex tillerson, with a damning take on president trump's foreign policy. how he says jared kushner is going rogue. more on our breaking news. moderate democrats right now are trying to kill the house border bill. kill it. i'll talk to a congressman and current presidential candidate who will be up on that debate stage tonight.
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adding the question. president trump weighed in, he's asking his lawyers to "delay the census" quick fact check, it is in the u.s. constitution, article 1 section 2 that the census must take place every ten years. the other big decision today has major political implications for this country's elections. the justices will allow even the most severe gerrymandering to continue saying the constitution does not allow the courts to weigh-in on how voting maps are drawn. two topics we certainly can see confronted in night two of those debates. here he is, eric swalwell will be one of those candidates on that stage in a couple hours. welcome, sir.
what was your opinion when you heard this ruling? >> it's a set back for our democracy. the politician is always trying to protect themselves and their party. most states don't have independent commissions so you have partisan gerrymandering lines. in every state it's an independent commission. we need that passed in the senate and signed into law. otherwise, the voters continue to be silenced by incumbent politicians. >> what is the impact when people can draw all these lines all over the place, you know, across this country in terms of districts. what's the direct impact on the democratic party? >> gridlock in washington. so we're going to go crisis to crisis. but down the smackdown, the shutdown. the consensus people have on health care, client chaos,
student loans, outside of congress will not be reached inside, because the lines are rigged. and you get people who are -- their candidacies who are reinforced by the politicians that keep protecting them. this is going to take the senate to change it. >> your colleagues are trying to kill the border bill pushed by house speaker pelosi. what do you say to democrats who say just pass the senate bill? >> we have a crisis on our border, and we need to do all we can, first and foremost to end any private detention center to allow children to be reunited with their families or to live in homes of americans who have raised their hands and said, send them to me. also to have these cases adjudicated as quickly as pob. i'm supportive of that, and as president on day one i would end
this policy of separating children from their parents. >> i know you're on the record for supporting medicare for all, keeping a private option. we know how senator elizabeth warren feels, her support of ending it entirely, not having that option. do you think that is disqualifying to win a general election for her? >> what i will tell you is, the american people love choice. it's so -- >> congressman, answer the question. do you think it's disqualifying for her. >> it's not disqualifying, it's not what the american people are asking for. my wife and i fight insurance companies every day. we have a 2-year-old and an 8-month-old. i think this issue also requires the president to challenge us to find cures in our lifetime to invest public research dollars in genomics and research sharing. we're so gridlocked, budget to budget every 3 to 6 months,
we're not doing what we do best as americans. finding cures for al 1, parkins parkinsons. >> back to the point about, it wouldn't be disqualifying for her, do you think ending private insurance would make it harder to win a general election? >> yes, it is -- just flies in the face of the choices people want to have. you can have a government option. it's -- i'm not going to look a union member in the eye and say, i'm going to take away your private negotiated health care. >> another big issue that came up last night, you mentioned a second ago immigration. do you support decriminalizing crossing the border? >> yes. i was at the homestead facility earlier this week.
these are crimes against children. >> what is your strategy tonight. obviously the guy center stage is former vice president. he's the clear front-runner. he's -- will you go after his record this evening? >> my top priority as president is to end gun violence. we're just an hour south of parkland. i want to show boldness, i've taken on the nra, the russians and the trump campaign's connection to them. i've stood up to them, and i will stand up to donald trump to find the nominee, and i'll show an ability to take him to task and to beat him. not just to beat him, but to take our country to a place where we fulfill the promise of working hard and doing better. >> you have to win the primary first. with biden being the front-runner, will you take him on directly? >> i'm going to tell the country that we are at our best when we move in one direction, forward.
