tv Inside Politics CNN July 17, 2019 9:00am-10:00am PDT
welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. together yesterday, divided today. house democrats are unanimous in condemning president trump's racist attack on four minority women but there's a big split in the democratic caucus today as one member forces a vote on an impeachment resolution. stoking resentment over race and immigration. big reasons republicans got crushed in the 2018 midterms, especially among suburban women. why does he think it's the recipe for re-election success
come 2020? house debate over the president's racest tweets was fiercely partisan and unruly, the congressman presiding over the debate got up and walked away. >> frankly, i was embarrassed to remain as the chair, presiding over what should have been a very shameful moment for all of u us. >> can i make a point of order? >> in fairness it's not enough. we want to just fight. i abandon the chair. i don't know if anybody can look at what's going on here on capitol hill and think that it's okay and think that it's the normal way in which legislatures conduct themselves. >> we begin this hour with the day after that debate yesterday and a new push to impeach the president of the united states. a push that divides house democrats just one day after
they unanimously rebuked the president for racist tweets. congressman al green telling cnn earlier today he expects a vote on the floor today. later today, after he introduced an impeachment resolution last night. congressman green saying it's time to, quote, punish the presiden president. >> we should go forward as expeditiously as possible. yesterday we convicted the president. it's a bifurcated process. the condemnation was a conviction. today we have the opportunity to punish. >> a lot of your colleagues say why not wait until after the mueller hearing? >> you don't delay justice. mueller hearing has nothing to do with what we're doing now. it's all about obstruction. this is about bigotry and racism. >> house speaker nancy pelosi telling cnn today she does not support green's move but congressman green sees a new opening, hoping the pro impeachment voices in the democratic caucus are more willing to defy the speaker a day after that house vote to
condemn racist language from the president. cnn's manu raju live on capitol hill. great conversation with congressman green. the speaker says the condemnation resolution is enough for now. congressman green wants more. who has the votes? >> she has the votes, john. it's only a matter of time before that becomes clear. i had a chance this morning to talk to a number of house democrats who actually support moving forward with an impeachment inquiry. they believe that al green's move is premature. they believe any impeachment proceedings need to occur on the basis of obstruction of justice, laid out in the mueller report. what al green is doing is nothing to do with the mueller report. he's accusing the president of racism. he says through his actions it shows he's unfit for office, high crimes and misdemeanor standard that would allow the house to essentially impeach the president. of course, the senate would have to convict in order to remove the president from office, but a number of democrats simply do not agree with these tactics.
under the rules, john, al green can force a vote within two legislative days on this impeachment, articles of impeachment. that means a vote is expected to happen as soon as today. democratic leaders have a choice. they can send this back to the house judiciary committee for further deliberations, essentially stalling the matter, or kill it all together on the floor. either way they'll put democrats on record. that could put ones in a tricky spot, tuckly ones who want to begin impeachment proceedings. >> we'll hear from speaker pelosi next hour and watch as the strategy plays out. manu raju, appreciate that. heather kagle with politico. and jackie kosinich with the daily beast. just a thought. if you're the democrats and thought it was very important to condemn the president's racist tweets and you're unanimous in doing so, can't you have 24 hours to focus on that?
