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fect find at a price to match, on your own schedule. you get fast and free shipping on the things that make your home feel like you. that's what you get when you've got wayfair. so shop now! i'm brianna keilar. it's fight night in the motor city. round two from the cnn democratic debates in detroit. night one was all about the progressives versus the moderates. senators bernie sanders and elizabeth warren fiercely defending their ideologies, and tonight ten more democratic candidates will take the stage, including the two who had the most contentious moment at the last debate. joe biden, the front-runner, and senator kamala harris. this time the former vice
president said he will stand up for himself, vowing to bel less polite when it comes to defending his record. senator kamala harris will be standing on the same stage for the first time since she criticized him to his face on bussing. he and several other candidates fight to stay in the race in the do or die debate. ana cabrera is live inside the debate hall where some of the candidates are starting to arrive for their walk-throughs. what can we expect, ana? >> andrew yang just arrived to do his walk-through today. let me step aside. he's behind the podium, getting a real feel for the space ahead of tonight's debate. businessman and entrepreneur, running on the plan to give every american adult a $1,000 a month. that is his sell. he calls it his freedom dividend. his campaign hopes to have a lot more time to talk about that tonight. he was the candidate who the
least amount of time, just 2:50 last time. he will be on stage alongside kamala harris, hoping to get more air time. kamala harris will be center stage with joe biden and a lot of anticipation about dynamics between those two after the confrontation last time around. joe biden's campaign is saying he plans to come out, be more aggressive. they think he was too polite in the first match-up here. he is anticipating multiple attacks but also wants to take his case to president trump. that's been part of his strategy since the day he entered the race. he wants to own the electability argument and right now the polls are on his side. harris saw an initial boost in the polls after that first debate. her numbers are since come down when asked what her plan is for tonight. she told our kyung lah it's to not mess up. campaign staffer told me they're not going to telegraph her strategy for tonight but her preparation has been similar to
the first time and it worked for her. she has been in detroit the past couple of days, had a date night with her husband, going to dern and a concert. she will be on stage near cory booker and julian castro. booker has been going after joe biden on race issues leading up to tonight's debate. julian castro had a moment in the first round of debates, talking on immigration, taking on beto o'rourke. and he will try to make his case tonight to get a little more support. all these candidates, of course, had an opportunity to see the dynamics of debate night one. that maybe gives them a better feel for the debate format, how the issues were addressed in night one. it's a new cast of candidates. we can expect some surprises, brianna. >> indeed. maybe a surprise even from andrew yang. he is pretty close here to qualifying for the next debate. joining me now to discuss this,
contributing op-ed writer for "the new york times," and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson, a new book coming out soon "jay-z made in america." let's talk about the joe biden change that he's trying to make an adjustment from last time. he was clearly worried he would be too aggressive. but he's not going to be polite this time. what do you think that means? >> last time he was defensive when he needed to be empathetic, right? and he was weak when he had to be aggressive. he was all over the place. did he not look presidential. he looked like he was unsure, unsteady, remarkable, considering out of the 20, 30rks 40 candidates that are running. >> 4,000 now. >> 4,000 candidates that are running, he had the most experience. interesting for him. if he does go aggressive and hits really hard, i think he will lose some of that momentum
with black voters and also women voters who recognize that his -- the defensiveness when it came to the crime bill, bussing, working with segregationists, it turned people off. he has to act -- wait for t i'm going to use the word. presidential tonight and mod late that performance and i hope he will play to win and convince americans why they should vote for him. not because he can win the ordinary american in the rust belt but because he's the president for all of us. >> pick the moment. pick the response. respond appropriately. right? >> he has some things going for him. >> the main debate was about elective ability. he gets the redo tonight with
kamala harris that he can prepare for easily. watch the tape, figure out what you could have done differently. it won't be exactly but in that sense he doesn't have to go to a totally different debate. that will look very similar for him f you're his strategist behind the scenes, you're very happy with your draw tonight, happy you're not up against warren and sanders and you want the redo. >> i wanted this redo, though, because you see kamala harris, she had that moment, the big moment even of the two nights. she didn't get a bounce, though, among black voters really, which might have been what she needed. joe biden is still very solid. does she need to change her approach, focus on electability, focus on her policies? >> it may dictate the terms of the debate am part. since we have a horrendous figure as racist in chief as president of the united states of america, that sets the tone.
