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just crazy developments there, barbie, thank you very much for all of that reporting. back here in detroit, we are just hours away from the big debate. "new day" continues right now. the stage is set for cnn's first night of democratic presidential debates. >> you'll see moderate candidates try and push back on the tone of the first debate. >> we have a choice. we can turn off the middle of the country and give the election to trump or we can run on common sense solutions. >> president trump expanding his attacks against cummings. >> he's not mature enough to take criticism. he reacts, he's thin skinned. >> i don't think he pulls punches on anybody. >> no matter what the color of your skin. >> this certainly is a terrible long-term strategy. >> we need heelers to lead us, not people who bring out the worst in each other. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota, and john berman. >> all right. everyone, welcome to our viewers in the united states, and around the world. this is "new day." john and i are live in detroit
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where in just hours the stage at the box theater will be filled with democratic presidential candidates. there it is, in all of its splendor. this is the first of two high stakes cnn debates that could shape the 2020 race. so tonight, all eyes will be on senators elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. they're the two biggest progressives and they have mostly avoided any direct confrontations thus far in this campaign. what will their dynamic be tonight, and there's all sorts of other people to watch as well. tomorrow night we'll feature a rematch between the front runner, former vice president joe biden and senator kamala harris who you'll remember skewered by issues of race and bussing the first time around. >> there's a brand new poll which gives us a sense of where things stand on the eve or the morning of this debate. it shows the former vice president joe biden bouncing back to where he was before the first debate. you can hear, we have campaign supporters behind us right now cheering that news in that poll.
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you know, joe biden's nearly 20 points ahead of elizabeth warren, his nearest competitor, and you can also see senator kamala harris who had jumped up after the first debate sliding a little bit, and bernie sanders is back at 11% as well. so let us talk about what we are going to see tonight. joining us, democratic strategist and cnn political commentator. michael smerconish, host of cnn's smerconish, and jennifer sake. madame and chairwoman, i think we're your guest. you're the only one who got a cheer. >> massive shout out from the crowd. >> wow. >> one of the things people are talking about in this debate is we could see a divide between the so called progressives, elizabeth war skpn bernie sanders -- elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, is that a choice and what will you be watching. >> plenty of choice. there's something for everyone, which is great, but i will tell you this, at the end of this,
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which every one of these 20 plus people as our nominee is going to be the next president of the united states, and that's what's important. great conversations tonight. let's talk about the issues that matter to the people of michigan and the people of this country, and we'll pick one. >> the chairwoman's optimism is not felt in all corners necessarily of the democratic party because there is this, i don't know if divide the word but there's a lot to be sorted out on the democratic side, so what are you watching for tonight? >> well, i don't know that the divide tonight will be ideological. i don't believe that bernie and elizabeth go after each other. i think the divide is more those who are likely or certain to be in the next debate, and those who are really really on the ball, janis joplin, my fellow texan, freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. if you're beto, they're at risk to not making it to the next debate. they're the ones that are going to throw deep, and the new
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entrance, steve bullock, the governor of montana, the person running that has carried a state that trump won. >> by 20 points. >> and he's won montana three times. those three i'm going to look for. they've got to do something big or they're not going to make it to the next debate. >> there is a choice that these democrats have, and i think elizabeth warren may be faced with one of the bigger choices here, she is standing next to bernie sanders, they are seen as competing for some of the same voters. does she try to create some differentiation with senator sanders or focus on joe biden or do a different thing. >> they are friends as they have both said. they're running for the same job. they're not running to be co-president. i don't expect them to go after each other, they will look for ways to draw contrast. elizabeth warren has said she's for capitalism, for making capitalism work better. she has rejected democratic socialism as a label, so there