>> when al green was on the hill -- excuse me, on the floor, introducing the articles of impeachment, saying that he was going to do this. so i think a lot of democratic leaders are asking this because immediately it gave republicans something else to talk about, to direct conversation elsewhere, not from what the president tweeted and not from his racist remarks but now on to this impeachment push which it has been working, frankly, politically, for republicans. >> in some ways, this is a win for democratic leadership. if al green was going to do this, they would rather he do it this week rather than next week after mueller testifies, if mueller has some bombshell that makes a bunch of democrats come out for impeachment. yesterday after he told everyone his plans, we were in a gaggle with him. he took a phone call. we looked down and it was senior leadership staffer. i think they were basically like
if, you're going to do this, let's try to get the painful vote over. >> that's assuming nobody else tries it after mueller, i guess. >> that's true. absolutely. >> the president's tweets against the four members of the so-called squad were racist. the back home part is a racist siren. anyone who wants to think otherwise, sorry. look at your history books. now they move on to impeachment. this from "the washington post." enough of a political pragmatist to believe that you call votes when you think can you win them norkts when you think you can lose them. jeff van drew, i don't think we're there yet. i don't think it's healthy. from illinois, cheri bustos, i can't control what another member does. people trying to elevate the four members of the squad as sort of the tail pull in the dog of the democratic party. any member can do this. it's a question for me, is there
no discipline on a strategy of let's stay where we want to stay? >> remember, you're giving this -- you're having the specter of this vote and, again, sorry to say but the democrats in disarray narrative as the president is about to go to north carolina. he has a big political rally scheduled for tonight. today was supposed to be the day that mueller was going to testify. we assumed he would have talked about that. now the president has this to latch on to, which has been one of the parts of the political problem for democrats for some time. nancy pelosi has acknowledged privately that she and other democrats acknowledge that this could be handing president trump a political gift. that's part of the reason why it has been difficult for democratic leaders for so long. >> this plays into one of the president's strategies, looking to 2020, is to paint the democrats as extreme, as out of touch. and that's been true with this and with these tweets about the four congresswomen. and part of that is based on this idea that in these more moderate states, they'll be
closely fought in michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin, that this message could resonate, that he might keep his message very much the same and really work -- as 2016 and work on casting this as an out of touch extremist part. >> let's play the contrarian role. say it doesn't pass. the president runs around the country saying the democrats are hell bent on impeaching me. couldn't the democrats say no, we had a vote and didn't impeach you. we let them speak up and don't tweet them into being afraid of speaking. so-called members of the squad, congresswoman omar, pressley, tlaib and ocasio-cortez did an interview and said we're new here. we're not going to sit if someone says wait, learn in washington, study the rule book. no. >> the entire freshman class, i would argue, regardless of
ideology, was sent here because americans are sick of how washington works. so, why would i learn a broken playbook? >> and we are in destruction to business as usual that's been washington, right? we were elected for that purpose. >> there's no insurgency, there's nothing conspiratorial. >> we were elected to kick washington in the you know what, that's what president trump says. >> and the tea party. >> right. >> tea party congressmen came in and they were going to break the system. and for a while there, they did. they kind of took over the party from the bottom up. and it remains to be seen if that's what's happening here. i'm sure republicans want you to believe that, that the more liberal members are going to
take over. >> "new york times," telling her there's still four votes. there is a traditional way to do things. >> in the old days, democrats and republicans, nothing came to the floor unless you knew what was going to happen. things were cooked in committee. things were cooked in private negotiations. their point is -- you see it with congressman green on the floor. why can't we just have votes? if we have ideas, let's have votes. this is, again, more of the conversation. we were talking about the tension between speaker pelosi and these four new members. they say yeah, sure there's tension, but so what? it's no big deal. >> i don't feel a fracture. >> yeah, i don't. i don't. just as there are members who challenge her conclusions, who
disagree with her. >> sit down with her at any moment any time with any of us. she's speaker of the house. she can ask for a meeting to sit down with us for clarification. >> word today there are plans in the works to schedule speaker pelosi, congressman ocasio-cortez one on one. some people might be saying doesn't she meet with them all the time? they tend to meet around big legislation, around big issues. but their bigger point is, yeah, we're vocal, we have opinions. we're not going to be silenced. that doesn't mean that the democratic party is falling apart f you listen to the republican narrative, these four women have taken the party hostage and they're in charge. what he the truth? >> for fell owpelosi and her al what happened and what was said is a big deal. the cbc coming out, taking on aoc's chief of staff and taking
on aoc's comments that pelosi is singling out people of color. speaker pell osy is not used to people within her caucus criticizing her so vocally, and especially ones with such a big social media following. and i don't think she knows what to do with that. that's a continuing theme we'll see playing out. >> your point about republicans is actually interesting as well, because after you get over the initial kind of stunner of the racist comments on sunday, you have seen his campaign, his a y allies on capitol hill trying to shift the conversation back to what they said the president meant to say, which is that these women are the faces of socialism. that's the campaign we're going to run on. that's what the republican campaign committee for the senate side, house side and president's re-elect is going to focus on. they say look, we've learned kind of not to take him literally. this is what he was trying to do. he was trying to say -- he was trying to unify the democratic party behind these four women who they believe does not represent what the country
stands for. >> when the president tells four minority women to go back, we need to take him literally. there may be times that the president speaks a different language but some pieces of language, sorry, republicans trying to hide from that, run and hide all you want. the president said go back, to four women of color. pretty clear what he was saying. more about the president's racist tweets. do they matter to female voters come election 2020? calling all crab fans! crabfest is back at red lobster with 9 craveable crab creations. from the new ultimate crabfest trio with three kinds of wild-caught crab to the return of crab lover's dream! grab your crab crew, hurry in or order it to go! and i don't add trup the years.s. but what i do count on... is boost® delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. boost® high protein. be up for life. i switched to geico and saved hundreds.
