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can't be for these things because we would lose the election. that's not as appealing as the argument that these are things we believe in and we should fight for them. and i think moderates have to make a stronger argument for their points of view here, not just a political argument. >> well, the interesting thing about elizabeth warren was that she also made the electability argument. the rap against her, yeah she's a great debater, she's been a candidate of ideas, maybe they're too liberal for a lot of the country. what she had to do is tell people she's electable, and she did. she said, i'm a capitalist. i know how to fight. i know how to win. and she was saying, everybody, don't worry. >> me, i can take on donald trump. and i think bernie sanders did not do that as well as elizabeth warren did tonight. she knew that she had to confront that. delaney started the debate right out of the box by saying, we're
going to get donald trump re-elected. this is mcgovern, mondale, dukakis. democrats don't like to hear that. he was talking about sanders and warren. she just gave it right back to him and said, uh-uh, that's not the case. >> you heard from moderates, delaney and others, saying this is wishful thinking, this is a laundry list of wishes, it's not something that's going to be possible and get democrats elected. >> to david's point, we're in a primary where you want to love a candidate, you want passion, you want someone to represent you. there is a hunger in the democratic party for ideas. just saying, you'll lose wisconsin, you'll lose michigan. you might be right, this is an untested proposition what senators sanders and warren are describing, has not happened in our lifetime, that a democrat can run for medicare for all, free college tuition, maybe reparations, health care for undocumented immigrants, a host of liberal proposals way to the left of the last democrat who won, barack obama. way way way way way way way left
to bill clinton, the democrat to win before that. my first campaign was dukakis. he was not as liberal. that doesn't mean they can't win, it's just never done before. that doesn't mean it's impossible, it's just never been done. they're asking the party, take a huge bet on me, i can beat donald trump with this agenda that's never been done before. did any of the moderates tonight -- this is why we're going to watch tomorrow night too. does joe biden more passionately stake out the you can't do this to the party, why? not just we can't win, but why? why is protecting obamacare, building on it better than medicare for all? we'll see if that happens tomorrow night. interestingly tonight, mayor buttigieg and beto o'rourke did not join the other moderates in a passionate way. one or two examples they took issue a little bit. they decided to do their own business to try to help their own standing, not to join the ideological fight. it might have been a little different if they joined in. but they're already qualified for the next debate, so they didn't have to do it tonight. and they decided to step back i think and just try to do a
little bit of their own business. >> bullock did and delaney did because they had to do it tonight. >> i want to turn to our partisan, what stood out to you? >> elizabeth warren stood out to me. i think if we're talking about the progressive/moderate divide, it's no secret which side of that line i come down on. i'm definitely more on the progressive side. but those labels aren't on the ballot when people go to vote. and ultimately i don't think people are voting for which health care plan they want. they're voting for a leader. so you have to have policies that they feel good about, but mostly they have to trust you. they have to see that you have a vision for the country post-trump, which requires recognizing trump is not the first thing to come along and be wrong with the republican party or wrong with racism in america, which requires some pretty big bold ideas to get us out of this. >> but they also -- people have to believe that you can beat donald trump. >> yeah, look, on elizabeth warren, look, bernie is the comeback kid a little bit
tonight. the last time he was weaker, he seemed like he was fading. he was strong tonight. he reminded you why you like bernie and he was tough. >> he made me like him for the first time tonight. >> so listen, i'm proud because because this was a clean fight. there were no stunts. there was no cheap shots. nobody came in there with something they're going to do to try to get attention for themselves. it was a clean fight between people with different points of view. that's good for the country, it's good for the party. bernie sanders re-established himself as trying to lead the revolution. when elizabeth warren is trying to lead the country. she is trying to be president of the united states. >> you think bernie's not? >> listen, when you listen to elizabeth warren, she is doing the business of saying, hey, look, i am electable because i have courage, because i have character, i believe in what i'm talking about. here's the thing. this whole left versus right, there's something else going on. it gets called progressive, moderate. what it is, it's authenticity versus phoniness. courage versus cowardice. somebody's going to take a stand
versus somebody who's going to calculate. so you saw a conviction candidate who can unify this party, electrify voters, elizabeth warren. one last thing, i thought that pete did very well tonight. i thought he was strong on faith. i thought he was strong on guns. i thought he made his age an asset for himself. but he still is not yet connecting on the race questions. and that is going to continue to dog him. >> mayor peter buttigieg. chris with the debate moderators, chris? >> all right, thank you. good job, each and all. good to have you. represented the team well. dana, what do you think stood out on that stage tonight in terms of the dynamic that formed among their answers? >> listen, we weren't sure exactly how much the very real divide that is in the democratic party and that is seen among these democratic candidates would show, and it showed from the first nanosecond when jake
was asking about health care, which is obviously the biggest issue and has the biggest divide among the candidates. the leaders on this stage, including and starting with bernie sanders, who wrote the medicare for all bill, are absolutely, positively, unabashedly, unapologetic about it. as you would expect them to be. and that is what their supporters love. but the idea of whether or not a bernie sanders, an elizabeth warren, people with those progressive ideas, can make it to the general election and pass the general election to beat a donald trump, they made their argument pretty strongly. elizabeth warren in particular when she said, you need ideas and you can't run for president saying no. but i'm not so sure they convinced anybody besides the people who they're already talking to. >> the idea that it may be popular in the party. >> right. >> the progressive wing, don,
but not the most popular position in the country, especially this new piece of taking away private insurance and replacing it with something else. >> i think that, you know, that is a big -- one of the biggest issues if not the biggest issue in the party. and that is whether -- who gets elected next time, is if the party is moving too far left. right? if -- are people's taxpayer money going to go to undocumented immigrants getting health care ask so on and so forth and where people stand on those issues. i think everyone pretty much made a valid point right off the beginning. yes, we may have some disagreements. but basically they are similar on what they want. and they think that trump is the existential threat, and that's who they really were going for. >> they got tangled up in it. you had great questions on the topic. amy klobuchar early on said, you want to win the argument or you want to win an election? you gave her this great opportunity. you said very pointedly, you've said some people up here making
promises just to get elected, like who? >> yeah, and she didn't bite. actually, it's funny. we do mock debates where we have ten very gifted, or 20 in this case, very gifted producers who are super smart and study up on the candidates they're assigned. and that answer was given by kristin donnelly, one of my senior producers, who played amy klobuchar in the mock, which was, well -- i mean, she's talking about, i'm guessing, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, but she won't name them. so she pivoted to, donald trump makes promises he can't keep, which is what kristen donnelly, our superb senior producer who played klobuchar, did in our mock, so it didn't surprise me. >> everybody's making promise on this this stage was her answer. >> right. one of the things that's interesting about the way the dnc is doing debates, the previous debates in 2016, there wa be an undercard debate. you'd have the top 10 candidates then whatever five, ten on a
different stage. the dnc wouldn't allow that. so -- i mean, so the showdown between bernie sanders and joe biden with kamala harris, with -- my mind is blank. >> you've had a long night. >> the top four, five candidates. elizabeth warren. we didn't get that. we're not going to get that until the field winnows because the dnc rules say that's not going to happen. so instead of having bernie sanders and elizabeth warren debate this moderate versus progressive divide in the party, we couldn't do that tonight. so we have the arguments basically that biden would be making, being made by other moderates in the party who aren't as popular right now, at least in the polls -- >> they made them, though. >> john delaney, steve bullock, john hickenlooper. for anybody who's wondering why were we doing that? it's because this is a very serious divide in the party right now. >> right. >> with joe biden is really the ringleader of the moderate
party -- of the moderate lane, and also saying if you elect these people, we're going to lose. >> a divide among voters, among democratic voters. >> that's what i mean by in the party. >> exactly. that really is -- it is the fundamental right now. >> this private insurance piece is going to be dispositive on the issue. they have to figure out how to tell people -- let's be honest, you can say it was fair or unfair, president obama, you can keep your doctor, and you didn't. if that had touch a stain, such a legacy, what will "you can keep your plan, we'll figure it out," then the plan gets taken away, how ominous that would be for people. >> kamala harris is trying to split the difference. >> i think one of the most potent examples of that was when jake asked about unions and about the fact that they have private plans, and they negotiated private plans they really like. tim ryan jumped on it before you even got to answer the question. >> what you guys are supposed to do is give them the opportunity to distinguish themselves, and
you did exactly that on a number of points. >> i think that everyone thought the heat was going to be in the center of the stage. i don't mean us, i mean people at home. those are the guys -- >> bernie and warren? >> bernie and warren. i actually thought it was well distributed. i thought the other people conducted themselves and comported themselves very well. they showed up, they made their points, they weren't rude. but i thought there was a lot of substance coming from the fringe as well. >> yeah, it makes sense. in the middle, the people at the top, you expect poise. on the ends, you expect noise, they've got to get heard and recognized. let's get back to anderson, pick up on the coverage, and we'll check back here in late bit. anderson, to you. >> yeah, chris, thanks very much. great job to all our moderators. really an incredibly different task and i thought done extraordinarily well. governor given holm, what stood out to you tonight? >> i think that the people who had a full theory of the case, the ones who have authentic passion, which were tonight i
think elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, clearly. but i also think there were a couple of other people that had moments that were really compelling. for example, i do think that tim ryan, when he was talking about the unions negotiating for those health care benefits, was very powerful. and i also think that marianne williamson, which she talked about reparations and the reason behind it, i thought it was really compelling and authentic. and when she talked about living in grosse pointe and how grosse pointe, for those who don't know, is a very wealthy suburb here, that the flint water situation would never happen in grosse pointe, was very resonant. so i think, you know, she did herself some favor. i'll be interested to see what happens. i know a lot people like to mock her, but honestly i think she brought it for that. >> she really did. >> you think she could be the nominee? >> oh, no. but i do think that she -- >> i wanted to clear that up. >> i mean, no, i don't. >> she is speaking to some people that others aren't.
>> right. >> she's saying things which others aren't. >> she always answers questions on a different level than everybody else. all i can say is, i'm so glad there's a primary, because these issues, these fundamental issues, and i too don't like to say moderate versus progressive, et cetera. but there is -- there's several theories of the case and i'm glad there's a primary. >> governor granholm brought up williams williamson. one of the critiques she has made, wongishness or plans alone, that's not going to win the election, there's got to be more than that, there's got to be a deep understanding of undercurrents in america, and i'm not sure how she phrased it. >> dark and psychic forces. >> to that point, what did you see tonight? >> well, listen, i thought it was fascinating. i thought you had a nonaggression pact between warren and sanders which i found fascinating. they decided not to go after each other. i thought she did an excellent job. >> which by the way at this stage, duke they needed to go after each other?
