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hello, everyone. i'm kate bouldan in detroit. thank you so much for joining me. one down and one to go. think of this, if you will, as your halftime show of sorts. welcome, we're here to entertain. last night we got a good look at the battle lines drawn in the democratic party in what was a high-energy, high-octane debate. it was a clash of progressive versus moderate, and it was on full display with senators
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bernie sanders and elizabeth warren really as the main targets. listen. >> bad policies like medicare for all, free everything, and impossible promises. >> wish list economics. >> yes, i have bold ideas, but they are grounded in reality. >> all right. the progressives responded with some fire of their own. >> so why don't we actually talk about things, big ideas that we can get done. the stakes are too high. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. [ cheers and applause ] >> cnn's phil mattingly joins me now, starting us off this hour. great to see you, phil, after a long night, short evening. didn't get personal on that stage last night, but it definitely got heated. >> yeah, no question about it. i think it underscores that there are very real policy differences inside the
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democratic party right now and inside the democratic primary. there are good reasons for people to go back and forth when they disagree on the top lines of the policy. and never was that more apparent than on the issues of health care. you have the two prime progressives, elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, center of the stage. everybody that was to the right and left of them seemed to have a target on their back. and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, as true to form, weren't willing to just sit down and take it. they were going to fight back in every way shape or form. defending their proposal of medicare for all against other options out there, mostly focused on what would be known as the public option, and that back and forth continued, particularly at the beginning of the debate, repeatedly. take a listen to this exchange between senator bernie sanders and congressman tim ryan. >> medicare for all is comprehensive. it covers all health care needs f . for senior citizens, it will finally include hearing aids and eyeglasses. second of all -- >> and you don't know that, bernie. >> i do know. i wrote the damn bill.
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>> i feel like i've had some exchanges like that with senator sanders in the hallway of the capital as well. but the framing is important. you have aspirational verse the doable. that's at the core of the fight we've seen play out in this primary. we've also seen some of the new individuals on stage last night trying to use that fight, trying to use that tension as a way to elevate themselves. take a listen to montana governor steve bullock. >> at the end of the day, i'm not going to support any plan that rips away quality health care from individuals. this is an example of wish list economics. it used to be just republicans who wanted to repeal and replace. now many democrats do as well. >> okay. i want to finish off with this. even the so-called moderates of the democratic party are far more progressive in their health care plans, the democrats were five, six, ten years ago. the actual debate over health care has moved to the left, no question about it.
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but how far left they want to go, that was the crux of the debate last night, and we're going to see more of that tonight, no question about it, kate. >> absolutely. great to see you, phil. thank you so much. all right. much more to discuss right now. joining me now is a former democratic congressman from illinois, luis gutierrez, former obama white house communications director, jen psaki, former new orleans mayor mitch landrieu, and former member of the south carolina state house, bakari sellers. he's also endorsed kamala harris. i one day aspire to have as long of an introduction as you. >> we're all former. >> so that means you can actually tell me the truth. mayor, let's start with you because the hazing begins as you're our new political commentator. the clash of progressive versus moderate. if that is really what we saw play out last night, what did you learn from it? what did you see? >> first of all, i was really excited about the debate. as you said, it was very
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aggressive, but it wasn't personal. i thought that was a good display. secondly, it's perfectly fine for people to argue about where they're going. the bigger idea, especially on health care, is republicans right now are trying to take everybody's health care away from them. the democrats are arguing, you know, what the best way is to make sure everybody in america has it. i like that side of the debate. the details are going to get worked out over time. the voters are going to decide how far left, how far middle, or how far right they're going to go. i was pretty pleased with the debate. i think governor bullock showed up for the first time last night. people are talking about him today. i think he helped himself a little bit. >> absolutely. i want to ask about bullock in a second. but our friend angela rye had a bar, if you will, that she would judge last night as a great debate if she could remember three names on that stage come this morning. so with that being the standard, other than elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, was it a great debate? what three names are standing out? uh-oh, not a great debate.