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are some differences between them. on the bernie sanders, he's come out and kind of indicated i'm really the only medicare for all purist out there, so while they're not going to go after each other, i do think they will find ways to draw a contrast, and they probably need to. for warren, she's been steadily rising. she hasn't built her rise in the presidential race on big moments, so she needs to probably less than bernie, but i'll be watching for contrast between the two. >> michael smerconish, what are you looking for tonight? >> can i go back to that quinnipiac survey who showed a significant gain by vice president biden. nothing has transpired in the last 30 days, no milestone that would explain that. my explanation is the worst, the behavior on the part of the president, the higher biden's numbers are driven, democrats get so worked up, we have to take this guy out, who among us can do that. the more tweeting and commentary
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about baltimore, et cetera, oddly, i think helps joe biden. a challenge for everybody else on the stage is to show convey that they are an individual who can defeat donald trump. >> what does that mean for joe biden, then? of course that's tomorrow night, not tonight. if in fact, what you are saying is true, how does he approach the night? because he's been, his campaign at least has been critical of senator harris. >> right. defensively because i don't think that the incoming tomorrow night is going to necessarily going to be from cory booker and kamala harris, i think it's on the fringes. i think if i'm kirsten gillibrand, you got to throw deep or you're going home, this will be the last time you're on the debate stage. >> if just by standing still, joe biden's numbers can go up because of the president, if michael's theory holds true, maybe joe biden doesn't need a knock out punch or anything tomorrow night. >> if i'm working for joe, i don't like seeing the poll before the debate. you don't want to become risk averse. don't make a gaffe. a lead is not an egg.
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you don't sit on it and hope it hatches. you want to be moving forward, and by the way, for joe, his opponent is not kamala harris. they don't say we need somebody who can beat kamala harris. it's joe biden. remember joe said about rudy giuliani, his idea of a sense is a noun or verb in 9/11, every seasons has to be a noun, a verb and donald trump. if i'm working for joe. >> madame chairwoman. tell us about michigan. it's an interesting state because in 2016, donald trump won it. no republican had won it in a long time, but he won it in two ways, as far as i see it. huge under vote, some 70,000 fewer voters that came out for barack obama, largely seen as liberal african-american voters didn't show up, and he won counties that barack obama had won, mccomb county, and some of the swing counties. how do you win both, and which do you see as a bigger issue? >> i tell people all the time, we have to walk and chew gum at the same time, we have to do
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both. we have to get back into detroit, our urban areas where we are now. we have staff on the ground, working, talking to voters, we have to do that work, and we've got to go to those communities outside the city of detroit in the suburbs and talk to them about the issues that matter to them. and those are the issues everybody cares about. why do we have to have two and three jobs to pay for our food and get our medicine. why can't we count on having our health care that we thought we had when we had president obama, and we have communities here who don't have clean water to drink. as long as we're talking about those issues in all of these communities, we win them all. >> i don't know if those are the breakout moments that get translated into a sound bite and get a lot of play on cable news, and that's no denigration of cable news. the debate is different, you know, the format of a debate is different than a substantiative conversation about how to fix all of these things, and so for the candidates who are going for broke as paul just said, what do they need to do?