the president of the united states has so vigorously prosecuted a case, a war against baltimore, against african-americans, latinos and every other in this country that what kamala harris needs to do, i think, is focus on carries against that, that thrusts against that, and then she proves her electability. as sarah just said, he has his case in store. he has been the vice president for eight years. i've done what i've done. let me stretch out and tell you why i should be president of the united states of america. kamala harris has proved people will never vote for someone because she will come out and vigorously talk about what have i done for
you lately? it has to be about affiliation forged in the trenches of politics that you're willing to stand up and defend the very people being buffeted by this viciousness that's going on. >> how do you think it's changing, compared to the last debate on these candidates pitting themselves against trump as opposed to pitting themselves against each other? what do you think? >> i think the soul of the country is at stake in 2020. i really believe that. i think people are realizing it's not just about policy anymore. it's about literally the battle for the identity of this country. that's what 2020 is going to be about. what trump did in the last two weeks has been doing his entire career is go all in with white nationalism, right? 13-second chant in north carolina, send her back. send her back. the attacks on baltimore, attacks on our colleague, don lemon. surprise, surprise, notice a trend? people realized we're going to call him out aggressively. all the candidates did. not only in this hateful vision
of america, we're now going to side step and give you a broad new vision. that's the calculus. not just about policy but what is your vision for 2020 and the future? these are the policies that will get us there and who is the most bold and offensive and aggressive on these policies? who will be a fighter and not just court some of the voters but all of the voters. that's the shift today from yesterday and from the last two weeks. >> sara, we've seen -- we know. the people we're looking at tonight because they have a lot at stake, because they're front-runners, let's say, but there are a lot of people who, this is it. it's like final death, right? who are you watching who need something tonight to get into the next debate? >> more than half the people we're watching right now would not be in the next debate. probably in the end we'll have about 10 make it through to the next debate.
that means ten of these folks, tonight their last night or last night was their last night. senator gillibrand came in with what we assume would be more momentum and it just never happened. amy klobuchar from last night in a similar situation and they're not moving forward. bill de blasio. who knows where -- i don't think that's happening. stop trying to make fetch happen. >> you go to school, look around. half the people here will not be here when you graduate. but i think going back to brother ali's point, look how people tried to characterize marianne williamson, preacher and spiritual adviser. what she was speaking to when she talked about psychic darkness, she's talking about forces beyond politics. this transcends political party. indeed we're fighting for the soul of the nation and a prevision that prevails. donald trump brilliantly with
evil, i might add, has divided the americans from the nonamericans, patriots from nonpatriots and his litmus test has prevailed. these figures need to say no, america is bigger, broader, more profound than what this man has reduced it to and we are american, too, and we are fighting for those who have a vision in common with us. that spiritual, plus that political is something that needs to be combined. >> thank you, guys. we can talk about it more. you guys are the best and i'm going to have you stick around. >> wow! marianne williamson's answer on race and reparations. with so many older candidates in the race, is age the issue? you'll be hearing the view from the youngest candidate. kamala harris and joe biden's arrivals to the debate hall. we'll see them live. this is cnn's special coverage. so bob, what do you take for back pain? before i take anything, i apply topical pain relievers first.
hall. we are actually expecting some of these candidates to be doing their walk-throughs here. we'll be going back to take their look. >> sure. >> as they do walk through live. i wanted to let our viewers now. thank you for joining us. you are watching this so intensely. the candidates took on president trump last night and also went after each other's policies. is the latter helpful, the in-fighting? what do you think? >> i don't know that i call it in-fighting. i call it spiritual debate. we're having a discussion about how to get the last 10% or so and there are undeniably, bri a. in na, differences of opinion. i think that's healthy for the party. voter also figure out which pathway do you think works best for you, your family and for our nation? and they'll make that choice. you go back to july of 2007, there was a spirited debate between, you know, barack obama and hillary clinton about a number of important issues, including but not limited to the
war in iraq. that debate was spirited. we won. we'll come back and do the same thing here. >> i want our viewers to know we're looking at jay inslee, is that right? my monitor is far away from here. washington state governor, inside the debate hall about to do his walk-through. we'll be keeping our eyes on that. secretary, you say it's not in-fighting. you say it's spirited debate. you had moderate candidates calling medicare for all, quote, bad policy. something that would rip away quality health care and, quote, wish list economics was how the more liberal candidates' policies were described. elizabeth warren called those republican talking points. she's not saying this is spirited debate. she's saying democrats are using republican talking points.