>> it's not going to last, let me be clear. they're going after the basket of progressive voters, it's not going to last. they decided to do it today. they got ganged up by delaney and hickenlooper and bullock and ryan. and i think beto and pete, where's waldo? because they were not in that debate, they didn't move at all tonight. they were already on the next debate stage. but the big issue coming out of tonight is four or five of these folks are not going to continue. they're not going to be on the next debate stage. what happens is you just run out of money. for the donors now looking, they're not going to support some of these candidates tonight. there wasn't a breakout moment -- >> who's not going to be there next time? >> you know, listen. i give them credit for running for president. >> come on, come on. >> i'll let them make that decision. i thought steve bullock did a great job in his first debate. is it too late? to go out and try and put all those donors together, four or five are going to go out of this thing. warren and bernie, they are going to go after, they have to
go after each other, that's going to come up very soon. >> but they didn't have to do it tonight. >> right. >> because they were a joint force. >> right. >> they were being attacked by everybody else. let me say something about -- i guess we call them the moderates on the stage. i think, if i'm joe biden watching this, i'm thinking, i better do a better jonathan they did. there were a lot of phrases that were used that reminded me of voodoo economics. you know, bush's phrase against reagan. there was wish list economics. massive government expansion. >> fairy tale economics. >> right, fairy tale economics. all kinds of things that eventually could be used against either sanders or warren. and the democrats have to figure this out. because as amy klobuchar said, she said, when it is get real here. and i believe that there are lots of democrats that believe that sanders and warren can't win. >> in some ways a big winner was
biden. >> well in a way, yes. >> because what you saw was a lot of very strong conversations, arguments, coming from the moderate wing, coming from the right of our party. you saw bernie and elizabeth dealing with it as best as they could. nobody came after biden. now biden has more of an understanding about what they're going to do to him when it's his time to go. tomorrow night, we want to get to -- we don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but tomorrow night is going to be a different dynamic. race is going to play a much big errol. >> if you're joe biden watching this, i'm not privy to what questions are going to be asked tomorrow or i wasn't privy to what questions were going to be asked tonight. if i'm joe biden, i'm looking at everybody on that stage thinking, who's the far left person who they're going to ask -- >> but none of those moderates are going to make it. all the moderates fired on the progressive. he saw how they dealt with it. most of those guys are not going to be there are and he's going to have the benefit of having watched that. >> he needs to do a better job
in making proactive, positive case. they decided to frame their fire by saying -- >> policy. >> go ahead. >> i think we agree, you can't just say, i don't want this, i don't want to stand up for this, the country doesn't want this. we are really looking for someone to articulate a positive vision of what's coming next. if joe biden can't do that, then i think he's going to keep on the trend down. the weird thing about the september deadline -- >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> the september deadline, how much i think the field is going to narrow, i think we lose a lot of white men. i think we're going to get to september with a lot of the diversity still intact. and even more so as we narrow it down to the last eight or ten. because they thought they were going to replace biden, right? the theory was that biden -- >> would collapse. >> and i think tonight you saw people who can't really compete with him in the moderate lin. >> you said something interesting when was, it isn't good enough to argue that the country doesn't want this. it does seem as if you're
running for president that you ought to take into consideration what the country wants. and the fact is large numbers of people oppose the medicare for all proposal if it replaces private insurance. >> right. >> we've seen it in poll after poll after poll. a large number of people in this country do not believe the borders should be decriminalized. a large number of people in did country don't believe that undocumented immigrants should qualify for public -- >> squishier if you're able to have the conversation with the voters -- >> the numbers are very good. >> how do we have time to do that? >> i honestly -- i appreciate your feelings about these issues and i'm very passionate about health care myself. i was in the white house when we fought just to get the affordable care act. couldn't get a public option. so bernie sanders was there. he knows that. he knows that what he's talking about is not going to happen any time soon. and so should the party move
forward -- this is what democrats are asking. do we move forward with these idealized proposals? that are going to beg opposition and make it easier for donald trump to make his case and win re-election when the stakes are so high? this is what a lot of democrats are worried about. >> there are enough differences with donald trump which you don't even have to -- >> you know, gloria, the biggest one i'm surprised didn't come up tonight, except in glancing ways. the fact of the matter is, we've never had a president whose political project is so dependant on dividing the country. >> yep, exactly. >> every single day to the point where you have this chaotic situation when it's very hard to get things done. >> can i say something? >> that seems to me to be kind of fundamental. >> sure. >> it wasn't really discussed at great length tonight. >> this is i think the key. there's ra difference in just what went wrong in 2016?
i think we're still all in therapy trying to figure out what went wrong in 2016. depending on who your therapist is, you have a different answer. i think for a lot of progressives you're correct, some of these ideas, they may be a bridge too far. and i had that same fear. i want to speak to the people who say, we don't care, at this point when you have a president who has gone so far to the right and done so many things and been rewarded for the audacity of it, why can't we be audacious? and why can't we actually fight for what we believe in? so i think what you're seeing is -- >> because you want to win. and the economy is good -- >> but listen, this is where i really think we talk past each other. electability is key for progressives as well, but we think you're going to be more electable if you electrify the people who have never voted before and those are going to be the people who need big solutions and moderate answers may demobilize your own base. >> we'll hear from mayor pete coming up as well as other candidates tonight, be right back.
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all right. welcome back to our coverage of night one of the cnn democratic debate. the candidates are talking about their clash of ideas and their fight in many ways for the heart of the democratic party. i am here with mayor pete buttigieg. good to see you, mr. mayor, congratulations on tonight. >> thank you. >> you had a couple of big lines tonight. the first one, i want to know if this was planned for the effect at least it had on me. you said the idea that this president got within a cheating chance of the presidency. those are very particular words. >> yeah, i think about it a lot. we're so worried about this president, we've got to ask ourselves, how does a guy like this ever get there? it should never have been close. and the fact that it was, let alone the fact that he won, i think tells us about the ground shifting beneath our feet. it's one of the reasons why we can't just recycle the same argument or recycle the same ideas and expect to get a lot of fraction. >> i want to get to that. you said that tonight, it was obviously on display. however, cheating chance.
there is an implication there that russian interference why is he won? >> we know russian interference played a role, we may never know how big a real. the point is it should never have been within that distance that russian interference could play a role. we're going to continue to see attacks on our democracy, they're happening right now, and this administration's not doing anything about it. obviously as president i will seek to deter that so that it never happens again. but in the meantime, we've got to figure out how to speak to the american people to the point where a guy like this never gets to the level where it would matter if there was a thumb on the scale coming from overseas. >> one of the dynamics on the stage tonight was a deep dive of relative progressivism about how far you'll go on health care and that was going on. at one point you piped up and said, there's a lot of people here talking about the wrong source of criticism. let's play it for the audience. >> it is time to stop worrying about what the republicans will say. look, if it's true that if we embrace a far-left agenda
they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists, if we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're going to do? they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. so let's just stand up for the right policy, go out there, and defend it. that's the policy i'm putting forward. >> what does it mean to you that the top two poll people on that stage have ideas that, yes, are popular within your party, but not in the country necessarily? especially with this new component of removing private health care that people have now in favor of something else. >> right. to me it makes more sense to have a glide path, we call it medicare for all who want it, that lets people find their own way to what i think will be a superior medicare-style option. >> that's a half measure. the big ideas or don't run? >> i wouldn't be running if i didn't have big ideas and some of my ideas about reforming democracy i think are leading the field. but this can't be about
ideology. the youngest guys on the stage but i felt a dorm room debate over how conservative or progressive the ideas are. voters aren't at home aligning every one of our ideologies with a dot on a line and picking out the dot that matches them most. where i come from there's a lot of people who voted for barack obama, donald trump, voted for mike pence for governor, voted for me for mayor. it's obviously not just about ideology. it's about who can lead, it's about who's going to break through the status quo, and part what was i tried to communicate tonight is what's at stake. we cannot keep having these circular debates or psych ourselves out worrying about what the republicans will say or outdo each other to be the most pure, when the wolf isn't just at the gates, the wolf is through the gates. and again, in my view, it's not just the problem created by this president. it is the problems that created this problem. if we're not speaking to that with something different, i'm very worried about whether we'll ever get another shot. >> while it is interesting at least in part to hear where you guys or this policy, you have to
know you will not be having this conversation if you're the nominee. you're not going to sit on a stage with donald trump -- they may ask him about health care but he's going to keep pointing at you calling you a socialist saying these guys are trying to kill us and ruin everything and like the aca wasn't bad enough. >> he's going to say this no matter what. we can change the politics around an idea. aca, 2010, first time i was running for office as a democrat in indiana running for treasurer, we got smashed over the affordable care act. eight years later it was the winning issue for democrats. why? because people realized the difference it made in their lives. by defending it by name, even defending it whether it was called aca or obamacare, we changed the political profile of the idea. we've got to be willing to do that. part of how we got here was that republicans spent decades coming out for ideas that were considered crazy in the '60s where mainstream republican by the '80s, by the 2000s democrats were doing the same thing. we've goff the same level of ambiti ambition. we've got to be for what we think is right, go out and sell it, then we'll win.