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>> i think there's a lesson from what kamala harris did in the first debate, and it's not the one you think. it's not about attacking somebody. it's about introducing who you are and your biography, and why people should support you. after that debate, people went and googled kamala harris, they wanted to know more about her, heard about her background, her upbringing, why she would fight for people, and that's a lesson not just for fringe candidates on the side but also for the ones in the middle. why if you're mayor pete, and beto o'rourke, i watched mayor pete emphasize his military, the endorsement my patrick murphy. did stories about his service in afghanistan, he has a new line of attack on trump. he's trying to introduce his biography, that's smart and i think other candidates should be doing too. >> he's running on a different time line because of the money. he's raised enough money where he doesn't have to make a decision in the next month or six weeks. if we can put up michael, since
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you brought up the quinnipiac poll, and general used the word fringe candidate, which i don't think any of us want to use. >> fringe as in the side of the stage, people are struggling with how to refer to the 19 candidates who aren't at 2% in the polls, here, michael. there are a lot of people. we talk about this being the biggest field ever, but the voters don't seem to be looking at it that way. >> there's a cross tab in the numbers that's not on the screen but 51% of democrats say they regard joe biden as the strongest challenger for president trump, and that's why i go back to the thought process that the president's behavior has been all over the map. biden hasn't done anything to distinguish himself. it hasn't been a monumental series of events, his numbers go up. i think it's because democrats say we need to defeat him. ho among us can do it, it's joe biden. other candidates have to convince they have the stature
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to take on the president. >> how much do you think race comes up tonight? >> i think it comes up. we're in the city of detroit. i think we should be talking about race. the president continues to hate and be a racist frankly over and over again. i think it needs to come up. i think we need to talk about an urban agenda that will include a conversation with race. absolutely i think it will come up. >> a lot of times in this race, and it happened four years ago too. bernie sanders is taken for granted, largely because he's consistent in the sense that he says the same thing and has said the same thing for a number of years. what does he do tonight? how do you think he approaches this? how do you think he approaches elizabeth warren? >> it's really difficult. he's in a bit of a stall. he's a legacy brand. he and joe biden are the only two of the 58 candidates who have run for president before and they're known brands. they're what hollywood calls a pre-aware title. that's why we have avengers 38. if i'm advising bernie, though joe is not on the stage with
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him, i would attack joe because he's the establishment candidate. bernie did so well. he lost but he did really well having hillary as a foil last time around. he had one establishment candidate and he just shoot at the death star, now he seems like he's losing some altitude. i would go after joe biden, though he's not there to defend himself, kind of unfair, but politics is not fair. >> if you want a democratic who has a proven track record of winning in a democratic state, steve bullock is going to be on the stage tonight. does he need to introduce himself as jen said or do not a stunt but something a little bit more flashy, michael. >> i think he absolutely needs to introduce himself, can't take for granted frankly anybody who's watching is aware of who he is, that's not a rap on him, just a reality that most of those in the center part of the stage as you look at the graph, those are the ones who are known, and those on the fringe are now on the cusp of going home, even though it's his first visit here.
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we know the stakes, the requirements for coming back in september have essentially doubled, a 2% showing in the poll. that might not sound like much but it's a monumental hurdle for most of them. >> you can still stay in the race, you just won't be in the debate. if somehow you have a lot of cash, you can stay in. >> tom steyer spending a million dollars in social media trying to get people to donate because he runs the risk of never entering the debate stage unless he can reach the threshold. >> i'm old enough to remember, jen, when beto o'rourke had a big splash when he entered the campaign. things have not gone perhaps as planned. actually maybe the problem was there was no plan. what does he do tonight? >> i think for beto, and mayor pete buttigieg, they are trying to run on this generational change theme. we're younger, up and coming a vision for the future. that's worked a little bit better for mayor pete than it has for beto o'rourke but it's very early and we have said this a lot of times but he could have