>> if you go back to the primaries you'll see similar conversations in the debate. everybody agrees on this we saw it last night. we're all trying to get from where we are now, pretty far up the mountain to universal health care. and that is the holy grail. we have undeniable differences of opinion, strong differences of opinion on how best to get there. we'll have this debate tonight. i'm confident, i'm certain we'll talk about it again tonight. and then we'll have the voters decide. that will very much dictate the party on this. to the viewers i'll say watch carefully. you'll see the other side wants to take us back to the bottom of the mountain. if you have a pre-existing condition, they want you to be out of luck. they're not doing a damn thing about prescription drug costs. we want to fix all this. we have different ideas but we're all trying to move up the
mountain not down the mountain. >> above all you want a democrat and voters to choose, you're offering them different products. certainly there was a lot of contrast last night and you want to see that again tonight. you want a candidate who can beat donald trump. with that in mind, what do you want these candidates going into this debate tonight to have in their mind? >> to focus on the issues and core values. core values are very, very straightforward. we believe health care is a right for all not a privilege for the few. we believe the economy should work for everybody, not just a few at the top. we believe that america is at its best when we're united, not divided. and the differences between us and this president couldn't be greater. we want to tackle the crisis of climate change and they want to deny the science. we want to tackle the public health epidemic that is gun violence and they're sewn into the pocket of the nra. the differences in values.
our north star is different than their north star. donald trump's north star is i want to help people like me. the democrats' north star is that they want everybody to have access to the opportunity and the american dream. it's a really big difference. we're at this moral fork in the road in our nation's journey to form a more perfect union. that's why these debates are so critically important. >> tom perez, thank you for joining us. from fairy tale economics to dark psychic forces, plenty of witty one liners but were there any standouts among the crowded field? plus 40 acres, a mule and somewhere between $200 and $500 billion. the discussions on reparations that's getting a lot of attention. grab some pens. would shakespeare have chosen just "some pens?" methinks a tul pen would serve m'lady well. thanks. and a unicorn notebook! get everything on your list. this week's doorbuster- school backpacks for $10;
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anybody goes to all the trouble to run for president of the united states to just talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for. >> for senior set stens it will finally include dental care, hearing aids and eyeglasses. >> you don't know that, bernie. >> second of all -- i do know. i wrote the damn bill. >> bad policies like medicare for all, free everything, and impossible promises that will turn off independent voters and get trump re-elected. >> what do you say to congressman delaney? >> you're wrong. >> i think if we're going to force americans to make these radical changes, they're not going to go along. throw your hands up. but you have -- >> congressman delaney, i'm coming to you now. your estimated net workt worth is more than $65 million. that would make you subject to senator warren's proposed tax cuts on the richest 75,000 homes or so. >> thank you, senator sanders.
congressman, your response? >> i would just say, i didn't say we couldn't get there until 2040, bernie. you don't have to yell. >> if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then i'm afraid that the democrats are going to see some very dark days. >> all right. let's talk about all of this with sarah isker and michael eric dyson. i love the concentrated version of the debate. all the moments. >> that's it. >> none of the blander parts in between. so this is, though, very important to look at. this is the internal debate that you are seeing. and it is playing out on stage. what do we think about this? >> first of all, i think it's important that democrats show the world that you can have vigorous debate. the republicans are lining up behind a man that is a clear bigot, don't make a distinction between their variety of americanism versus his whereas
the democrats are saying, look, there is a war going on. and it's between progressives and moderates and liberals and radicals. and that's a good thing to have, we can show varieties of opinion, alternative viewpoints and at the same time say that the end goal still is not only to beat donald trump but to put forth a vision that is connected to people where they live. and, look, i know they -- i'm from detroit. i was glad to see marianne williamson mention if the flint crisis was going on in gross point, very elite suburb, it wouldn't be treated the same way as flint was. she has not only a kind of spiritual projection but has a rooted imparkal politics as well. >> that was an interesting point. it's always interesting to see how they tie it to the place they are physically. who did better? >> they got to talk about electability and debate that,
dig into it. at the same time doorks debate progressive issues, something we haven't seen and that the party, particularcally democratic primary voters, they wanted that debate. i think they got the best version of it. it was healthy, spirited and got to issues but also got to some of these higher ideals. democratic primary voters, big winner. >> i co-sign everything. but my one disagreement is warren. warren stood out. she was bold about her vision, contrasted it to trump's vision of hate, tied it to her personal story, very important. i'm a midwestern girl. i came from oklahoma. i didn't have much. but the country helped me. they gave me resources that allowed me to rise up. i want to give everyone those resources. then she doubled down on her policies. she didn't take the bait. she had that killer moment where she destroyed john delaney. >> i don't understand why anybody goes to all the trouble of running for president of the united states just to talk about what we really can't do and
shouldn't fight for. >> top line of the night. >> maybe i'm biased here because professors who speak to a broader public need to be -- and intellectualism. she has a plan for that. you can mock her, but the point is that she had a vision, she had a plan, she had perspective and she was willing to defend it. don't go meekly and spinelessly into the night. >> play to win. don't play to lose. >> debbie downer -- he was the debbie downer from that snl skit. >> wah-wuh. >> we saw a lot of john delaney. some other folks we did not or they didn't capitalize on their moments. who faded into the background, do you think? >> ryan faded. >> who? >> tim ryan. >> honestly, it's the person who you think they were on debate stage but you can't quite remember.