>> thank you very much. congratulations on tonight, good luck going forward. mayor pete buttigieg. good to have him. we're going to get back to anderson por more coverage. this was a big night. >> i'm here with marianne williamson. according to cnn's brian stelter, she was the most-searched of the ten candidates during this debate in 49 out of 50 states. i want to play a moment from ms. williamson from earlier tonight talking about the water crisis in flint, michigan. >> my response on the flint water crisis is that flint is just the tip of the iceberg. i was recently in denmark, south carolina, where it is -- there's a lot of talk about it being the next flint. we have an administration that has gutted the clean water act. we have communities, particularly communities of color and disadvantaged communities all over this country, who are suffering from environmental injustice. i assure you, i lived in grosse pointe. what happened in flint would not have happened in grosse pointe. this is part of the dark
underbelly of american society. the racism, the bigotry, and the entire conversation that we're having here tonight, if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred this president is bringing up in this country, i'm afraid the democrats are going to see dark days. we need to say it like it is. it's bigger than flint. it's all over this country. it's particularly people of color. it's particularly people who do not have the money to fight back. if the democrats don't start saying it, why would those people feel they're there for us? if those people don't see it, they won't vote for us and donald trump will win. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> how did you feel you did tonight? >> well, i feel i did very good, but then i got offstage and i was told i did okay. >> it's interesting to me. because you played a similar role in both debates that i've seen you in. and part of it is almost at times -- it's almost like a narrater in a play sometimes. commenting on -- it's like a
production of "our town" and you're narrating. >> greek chorus. >> yes, greek chorus, you're narrating what's going on. you've made this point twice and it's an interesting and valid one, i think the first debate you said, plans alone are not going to do it. in this case, wonkiness is not going to be enough. i understand the argument that's not enough, that there's something larger, you called them darker forces at play. what is it that is needed if it's not wonkiness and plans? because obviously those are needed. but what else? what is that -- >> we've never dealt with a figure like this in american history before. this man, our president, is not just a politician, he's a phenomenon. and an insider political game will not be able to defeat it. >> can you put your mike a little closer to your mouth? like that. sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> that's fine. >> what i was saying is that the president is not just a politician, he's a phenomenon. and an insider political game will not defeat him.
the only thing will defeat him is if we have a phenomenon of equal force. that phenomenon is a moral uprising of the american people. people laugh at the idea that love has political power. i don't know how anybody could say that after looking at gandhi and the indian independence movement or dr. king and the civil rights movement. but if you look at terrorism and you look at naziism, clearly hatred has a lot to do with what unfolds politically. we need an emotional and psychological uprising among people who have been so chronically disengaged from the political process. and a conversation only about wonkiness and intellectual analysis, the part of the brain that intellectually analyzes an issue is not the same part of the brain that decides who to vote for. >> donald trump was not elected because he wanted to take iraq's oil and surround the oil fields with soldiers and drain all oil, which was an impossible thing. you're saying he was elected because he tapped into -- >> he tapped into racism. he taps, it's what he's
continuing to do. racism, bigotry, homophobia, anti-semitism, although he covers it with pro-israel stuff, xenophobia. he taps into the worst aspects of the human character. this is what authoritarian, fascist dictators do. >> senator sanders is calling for a revolution, getting young people involved, getting people involved in the process. you're calling for a moral uprising? >> i think we need both. i agree with most of the political plans of people such as senator sanders and senator warren are ren, we need both. >> what does a moral uprising look like? >> that you realize how much of our public policy is heartless. as soon as we bought in, and this began 40 years ago, as soon as we allowed an amoral -- what is essentially a sociopathic economic system to take hold and corrupt our government like it does. what do i mean by that? when i was a child the corporation was expected to care. the american corporation was expected to care if somebody worked at the corporation for decades, that they had a
dignified retirement. once we bought into trickle-down economic theory where all that matters is fid dish i can't remember responsibility to the stock holders, even if it's at the expense of other stakeholders such as the workers, such as the environment, such as the community, we split ourselves of from my soul, ethics, conscience, remorse. that is what a sociopath is. what it has done, it has made us a heartless country. when when you have in the richest country in the world children who go to school hungry, asking the teacher, do you have anything to eat? that's heartless. when you have people who are hungry and you do not feed them, when you have children who need educate asking you do not educate them, when you have tax policies and other economic policies that make it so much easier for the already rich to get richer and more difficult for anyone else to make it at all, this is heartless. it is divorced from ethics. it is divorced from morality. that always leads to disaster, whether for an individual or a nation. >> so is there any candidate out there -- look, this is a
political race in the end. if you're not the one, are you -- have you already identified somebody you would support? >> well, but wait a minute. let's talk about is there someone who is doing that? and the person is me. but other than that, that person whose politics i would support? i'm a bernie and elizabeth person. >> but just in terms -- i just find it really interesting, this notion that a plan is not enough. and who else -- does anybody else that you have seen of all -- >> why do you need anybody else? you got me. what is this anybody else? no, that's my point. >> i agree, there is no one else like you on that stage that i can -- i don't take positions, but i can tell you, that is a position i will stand by. >> you got me, so what more do you need? >> what is it like to be on that stage with the background -- you know, you have a fascinating background of dealing with people's emotions and people's
feelings. and addressing people in a -- in grief and in difficult times in their life. and it's a background unlike any of these other folks on this stage. what is it like to see a debate through your eyes as you are standing there? >> well, it's disappointing. because the conversation that's being had in a debate like that, i know is not the conversation that will win. it's not a conversation -- that's not a level of conversation that will defeat the level of collectivelyized hatred and fascistic waters that this man is dipping into. so it's frustrating to are am rebut this is the good news. when i'm out with voters, voters are ready. american civilization is not stuck in the 20th century the way american politics is. everybody else has moved forward. in business, in education, in medicine. we have a much more whole person perspective in life. people go to therapy, people are religious, people have -- people go to yoga classes, people know
now -- it's just this political system that's so stuck in the overly secularized -- >> maybe i'm in a grieving process, and many people have come up to me in grief and connect with me in that way, and it's -- it is a different kind of thinking. i peel feel like you exist in that space always. that is the realm in which you work. and it is a very difficult -- it's a different life, and it's a very real thing that many americans are feeling and experiencing in pain, which you discuss, but no one else really discusses. and it's kind of interesting. >> okay, so let's talk about that. but the truth of the matter is, a lot of people discuss it but they don't discuss it within political field because the political field isn't open. it talks about us like we're wacky, like we're crazy. you've seen what's happened. so it's very difficult to penetrate that field. but the truth of that is, this is how the american people talk today. the political conversation is not the way the american people talk. the american people, things happen. people go to therapy, people lose people, people go through
heartbreak, people lose people to death, people get sick. this, this conversation we're only going to talk about the sim ton, never the cause, only about thing on this the outside. that is how we got here, anderson. >> this is why you were the most-searched person tonight. i know this, ms. williamson. a pleasure, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> we're going to take a short break, more candidates just ahead. you try hard, you eat right... mostly. you make time... when you can. but sometimes life gets in the way,
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all right, definitely a clash of ideas tonight in detroit. not so much about how to beat donald trump, but about relative stands on health care within the democratic party. let's talk about it. we have two of cnn's finest here, cnn political director david chalian, political analyst kirsten powers. marianne williamson was just on with anderson. i've been a fan of her books. obviously "return to love," "a course of miracles," "healing the soul of america." this was the first time tonight i heard her harness that voice in her riff about racism and it
being bigger and what it means to the party. it was one of the biggest applause lines of the night. >> yeah, and full disclosure, i'm friends with marianne, i am a big fan of hers as well. >> full disclosure, i didn't really know her, i like the books. >> people got to see the marianne that i know a little bit, and she's been thinking about these issues, particularly race, a long time. she's been talking about reparations for a long time, long before a lot of people in the democratic party were talking about it. i think that world view came through very clearly. but it's something that she's thinking about and is serious about. and i think she has a really interesting -- anderson was sort of getting into this with her, just in this prior interview. she's bringing something fresh and different to the debate stage. she's a completely different perspective -- >> right, she's coming from a very deep ask soulful place. that's not what was playing out on the stage. i don't mean that as a criticism, it's just an observati observation. we were looking on the other
side of your screen, senator elizabeth warren. this is the opposite end of the emotional spectrum that was going on. she was a hammer tonight, elizabeth warren. you want to come at me? i'm going to smack you down. i'm going to talk about these ideas. here's the problem as i see it. maybe it's not, david. she's at the top of the polls here, top three or four, however you want to look at it. but the ideas are not three or four most popular in this country that she's trying to sell. >> when you say she's to have the polls you mean the polls of the democratic primary. >> yes. >> some offer on ideas are quite popular within the democratic primary electorate. and this is the whole conversation that's going on inside the democratic party right now. i thought bernie sanders and elizabeth warren had really good nights on the stage. they took a lot of incoming, as you described. but i thought they made a really forceful case. and what i -- as i was watching the debates, wow, if you thought this ideological battle that is going on inside this nomination race christmas how going to wrap up early before the voters weigh
in, that's not the case. >> you heard klobuchar, do you win the argument or did you win the election? valid point. >> totally valid point. what i saw on the debate stage tonight were two leading candidates who are going to make the argument and take the argument the distance here to some degree. i do think what we saw is there's going to be a longevity in this nomination race to the party trying to figure out which wing is going to be the one that can, as you know, it's not either/or in politics, it's both end. you've got to be able to bring the middle of the country along and inspire and excite your base. so i just think the way that they pushed back, remember, they were taking the incoming from some one percenters. i'm curious to see, they may have won the debate tonight, brought gressives on this stage. do they win it tomorrow night when the country gets to see biden and harris on the stage as well and compare the other -- >> when you start getting into a
debate, when people have a vested interest in saying, you want to take my insurance in you want to take 150 million people's insurance? the union people that are coming to me because of things like this. this other point i've heard you make many times, they're not going to have this discussion with donald trump. he's not going to talk about their health care plan. he's going to call them a social its and say you guys are trying to destroy the country, you're the squad. >> i think pete buttigieg is right when he says, it doesn't matter what you do, they're going to call you a socialist. this is what they did to nancy pelosi. you have to remember so many people saying in 2016, nancy pelosi needs to step down because she's going to drag the democrats down and they pinned her as the san francisco liberal. and come on, that was ridiculous. and nancy pelosi has ended up being the only person really who can deal with donald trump. >> she has done a great job for her interests. what they underestimated about nancy pelosi, i don't know that it applies to this field, which is they slept on her experience. >> yeah. >> this field does not have that
kind of experience that she has in the trenches, doing the job that she was put there to do, and winning. so we'll see. very good points. and anderson, back to you. you heard kirsten and i talking about it. that was a deep conversation you had with marianne williamson and it might have been one of the most interesting things i've heard tonight. >> we were going to go deeper, but you know, ran out of time, you know how it is. chris, thanks very much. joining us is beto o'rourke. it's great to have you here. i heard your campaign manager earlier today saying that what you needed to do today is introduce yourself to the american people on the stage. do you feel you did that? >> i did. grateful for the opportunity to do that. to describe why this moment is so important. and what we could lose in this country. and the way to meet that is not to pit ourselves against each other or to write some part of the country off or to make this about the orthodoxy of our views. it's got to be about bringing everyone in. that's the kind of race we ran in texas. we just saw a new poll today
that has us up 11 points on donald trump in texas. those 38 electoral college votes. that way that you run to bring everyone in. that's what defeats donald trump at the end of the day. and it's also how you bring this country together on the really big issues that we talked about, whether health care, climate change, immigration, gun sense legislation. you can't write people off, you've got to bring people in. >> one of the things you said on the stage, you think it's a false choice between improving the affordable care act and medicare for all, that it's not necessarily a binary choice in that sense. can you explain why? >> yeah, so as i travel and listen to people, they're telling me they want to make sure that everyone is able to see a doctor. anyone can go to a mental health care provider. every woman can make her own decisions about her own body and has access to the care that makes that happen. but many are telling me they like their insurance. members of unions, culinary workers in nevada to give you an example, fought for the health care plan they like. they don't want to go over to
medicare. so i respect them and their judgment and their wisdom and that's reflected in our plan, medicare for america. you are enrolled in medicare if you're uninsured or insufficiently insured, you can't afford your co-pays or premiums. but if you like your importantly we got to make the point tonight in the debate. we're not raising taxes on the middle class in order to pay for it. >> how do you pay for it? >> make sh sure the wealthy with paying their fair share. tax capitol at the same rate you tax ordinary income. >> capitol gains. >> that's right. and realize the gains from things like immigration reform. which will generate hundreds of billions of dollars to the economy. ending the wars we're fighting today and a dividend that produces hundreds of billions of dollars. with the tax code and the structural changes in the economy and investing in people and communities in their well
being, that produces a return far in and above what the initial cost is of the investment. >> taxing capitol gains. so many people focus on income. for people in the crazy levels of money, it's not even a salary that they are getting that's taxed. it's the capitol gains. the money they're making from investments they have. which is being taxed at a lower level. >> which makes no sense. we have a system today in the country where the wealthy are not paying a fair share. and roll back the trump tax cuts. corporations went from paying 35% to 21. even if you just move it to 28. you would generate hundreds of billions of dollars over ten years. there's a way to pay for the investments we want to make. and everyone can participate in the success of the economy. and the american economy grows as a result. >> i hate talking about polls. particularly at this point in the race. it's a smap shot in time.