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a night tonight where he can raise more money, and he can get a little bit more momentum. but it's challenging and mayor pete has done this a little bit better than he has to date. i would expect he would go out there and try to contrast his forward looking vision with some of the old school. we don't need the ideas of the past. we need the ideas of the future. >> debates can shuffle the deck as we have seen, and i'm sure we will see over the next two nightings. thank you so much for all -- nights. thank you so much for all the of the analysis. the second round of the democratic debates tonight, 8:00 p.m. eastern, live from detroit, only on cnn. all right. up next, they are both house democrats from the state of michigan, but when it comes to impeachment, they are split. we will tell you why and they will discuss. >> these guys need to pace themselves. they've got a lot of hours ahead of them for this chanting. coming up, michigan democrats are going to talk about the
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okay. the second round of democratic debates begin tonight here in the motor city, and the stakes could not be higher. what message do people in michigan want to hear from these democratic candidates? let's bring in two experts. we have two of the state's democratic lawmakers, congresswoman debby dingle, and congressman dan, brought your own cheering section, i see. there you were out early at 5:00 a.m. >> hey, we're an early town. >> i can see that. great to have you both here. >> thank you. >> congressman, what does michigan want? >> i think people want to hear very serious plans, you know, i come from flint, and everybody knows the story of flint but a
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lot of communities in michigan that feel like they have been left behind during this period of general economic growth want to hear specific plans about how we bring everybody along. and particularly my hometown, what we don't want to hear is sympathy, and what we don't want are candidates to come and use flint as the backdrop for a photo op. we need to hear specific plans about how we think the country forward in a way that brings everybody along. those kinds of economic policies are what people are looking for. >> do you agree? what do you think michigan voters want to hear about northeast. >> they want to hear about how we're going to keep jobs here, how we're going to keep manufacturing here, they want to talk about health care, and how much their health care costs are going up and prescription drug cost costs. they want to educate their kids, they want their pensions to be safe. table top issues that we didn't do a good job of as democrats talking about in the last election. we have to do a far better job
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talking about this stuff. >> i don't hear either of you mentioning what has consumed so much of the conversation over the past week which is race. does this matter tonight? >> you are in the city of detroit. this debate has two buckets, one is the midwest, the heartland of america, wants to know we have candidates who care about us. you are in a city that is coming back. race is a critical issue and this city, downtown is coming back, what are you doing in the neighborhood, how are we. it's a very important issue for tonight. >> certainly can't talk about what happened in my hometown without considering race, and when we hear the president or see the president tweet the way he does, his message about the people of baltimore, when we hear baltimore, we think detroit. we think flint, we think youngstown, we think saginaw, we think gary, indiana. the president, i think, is bringing race to this conversation in a really destructive way, when what he
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ought to be thinking about is how he as president could deal with those constituencies of his and when he talks about elijah cummings in his district, that is a district that is part of the united states of america. the president has a responsibility to those people to do something to try to lift them out of their circumstances. there's a racial dynamic to this, and the president uses it in the most cynical and most destructive way. >> you think baltimore is a synonym for all of those places. i mean, you think that when he says that baltimore, what he means are cities that are maybe majority black, and that are struggling with poverty issues. >> the president knows what he's doing. i think he has made a calculation that the way he wins is to divide this country, and to try to whip up support around his base and to divide us on racial lines or on other lines of demography, and it's a very destructive thing. it's un-american. >> it did work in 2016.
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>> to an extent it did. and i think one of the big differences, and debbie obviously was out there sounding the alarm very early. oe of the big differences between 2016 and 2020 is that we know the threat now. people understand what this presidency represents, whereas in 2016, i think part of the problem we had, certainly here in michigan is the assumption that, well, he can't win. a lot of folks either didn't vote or voted for a third party candidate or came to vote on election day and voted in every race except president. i don't think we're going to see that take place. we have our work cut out for us. we can't take anything for granted. >> what do you think has changed since 2016 here? >> for starters i'm worried. 2018 was about health care and i'm out every single weekend talking to people, and i can feel it. there are people -- i am very concerned like dan about what the president is doing. this week was our colleague, elijah cummings, but last week it was rashida tlaib.