>> beto tried. he had a strong debate this time but not enough. he faded. i know i'm going to get a lot of beto trolls. it's okay. he could not recover from the misstep in the first debate. >> i want to listen to marianne williamson. this was her explanation for her plan for reparations on slavery. >> $200 to $500 billion payment of a debt that is owed. that is what reparations is. i believe that anything less than $100 billion is an insult and i believe t $200 to $500 billion is politically feasible today because so many americans realize there is an injustice that continues to form a toxicity underneath the surface, an emotional turbulence that only reparations will fix. >> she's probably the most unconventional of all the
candidates on the debate stage and yet she is zoning in, rhetorically, on what democratic voters are connecting with. >> she gave numbers, too. here is my point, people mocking her as a fellow minister i'm not going to do that at all. i think her vision is powerful. around, what, 200 to $500 billion? she's willing to give a number. we can debate that because so far america has not even been willing to acknowledge that reparations should be paid. martin luther king jr. "why we can't wait" a nation that's done something special against the negro, as we were called for 250 years, has to do something special for the negro. her point is, how do we translate that? how do we make it an issue? we're not going to wreck the economy trillions of dollars. it's not justice but it is an attempt to somehow forge a connection between the 40 acres and mule that was promised. if you ain't got 40 acres give me one on wall street and if you ain't got a mule, give me a jaguar. she understands you have to give
some substance to an ideal and she made it in a compelling way and linked it to the spiritual claims that the right wing claims all the time to be concerned about. evangelicals who claim piety. spirituality that has the ability to speak to people who live. that shouldn't be mocked. >> politically speaking the polling on this has shifted maybe more than any other issue we've seen. among african-american voters it has shifted. among hispanic voters it's now at 50% support. among white voters it's ticking up quite a bit. to be able to tap into an issue that's moved that much, whether she had seen that polling or not, that was something very intuitive about it, especially when she says these guys want to study the issue. and it showed them -- politicians versus outsider, which is what she needs. >> sara isker, michael eric dyson, thank you so much to you. we're expecting to see kamala harris any moment for her walk
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america's longest war. the number of u.s. troops have dropped over the years, approximately 14,000 are still in country. the question of when to bring them home looms large over democratic presidential candidates. phil mud is with us to discuss this. i should mention he has a new book out as well, black site. mayor pete buttigieg served seven months in a tour in afghanistan. this is what he said about withdrawing troops. >> you have said, quote, one thing everybody can agree on is we're getting out of afghanistan. will you withdraw all u.s. service members by the end of your first year in office? >> we will withdraw. we have to. >> in your first year? >> yes. look, around the world, we will do whatever it takes to keep america safe, but i thought i was one of the last troops leaving afghanistan when i thought i was turning out the lights years ago.
every time i see news about somebody being killed in afghanistan, i think about what it was like to hear an explosion over there and wonder whether it was somebody i served with, somebody i knew, a friend, roommate, colleague. we're pretty close to the day when we will wake up to the news of a casualty in afghanistan who was not born on 9/11. >> we're already at the point where we see casualties who were not very old on 9/11. is it really possible, phil, to withdraw totally from afghanistan without creating a vacuum that actually endangers u.s. national security? >> as long as you have the other half of the conversation with the american people. the other half is recognize, that means the taliban will be in a position of power and may take over. now, we could get into this for three hours, which we won't. there are reasons that might happen anyway. the second question is are you sure you don't want to have a stay behind because the afghan government might not do that? you can get there, but i think
you have to have the second half of the conversation with the american people about what risk comes after it. >> i want to talk about something elizabeth warren said. she committed to a no first use policy on nuclear weapons. what do you think? >> i buy that. you step back and say try to come up with a scenario where we say there's an adversary that poses a conventional threat or maybe we're in a conventional war and we say we're going to use a nuclear weapon first. it's hard for me to come up with a scenario. of course, somebody is going to say world war ii, a scenario where we come back and say it's a good idea to depend on nuclear weapons. hard for me to see that. >> black site: the cia in the post 9/11 world. tell us about it. >> the proposition was simple. i was running one day. i'm a runner in the morning. i was thinking there's a perspective from the people i worked with on 9/11 who developed the black sites and the detention facilities and interrogation tactics. they haven't spoken. if anybody, whether you like what we did or don't like and wants to step back and stand in