that's a metric by which the campaign is judged. latest you're around 2%. what do you feel you need to do to push it forward many. >> tonight was great for us. tomorrow in nevada connecting with voters. one conversation one town hall at time. to vote for us and support us. to work on the campaign and remind people about texas. that poll that shows us up 11 over donald trump. no other democratic contender is even close to that must remember. symptom are losing to trump. in texas. so those 38 electoral college votes allows to defeat trump and forever change the political map. the electoral landscape in the united states. and i think there is only one way to win texas. it's a way that we did it. produce the result in november
of 2020. and make sure that we have the kind of majority we need to pass the ambitious legislation we're talking about. >> you did lose to ted cruz in texas. it was a close race. in the end it was not the out come you wanted. >> in a midterm year we had a turn out that almost ellipsed a presidential election year. won more votes than any democratic in the state. and also brought along nearly half a million republicans. that's the recipe nationally to defeat trump. it's not a person or a party. it's got to be a movement. that's what i got to be a part of in texas. and extraordinary experience. something that shows us how to do this in a way to defeat trump and bring the divided country back together. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. we'll take a short break. coming up next warren joins us. as our coverage continues.
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if you're just now joining us we're coming up on midnight in detroit. talking about a serious and passionate first night of the cnn democratic debate. agree or disagree, every candidate presented them clearly. for the most part with facts and not a lot of back and forth. tomorrow night another big one for biden and harris. tonight one of the leading voices massachusetts senator warren. she joins us now. how did you any you did tonight? >> it was a chance to be able to talk with millions of people across the country. about a government that now works for the wealthy and the well connected for a thin slice of the top. and how in 2020 we have a real chance to change that. we can attack the corruption head on. we can restructure basic parts of this economy. and we didn't get to talk about it, we can protect our democracy. so that everybody in america
really has a chance to vote and get that vote. >> there was obviously a ideology battle going on. you and senator sanders and more i guess considered a more moderate members of the party. it was a real difference of it's a larger clash or difference of ideas. and strategy going on. in the democratic party. i want to play an exchange you had with i believe it was governor delaney. >> i don't understand why anybody goes thu all the trouble of running pr president of the united states to talk about what we can't do and shouldn't fight for. our biggest problem in washington is corruption. it is giant corporations that have taken our government and that are holding it by the throat. >> the quote of the night.
i don't understand why anybody goes through the trouble of running for the president of the united states to talk about what we can't do and shouldn't fight for. ouch. >> well. i think that's fair. and right. look, before i ever got in the race for president, i knew exactly what i thought was wrong in the country and why i was rining for president and what it is i would get out there and fight for. and the kind of fight that i would run. for me this was about a grass roots movement from the beginning. not sucking up to corporate ceos and billionaires. and that's what i want to talk about every chance i get. we can't be the party of little changes from where it is right now. this is a time in america where people feel it and feel it bad. what's happening in this country is they get it. they haven't had a raise most of them for a generation. the cost of housing is up and
health care. the cost of child care. people watch their kids trying to get an education. and just loaded down with tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt. >> you know the argument that representative delaney and others are making. just politically you'll tell it was hard enough for democrats to get the affordable care act passed. you're telling the american people more than 100 million that the private insurance will be taken. >> i so admire what president obama did. it was so hard to get us from a place where we were on health care. to getting coverage for tens of millions of americans. notice how the world changed over time. i was in the senate when the house voted to repeal health care coverage for tens of millions of americans and gave each other high fives. what kind of human beings high five over taking away health
care coverage from tens of millions of people. it came to the senate of the united states. and there were enough people across the country who had come off the sideline and spoken up. who had come to washington who camped out in congressional offices and senate offices around the country. that we picked up republicans and we saved health care. for tens of millions of americans. the moment is shifting in america. this is a point in american history. and we see the crisis in not going to win this moment. with small ideas and spinelessness. the way we win this moment is with big structural change that touches peoples lives. >> to somebody out there who likes their health insurance and they have through the union or where ever it is, what do you say to them about what lies ahead? why they should give up prifs
insurance. >> i wish we would stop using republican talking points. this is about a transition. and i say to them, go visit with the guy i talked about on stage. 35 year-old. he has the cutest little boy. and has als and he's dying. he has great health insurance. and yet, every month he's about $9,000 of medical bills the insurance company says we're not paying for. his wife spends hours and hours and hours on the phone begging the insurance company for coverage. he goes online like thousands of americans who have health insurance. to beg their friends and family and strangers please chip in some money. so i can pay for healthcare that my insurance company won't cover. >> it sound like you're saying to the person who likes health insurance now. you don't understand that it's actually not that good. push comes to shove it won't be
there for them. >> there will be a transition to something that's better. president obama got us part way there. it made it a huge difference. people are alive today because we fought that fight. and notice how many people who stood on the sideline whool e he was the one who carried that all the way. who got in the fight when they started talking about taking it away. >> you can convince people it's going to be better than the plan they currently have? >> it is going to be better. here's the deal. the billionaires and big corporations they will pay more. hard working middle class americans they'll have less money out of pocket in this. this is about how it is that right thousand this government continues to protect the giant insurance company. continues to protect the giant drug companies. this is the moment to fight back. >> some folks on the stage were talking about raising capitol
gains tax. is that something you are mind? >> sure. >> there's a will the of folks at a high level. if you're focusing on salary, you're missing what the real inequity is. capitol gains. >> weshld do a much better job on taxes on income. close up loopholes. let's pay attention to wealth. wealth inequality. it totally jumped the rails. this is what the income distribution looks like. do you know what the wealth distribution is like people who don't have anything to people have the most. it does this and goes through the ceiling and into the stratosphere. a two cent tax on the top one tenth of 1%. in america. about 75,000 fortunes. the first 50 million you keep free and clear.
50 million and first dollar pitch in two cents. every dollar after that. do you know how much money that produces? universal child care for every baby zero to five. and for universal precan for every 3 year-old and 4 year-old. enough to raise the wages of every child care worker and preschoolteacher. universal technical college for every kid. raise the pell grant. and enough to put $50 billion into a historically black colleges and universities. cancel student loan debt for 95% of the kids who have it. enough to make a meaningful difference and close the black white wealth gap in america. and still have hundreds of billions of dollars left over. money to use to attack the opioid crisis. money we can use to address the
black white entrepreneur ship gap. this produces money because america's economy is so broken. we have left the giant fortunes accumulate and getting bigger every year. two cents. it's not -- these guys at the top last year, the 99% pay about 7.2% of their total wealth in taxes. that's most of the people watching this show. the 1% paid 3.2%. so ask to pitch in two cents. that's still not a level playing field. here's the deal. this is something that's popular not just with democrats. not just with progressive. this is something that independents like. and a majority of the republicans support. it is a big idea that we can all get behind and will make a meaningful difference in peoples
lives. >> i appreciate your time. >> so good to see you. thank you. >> coming back with the political team. some of the key moments from tonight. let's go over to -- >> yeah. how do you feel senator warren and senator biden -- sanders did in terms of fending off the push from the moderates. >> i thought as i said earlier. they had a great night. in terms of repelling those people and what senator warren says. i have questions about the viability of some of the proposals and i have said so. medicare for all in the sanders form is one that is a political liability. she's right about the wealth tax. look at polling, that is an idea that actually more than raising taxes on the wealthy income taxes the wealth tax. the question is whether it's
doable. there's debate about that. >> you're still here. >> i actually, here's the question. when you say is it doable. we live in a democracy. if it's something the majority of the people want, why shouldn't it happen? i get it. i get that rich people own more cars than poor people. i get they may have bigger houses. they shouldn't own more democracy. in my view when the majority of people want to see it happen, big majority. we ought to be able to make it happen. if we don't, it's because the guys at the top have way too much influence. >> i hesitate to say this. to a law professor. my understanding is the argument is about legally how that would there are legal issues. >> the question is, we are democracy but we're a democratic
republic. there is a constitution. and the constitution may or may not allow for this. it's just not constitutional. >> come on. you think i didn't talk to constitutional law. >> you didn't mention it in the debate. >> it didn't come up. of course. and they assure me i'm confident we can do it. >> to take wealth from people. >> property taxes all the time. i think we can do this. >> i felt that your answer with the regard to the people who like their insurance. may have left some people cold. i think if you tell somebody that medicare for all who want it, like pete. that makes sense. if you tell people i'll force you into a government system. they may rebel. everyone people that like it. i don't know how yo sell that. >> let's talk for a minute. we have a system. >> it sucks. my mom just passed.