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i'm the one who has the largest population of muslims and african-americans in this country. the community takes it so personally. i have children that are third generation americans that are scared somebody is going to rip them out of their homes and never be seen again. i respect the office of president but his job is to unite us as a country, not to destroy us, and what he is doing isn't just going after the people he thinks he's going after, he is destroying communities. >> and do you think that people hear that differently this time or will in 2020 than they did in 2016? >> i think this race could go either way. i think people are more engaged than i have heard it. i'm out and about. farmers markets in ann arbor, people say different things. anything can happen between now and november. this state is at play. everybody needs to know their vote matters and we're going to have to, i hope everybody votes,
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because if they do vote, they have a responsibility. >> i don't hear either of you mentioning impeachment, in terms of an issue top at nind fmind f voters. you think it's time to begin an impeachment inquiry, along with 106 or 7 of your house democrats. do you still have that position? >> i do. >> and did the mueller hearings change anything for you? >> no, because i had already come to that conclusion before mr. mueller testified but i think, you know, obviously each member comes to their own conclusion on their own time line, and i think it's really important that we understand we have to be able to do more than one thing at a time. i don't think it's a choice between the question of exercising oversight and in my case, believing that that oversight extends to initiating an impeachment inquiry but really focussing on those issues that people actually talk about when they're sitting around their kitchen table. if we can't do both of those things at the same time, i think we're going to have a very difficult time. >> where are you on impeachment? >> i voted no not to table the green resolution because i was
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so disgusted by what he was doing to the community that i live in. i do believe we've got to follow the facts, nobody is above the law, but we've got to stay focused on issues that matter to the people. >> does that mean it's time to start an impeachment inquiry? >> i think the committees are doing their investigations. i think we have chairmen doing their job, and i think we have to do both, and i think we have to be very very careful. and i don't want to see us get president trump reelected. >> congressman killdee, congresswoman dingall, thank you for rolling out the red carpet. >> welcome to detroit. >> it is great to be here in michigan. democratic candidates in this debate, will face off on the issues, they will have to deal with the issue of president trump, and the things he has said over the last few days. there is new reporting from inside the white house that white house aides are not happy with his attacks on the city of baltimore, and african-american
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we're just hours away from tonight's high stakes cnn democratic debate, and it does come as president trump is stepping up his attacks on several black critics. this morning, "the new york times" reports that several white house officials think that the president's attacks are a bad move. joining me now is ron mcdaniel, the chairwoman of the republican national committee and a michigan native, madame chairwoman, thanks for being with us, thanks for having us in your home state. >> welcome to michigan.
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we're so happy to have you here in our home state. >> i was here with your uncle, mitt romney, all the trees are the right height. >> i understood what he meant, if you go to california, the redwoods are very tall. >> 2016, donald trump won michigan. >> he did. >> by 11,000 votes. >> in 2018, republicans lost the governor's mansion, also lost two house seats, what changed from 2016, and 2018. >> and we kept the senate and house statewide in michigan. i think there was a message that governor whitmer ran on: if you know michigan, the roads are horrendous. i hope cnn gets a chance to drive around. she had a signature campaign promise, and i think that helped propel her to victory in michigan. it was a local issue. >> on the national stage right now, "the new york times" is reporting overnight that there are people within the white house, within the building who aren't happy with what the president has been talking about in terms of baltimore and elijah cummings. several white house officials expressed agreement during a senior staff meeting monday
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morning that the president's attacks were a bad move. if you read down at the bottom, they say any political benefit he might derive by revving up his conservative largely white base can be offset by alienating voters in the states like wisconsin and michigan here that he needs to win a second term. do you agree with these white house aides that the president's attacks are a bad move? >> i think the president is making a point to democratic lawmakers which is you represent districts who are in distress, and you're more concerned about how do we get free health care for people coming to this country illegally, you're more concerned about an investigation of russia. why aren't you focussing on the people in your district who are concerned about education and health care. it's more singling out these democratic congress people saying why aren't you helping your districts instead of focussing on people outside the district. >> democrats aren't the only members of congress who represent districts of distress. mo brooks who represents alabama five, right, they have a median