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>> i think that bullock speaks for a large swath of the party. and it's more than the twitter folk want to give it credit for. there are a lot of voters in the democratic atmosphere that think like steve bullock. and he was able to introduce himself as someone who's won before in a trump state. i think marianne williamson is a name people are popping up for good, better, worse. i don't think she's going to win a primary. but she did add something and gave what i believe to be the most comprehensive, robust answer on the issue of race. that's only two. i know ryan, i know hick. i can't remember who else was on stage last night. >> there's all you need to know. >> they didn't necessarily have stand-out moments. i guess to angela's point, we had a few who were missing. >> jen, another big question going into last night was would bernie sanders, would elizabeth warren clash? would they take an opportunity to really draw contrast between themselves? that did not happen. i want to know from your
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perspective, do you think that was smart or a missed opportunity? >> it was great for elizabeth warren because going into that debate last night, she was on the rise. now, you can argue some of it was bernie's support. some of it was support of others, if you look at her coalition. however, she's presenting herself as a better version of bernie sanders. and she did some pretty savvy things. she's quite good at debating. one, on the medicare for all question and health care, she kind of wriggled herself out of it. she said, oh, no, it won't be -- taxes won't be raised on the middle class. she didn't really give details. the truth is, she's not a medicare for all purist. she could have used that as an opportunity. i think going in, she wanted to be seen as the progressive mantle coming out of it. for bernie sanders, he did better than he did in the first debate, but if you're looking for a progressive to be your nominee, to follow, to pay attention, to watch their speeches, why would you pick bernie sanders over elizabeth warren? i think that's the problem for him coming out of the debate.
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>> one moment that i think stood out to me was a moment between elizabeth warren and steve bullock. it was all about who's playing into donald trump's hands, and it all had to do with immigration. let me play that for everybody. >> and a big part of how we do that is we do not play into donald trump's hands. he wants to stir up the crisis at the border because that's his overall message. >> but you are playing into donald trump's hands. the challenge isn't that it's a criminal offense to cross the border. the challenge is that donald trump is president and using this to rip families apart. >> i found that really fascinating, that it seemed at that moment, and maybe it really is a statement that the democratic party is struggling with what plays into donald trump's hands and what doesn't when it comes to the 2020 election. what do you think? >> i think the democratic party is setting itself as a party of
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immigrants, right. it's a party of what america looks like. a transformational party. it's a different party. i remember joining the congress with bill clinton. bill clinton's playbook was let's demonize immigrants. and he did. i remember working so hard to elect barack obama and having such trouble in getting him to pick up the mantle of immigrant rights, which eventually, i have to say, he did, and i'm so thankful to him. i think that he also, through his actions, changed the party eventually. so look, the party is growing. the problem is immigration is -- >> what plays into donald trump's hands here? >> what plays into donald trump's hand is this, when we don't explain ourselves clearly. i opposed obamacare almost until the last moment because it didn't include undocumented
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immigrants. why? because it didn't let undocumented immigrants buy into the program. i wasn't looking for undocumented immigrants to have something that american citizens didn't have. no, i just said if an american citizen gets to buy into obamacare and pay into obamacare, so should immigrants that are working if they're undocumented. we've changed that today. but if we don't explain that, then donald trump wins because he gets to say, look at those democrats. he wants those immigrants, the ones that just recently crossed the border to have free health care when you don't have anything. that's not the truth about the democratic position. >> and that was one of the first things in the first debate he jumped on so quickly. on steve bullock, he made a strong case for a moderate position. he's got -- i said it yesterday, he does have the special sauce in one sense. he's the one guy or gal on the stage who won in 2016 in a state that trump won by 20 points. does it make you wish he got in the race sooner? >> he probably would have helped
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himself if he would have gotten in early. what he was representing was a pragmatic, thoughtful view about how you actually get things done and win and trying to make the case between ideology and actually happening, there was big blowback both ways. what was most interesting is it was delaney that got the most air time with warren, but we're talking about bullock this morning. he must have done something right. i want to go back to what jen said. she makes an excellent point. the herd has got to start thinning. if you're a progressive and that's where you want to go, why would you be for bernie rather than elizabeth? all the sudden bullock and biden. we'll see tonight actually who won the debate last night. looks like elizabeth warren really outperformed everybody. at the same time, we'll see what tonight brings, which is going to be a much more diverse field. they'll have the benefit of watching last night's debate and having a little bit more time to prepare for some of the difficult answers. but biden is standing there in
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the middle where bullock is. you can't have both of them. >> does last night's debate change the stakes for joe biden in tonight's debate? >> actually, i think at the beginning of the debate, joe biden is going to have somewhat of an advantage because i do think even as a kamala harris supporter, the biggest bulls-eye on her back is health care. we saw there was 35 minutes dedicated to health care last night. it doesn't give you an opportunity just to give a little flippant answer and move on. she's going to have to be firm in that answer, stick to it, and stand her ground in that answer. so i do think she'll be okay taking attacks from the senator, but she's going to have to do that. the question about joe biden is two things. one, will joe biden have moments where he disappears like amy klobuchar and beto did last night? and two -- and i want to be extremely politically correct and cautious when i say this -- can he sustain that level of energy that bernie sanders did last night for 2 1/2 hours?