how do you get somebody who likes it to say i'll let her force me into a public system. i have a car i have to give it up to get on the subway. i have to be in it. >> it's entirely fair to say that you have to lay it all out there. let people look and negotiate. let people see what all the details are. and let people have a say in those details. i take very seriously when the union say wait a minute, this is part of the compensation. my answer is the unions get a seat at the table. nobody passes anything. without getting the union in there and saying so what's the deal? do you have to change the law in terms of compensation. what happens with the packages. do people get cash equivalence? >> you're open to some of the process part. the end of the day private insurance companies are out of business. >> it's the process part it's also the other half about the
unstainability. when people talk about they want to do two systems. people who want health insurance. you have to remember, that means all the community hospitals still have to fill out the forms. every doctor has to fill out the forms. every insurance company still has the capacity to say we're not covering what your doctor prescribes. >> senator, let me ask you this question. you make a very powerful argument. for if people support it. we have ought to have it. what about when people don't support it. large majority of people don't support this idea. they don't support decriminalizing the border. these are things you're passionate about. you make a powerful argument for them. they're not supported by a majority. >> not today. obamacare was not supported at the beginning. this is what leadership is about. we figure out what's right and
then we build a movement to get it done. that's how we make change. if we just waited for hundreds of millions of people to jump on board, we wouldn't be making changes. this is our chance to make real change. that's what i'm trying to do. >> let's talk about the opposite. which is that 89% of voters in this country believe in universal background check. 90%. that hasn't happened. >> exactly. it makes my point. you know why it hasn't happened? corruption. in washington plain and simple. we have a government that kowtows to the nra. they use the money and influence to keep our children at risk because they will not give in. >> preach. >> you bet. >> one last question. >> you know i will. >> help a kid who first campaign was 1988.
a democratic nominee for massachusetts. he lost 40 states. i know times change. what convinces you that with the human chain saw president we have now that says your socialist. that you can sell this. medicare for all. the green new deal. healthcare ben if i wants for the undocumented. and so on and so forth. in one national election. >> here's the national election. donald trump has already made basically his one sentence pitch. that is anything in your life that's bad, you haven't gotten a raise. you're worried about sending your kids. whatever it is. blame them. people who aren't the same color as you. who aren't born where you are born. people who don't worship like you. blame them. that is his message. my message is, you have things broken in your life. i'll tell you why.
giant corporations, billionaires have seized our government. and for decades now, they have been making that government work for a thinner and thinner slice at the top. they do it on the headlines. just a little tilt here shift there. a little exception. until over time, they have gotten richer and richer and richer. and everybody else is left eating dirt. that is the message. that is what we need to get out and talk about. and then not enough just to say it's wrong. to say we have a plan to fix it. we go after the corruption head on. we restructure this economy. a couple basic ways. join a union. give workers some power. pass a wealth tax. and protect our democracy. that mean needs to be part of what we talk about that we never talk about tonight. we need to make the democracy
and economy -- not just for those at the top. >> it's a lot of power and influence. it won't be corrupt. but it's a lot of power and influence in washington. what convinces you people especially in some of the states that are let's say to the right of massachusetts. are not ready to support that. >> when we talk with people for example about the tax on billionaires, they are ready to support it. and talk about cutting kids student loan debt. they're in. talk about what it's like on child care. how many moms can't finish education, can't take a job. how many dads are saying i can't do this. we cannot get -- >> you know what i like about you? you make me feel like help is on the way. like something good can happen in america. >> you make me feel like it's hard out here. >> it is hard. this is the point. this is what optimism is about.
optimism is about knowing what's broken. laying out a plan to fix it and build a muchovement to make it happen. we have the power. >> from people trying to choose between now and biden. why are you a better candidate? >> i'm not here to diss a democrat. i have laid out my vision. of what i believe we can do as a country and i'll get out. >> why is fixing the affordable care act not enough? >> that's what i just talked about. it leaves us with aun insurance system that sucks $23 billion out and leaves people who need their healthcare coverage fighting with their insurance company. to try to get coverage. the system is not sustainable. either we fix it or let the insurance companies continue to suck money out of the system. and doctors g down.
community hospitals go down. and worst of all, patients are the ones who go down. >> how do you bring republicans along on the plans? >> wealth tax they're already there. i think this old paradigm of left right, i don't think it works anymore. i think it's about now is understanding who is controlling washington. people look around and you come to a place like michigan and talk about how has trade policy been written in america. how is industrial policy written in america. for decades now. the answer, let giant corporations do whatever the heck they want to do. it's not working. they have no loyalty to america. if they think they'll save a nickel moving a job to mexico. done. if they can continue to pollute the air by moving that factory
to vietnam. done. the government is not on the side of those guys. the government is on the side of the people. without a government on the side of the people, the giant corporations keep running the whole game and everybody else falls further and further behind. >> what do you say to voters who say you're asking for too much. it's been too much and i'm exhausted by it. and you're asking me now to flip completely and i don't want to deal with that. >> i'm saying. >> too much. >> if life is not working. find a solution. i'm asking for three things. attack the corruption head on. make a couple of structural changes in the economy. and protect our democracy. we do those three, we can build an america that doesn't just work for those at the top. america that works for everybody. >> senator warren.
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welcome back. we heard from senator warren before the break. a long interview with everybody here joining me. chris, i know you were listening. it's such an interesting night where even after debating for hours, these folks come by and warren she could have sat here for quite a while had her people not been like all right. this is enough. >> look, i think they can't do it enough. even in watching that interview. a unique experience for us to be watching. they start to say the same things again and again. if they don't get tested and give people different looks and chew on ideas and that's what you gave her the opportunity to do. we offer invitations like that all the time. more people should take it. your question was the key. she can defend her ideas all day long and attack the machine and
the wealthy, the bottom line is, she wants what biden has and his positions are more sellable to the american people than hers. what does she do with that? >> yeah. also clearly to see them both on the stage together or sanders. that is all the luck of the draw. that would be a fascinating part. and that is coming. >> look, that is part of the evolution. i turn that to the better mind that i have an ex to me. that was the key question. she can defend it all day long. she's brilliant. law professor. she's been thinking about this for years. there's no question she tested the constitutionality of assessment on wealth. can you test the salability to the american people? >> this election will test that. that is what will happen when people cast ballots. i think we cannot forgets -- trump is a unique figure in
america politics. i'm not comparing. he took positions in the primary in the last election we didn't think were salable. a muslim ban? that was somehow going to be salable to the general public? or building wall and getting mexico to pay. it was. he found a way. he was unique and there were lots of circumstances. i don't think we can at this stage of game rule out that like we saw in the republican side of the last 20 years, as a certain faction of the party got more currency with not just the wing of the party but with the american people in large. that could potentially happen on the left as well. i take your point. >> the fofr marmation. it moves back in the other direction. >> the things he did. attacked the iraq war. and attacked the bushes.
and the republican primary you can't do that. he went after fox news and things you're not supposed to do and it didn't matter. warren what she was saying is it's our job as leaders to move the party in the direction that we want them to go. not just reflect back to them what we think they want. >> i totally understand the mind set. the question becomes what's the pragmatism behind it. when you look at the american people, why does biden get this bounce when the president is obnoxious? it seems to be that. i don't see biden made moments since the last debate. this president has. and the democrats said i really don't want this president anymore. it has to be him. how does she change that? >> democrats are confused. they don't know how to be beat trump. they are like well, maybe biden because he seems stable and a white guy and he's sort of
moderate. then i don't know. and randi kaye did an interesting focus group. there was not a single person excited about joe biden. you can see people are going to him because maybe he can win. they're not really enthused about him. and you want to have -- i think people are watching the debates and trying fo figure it out. who can beat trump. >> we have a focus group of iowa voters coming up. it's good to get minds that aren't processing this 24/7 to get the reflection. >> the disruption you're talking about. there's risk associated. so i think some democrats as you said the president does something, wait, let's return to normal. back to normal. but, now you see a candidate who presents the notion of the whole system has to change. and that can excite democrats. i think thaw weigh those things.
i will say you talk about the pragmatism. warren unlike sanders i think this is one of the differences. she has more of an ear for what you're talking about. that when she was just pressed on again union health care plans. it wasn't like no, we're forcing them into it it will be gate for everyone. unions should have a seat at the table. through the process as well. that is somebody who understands some of the potential political pitfalls for the position. >> i like she took this opportunity. there's a misconception that we love having the kinds of -- this is no bowl of cherries for anything. talking to the politicians about the policies. they get upset and drama. i'm happy she took the opportunity. you need to be tested. example. i can look at this two ways about the private insurance. it's scary because of what happened with you can keep your doctor. now you're taking the only
thing. the only thing i bargained away wages. i need it for my family and you take it? versus sanders saying i never met anybody who says ta love their insurance company. >> what both are doing are really talking about all the problems we have. in a crisis we have. with the healthcare system. that's the reality. people can point to other countries and say people have to wait in line for something. people wait here. the system is not that great. but it is also hard in the middle of a primary to be educating people about this. i think another thing that has warren has going for her is she was just chewing up sp spitting people out. when they came at her, she was just like, no problem. >> it's a contact sport. >> people are looking for with trump. seeing how when people come at her she's she has a quick come back. doesn't take anything from anybody. that going to resonate for people looking for people to
come back at trump. and biden wasn't doing that. >> it's so smart. i have been saying this since the last debate. as much as there was an argument about bussing. it wasn't about bussing it was harris showing a democratic primary audience she knew how to land the punch. against a front runner and show she that democrats can say i can see her on the stage with trump. warren also was demonstrating tonight she didn't care about smacking back delaney. she wanted to show democratic voters thinking about this electability argument she is equipped to take on opponents. >> i would argue this was a better one than for harris. that looked planned. to hurt biden. and it used race. she can say i don't think you're a racist. the most important word in the sentence is but. they had t-shirts they were ready to go. this was organic. i'm not looking to fight but
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welcome back. we have been talking with the candidates tonight and of course a great team of experts. of course the voters will decide. so i want it hear from some voters. in iowa tonight with the men and women we spoke to after the last debate. all undecided. we'll talk to them throughout the campaign and see what moves them and their votes. what are you hearing? >> we're in iowa city. at university of iowa. johnson county. the reason we have come here twice, this is the most democratic county in the state. this is the only county clinton won in a landslide in the state of iowa. in 2016. these are important voters these
nine people. because if you don't do well in johnson county on caucus day. at a democrat. you won't do well statewide. we want to talk to the folks. nine people. we talked five weeks ago. you thought warren did the best and harris did the best in the second debate. tonight, we want to do a lightning round. among most important voters right now. who did the best? >> being statewide is the important thing. and being more moderate in the state of iowa will go far. and farmers and real people -- >> you're a farmer. >> they want affordable and bullock and klobuchar and ryan did a good job of bringing that argument out. >> who did the best? >> warren. >> who do you think? >> warren. >> who do you think the best performance? >> warren. >> who do you ghaif the best performance? >> warren. >> warren. >> warren. i keep saying warren.