that we in our past, whether it was president's carter, clinton, obama or president kennedy in the past. there was always a page forward. the american people see these issues today as issues of the future, we can't have a candidate who has ideas that are stealer than donald trumps. >> so you think biden is the candidate of the past? >> i don't think we can nominate a candidate who has been in government for longer than 20 years. i don't think that's going to work. i think we need someone who's going to offer a vision for the future, who lives and gets these issues on student debt, gun violence, health care cures, climate chaos. we can't nibble around the edges any more, these are issues that will affect us. i'll be a president that will have to live with the decisions i made. i think that too has to be -- >> last question congressman. will you be practicing your spanish tonight? >> i'm going to be me. it's not going to include
butchering spanish, with great respect for our spanish listener audience. i'm going to be myself, i think that will be enough. >> okay. we'll look forward to seeing you and the rest of the folks on that stage. best of luck to you, congressman eric swalwell. appreciate it. we're getting a rare public look at the president's former campaign chairman as paul manafort appears in court. plus, secrets revealed, the transcript of fired secretary of state's interview with lawmakers was just released. he rips into jared kushner. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, ♪ ♪ indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea ♪ try new pepto liquicaps for fast relief and ultra-coating. ♪ nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea ♪
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president trump's former campaign chairman just pleaded not guilty to state fraud charges. according to his defense lawyer, manafort is fighting the charges on the grounds of tax fraud, bank fraud and foreign lobbying violations. >> it's been a little more than a month ago that rex tillerson quietly met with a top democrat and top republican on the house foreign affairs committee. cnn has just obtained a transcript showing what they talked about in a session that lasted nearly 7 hours. so we now know tillerson's relationship with president trump was challenging. at one point he repeatedly called mr. trump a moron in private. looking through this transcript
it seems his biggest trouble may have been with the president's son in law, jared kushner. he described to lawmakers about finding the mexican foreign minister out in washington having dinner with jared kushner. tillerson was the secretary of state, he didn't know the foreign minister was in town. tillerson saying, i don't want to interrupt what you all are doing, give me a call next time you're coming to 20u7b. that was a quote. >> fareed zakaria, just the point on jared kushner. what do you think of that in. >> well, he clearly still has enormous -- he wants to do, the president allows him to do. it's so unusual in the sense that president's use ats who they want to use.
franklin roosevelt, this guy, harry hopkins. henry kissinger was natural. he would do things without telling the state department, without telling the secretary of state. it makes policy making much messier, much more complicated. if you can pull it off, and if you can get success, sometimes that helps. so far, they haven't been many successes. the mexicans are such an imbalance of power. if you look at the trump -- sort of the unorthodoxed efforts the trump administration has had, whether directly or through the president, sort of maximum pressure and then hope for a deal, hasn't worked in north korea, hasn't worked so far in china, hasn't worked much with the europeans, hasn't really
worked with the canadians, the only case in which you can sort of make the case it worked is with the mexicans, i don't think that's jared kushner so much as i say, the mexicans are so much weaker than the u.s. they have to triumph. >> you just mentioned the ans r answer, when all those candidates were on stage last night. they were all asked this question, what they saw as the greatest global threat. here's what they said. >> the biggest geo political challenge is china. >> can i. >> the biggest geo political threat remains nuclear weapons. those are different questions. >> i totally get it. >> governor inslee. >> donald trump. >> congresswoman gabbard. >> the greatest geo political threat that we face is the fact that we're at a greater risk of nuclear war today than ever in
history. two threats, economic threat china, but our major threat is what's going on in the middle east with iran if we don't get -- >> try to keep it -- >> one or two works. >> climate change. we have to confront the it before it's too late. >> senator warren. >> climate change. >> nuclear proliferation and climate change. >> china and climate change. >> congressman ryan. >> china without a question, they're wiping us around the world economically. >> and mr. mayor? >> russia, because they're trying to undermine our democracy and they've been doing a pretty good job of it, we need to stop them. >> a lot of yes climate change, but also china, and my team and i were talking earlier remembering back to the debate in 2012. mitt romney said russia, he was criticized for it, to hear china last night says what to you? the democrats are going for the