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i mean, that's a question. if he does it, he knocks it out of the park. if at any time he looks fatigued, looks tired, people ask those questions. >> i think health care will come up again tonight, obviously. but look, i think we have to -- we're having a discussion and a debate in america whether we're going to be incremental or transformational when it comes to health care. i'm for the transformational. here's why. i don't think health care -- you can't say health care should be a basic fundamental human right and then equate it to a business. it's either one or the other. look, if civil rights were a business, i'd be out of business. >> that doesn't mean it's the only answer. >> i'm sorry for coming on the program and bringing a different point of view. >> don't be sorry. we all love it. >> health care is a basic fundamental human right, and i
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want to say to the mayor, welcome. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> we're happy you're here. everybody should agree with this, but i think democrats do. all the democrats who are running, including joe biden, want to build on what we already have. they want to expand access and lower costs. it's a benefit in going second. >> i want you to finish, please, but amy klobuchar had that line last night. we're trying to win the argument instead of trying to win the election. there's something to that. >> yes, i think that's exactly right. part of what i think joe biden or anyone on the stage tonight can look at last night and learn from is there was a lot of defensiveness from a number of the candidates on the stage. we don't remember some of them as a result. but if you're joe biden, you should go out there and say, i am proud to be building on the affordable care act and proud to be pushing for the public option because more people should have access. that's where the majority of the american public are. it's not the job of candidates
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to say this is where people are when that's not aligned with what any polling is telling us. that's sometimes where it's heard and read the wrong way. >> but i think elizabeth and bernie -- look, they're not watching the polls. >> yes, they are! >> you cannot on the one hand argue that they're not with the mainstream and then on the other hand say that they are. here's what i like to say. i would like to say, look, i think it should be transformational, and i think it should be a basic human fundamental right. >> and everybody agrees on that. >> we're all in agreement. >> they had coffee on that side. me and the mayor just hanging out. >> you're having cocktails. this is how we roll. thank you, guys. appreciate it. all right. coming up for us and cocktails continue. the road to the white house runs through the great state of michigan, of course. coming up on the show, the mayor of detroit will be joining us. he just made a big endorsement of joe biden. and he'll tell us what he thinks joe biden needs to do tonight and also what any democrat needs
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welcome back. we're live from detroit, michigan, where the city is gearing up for round two of the democratic presidential debates live on cnn tonight. very soon we're going to start seeing the candidates arriving right here to downtown to the historic fox theater behind me for their final walk throughs before tonight's big event. front runner joe biden will be at center stage, flanked by senators kamala harris and cory booker. biden has his work cut out for him tonight. a lot of anticipation. he was widely criticized for a lackluster debate performance last month. so will detroit mean boom or bust for the former vice president this time? joining me right now is the mayor of this fabulous host city, detroit mayor mike duggan. he endorsed joe biden last week.