you keep saying warren. who do you think? >> warren. >> overwhelming victory. sanders and warren did not sound that much different in the comments tonight. why has nobody said anything about sanders? >> i think with sanders if you would have asked me in the first half he's winning. in the second half he went and kind of fell into his old the top 1% and not answering the question asked. going back to that. this is your time to say something new. please say something new. i want to like you. >> iowa term. stick. you say the same thing over and over again. keeping it light. anybody else? he can be too contrived. >> absolutely. it was the same sanders we saw four years ago. he fell into the same rut. i would agree. >> second best. saying you felt buttigieg.
why didn't you think he did the best? >> actually i think he's solid with the answers. he's not the fighter that elizabeth is. >> is that what you think she's a fighter? antitrump? >> i think that going up gens trump she has a very good standing ground and can dish it. like give it to him. and stand up there. >> you want a candidate who can dish it? seriously. >> klobuchar a neighbor from minnesota. you liked her before i met you five weeks ago. how come i don't hear her mentioned. >> she came across -- as we were saying earlier. just canned. just well rehearsed. not a lot of the same passion and fire. that warren presented tonight. >> every one of you told me you agree with klobuchar. isn't that enough? >> i want her to impress me because she's the only one out
there with mental illness plan. i need her to reach our hearts in addition to minds. that's what we're hoping for them to do is reach everybody's heart. >> did warren reach your heart? is that why eight of you thought she did the best? >> yes. >> she's a fighter. amy is knocked it out of the park. i saw her in person. 30 second answer is not her best way. >> williamson. she was interesting and fun to watch. were you impressed? >> she was surprisingly comprehensible. >> could anyone vote for her? >> no. >> you said that disdainfully. >> i just can't do it. i can't bring myself to take her serious as candidate. with no experience whatsoever and sort of disregard for her
policy. and. >> she didn't answer questions. >> were you entertained by her? she sounded articulate. >> i'm entertained. >> or not. >> she's not into plans and wonkiness. >> did you enjoy watching her? >> no. >> you thought it was silly. >> we aren't looking for an entertainer. we're looking for a leader. >> final question. have any of you -- we asked five weeks ago. no one was ready to say they can made a commitment. has anyone made a decision? >> no. >> do you think after tomorrow you might? >> no. >> it can be a tease for the audience. >> maybe. >> there's a lot of time. >> thank you for sticking around with us. some of the viewers might notice we had 12 people the first time. now we have nine. we didn't make three of them walk the plank and leave. they are on vacation.
we'll continue with our nine panelists. >> great. we appreciate them coming and hope the folks are having a great vacation. bringing back in our political team. it's always great to hear from people and how they view this. especially ones who have we follow debate to debate. >> that is your chris cal clear proof. crystal clear proof. they vote 187 days and go first. warren is the gross stock isn't the democratic race. i sat down with four african american undecided. three women said warren. three women said they were looking at warren. why? they like her plans and her fight. i think to the point earlier about if the democrats are thinking who can beat trump, the fight is helping there. remember, when people start to vote, we'll see what happens tomorrow night. we'll lose a lot of candidates after this. and when people -- >> how many do you think will be
gone? >> i'm going to guess that by the next debate they might be able to do it in one night. because of the qualification. one or two might say i'll camp out in iowa and new hampshire. one may try to stay in. it's very hard. it's hard to raise the money and get the visibility. doesn't mean it's impossible. you'll see the field cut in half. maybe more than that. back to the warren thing. as she grows, she's making hr case. showing fights. and because she has surprised people by raising significant money without the big kndonors she's building infrastructure isn't the states. >> it matter to sanders. you didn't hear anyone say anything positive about sanders. one woman said it's like listening to a broken record. one thing he's been running for president since 2016 non-stop every day all the time.
you see that effect. with warren, she brings her full self-to every debate. to every interview and rally. we saw that here tonight. you think about the other candidates like klobuchar. she might be good in one setting. she wasn't tonight. >> what do you make of the divide on the stage tonight? >> with the audience which is fascinating. the under card candidates who needed a break out moment. bullock and hickenlooper. ryan. delaney. they didn't get talked about. you're in iowa, and your message is new green deal doesn't work. forget it. medicaid for all will never happen. that's not working in iowa. these folks have to rethink the campaign. that's why i think it will end quickly for the candidates. that was instructive that there was no oxygen for any other
candidates beside warren and sanders. warren did a great job tonight. i loved it on the medicare for all. she talked about that. and the individual. she humanized it. made it personal. that's what separated her. >> also the word that one person used. fighter. which on the stage even if you're not agreeing with ideas of hers. she has what voters are saying an energy and fight to her. that they're not seeing in other people. >> people want to see somebody to take on trump. and want to see someone lead the party with stamina, vigor and new ideas. she was impressive sitting here. if you agree or not. golly, give it a try. what the heck. same old stuff ain't working. let's go. it's exciting. >> excitement. it's excitement. and energy. that's one of the things that differentiates her from bernie. he seems irritated when you
challenge him. i watched you all from the side press her for 15 minutes. about her ideas. >> to no avail. >> she was excited to answer the questions. even when tla were coming at her. >> sitting next to her was like sitting next to a battery. >> she was like leaning forward. she's looking at everybody like this. she's like totally committed. she's all in. like a coiled spring. and people feel like she's going to knock him out. because just the energy. >> if trump -- >> it made me feel like a sloth. >> barely hanging on. it's midnight. >> she's doing laps. >> if trump exhausts voters which he does. she can exhaust or energize. she's not new. people have seen her for quite sometime. >> i have to get break in.
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this has been quite a night. not just the debate, but how about the post-debate. elizabeth warren sitting with the cnn crew, taking their questions for about 30 minutes. it's always about the moments and what resonates, and for whom. let's talk about what came up tonight, what mattered, what the plus-minus is about different people's attempts to make a difference. beto o'rourke, he was looking to make a move on something tonight. he chose, he made different choses. but reparations for african-americans came up. here's what he said.
>> i want to acknowledge the very foundation of this country, the way we became the greatest country on the face of the planet was literally on the backs of those who were kidnapped and brought here by force. the legacy of slavery and segregation and jim crow and p suppression is alive and well. as president, i will sign into law sheila jackson lee's reparations bill so we can have the national conversation we've waited too long to have. >> a smattering of applause there. let's discuss its significance. mark preston, april ryan, also chris cilizza, good to see you. april, reparations. does it help him in party, hurt
him in a general? >> it helps him in party. it could hurt him in the general, because that's such a touchy issue. a lot of america, to include black america is not always in on this issue. but it's gaining momentum. i remember 22 years ago, bill clinton had the chance to make an apology for slavery. he didn't. the issue, if you did apologize, that meant to repair the wrong. you know? reparations. what did reparations look like, who would get them? you know, and that's kind of a slippery slope. going back to beto o'rourke tonight, when he said he would indeed sign the bill into law that sheila jackson lee has on the table, that's for establishing a commission to look at it. not saying i'm going to give you reparations. so, the devil is in the details
there. the step is coming. there's more conversation about it now. but at issue, will there be direct payments? amy klobuchar does not believe in direct payments. bernie sanders say we need to put the money into the communities. so much money has gone into the communities, but you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. >> i have to believe the president and his strategists love this. >> they're thrilled. >> yeah, because it's like base food, this left is crazy. that kind of argument. >> yeah, because what they can do, they can take what happened in this debate tonight, and cut it up into these little bite-siz bite-sized chunks, and it will work well in a 30-second ad or a quick tweet with a little bit of a video.
what we did see on the stage behind us, we saw a disagreement on how to get there. not necessarily that we need to get there, but how do we get there? >> williamson had an equation based on 40 acres and a mule, and today's dollars. >> and people talking about warren winning, i don't think it was as clear a win as her first debate. she's an able debater, with a real command of policy that comes out. that said, she was out there very much aggressively promoting when asked decriminalizing illegal immigration. if she is going to be the nominee, and i think she's one of a handful of people who can do it, that's a big, big flashing light, even for people who say what donald trump has done on the border is morally
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a very big night in democratic party politics. and tomorrow night, ten more candidates, sorry, later today, it's already after midnight eastern time, will hit the stage. and at times, the discussion turned to president trump. take a look. >> president trump has argued the united states cannot continue to be the policeman of the world. you said the exact same thing in 2016. if voters are hearing the same message from you and president trump on the issue of military
intervention, how should they expect you will be any different from him? >> trump is a pathological liar. i tell the truth. we have been in afghanistan, i think, 18 years. iraq, 16 or 17 years. we have spent $5 trillion in the war on terror. we're going to spend, the congress passed, and i will not vote for, a $715 billion military budget, more than the ten next countries combined. what we need is a foreign policy that focuses on diplomacy and the conflicts by people sitting at a table, not by killing each other. >> back now with our political team. joining us, rick santorum, who
has replaced the governor. >> who doesn't belong and why? >> it's 1:00 a.m., anything can happen. >> elizabeth warren fanatic. >> exactly. >> i'm wondering, with a bunch of democrats in the room, they start to think, oh, yeah, this is a really good idea. just for a dose of republican reality, or from the republican standpoint, what did you see tonight? >> a clear fisher, what you lead in. there's a fisher sure in the democratic party, between the sanders wing of the party and almost everybody else on the stage. i thought sanders and warren won the debate, they were much better at their positions than the people attacking them on those positions. that's the trouble for the
democratic party. you don't have a credible moderate other than joe biden. and query whether joe biden can carry the debate against warren and sanders, who are really passionate. and biden, for a lot of things, i don't think he will stack up well, any better than the people tonight did. i thought the person that did the best job was delaney, but i don't think he can fit in, in a democratic primary. as someone looking for someone to step up to do a good job, it was amy klobuchar. i don't know if it's the water in minnesota, but tim pawlenty eight years ago, he whiffed on obama care, and klobuchar just whiffed on it. >> she missed the moment. >> and it gave her the moment,
and she just collapsed. >> she does not like being confrontational. >> minnesota nice, yeah. >> the whole state does not like it. she will not make anybody be upset with her. >> and she's not making the case for what a klobuchar administration would be. i'm from the heartland, the party needs to be represented by somebody from the heartland. she doesn't have enough of a vision. >> as the guy who gave pawlenty that softball -- >> it's a cnn thing. >> i do think, i talked to the governor at length after this. his staff was furious with me. he said, of course i should have answered the question. with all due respect to senator klobuchar, if you are going to say it in a television interview, you need to say it when the person is five feet away. i'm tough enough to be president.