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that only four house democrats voted to condemn the president's racist tweets and words leaves no doubt about the party takeover. but not challenging the president's words doesn't mean republicans aren't worried about it. forget the tweets. remember the unemployment rate or maybe your 401(k) balance. >> the president has delivered. i mean, he made promises on the campaign trail. now he can go back to women voters, male voters, voters of every ethnicity and say i ran on these things and guess what, your unemployment for women is at a 60-year low. for hispanics and african-americans it's at an all-time low. american voters across the country, they're interested on the policy and how it's effecting their lives. >> in 2018, they weren't. the unemployment was low in 2018 and suburban women said sorry, mr. president, i can't take
this. i don't like the tweet, the tone, i don't like the us against them. we'll see him on the stage tonight in north carolina, right? he is convinced with him on the ticket, that makes it different. is there reason to believe that? >> that's his argument and what you're hearing around him. he does motivate in ways that are unique and i would argue that would have been the same with president obama as well. a specific coalition showed up just for them. i was at a trump campaign event for women in the philadelphia suburbs yesterday and there was a lot of enthusiasm there. obviously, these were die-hard supporters and the message was very much what we heard from the party chairwoman, think about your pocketbook. think about your family. think about your economic situation. sure, we would all maybe like him to tweet less sometimes. but that's not what we should focus on. i went and talk ed to voters
around the area, not just at the event. i did -- i have to say, as i think we've seen a lot with this president, a lot of people i talked to seemed fairly locked in on one side or another. if you were a supporter of him, you were going to look past all this stuff. people talked about 401(k)s, being able to retire. if you disliked him, this was just another piece of kindling. i'll keep reporting back but i didn't find tons of people saying this was a turning point. >> the trump campaign firmly believes there aren't that many persuadables out there. 90, if not 95 of them out of 100 have already decided. to your point, this is cnn's randi kaye. >> he was saying if they hate america so much because of what we're seeing and hearing out of them, they hate america. if it's so bad, there's a lot of places they can go. >> i'm a brown-skinned woman. i am a legal immigrant.