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household income which is less than maryland seven where elijah cummings represents, they have a median home value that is less, fewer people with bachelor degrees and the poverty level is a little bit less than maryland 7 but about in the ballpark. my question to you is this, so mo brooks spends a lot of his time defending the president, why should he do that by your logic and not go home and deal with the issues in your district. >> mo brooks is not advocating, let's give health care to people coming into the country illegally. it's a difference in policy. >> i don't think that's the problem. the problem is the president is saying he's not focused on his home district. >> can i speak, which is mo brooks isn't running a russia investigation every day and investigating this president. he's working for his district. the president is saying the people of your district deserve to have you focused on the problems in our district, and guess what, baltimore does have a high murder rate and there is a lot of poverty, and i think a lot of people would like to see their congressional members and
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leaders focus on how do we solve the problems for the people we represent. >> you know who thinks elijah cummings thinks does a good job is mark meadows, a conservative member of the house, no one works harder for his district that elijah, he's passionate about the people he represents and elijah is not a racist. >> the president is saying, let's look at the policies i put forward, lowest unemployment for the african-american history has hit during my term as president, criminal justice reform, wages are up. poverty has decreased in the african-american community. why aren't we talking about the good policies that this president is putting forward, and by the way, you have a great opportunity with your debate tonight to talk to bernie sanders about what he said about baltimore. was he racist? he was on cnn sunday and nobody asked him about his comment. >> he talked about the poverty rate. he talked about the data on african-americans in the country. it is the lowest unemployment rate we have seen, but just so people have a means of reference, the unemployment
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among african americans has been dropping some time, and cut in half during president obama's term and continued under president trump's term. everything you said was correct about the rate in unemployment. again, you say the president was talking about that, i don't think he was. because he didn't bring that up. what he said is elijah cummings is racist, racist elijah cummings, i'm asking you madame chairwoman and you are the chair of a party that includes larry hogan, and mark meadows and lisa murkowski who have said elijah cummings is racist. >> i don't know elijah cummings. b what i will say growing up minutes from detroit, we have a lot of urban communities that have been misrepresented by democrats. we have a mayor in jail for corruption. we have a city under investigation right now for 200 million in federal funds that came for removing, baltimore,
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17,000 vacant homes, a high murder rate. let's focus on the problems we have here at home, and the president is saying why aren't we focussing on the people in these districts, instead of the people at the border who have come in illegally that the democrats continue to talk about. we have problems here in detroit, and baltimore, all across this country, that we should all be working to solve, and he's pointing out elijah instead of focussing on russia investigations and how we give illegal immigrants health care, why don't we focus on the people in your district. >> he said racist elijah cummings, do you think elijah cummings is racist. >> i don't know elijah cummings. >> and on the issues you brought up, i spoke to the mayor of baltimore. these are legitimate issues. >> huge issues. >> the president hasn't called the mayor yet. so he is the president of baltimore, correct? he is the president of detroit. >> the president reached out a hand and said call me, i'm willing to help. the president has helped the whole country with criminal justice reform with what he has done with wage increase,
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especially the african-american community. why can't we tell those stories, talk about matthew charles and alice johnson and the 2,200 people who were released from early sentences because they were disproportionately for nonviolent crimes. be fair. >> a lot of democrats are talking about criminal justice reform, and will be talking about it on the stage. i want to ask you again, one more statistic, and choices and the consequence of choices, the fox news poll that came out last week, there was a question, does the president respect racial minorities. >> yes. >> 57% say no. 57% say no. >> the president is bringing the message differently. he is saying the democratic party has taken you for granted too long. every four years like clock work, we hear republicans are racist. democrats get continually elected and problems aren't being solved. in baltimore, and detroit in cities across the country where democrats are at the helm, we are not seeing improvements. the mayor of baltimore said that. listen to what she said.
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>> the former mayor. >> nobody is playing, this smells like rats. that was mayor. she wasn't racist when she said that. >> if you're going to make that case, why are the respondents in the fox news poll, why don't they see it that way? >> they should. and part of it is the media. you've got to tell the story of the criminal justice reform, and low unemployment, and loan forgiveness for hbc use, and economic opportunities, 29,000 of them across this country. president trump has been a champion for the african-american community and that story is not being told. >> madame chair o womwoman, gre have you here with us. >> i love having you here in michigan, and the debates here in michigan. >> thank you. >>. new polls where the democratic candidates stand ahead of the big debate. who has the most to lose. we break down the numbers, next.