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thank you so much for being here. >> glad you're in town. >> detroit has been putting on a good show for us this week. >> it feels great. as you know, detroiters love visitors. >> exactly. come back and come back often. you were in there last night. what did you think? >> you know, i was shocked at how much substance there was. before i was the mayor, i ran the major hospital system here for nine years, and the in-depth conversation on the health care side and delaney's grasp on health care i was very impressed with. probably doesn't play with most of the base, but i was impressed as they went from subject to subject, how serious it was. >> yeah, they got into a lot of substance last night, a lot of policy. you endorsed joe biden last week, right? he is still the front runner, but he was not mentioned once during the debate, which surprised me because i thought he was going to be a main target. the fact that he was not mentioned last night in the debate, the vice president, do you think that's a win for joe biden, or is it a sign of
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trouble? >> i think what matters to the vice president is how he does tonight. i said to you earlier, when i did tv debates with one opponent in a mayor's race, it was an enormous amount of prep. he walks in knowing nine people are planning shots at him and has to figure out how to handle all of them. i think he's probably more ready for it this time than he was a month ago. >> and biden told supporters at a fundraiser here in detroit last week that this time he wasn't going to be so polite when it came to the debate. what do you think that looks like? what's your advice for him? >> you know, he will become president if he's nominated because he focused on the lower and middle class, people who just want the chance to get training, work harder, and raise their standard of living. it's the whole message that the democratic party missed in 2016. and if he stays on that, he'll be fine. if he gets pulled back into what happened 30 or 40 years ago, that's probably not his best area. >> do you think he needs to make
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the case -- he needs to take on the case made by warren and sanders, like take on the progressive case that was made last night, or do you think in reaching out to those voters you're talking about, do you think it's better to continue to focus on donald trump and making the case against him? >> you know, i was here as the affordable care act got rolled out. 100,000 detroiters have health insurance today because of obamacare that didn't have it f five years ago. i think for the vice president to stay on the success of obamacare and build on the success instead of, you know, trying to take your health care away from 160 million private citizens, including all the uaw workers, i think he's on the right place. if he's on those issues. and i think he will be. he's very proud of what the obama administration accomplished and his role in it. and he always focuses on how we're going to create opportunities for people who had the deck stacked against them. hopefully that's what he's going to talk about. >> let's talk about the city for a second, if we could. this week a mayor of another major american city, baltimore,
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maryland, he was faced with having to defend his city in the face of an attack by the president, who said no human would want to live there, that it's rat infested and a mess. baltimore has seen hard times. so has detroit. what did you think when you heard president trump say that? >> you know, as a candidate, donald trump was here during the campaign talking about how he was going to do things for cities and do things for detroit and he was a builder. since he's been president, he hasn't been back. so you know, i thought it's really unfortunate that what we've got is a president who's dividing us as opposed to what he said he was going to do when he was running. >> detroit is now six years out of bankruptcy and making real strides. we can throw stats and numbers out there, but all you have to do is walk down woodward to see the progress really being made. what have you guys in detroit done right, and how do you make sure that everyone here is part of that recovery? >> the unemployment rate has
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gone from 19% to 8% in the last five years. so you felt the difference, but we had fallen so far that it wasn't going to be one thing. so you know, nationally, the millennials are moving into urban areas. and we've taken advantage downtown with google and microsoft and linkedin coming in. but we also have become the innovation center of the future of the auto industry. ford motor company is moving its entire automated vehicle, electric vehicle operation into the train station area with 5,000 jobs designing cars of the future. google's self-driving operation is now based in detroit. of course, chrysler has just landed -- is building now the first assembly plant outside of the south in a decade on the east side of detroit with 5,000 jobs for folks who might have a high school degree and willing to get trained to do them. so our strategy to come back is appeal to the millennials and the kind of jobs they are, appeal to jobs of the future in the auto industry, and also land the kind of manufacturing jobs
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that made detroit so successful in the first place. if we continue to do all those things well, detroit is going to be just fine. >> detroit's looking pretty good right now. thank you, mayor. it's great to be here. it's going to be great to see the progress continuing. thank you so much. >> glad to have you here. >> really appreciate it. see you on the trail. coming up for us, marianne williamson was on the outer edge of the debate stage last night, but she still managed to get some moments in the spotlight. what she said on the debate stage still has a lot of people talking today. live from detroit, we'll be right back. has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today.