i agree with him. >> you don't think that's race toist say that? >> actually, i think it's a demonstration of how their ideology spills over, even though they're american now, they're not acting american. >> proof there, his base is loyal. his base is loyal. i want to show some numbers. if you look at the 2016 vote for trump, 2018 vote for congress, these are not huge drops but the president just won. the president narrowly won. lost the popular vote, narrowly won an electoral college victory. down among white women, down though not significant, down among white noncollege women, down among white college women, independent women. can he improve those numbers going into 2020 where we expect another very competitive
contest? >> i think it's an open question. i would like to point out which republicans voted for the democratic resolution yesterday. will hurd from a marginal district in texas, fred upton, who had a strong challenge in 2018, congressman fitzpatrick, who is in pennsylvania, and there aren't a lot of moderates anymore, because they're all gone. they're all replaced by democrats and susan brooks, who is retiring, from indiana, who was a surprise that she was stepping aside. so if you have moderates that are that careful, that are going to throw their lot with the democr democrats, there's something out there. and it's going to be in places like michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. it's going to be an uphill battle for him. >> right. >> interesting point for me. i want your perspective, especially those of you who get out of washington more than me. trump has an enormous advantage. even if you're a trump all i and you don't like these racist tweet tweets, he doesn't have a serious primary challenge right now. democrats are fighting over every nuance and semi colon
policy. 31% of their money on immigration, 17% of it talking about fake news. 0 on health care. 7% economy, 6% on mueller. 31% immigration tells you they believe the ground on which he ran in 2016 is the ground on which he's going to run on 2020. it's not just that they're spending the money now, they can watch the interaction, the commentary. they can watch what people on their list and people on their potential list are doing so they can, every day, test the 2020 general election out there in the digital space while the democrats are at war with each other. that is an enormous advantage. >> and combined with just the massive fund-raising numbers that the campaign and rnc have been able to raise because they don't have the distractions of a primary challenge and whatnot. it's clearly one of the messages that propelled them in 2016. it's something that hurt republicans in 2018, if you talk to republican house strategists. every time after the president
talked about the caravan or other issues, you look at the numbers in these suburban districts like outside texas and whatnot, they dropped precipitously. the trump campaign better hope that the immigration message is more 2016 than 2018. but the overall point as well, that's why when you hear chatter from the campaign saying we might expand oregon, new mexico, other bluer states, you know that they are really doubling down on their base strategy. >> and also the -- sorry. with the numbers of women, i think part of the issue is they're going to focus heavily on getting their base out. given that it could be a very tight election, they are going to try and juice the margins. latino coalition. they'll likely do other pushes. they know they can edge those numbers a little bit. >> margins being the key word. >> yeah. >> if you can inch your numbers up a little among latinos,
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next, democratic presidential debates right here on cnn, just two weeks away, while 24 democrats are still in the running, only 20 likely to make the cut. we're getting a sense of who most likely will be on the stage over the next two nights, we think it will be these 20. these 20 appear to have met the new criteria. the new face? steve bullock. mon tonia governor did not make the first round of debates. eric swalwell has left the race. joe biden has a lot to prove in debates round two. he struggled a bit in debates round one. we don't know the breakdown, which ten will be on stage the first night, which ten will be
on stage the second night. we look at the 20 here, the race is changing. in part because of the first round of debates. here is more proof. this is the california poll by quinnipiac. kamala harris now in first place, statistical tie with former vice president joe biden, but biden down in yet another poll. the former front running down in the pack, if you will. senator sanders, senator warren, mayor pete and andrew yang. kamala harris has an opening here, on the attack against biden in debate number one. expect health care to be a flash point in tee baits number two. biden says i want to preserve obamacare. those, like kamala harris, who are for medicare for all, would do away with it. she says that's not so. >> joe biden says this is what you were suggesting, an elimination of obamacare. is that accurate? >> it's absolutely not. on the debate stage i'm the only one who went to court to fight
to keep in place all the benefits of obamacare. like president obama himself has said, he used the analogy of it being like a starter home. >> so, it is moving on from obamacare? >> and making improvements on it. >> i want to go back to senator harris on health care in a moment. i want to talk about the biden dynamic. every poll we look at since the first debate, he is down. not just in the horse race numbers but when you look into the weeds who is most impressed, who are you looking at, who are you not going to vote for, his numbers are worse in every poll you look at. why? >> probably a couple of things that these other candidates are -- the electorate is starting to get to know them. a lot of them weren't national household names and biden's debate performance hurt him. he didn't look as quick on his feet. he didn't have the response to harris. and, you know, not only that, some of the things he said on the stump. it's probably a little bit of