i disagree, and that is why. >> this was true in this debate, in the last debate she was on the stage with elizabeth warren, she had a chance to challenge here, and didn't do it. even in the televised town halls, she does not like to be confrontational in that way. and it's a liability. i'm one who believes that unrelenting pugilism is also not necessarily the way to go. but there are times when you have to draw the distinctions. if you want to be the moderate candidate, you are making the case you can win because you represent the mainstream, define what you mean, call out the positions on the other side, create a moment. and she just couldn't do it. >> she's afflicted with that disease called being a senator. and sounds like she's on the floor of the senate, this is not
an evil thing at all. but people say, it's your turn to talk. >> if she keeps it up, it will be a long term condition. >> and she compromises, works with both sides of the aisle. >> compromise, not in a negative sense. >> no. >> and that's one of the unfortunate things about this age we're in now. you have somebody, one of the most accomplished and beloved senators we have, who can get stuff done under trump, without losing any support. she's a political genius for her moment, for her state, for her time. it's a genius we need in this party, and it does not translate to this debate. >> it's consumer safety things, not the kind of things that really -- >> i wouldn't say that. >> do you think this whole debate about medicare for all, telling people they have to give
up their private insurance, sanders and warren said it's a republican talking point. but it is still, in the end, a factual thing about what will happen. is that political suicide for the democratic party? >> there are things that warren and sanders are for that are just death for the democratic party. one is getting rid of private insurance. number two, paying off people's student debt. 74% of americans don't have a college degree. 74%. the people that are out there talking about it, the working men and women who are struggling. they don't have college degrees. you're asking them to pay off the debts of people that partied through school. you're going to go to the working men and women of pennsylvania and ohio. you're going to say to the kids that went to harvard, who have all this money -- those two things. in the states they need to win,
big trouble. >> van? >> i agree with you that telling people, medicare for all, who don't want it, we're going to force you into a government program. i don't think that works. we need medicare for all for people who to want it. the school loans, yes, we'll annoy some older voters. but you have people with $200,000 in debt, they will stand in line for three hours. >> how about the guys like me who saved money, put my kids through school. and lots of parents do that. >> my parents did it. >> how about the people who paid back my student loans, and the guy who didn't -- >> here's what i say to you. >> who hung out at the bars instead of going to work. that's a loser, i'm telling you, that's a loser. >> you will be annoyed and aggrieved. but for our base of young
people, you tell them, stand in line for one hour to vote, and you'll have $100,000 worth of debt gone, they'll do it. we need them. >> and another thing that we need to pay attention to as democrats, bernie sanders makes the case about corporations and corruption and all of that. 99.7% of businesses in america are small businesses. and they want to be a big business at some time. and half of americans work for those small businesses. we need to be a little bit clearer about saying, we're not talking about the massive corporations who take advantage and have lobbyists. but the small businesses have to be ours. >> and the democrats need to talk about how the current system is rigged to prevent you, the small business, from
becoming a big business. regulations are there to prevent that leap that you want to make. we need to explain more about that. >> and elizabeth warren, one of her best moments was talking about how corporations used to care about their workers. and republicans talking about the greed is good aspect of big corporate life, they can identify with that. some things that she says makes her more attractive than bernie. bernie saying everybody in the private sector is a crook, trying to rape everybody and get as much as they can. and the only solution is to get governor control of everything. she has a softer touch when it comes to that. >> and i think the arguments are harder to make when the economy is good. and not everybody is feeling pain right now. there was a story on cnn, i
believe, the other day, or on cnn.com about people saying, you know, i'll grudgingly vote for donald trump again even though i don't like him, because i'm feeling good about my own personal economic situation. what would convince those people to shift to the democratic party? i mean, what warren and sanders are talking about is such a revolution. and they may not be in the mood for that, because they feel like they're okay right now. they don't like donald trump particularly. but just because they like bernie, are they going to vote for him? >> the trouble is, the three people on paper that were best lined up to take on that wing of the party, hickenlooper, bullock, and klobuchar -- hickenlooper would have been better off had he gotten sick
and not showed up. and bullock, it just seemed awkward. didn't seem like -- he didn't connect. maybe it was just uncomfortable. and amy, aside from swinging and missing, she just seemed nervous and uptight. she didn't -- i know her. she can really connect with people. >> that's why biden has to do it. >> she didn't connect tonight, from my perspective. which was disappointing. >> i thought pete buttigieg had a good night, he was solid, he presents really well. he's made a decision he's not going to grab that sort of center lane. he has the skill set to engage. in terms of his presence -- >> why do you think he did that? >> i think he has a different message. these are old debates, i'm the new generation candidate. and i think he thinks he can straddle the line and draw from both bases. i think he's going to have to think that through. >> yeah. there's got to be more than
that, though. more than just i'm the next generation. you have to wrap that thesis in some next generation ideas. a lot of the stuff he's talking about, he would wrap some of andrew yang's stuff into that generational thing. but i haven't heard him to that as effectively as he wants. >> and i want to play something that buttigieg said, let's listen. >> it's time to stop worrying about what the republicans will say. >> yes. >> if it's true that we embrace a far-left agenda, they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. if we embrace a conservative agenda, they're going to say we're a bunch of crazy socialists. so, let's embrace the right policy and go forward. >> that was a great line. >> let me say something about
this line. >> you didn't think it was a great line? >> i thought it was a great line. but the fact of the matter is, it's easier to win the case that you're a crazy left-wing party if you support policies that people view as crazy, left-wing policies. >> the point is, no matter who it is, they would say john delaney is crazy. >> the case is stronger if you're not supporting, for example, eliminating private insurance. >> but the case will not be made on an intellectually honest -- >> but the case is easier if the candidate is actually a socialist. >> right. >> let me tell you something about this. this is something i think is hard for people to get their brains wrapped around. i think the overuse of the terms racist and socialist have had impacts on these parties that is hard to describe. i think one of the reasons that donald trump does what he does
now, the word racist is overused. and when barack obama was being called a socialist, some of them the heritage foundation had run on, romney and mccain has run on, that takes that slur off of the table. and when grandpa tells the granddaughter, you guys want free everything, you're soci socialis socialists, this is wrong. granddaughter says, how much did you pay to go to college? 13 cents a semester? why am i a socialist? i just want what you got. and i think the socialist tag, people maybe under 35 or younger, because they called obama that so often, it doesn't
mean a thing to them. >> it's still not good for the democrats. >> it may be true about people under 30. but i'm just grounded in the world of data, okay? and if you look at polling, that is one of the most negative things. this is something that's a deal breaker for large numbers of people. this is why the president is saying it. it's not an idioleologue. he is saying it because he knows it will help him. >> let's go back to the line from buttigieg for a moment. it's a great line. we have to fight. but then he did not turn either to sanders or warren and take them on on medicare for all, or say to the moderates they're
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and welcome back. it is a late night here in detroit. i want to check in with chris cuomo in the wee sweet hours of the morning. >> old blue eyes. you've given us a great gift tonight, my friend. because april, mr. preston, mr. cilizza and i, we've been listening to your panel, and it allows us to process, and we're able to listen to the great minds, and synthesize. i want to pick up on something that april was figuring out. reparations always comes up. it can be easily processed as a
live wire for democrats. be careful. you see it differently, though, about something that needs to be explored, discussed, and owned, in order to have any authenticity with the african-american community. >> williamson, tonight, she really came in with something, saying 40 acres and a mule. if you go back and history, general sherman promised the black union soldiers who were slaves 40 acres and a mule if, you know, the president would sign off on this military order. which then-president abraham lincoln did. but the promise was never fulfilled. >> let's hear williamson. tonight, i said i'm a fan of a couple of her books. this was the first time i've heard her channel the voice she
often offers up in her writing. here's what she had to say. all right. but if we keep waiting like this, you'll think you're going to hear it. >> should we do an impersonat n impersonation? >> she had two big clapback moments. if you looked at applause analysis, when she talked about flint and how the problems of racism and economic disparity are not just synonymous -- >> she talked about infrastructu infrastructure. >> and not just flint, and owned it in a way that happens to be true, especially in flint. it resonated. she then talks 40 acres and a mule, and somebody said, what qualifies you to, and she said do the math. and then the question becomes, how do you use that money. >> and kind in a tongue in cheek
joking way, but what does that equate to today? i joke, it's a house in the potomac, but then you have white america. you called it w.a.s.p. america, how are you going to get that, and i'm still living this way? and that's the problem we have, you're going to one-up me on a mistake that happened so long ago. so many communities get apologies and reparations, yet african-americans have yet to receive an apology or any kind of repay, be it direct or a grant to the community. and we've seen the grants over the years not work in urban areas. >> just one point on williamson, because when april was talking, i was just thinking about both debates for her. in the first debate, first of all, stylistically, she's radically different than the other nine. the other nine, on a policy
perspective, they're a little bit different. but stylistically -- >> she came ready to play tonight. >> we have the sound bite. here's williamson making this point. >> we need to recognize that when it comes to the economic gap between blacks and whites in america, it's a great injustice that has never been dealt with. there was 250 years of slavery, followed by another 100 years of domestic terrorism. what makes me qualified to say this amount of money? if you did the math of the 40 acres and a mule, with 4 to 5 million slaves at the end of the civil war, and they were promised 40 acres and a mule, if you did the math today, it would be trillions of dollars. and i believe anything less than $100 billion is an insult, and
$200 to $500 billion is politically feasible today. there's a toxicity underneath the surface. >> what's interesting about that is, that argument, that what we're dealing with now has a long lineage, if another candidate said that, we would say, oh, yeah. because her tone stylistically is so different, in the first debate, i think she's right broadly about this. she said we're not going to beat donald trump with a bunch of policy plans. i think that's right, and if bernie sanders had said it or warren or harris or biden, i think there would be more head nodding than there is. >> you're discounting her because she has no political experience. but look at what we have in the
white house today. >> or maybe we don't want that mistake again, we want more experience in this party. i'm saying this in public for a reason. i'm a fan of the books. that doesn't mean they translate into effective responsibility in the white house. >> she came prepared to do it. >> yes. but it also showed a vacuum. she made a point about connecti connecting with people in need. she made a social justice argument. they're in a deep in the weeds talk about health care. but i don't know what this play will be. >> and she's a professional performer, a very smart person, knows how to play to an audience, how to hit her tones, what a good story is. i was talking to somebody who
knows her really well, she said this comes easy to her, she's used to being on the road in front of big crowds. i've seen her in the debates, had discussions with her. she comes in with a very slowed down energy. when she walks out on to the stage, she flips a switch and comes out very hard. the idea that williamson will be elected president is absolutely ludicrous. the idea that the united states government is going to cut checks on reparations, it's just not going to happen. >> that's the same argument 22 years ago. but you have chuck schumer, who is in support of cory booker's effort to have a bill to put a commission on the table to see what happens with reparations. the reparations issue is real. >> i'm saying there's not going to be somebody sitting down
stroking checks individually. it's just not going to happen. >> she's interesting individually. going back to 2016, a lot of people focus on the, let's say, five people who you think can win. and to april's point, we're no e always right. i gave you the guy in the white house. but you factor in the influence the way the other candidates who do have a chance have. >> i think reparations is a very tough issue because it's so easily mangled and distorted and turned into an us versus them thing that empowers friction when it should be fostering understanding about a lineage of pain. but there is no barack obama in
this race where he's connecting with people, and giving them a reason to believe in something better. >> buttigieg is trying that, but it still seems a little too rehearsed. >> you're right. but you have so many points for effort, you got to succeed. coming up, we'll look more at moments tonight. and where is that clock? it's almost time for debate number two. let's go to school on today to figure out tomorrow. or today. ted off his dancing shoes. luckily denture breath will be the least of his worries. because he uses polident 4 in 1 cleaning system to kill 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. polident. clean. fresh. and confident.