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we are just hours away from the cnn democratic presidential debate here in detroit. so who has the lead going into this big event? let's get the forecast with cnn's senior politics writer and analyst, harry enten. great to have you here. this is the night you dream about. >> i feel like a football announcer or maybe britney spears. >> she's a jack of all trades. >> let's move on who has the momentum? >> what's so interesting to me, before that first didn't, joe biden had a clear lead in the quinnipiac university poll, and after the debate, kamala harris took it to him, she was able to take a lot of that lead away, and came within the margin of error of him. a recent poll that came out yesterday shows him bouncing back up. it was almost as if the first debate didn't happen at all. it's amazing and kind of reminds
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me of what happened going into the second debate and after that with the republicans back in 2016, and what we saw then was donald trump basically take it to him by carly fiorina. >> one of the things tonight is the first debate is going to have senator bernie sanders side by side with elizabeth warren and one of the things we have said on the show, they are fighting after the same voters, in the same lane, do the numbers bear that out. >> they're going after liberal voters. bernie sanders won that 14 percentage points over hillary clinton. and you see bernie sanders running third, and elizabeth warren at 29%. we see she's going in and taking some of the base. i should point out there are major differences between their two bases, one big example that we have spoken about over and over again is their support of education. what we see is that elizabeth
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warren does better among whites with a college degree than whites without a college degree. bernie sanders it's opposite, does considerably better with whites without a college degree. she's in fact not winning those white voters without a college degree. >> who votes more, with or without. >> they're about even part of the democratic electorate. that's part of the reason why they're even in the polls. >> i think it's interesting because people always say, they're fighting for the same lane, they have different voting bases there, very different. >> and it's not just that. it's also about sort of how their voters envision the democratic primary, so what you see is we recently asked which is more important, basically electability or agreement on the issues and for most democrats, electability this time around. look at bernie sanders support among those who say electability is more important, or issue based. he does considerably better among those who say issue. it's the opposite with elizabeth
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warren. warren voters are democrats, bernie sanders are idiolots. >> this is in some ways a make or break 48 hours. >> there are ten candidates who i would say are in this throughout or at least going to make the next debate. there are ten that will be appearing on stage tonight and tomorrow night, and what we see with them is they are in major danger of not making the september debates. they have less than two 2%. you need 2% in at least four polls to qualify for the september debates. they either have one or 0. like delaney, hickenlooper, bennett, de blasio, williamson, you just go on, and this field is going to get sliced in half after this debate, unless these candidates do better than we expect. >> it will. what's the threshold, 130,000 single donors and you need to be at 2%. >> 2% in four polls and that's much higher this time around. >> 2% doesn't sound like a lot and there will be many
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candidates who don't get there. it bears repeating, though there are 24 candidates in the race, the voters do not look at it like that. >> they are seeing maybe 7, maybe 10 candidates and that's going to be what ends up happening. it's going to be interesting to see whether any of those other candidates get through tonight. one last thing, we're in detroit, queen of soul, aretha franklin, 70% of americans like her music. 10% dislike her music. i don't understand who these people are who don't like her music. makes no sense to me. she is fantastic. >> the russian bots. >> the russian bots are infiltrating. >> thank you. i sit down with a group of michigan voters about what they are looking for in a candidate this time around and their confidence or lack thereof about a democratic win. >> how many of you, show of hands are optimistic that a democrat will win in 2020?
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well, we are here in detroit. we figured it would be the perfect time to check in with the important voters in the swing state. we sat down with a group of engaged voters, mostly democrats, one independent some of whom have volunteered on various campaigns in the past. we wanted to figure out what kind of candidate they think can beat donald trump. and as you're about to hear democrats are wrestling with whether to go bold or practical, progressive or pragmatic. how many of you are still candidate shopping? all of you. are you leaning towards anyone? >> joe biden. >> for you joe biden is at the top of the ticket? >> so far. >> and why?