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just say "brett young" into your x1 voice remote. i think if you're going to force americans to make these radical changes, they're not going to go along. throw your hands up, but you haven't -- oh, i can do it! >> that was one of the more interesting moments of last night's debate. theatrical, for sure, between senator bernie sanders and former colorado governor john hickenlooper. they were sparring over what became the major theme of the night, liberal idealist versus moderate pragmatist. we all know that these debates include a lot of strategy and a whole lot of preparation ahead of time, identifying the moment that you can capture, being able to deliver on it then under the bright lights. how do you do it and how did they do last night? joining me right now is a very well-known debate coach, brett
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o'donnell, who has advised candidates like mitt romney, john mccain, among many others. it's great to see you again. >> good to be with you. >> so let's jump into this. you agree with the conventional opinion that elizabeth warren maybe was most successful last night. let me play for our viewers what you saw as one of her strongest lines, her take on the whole debate, the back and forth among democratic candidates over medicare for all. >> we are not about trying to take away health care from anyone. that's what the republicans are trying to do. and we should stop using republican talking points in order to talk with each other about how to best provide that health care. >> brett, why did this work so well? >> well, because it reframed the debate. you know, most primary debates, to be successful in a primary debate, you've got to look like the leader, not the person who's bickering back and forth with
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the team. people are looking for the champion of the team, not the person who's going to kill all the other players. so you want to find that moment where you can get outside, reframe the debate against the audience, against the enemy. elizabeth warren was able to do that, in that moment, to say let's stop using republican talking points. now, i might have differences with her on policy, but in terms of debate strategy, that was a good one. >> debates are often about creating these moments. you think that marianne williamson was quite successful in doing that when she was talking about racial inequality. let me play some of that for the viewers. >> this is part of the dark underbelly of american society. the racism, the bigotry, and the entire conversation that we're having here tonight. if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred this
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president is bringing up in this country, then i'm afraid the democrats are going to see very dark days. >> again -- >> what did you see there? >> a very effective moment for her. first of all, you know, i don't think she'll be the nominee, but she had two of the biggest moments in the debate last night. she drew the biggest applause throughout the entire debate with both of her lines on flint, michigan, and on reparations and race. the reason for that is if it was the battle between the ideologues and the pragmatists, no one was at the far poll better than she was in terms of being an ideologue. so that ability to say, hey, look, here's who we are, and define what it means to be a democrat was a big moment for her in the debate last night. it's why she turned up to be the most searched candidate after the debate. >> let's jump ahead and look at
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tonight's debate, brett. i want to ask you about joe biden's june debate performance, by all accounts underwhelming, lackluster how so many people described it. he said that he's not going to be so polite this time, is how he's putting it. what would your advice be in prepping a candidate like biden? does he need to come out on attack and attack early and often? >> no, absolutely not. in fact, it's not about being less polite. it's about being ready. and joe biden just wasn't ready for his last debate. tonight he better be an effective counterpuncher. he needs to know how to take an attack and rejoin that attack and counterpunch and turn an argument. there were lots of missed opportunities for him. it seemed as though he was pulling a george h.w. bush and didn't really want to be on the stage. my time is up, i'm out of time he said a couple times. tonight he's got to seem like he's engaged and ready to
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counterpunch. but it doesn't mean being more, at least, angry. it means being a little more aggressive in terms of how he counterpunches. it means pushing a message. he's selling himself as the person who's ready to take on donald trump, yet in that debate, he wasn't really ready to take on anyone. >> yeah, i did find it noteworthy, and a lot of people noted it, that one thing you saw there was last night there was energy, it was heated, there were clashes, but it wasn't personal. and that's something that i think we could all take something away from. that should carry on through all the debates. zbraet great to see you, brett. thanks so much. >> good to be with you. in case you didn't hear it the first and second and third time, michigan is key in 2020. before anyone tries to win here, they have to win -- they have a couple other states they need to go through, including iowa. what voters in that crucial first caucus state have to say about night one of the cnn
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welcome back, everybody. we have been talking all week about how no matter who the democratic nominee is, michigan is critical if they want to win back the white house. it's the heart of the battleground in 2020. but before any democratic candidate makes it here to
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michigan, they first need to make it through another midweste midwestern state, iowa and the iowa caucuses. so what are those key voters taking away from last night's debate? let's go there. vanessa, what are you hearing? what did they think? >> reporter: hi, kate. as much pressure was on the candidates last night to perform well, voters here in iowa were feeling the pressure as well about who to pick to vote for, for president. even as the iowa caucuses are six months away now. i spoke to some of them. they said everyone did really well last night, making their decision even harder. iowans get a lot of visits from the democratic field. >> we've seen them all from bernie to joe. they've all been here. >> but voters here at a watch party in cedar rapids were eager to hear more from the candidates.