both. >> he has come under scrutiny a lot by his democratic challengers, he hasn't been very sharp in his response, particularly in the debate. he cut himself off when he was trying to respond to kamala harris, which i don't think was his best moment. got really testy with senator cory booker, when he called him to apologize and he also took some time. i bleefb it was 18 or 19 days, to apologize for his comments on working well with senators. he hasn't been able to respond as well as with a lot of -- >> i've been around a while. it's my turn argument doesn't work in democratic primaries like it used to work and didn't work in the 2016 primary, mind you. i don't think it works at all. sometimes he seems like he's bob dole, saying it's my turn. ask hillary clinton 2007 and 2008 and almost 2016 when senator sanders came a lot closer than anybody thought he could. >> people didn't like that sense from hillary clinton in '08, in '16. when you're in these early
states, i've been in iowa recently, those voters want to kick the tires of all these candidates. they don't like the idea of any kind of coronation. and there has been a gap in his campaigning and his political career. some voters raise that question, he has been out of this for a while. political styles have changed, campaign styles have changed. you're seeing some of his attempts to adjust to that. >> in round two he hopes to flag barack and i passed obama care. we're going to defend it. i want to have a buy-in option. if you want to buy into medicare you can have that option but not medicare for all. let's fix what we've got, not a sweeping change. senator harris said if you're for medicare for all, does that mean bye-bye to all private insurance? does that mean a significant retreat? her answers over the weeks and months have been a little different. >> the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care.
and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company. let's eliminate all of that. let's move on. >> who here would abolish health care insurance in favor for a government-run plan? >> do you believe private insurance should be eliminated in this country? >> no. >> you don't? >> i do not. >> what's the exact role of private insurance? >> to cover what is otherwise not covered. >> that includes what? >> very little. almost everything will be covered. >> now you have it. but it covers very little. if you go back to january with jake tapper, it was let's eliminate all of that. what is it? >> with her, we see her fighting on two fronts. she's fighting biden. she continues to rise in the polls, had this moment against him. does she want to be not as moderate as he is, but somewhere in that area but she's also fighting bernie sanders. they keep trying to outpurify each other. we see these mixed, muddled answers. do voters know what her plan is
on health care? >> is it on purpose? is it a strategic decision to say in the muddle or is it that she doesn't have an answer? it's incredibly complicated and she said in the interview that the transition period might be longer than bernie sanders envisions in his because it's complicated. >> that's the constant struggle for a lot of these democratic candidates, particularly ones who are trying to hue to the left to win the support of the primary voters. it's unclear whether it's a deliberate campaign strategy on the part of kamala harris on the health care question when there's clearly such a divide in the democratic party over what parts to pursue. i think, you know, senator harris, i think, has definitely shown her talent in the debates when she's asking questions of trump nominees. with the health care question you see how she struggles to answer them sometimes. >> one more point to make as we get ready for debates, senator sanders has a lot to prove. senator biden, senator sanders,
the polling has not been good for you in recent weeks. sanders' website, who said it quiz? joe biden attacking medicare for all. lies straight out of the playbook of donald trump. he has a who said it, did drch say it, did others say it? getting aggressive, shall we say? >> remember me, guys. sanders is struggling a little bit. last time around he was a breakout star in a tiny primary field and this time around he's in a huge primary field. a lot of other people and they, perhaps, should credit him some, but they're treading the same water. if you are a progressive, you know, early state voter, you have a lot of options this time. and that makes it more complicated for him. >> both from a policy and personality perspective, it's fascinating. two weeks from today we get to have the debates play out yet again. before the break, senators working on a milestone on capitol hill. vermont senator patrick leahy, casting his 16,000th vote in the
united states senate today, only the fourth srnt in history to achieve that feat. mitch mcconnell congratulating his colleague moments ago. >> i speak for all of us when i offer congratulations to our good friend from vermont on this historic milestone. >> it is a privilege to be in this body, a body which has been, at times, and can be and should be, the conscience of the nation. i would urge my friends on both sides of the aisle to continue to work together. [ alarm beeping ]