our shoes, i wanted to write that book. i this was a chance to say i may not like what they did, but i want to understand what happened in the most stressful time in american history. i talked about 35 people i knew and wrote the book. >> looking back on it, in retrospect, what does hindsight give you? >> it gives me the chance to say look, we should have had broader conversations with congress, one of the basic -- people elected by americans to determine if the cia is doing the right thing. after 9/11 and the black sites, a lot of people, again, don't like it. but at that time, i have a hard time looking back and saying that was a horrible choice. it was tough but i'm not sure we had many choices. >> phil mudd, thank you very much. michigan went red for the first time in decades in the 2016 election. what do democrats need to say to
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all right. we are following the debates in detroit. live pictures right now outside fox theater where senator kamala harris is soon going to arrive for her walk-through ahead of the second night where ten candidates will take the stage in this cnn debate. harris is set for a rematch with joe biden, former vice president. this will follow their heated clash over race and bussing, bussing for desegregation at the first democratic debates last month. michigan is an important place. this is a must-win state for democrats if they want to take back the white house. not only was it one of the few states that ended up tipping the scale for donald trump in 2016, but it just barely did so. fewer than 11,000 votes separated hillary clinton there between -- as you can see. and on top of that, more than 200,000 michigan voters cast a ballot for third party candidates. turnout normally a reliable
voting group was significantly down. it was this perfect storm that we saw that delivered that state for donald trump. i'm here now with lieutenant governor michigan garland gilchrist. thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> election night was not the first sign that michigan may have been up for grabs in 2016. he mentioned that last night. he was in florida, he thought he was going to lose. the polls had him losing by more than 20 points. in the end he had him over by one point. what do these democratic candidates need to do tonight? >> well, the first thing democratic candidates need to do in michigan is show up, we need to make sure they're making their presence felt in republican communities.
it's because we showed up in every single county. the governor won all three 83 counties, because she went to all 83 counties. and our campaign was responsive to what we heard. we were talking about infrastructure and making sure our roads were built and fixed. we were talking about clean drinking water and making up for the damage done by the flint water crisis. these democratic candidates talk about these issues that really matter to voters. if they do that in michigan, we'll have a democratic president. >> when you listen to voters in michigan, some people who might normally be on the fence or might be -- you would think at least in the past, reliably democratic, people who have strong union identification. they care it seems about the economy first and foremost. those other issues you talk about are of concern to them that the economy is what matters, and they're actually pretty happy with president trump. what do you say to democratic candidates with that in mind?
>> well, the truth is, the economy is not working for everyone. it's not been working for the people in ohio, where we have a plant that's closed, but it has been working with people in michigan. leadership has worked with the community much has to go and create jobs. sca is opening a new plant in detroit, that my uncle used to work at back in the day. they're expanding that plan. creating thousands of jobs and having billions of dollars of investment. the economy has not been working for enough people. there are people in this city, my hometown of detroit for whom the economy is not working. if we're building infrastructure, we can train people for it, how to be carpenters, how to be plumbers. how they can go to a four-year college. these are the issues we need to talk about, this will make the economy work for the people. >> lieutenant governor, i want to -- we have more questions
ahead for you. this is senator kirsten gillibrand who is on the stage in detroit inside of the debate hall doing her walk-through, it's imperative to have her breakthrough moment tonight. we'll be looking ahead to see if she delivers on that this evening. you mentioned this gm plant is shutting down near detroit this week. there's 200 people who are losing their jobs. candidates addressed unionization last night. they talked about trade deals. who do you think is doing the best job of reaching out to autoworkers or talking about these issues, what do you think? >> the person who's doing the worst job when it comes to keeping promises in michigan is president donald trump, that was one of the biggest broken promises to voters in michigan, and so we have to recognize that we have an opportunity to create jobs and an opportunity for more people in michigan, that unions are actually a good thing, because they are representing -- >> and i hear you, i know, i
know lieutenant governor, you don't want to take a position on a candidate, i'm not asking you to do that. when you heard last night the discussion or you've been hearing this over the last few weeks, is there anyone in particular who you think is speaking to this issue, even in a way that other candidates might want to take a page out of their book? >> you know, honestly, i need to see a lot more, we did hear a little bit about it, i would have liked to have a lot more time during last night's debate. talking more about trade. the candidates need to tease that out. the best place to understand or shape your agenda is to come here in michigan and meet those voters. >> you know what michigan democrats are saying, so candidates willing listening to you, lieutenant governor, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. we're just hours away now from night two of the democratic debates, the candidates are arriving to scope out the stage to do their final walk-throughs. our special coverage of the cnn debates continue with brooke baldwin next.
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