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>> i've watched joe biden over the years. i find him to be competent politically. solid in foreign relations, and that he never forgot where he came from. i like that. >> i'm going to say the one i'm leaning towards most is julian castro because he has a really good stance on reparations than any of the candidates. >> i love so many of them. it's almost like an embarrassment of riches because we've got so many of them. now i feel like we need something besides an old white guy. >> why top candidate right now is elizabeth warren. she's not in it just to say oh, i'm president. she's in it because she really cares about ordinary people. >> for me it's important our
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family lost our home and l elizabeth warren stepped up to plate and was trying to take on those big banks and help people like may family. >> i think what the country needs now and probably for the next few decades is someone who can right the ship because the waters are going to get stormier, they're going to get choppier. and the idea of simply replacing one person who's rocking the boat with a person who's going to rock the boat on the other side is probably not wise at that point. >> i think a lot of people do support joe biden like my friend here thinking that because he's moderate he'll appeal to most people, but i think we've seen from the republican party someone who wasn't moderate, someone very far right changing things, i think too to battle against that we need someone very far left and support radical change. >> what do you all think of all the conversations we've had of late about race? >> i think at at his core he's a
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racist. he came down the steps of the trump tower a racist, he rode into the white house a racist. and he's opened the door for any racist who's been hiding in the corners to come out and show themselves. >> it sounds like you're saying he didn't start this, he just snapped into it. so how much responsibility do you put on president trump? >> i put all of the responsibility on president trump. it doesn't matter if it's been there, there has never been a candidate since george wallace who has exploited it to the extent that trump has. and it's going to take us a long time to fix it. >> it's not a debate for me on like if he's a racist or not. i think it's very clear that he is. he holds the highest office in the land and i think he's
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legitimizing hatred throughout the country and i think it shows and it's a dog whistle to many, many racists out there who feel they can say these things and feel like it's okay but it really isn't. >> since 9/11 being a muslim-american has brought with it its own challenges and perhaps more historically the idea of hearing go back home has always loomed over me. so i think some of those verbal cues which seem to be much more benign happen with much more frequency than someone actually yelling at you saying go back home, you're not welcome here anymore. >> and what do you think of the internal squabbles ability race in the democratic party? show of hands, how many people think it's fair game for democrats to go after each other on past issues of race? so fair game, why don't you think so? >> you know, it's ironic. ronald reagan said that the one
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golden rule was that republicans shouldn't go after each other, they should really circle the wagon. and part of that was recognizing that everyone's got skeletons in their closet. you can go ahead and disagree about politics. you can go ahead and disagree about policy but dredging up things from the past strips it of its context. >> you thought kamala harris going after joe biden in the first debate was a low blow? >> i think it was a premeditated scripted low blow. >> i have a story about that, about busing, about being the only black in a school, so i have a story. but i also try to think about what other people bring to the table. and i don't expect them to have the same feelings ability it as i do. >> how many of you, show of hands, are optimistic that a democrat will win in 2020? >> why don't you think that you
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have better chances in 2020? >> i think that a blind optimism is how we got trump. people didn't feel like they needed to turn out and they assumed trump would lose. we really need a candidate that's going to increase democratic turn out and not a candidate that's going to convince trump voters to vote for them. >> i think a lot of these subjects coming up today is that the person who's elected the democratic nominee, i think he'll go too moderate to think he'll get a big base of voters and then while doing that lose a lot of people that would have voted for a person more passionate, more liberal, more progressive. >> we're fighting for what is america and what does america stand for. we've got to have passion about that. if we don't, we're lost. >> so that was so interesting and so informative of where the democrats are. only one of the voters on that
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panel say they feel confident, and i think that fear informs everything they said before that. all they want to do is win. >> absolutely. they want to beat donald trump, and as you heard half of them believe only a progressive can do that, someone who will excite and energize the base, and the other half leans joe biden, someone with a proven track record. >> after 2016 they're not going to take anything for granted. thank you our international viewers for watching. for you "cnn newsroom" with max foster is next. 12 hours away now our u.s. viewers from the cnn debate tonight. "new day" continues right now. good morning and welcome to your new day. it is a special day, tuesday july 30th, 8:00 in the east. we are live here in detroit. look at the crowd. >> they're a lot

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