easy answer, which is in some ways pandering frankly. everybody thinks china has been a trade sheet, i've written about that a lot. but china is not really a threat in the way that people think of. the first answer was china and nuclear weapons. let's keep in mind the united states has 6,000 warheads, do you know how many china, the second richest in the world has, 260. 6,800 to 260. they're not trying to build a kind of military capacity to threaten the united states. we have 11 aircraft carriers, they have one. china is an economic competitor, but that's very different. and i think it's important for us to understand we can't use 20th century categories for 21st century problems. it felt like the democrats were going for easy answers. climate change is the politically correct thing to say. all of them said it's an existential threat. what are you going to do about it, if it really is an
existential threat, the survival of the planet. how come you're not willing to talk about a one scent gas tax or whatever it would take to actually do something to combat it. china is an easy one. this is 1.4 billion people, the second richest country in the world, do we really want to end up in a world where these two countries are at loggerheads with each other all over the world on every issue? >> sure. fareed, thank you very much. we watch fareed here sunday mornings at 10:00 a.m. the ratings are in, by the way. they are much better than expected. how many people -- how many of you did democrats reach with their 2020 message last night and who? and a new twist in the public feud between the u.s. women's soccer team and the president of the united states just a day
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>> typically a democratic debate in a normal news cycle we will be expecting 10 million viewers. nbc was hoping for 10 million last night. 15 million blows the roof off the expectations. this was on three networks. but what this shows is intense interest in in the democratic debate. there was one higher, slightly of the 2016 cycle, it was hillary clinton/bernie sanders. after you get past that debate, you can see 10 million. sometimes a lot lower than that. we're seeing a super charged amount of interest and enthusiasm for the democratic primary process very early on. that's great news for the candidates on stage last night. may not be good news for donald trump.
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megan rapino is not backing down in her war of words. she doesn't want to visit the fing white house which sparked a response from the president. today she spoke out again in france at a world cup news conference. >> i stand by the comments i made about not wanting to go to the white house with the exception of the expletive, my
mom will be very upset about that. i think entering with a lot of passion, considering how much time and pride we take in the platform we have, and using it for good, and for leaving the game and for a better place, and hopefully the world in a better place, i don't think i would want to go and i would encourage my teammates to think hard about lending that platform or having that co opted by an administration that doesn't feel the same way. >> we'll suppor megan, she knows that, we know we have each other's backs in there. >> the author of one goal. a coach, a team and a game that broad a divide d world together. >> it's a pleasure to have you on. why does she piss him offso much. >> she's outspoken and she got under his skin. and she's not doing what everyone thinks he should do.
she's being a political athlete. he's made clear he doesn't believe athletes should be political. she's using the platform she built, and she's using it to state the things she believes in. athletes don't stop being who they are when they walk on to the pitch or the track, they have beliefs, passions and she's expressing hers and he doesn't like that. >> you make this point further in your piece about these women are such badasses. >> yes, i said that. >> they just can't seem to win. they score too much. they didn't score enough, they talked too much, they don't leave. they're too dom fan the. they don't create enough revenue. they need to remember they are role models. why do you think that is, and how do we change that? >> i think changing that is a battle that women face every day in this country and in others. the constant balance of not being too much, but being enough within this moment, so we get to
see, they score too much against tie land, they barely beat spain. you're wining about your lawsuit, you're representing your country. women can't win when they win. i don't think that's just about soccer, that's something to explore at large in terms of american society. >> i love how they're leaning on each other and they have each other's backs in this massive fight they're in the middle of. >> we have new details on joe biden's strategy tonight in round two of the democratic gee baits. t-mobile. customer care from real people. a dedicated team to support you. and here's another reason to join. bring in your discount, and we'll match it. that's right. t-mobile will match your discount.
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we're back, you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a little over two months ago, joe biden jumped on to the 2020 stage. tonight the former vice president has to prove he's in touch with the soul of the democratic party. he will get the chance this evening in miami. when he goes head to head with kamala harris and pete buttigieg. arlette steins is with joe biden. he is the front-runner, but because of that, he's got a target on his back. >> his campaign knows the spotlight is going to shine a lot brighter on joe biden than it has before. compared to his previous debates. they are aware that there may be attacks coming from his rivals. one thing that a campaign official noted, it's up to the other candidates whether or