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they're all still talking about williamson. before the break, chris was talking about how no one was quite bringing barack obama's personality that he just brought. pete buttigieg may be trying to channel some of that. here he is talking about his age. >> so, mayor buttigieg, you just qualified. you're 37. the youngest candidate in this
field. standing next to you is the oldest candidate, bernie sanders, age 77. should voters take into consideration age when choosing a presidential candidate. >> i don't care how old you are. i care about your vision. but we have a new generation of leaders stepping up around the world. i think it's good that the prime minister of new zealand has been getting attention, she's younger than i will be if i take office. and we can have great presidents at any age. but we need the kind of vision that will win. we can't have a vision that amounts to back to normal. the reason we got this president is that normal didn't work. and we need to be able to take on the president, and take on his enablers in congress.
when david duke ran for congress, ran for governor, the republican party 20 years ago ran away from him. today, they're supporting naked racism in the white house, or are at least silent about it. and consider when the sun sets on your career, and they're writing your story, the thing you will be remembered for is whether in this moment, with this president, you found the courage to stand up to him, or you continued to put party over country. >> another great answer. >> how did he turn the age answer into an answer about republicans and their, you know, their immorality, which is what he was effectively saying. he's great at this. very, very good. >> and what he didn't do, in terms of turning to the
moderates or the progressive way? >> for me, look, i didn't watch the first debate. this is my first exposure to him. so i expected someone to be just someone in between the two. who could appeal to the left, but also, you know, was someon people who were more moderate could get comfortable with. he got as close to it without getting burned. he was throwing in with warren, he wasn't going to criticize them, he was going to throw in with sanders and warren, was going to sound just like he did, a little tougher. and i just think, again, just looking at the field, the other people on that stage who were more moderate all flopped tonight. there's only two moderates other than biden tomorrow night,
gabbert and bennett. the chances for them, not particularly good at this point. there's a huge opening for buttigieg. >> there was some recognition of that, because he did sort of artfully walk away from his position last week when he raised his hand to the decriminalization of the border. so that to me suggests he understands that that may end up being his lane. i think john's point before was good, it's not quite clear how this will all play out. but i think it's very likely that, look, his chance is most likely biden falters, there's an opening in that lane, and he is the strongest candidate to fill that opening. so, i agree with you. i wouldn't be coy about it if i were him. also, i think, i've been harping on this for some time, i think that there is, he did a little of it in that answer, which i thought was very powerful.
this country is being divided in a way that is destructive, that makes it difficult to get things done, that is dispiriting, and he can call people to something higher. i don't think he quite got there today. >> i feel like i have no idea who pete buttigieg is. to he, he comes across as earnest, but it's a practiced earnestness. when he ran for thdnc, he told e democratic party they were too invested in identity politics. now it seems like he's moved completely to the left, partly because of where the party is. but he's talking like a woke white guy at times, but other
times he doesn't sound as woke as sanders or warren. he described himself as an urban mayor for the first time. and as much as he talks about how young he is, it's also surprising that the 37-year-old in the race doesn't really understand race as well as other people in the race. like warren. this also seemed sort of new to him, even though he says he's from an urban area. and it's, like 40% people of color. >> he said the racial divide lived within him. which was a very odd way to express -- i'm assuming he's expressing that he feels it on a daily basis. >> i think he's all about vision and not about plans. he has these great sound bites, and speaks in full sentences, and has obviously got a big brain, and was great when he
talked about his electability, and when you vote for him, you will see a war veteran rather than a man who pretended to be disabled rather than serve. but where are his plans? >> gloria, i would say this. i work for a guy who got elected president. yes, we had plans. but he didn't get elected because of his plans. >> he had been a senator. we knew a little bit more about him. >> doesn't always work. >> we're going to take a quick break. we're still going strong here, even at this hour. coming up next, we'll look at the ten other candidates who will take the stage in detroit. wait, our counter clock is gone. there it is. 18:18:30. we'll be right back. it's something we take personally, and believe in passionately.
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only half the democrats have made their case here in detroit. the other half will take the stage later tonight. and we'll all be here. let's talk about it. begin at the beginning. top three tonight? >> when you say later tonight, it makes it feel really late. top three. one, i thought sanders, only because he reclaimed, if you're a liberal voter, i think the anger, the fight, there's going to be some memorable lines, i wrote the damn bill, et cetera. that will work for him because he was losing to elizabeth warning. two, steve bullock, i think people will know who he is. three, tie between warren and buttigieg. was that quick enough for you? >> yes. april? >> my win, sanders.
my place, warren, when she did that clapback on delaney -- >> like this? >> no, no, like this. that's a clapback. oh, stop. >> i think you know somebody that does that. >> you'll probably figure it out when you see them do that. >> who is your mvp? >> my mvp, she was totally different from the first debate, williamson. my psychic friend. >> presto. as they like to call me. my mvp, i'll leave to the end. i don't think there's any losers tonight unless you'll characterize a loser as, we won't see you in september. >> hickenlooper. >> i can't remember what hickenlooper said. >> you will see a spike in donations for sanders and
warren. you will see a spike in donations for buttigieg. but the mvp is us. i don't mean the four of us sitting here. >> well, that's disappointing. >> i mean the guys who built this stage, the camera operators who have been here for 14, 15 hours today, and everyone that helped make this a successful night. despite all the anger and ridiculousness i see on twitter. i think it was a good night, and the american people got something good out of this tonight. >> can i say a loser? beto o'rourke. if you were him, you have to show some life. you have to show some fight. you can't say, we're going after pete buttigieg. look out. where did that happen? he's already qualified for the third and fourth debates. i get it, he has enough money,
he's going to keep going. at some point, you have to show that you want to be in this, and you have a reason to be in it. this is another opportunity that he has missed. >> two minutes left in the block. tonight, what did we learn today that we have to see played out tonight? >> a prominent, well-polling moderate and how he articulates his vision. joe biden. because you have a lot of not well-polling articulate moderates, delaney, bullock, making the case against the liberals in the middle of the stage. tonight, it will be biden and harris, who is not the full-fledged liberal that warren and sanders are. >> april? >> tomorrow -- >> tonight. >> i know, i know. tonight, just a few hours from now, i believe that the people who really need to do something have to stand out. there will be a lot of ego on the stage. this will not be the all-white
night tonight. they'll mix it up. castro, i'm hearing he will do a clapback, booker, harris. there is blood in the water for harris and biden. and we'll see biden, he's saying he's going to have a clapback. we need our popcorn and coffee, watch it, >> coffee to popcorn is delicious. short-term winner is donald trump because he will see the democratic party fight and long-term winner is the democratic party because they need figure out as a party hot they stand for. better to happen now than in january. >> the weeding out is going to happen. >> the un thing i'd like to see
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this is the time of night where we all get a little bit punchy and we're doing it again. 18 hours. kamala harris, cory booker, just to name a few. what are we expecting for tomorrow? >> number one senator booker signalled he's can coming after former vice president biden pretty hard. does he say it on television and not deliver on the debate stage? the biggest challenge is biden who has since stabilized.
does he appear sharper, better debater and how does the health care play out? and sen itter harris just came out with her plan. it's not a bernie sanders medicare for all but it does take away your private provided insurance. is that where he pick as fight with her? >> and can kamala harris respond to an attack? we haven't seen her respond well to an attack. we'll see if she can do that tomorrow. >> she is not a fully formulated candidate yet. she is someone who has the ability. she's high on the second choice list. lots of interest in her. she has an opportunity to flesh out her message, which she needs to do. but i do think joe biden's going to be a target. when you're a frontrunner you're going to beaeringering tat and
you have a lot of people who want to attack from the left on that stage. and what we've learned and seen is that's how you get ahead in these debates and how you get noticed. we're sitting here and we've analyzed the debate. remember the last time we talked about all the implicationses of the night, by the next night, the last night was forgotten. so we have to see this next chapter to see what the total taet of the impact will be. >> i will never forget this night. >> i will see the two new yorkers going after each other. they're just going to go at everybody. >> and i think they'll go after biden. >> and if they have to go -- but i think they will be very vocal there. >> i think at this point
elizabeth warren is two for two and i'm interested to see if there's the saim kind of consistency tomorrow night. we'll see if tomorrow changes up. >> tonight no discussion at all about criminal justice reform. i guarantee that will be an issue tomorrow. because it's the main line of attack cory book feels he has on biden and an issue nof day. >> do you think biden comes out attacking booker or harris? >> look, i think he can and he certainly should. you have joe biden going to be there with literally everybody coming at him. if he can handle that much pressure and rise to the oication, it's going to -- a lot of people's concerns will go away. but he's going to be jumped on by everybody.
>> i think he sees it as a plus. >> chelsea gabered is going to go after him on iraq. bill de blasio's going to go after him on strayed. cory booker's going to go after him on criminal justice reform and julio castro is going after him on immigration he's got an integrated theory of the case. can he counterpunch and get to the high level? >> i think joe biden is going to get beat up and i think it's goteeing take a toll and the question is who's going to be there in this debate to pick up those pieces and no one dedid it this time. >> thanks for joining us everybody and thanks for joining us at home. er wherever you are, our coverage begins at 6:00 p.m. eastern.
first an encore presentation of night one. take a look. ♪ let's start with the number one isue for democratic voters, health care. senatorer sanders you support medicare for all, which would take private insurance away from 150 million americans in exchange for government-sponsored health care for aev within. congressman delaney referred to it as bad policy and called it political suicide that will just get president trump reelections. what do you say? >> you're wrong. right now we have a dysfunctional health care system.