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>> i want to hear about women's rights. i want to hear about race relations. and i want to hear about climate change. >> reporter: beto o'rourke resonated with some voters here, talking tariffs and farmers. >> the question was about tariffs, and they're a huge mistakes. farmers in iowa and across the country are bearing the brunt of the consequences. >> it hits home with almost anybody. you can ask anybody you work with. oh, yeah, my uncle's a farmer. farming is our state. so it's huge. >> reporter: elizabeth warren was a standout in the crowd. >> i feel like warren really did. it felt like no matter where pressure was coming from, where different topics were coming from, she was able to handle it and take it up a few notches from that too. >> reporter: the campaigns sending their representatives here too, making what could be last-ditch efforts to connect with voters. >> i think the stakes are much higher. and i think people like delaney,
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although i think he's a very decent man, i think his own people are saying it's time to step back. and i think a lot of them will step back if they don't knock it out of the ballpark. >> reporter: with stakes running high, some candidates lagging in the polls were able to shine. >> i've actually been impressed with some of the things that marianne williamson has been saying. this is my first opportunity to really hear what she's had to say on certain issues. while there's not a lot of specifics, she's definitely, i think, speaking to the values and the morals of the country. >> reporter: even after a nearly three-hour debate, picking a front runner got even harder for some. >> frankly, it's overwhelming. i think sometimes i'm almost going to the point where i'm thinking, who can i eliminate rather than who can i elect. >> reporter: as for tonight, voters we spoke to say they're eyeing that matchup between joe biden and kamala harris to see if they go head to head just like they did in their previous
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debate. and kate, as for when we're going to hear from voters about who their favorite might be, do not hold your breath. we're probably going to have to wait until after september's debate when there's simply less candidates to choose from. kate? >> that is a very good point. we'll ask, nonetheless, as we always do. great to see you, vanessa. thank you. coming up for us, the ten candidates facing off tonight are about to start arriving to the fox theater behind us. you're seeing inside the debate hall right now. they're going to be starting to do their final walk throughs. they had the benefit of watching last night, of course, before they take the stage tonight. so what is tonight going to look like? we're live in detroit. we'll be right back. [ alarm beeping ] wake up! there's a lot that needs to get done today. small things. big things. too hard to do alone things. day after day, you need to get it all done. and here to listen and help you through it all is bank of america.
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welcome back, everyone. we're live in detroit, michigan, hours away from the second cnn democratic presidential debate. round two featuring the front-runner, joe biden. soon the candidates will be arriving to check out the stage, get a feel for where they're going to stand, how it's going
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to feel once lights goes on tonight. what is everyone watching for? harry anton in and john are her. >> the difference is biden and kamala harris really do straddle those two camps even while their opponents try to push them into one or the other. the last debate hangs heavy over this. in the motor city, joe biden has to show he has the focus and the fire to deserve to be the front-runner. a couple of miles off the fastball, folks are going to pounce. >> another difference about tonight is that tonight there is the most diversity in the race. something to definitely watch is biden standing in between two candidates who have targeted him most, cory booker, kamala harris, and racial inequality
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could be a very big discussion in this debate. where are the numbers around race that people should remember when they hear this? >> this is a political atmosphere dominated by the president of the united states. a majority of voters nationwide and certainly a majority of democrats around the united states believe the president is a racist. the majority of voters believe the president is racist. i went back to 1968. george wallace, compared to the current president of the united states by vice president joe biden. more voters say the president is a racist more than george wallace. >> can we time out how crazy that is? he really began a lot of these conservative populous politics. the south voted democrat 100 years before lincoln. for donald trump to be in that position poll wise is a cry for help. he can call himself the least racist person on earth, with air quotes all day long.
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american people are saying differently because of his actions. never did someone in the white house intentionally try to divide americans by race this way. >> when we see a new poll come out, we saw from the last debate, harry, that debates have an impact on the polls. you can see a boost but you can also see a settle. right? >> right. it's about capitalizing on the momentum. joe biden was at about 30% in the national polls before the last debate, then dropped in the mid 20s. a few polls out over the last few days have him in the 30s. kamala harris went up into the high teens after the last debate and settled back into the low teens. that's better than she was at the start but still a lot of candidates will go after each other tonight. there could be a change in the polls but hold on a little bit. wait a little bit. see beyond that initial bounce whether those bounces actually hold. >> debates still matter. >> they matter. they're fun. they're great television. >> and that perception will h d
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at xfinity, we're here to make life simple. easy. awesome. so come ask, shop, discover at your xfinity store today. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. democratic debate night two right here in detroit. vice president joe biden center stage looking to reassert himself as front-runner, rebutting the case last night made by the party's leading liberals. plus, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders team up to make their case for big and bold. and

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