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investigative journalism group released nearly 1,000 group text messages in which the governor and others in his administrati administration, the governor not denying it says let's move on. >> translator: my responsibility is to continue working and provide you with these results. one will always face different challenges. this is a big challenge but at the same time we must fulfill our objectives. >> the trump administration's role in hush monies to keep women private over alleged affairs with the president is over. no trump organization executives are expected to be charged in
that review. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. one of four republicans in the district who have entered the race. the democratic incumbent has become a distraction, neglecting her home community. >> your representative in washington chooses self promotion over service, conflict over constituent, resistance over assistance. queens and the bronx need someone who will create jobs instead of turning them away. >> secretary of state mike pompeo making more time for media outlets back home in kansas, over speculation he might run for senate there in 2020. he isn't actively pursuing that but won't rule it out. >> nothing can sway that either way, nothing at all? >> i would never have dreamed i would have been a secretary of state the year before i became,
director of the cia a year before that. i always leave open the possibility that something will change and my path in life will change, too. my vision is really very clear. >> smart enough man to know what that does. either say no, no, no, no, or who knows, and that means maybe. >> cracking open the door a little bit. you can see them yank it open because chris kovak is now in the race and one reason that kansas has a democratic governor is because he was the republican nominee. republicans are concerned about that race privately even though pompeo seemed to rule it out earlier this year, was more definitive than he was in that interview just now, they still think they have a shot. >> the arc went from no to, who knows?
>> that also has changed since pompeo's last maybe interview. >> the question is, can pompeo give up everything he has right now? >> exactly. >> running a senate campaign, it's a lot of work to go back to kansas and do a lot of chicken dinners. >> most of the time senators go to the senate to the secretary of state not the other way around. >> going back to capitol hill. we shall see. remembered today for his life of service, and love of bow ties. >> want me to tell you the truth? the truth is that i can't tie a forehand. the small part gets around in front all the time. i never had any trouble with the bow tie. i tied it ever since my dad taught me how when i was a kid. of course, i've heard people say you can't spill things on it. instead of spilling it on the
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guardian of the rule of law. >> he was just on a book tour for his third book and he felt like it was important to constantly be reiterating his dissenting opinions so that they would get out into the public atmosphere and perhaps be picked up. you know, john, he really does envision the notion that supreme court justices don't hue to the interest of the men who appoint them, which is sort of a quaint notion today. republican appointee who becomes the leader of the left and very outspoken to the end, even about president trump. >> to that point, tim, anthony kennedy gets most of the media attention or did get most of the media attention because appointed by reagan, and was the leading voice on abortion rights, gay rights and the like but john paul stevens right there with him. >> to the end of his days, john paul stevens wrote that he didn't think his judicial philosophy had changed. the facts of the cases changed and the country changed.
more importantly, the court changed. he didn't feel -- he didn't like to be called a liberal member of the court. he felt that the court had gone far to the right. he was pretty consistent in the way he viewed many, many issues. where he did change, he was quite straightforward. his views on capitol punishment changed. when he entered the court, he was for capitol punishment. by the end of his time on the court he felt that was a mistake, that it was wrong to be in favor of capital punishment. for the most part, he focused on issues the same way. he was very interested in the 14th amendment and due process. he viewed the concept of liberty as providing many of the guarantees that americans have come to enjoy. he believed, for example -- his reasoning behind believing that abortion should be legal, though he didn't actually -- wasn't on the court for roe v. wade but for casey, was that it was a matter of liberty. he was a pioneer in thinking about same-sex marriage. he wasn't there for those cases.
he laid the groundwork for windsor by saying, look, the issue here is just because the country at one point thought something was immoral, as the country changes, the court must change with it. he said otherwise the law of the land in this country and there's no reason it's immoral. he felt he was true to his philosophy throughout his career, though he changed his mind on certain issues. and, by the way, isn't that what you want from a judge? you want someone to have the judicial temperament but also the mind and ability to absorb new data and think in new ways. >> that's what i think we want. i'm not sure that's what nrkts modern day, we're going to get. we shall see. tim and joan, thank you for coming in. thank you for joining "inside politics" today. speaker pelosi's news conference about to begin shortly.
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