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hello again, everyone. thank you so much for being with me, i'm fredricka whitfield. we're following this breaking news out of new york. jeffrey epstein, the multimillionaire, financier and accused sex trafficker is dead. sources telling cnn that he was discovered in his jail cell early this morning where officials believe he hanged himself. he was transported to a hospital where he died of cardiac arrest. epstein was being held on multiple federal charges, which he pled not guilty to in july. the indictment accused him in part of soliciting sex from young ladies as young as 14 years old. and if found guilty, he would have faced up to 45 years in prison. what do we know at this hour? what kind of explanations are coming about this apparent suicide when it was a few weeks
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ago he allegedly attempted suicide and would be on suicide watch at this point? >> reporter: just outside that facility itself, it does appear to be business as usual. you can imagine those questions are being asked. it was what investigators now are trying to determine. at this point the department of justice and its bureau of prisons has confirmed it was about 6:30 this morning when prison -- facility personnel discovered jeffrey epstein was unresponsive in the special housing unit. they attempted life saving measu measur measures. took him to a nearby hospital where he was later pronounced dead. law enforcement saying he took his own life. today's incident is going to renew attention on an incident from about two weeks ago when epstein was discovered inside his cell at the same facility with marks around his neck. he claimed he was called a child predator by some of the fellow
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inmates here and he was assaulted. investigators and mainly prison personnel never actually confirmed whether or not that was self-inflicted, those minor injuries, or if it was actually the result of an assault. we do know is that shortly after that incident two weeks ago, he was placed on suicide watch. now the main question was he still being closely observed by prison personnel? was he still in that special housing unit. that is certainly something people are asking. obviously this was an extremely high profile case. there are many people, particularly the alleged victims of epstein who are now coming forward with concerns and with frustrations and anger because they could potentially see this individual not be brought to justice. again, this is the latest we have from the department of justice confirming jeffrey epstein found in his cell and then died, taking his own life, at this facility behind me. >> polo, what do we know what it means to be in this special housing cell? what's the criteria?
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what are the added protections by being in that particular place where he was? >> reporter: we are poring over some of those procedures right now looking into the actual protocol that entails being housed in one of these units. i can tell you speaking from previous experience and covering other similar cases where defendants are kept in those kinds of measures, i can tell you that they're essentially isolated from the rest of the population here. there's special procedures. the big question is would somebody who could be a harm to themselves or others be housed in that special unit? i think that is something we hope to learn here in the coming hours. >> polo sandoval, thank you so much. let's talk more about this. mark fisher, senior editor of the washington post and author of trump revealed and cnn legal an li analyst renato marrati. we're talking about somebody who
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may have attempted suicide or alleged. officials do confirm that something was odd about the potential injuries around his neck a couple weeks ago. he might be on suicide watch. we're hearing variations of reporting and that this would happen, he could successfully commit suicide this morning? >> it raises huge questions, fredricka. you have an inmate, first of all, who appears having previously attempted suicide. inmates who are accused of child exploitation often are subject to violence in prison and are often watched more closely. he's a high profile inmate. there's a lot of reasons why you would want to be keeping a close eye on jeffrey epstein. frankly, i think the fbi has already initiated an investigation. the bureau of prisons announced that. really, the results of that i think need to be public.
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because there is a lot of speculation and conspiracy theories that are abounding. >> this is a facility, the metropolitan correctional system is accustomed to handling high profile inmates, right? everyone from -- a variation of alleged crimes. you know, it seems like they're accustomed to and have a protocol in place to protect high profile cases. so what is this facility? what are authorities now assessing to try to figure out what happened and why there was this opening for this kind of suicide? >> that's a great question. this is not your typical federal prison where people are housed long term. the mcc is the facility where prisoners are held while they're involved in court proceedings or while they're potentially awaiting trial.
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they're usually for prisoners who are going to need to be back and forth to court or are going to be involved in proceedings in new york. yes, as you point out there's a lot of high profile inmates that have come and gone through that prison over the years. and more importantly, you know, they are used to dealing with this. this is the prison where chapo was. >> paul manafort among just a few recently. >> exactly. so this is a prison where they should, you know, have procedures and be able to take care of inmates like jeffrey epstein. >> so then, mark, you know, all this taking place, you know, less than 24 hours after federal -- new york court unsealed documents were provided. every major national newspaper is profiling some of the accusations, including yours in those documents. do you see a correlation?
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mark, are you able to hear me? >> yes. i'm sorry. >> do you see any potential correlation between the fact that he's now committed suicide less than 24 hours ago these documents were released. your newspaper, "the new york times," all national newspapers are reporting on the details. the details that come from these documents in terms of the accusations against him. >> yeah, there wasn't a lot new and certainly nothing that would be new to jeffrey epstein in those documents. these are accusations that have been kicking around in lawsuits against him for many years. also, we should caution that law enforcement has not said this was suicide. people close to epstein are saying that this may well have been a murder. previous investigation into the previous attack has not been concluded. we don't know whether that was, indeed, a question of self-harm or someone attacking epstein. so there's a good deal of question about this. the authorities are going to be
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investigating this. there are no new allegations against jeffrey epstein. he's been successfully skating around these allegations for decades. >> what will this do potentially to the case? we've talked to a variety of lawyers, experts who say the case will go on. representatives for some of the accusers say that they'll go after the estate. there will be civil suits. but then, you know, he is the big fish. you know, the defendant. the cases spanned so many years, mark, so this, it would seem, would compromise those efforts. it certainly will not bring the kind of justice to these accusers that they would receive by being able to look him in the eye and see him stand trial for what was expected to be next june potentially. >> absolutely right. obviously the criminal case comes to a crashing halt with
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his death. but these civil suits will go on. they will, as you say, be steered toward the estate. that raises all kinds of questions. how much money does he have? where it is stashed? what countries? what kind of access is there ? there will be claims on that money. victims from sexual abuses and his financial scams. this will be a long and complicated legal process. but the overall theme here is that jeffrey epstein has once again managed to skate by when the moment of reckoning seemed to be at hand. >> mark, was i hearing -- am i hearing from you, skepticism of the suicide, even though sources are telling cnn that it does appear to be a suicide by hanging? >> well, the sources we've been
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talking to say that that is entirely possible, but it's also possible it was an attack by someone other than epstein. and is that authorities are genuinely -- do not know the answer to that. that's where the investigation will focus. >> okay, that doesn't match the reporting that we have. but i hear you with the washington post. thanks so much. again, very early stages of the investigation. the probe as a result of the death now of epstein in jail. of course, when we get more information, confirmed information, we'll pass it on. still ahead, el paso, texas. still reeling one week after a shooting killed 22 people. right now, a march to remember the many lives lost as a community tries to heal. plus, democrats on the campaign trail in iowa. talking gun violence after that mass set of shootings. their plans. the candidates' plans to insure that shootings never happen again of that magnitude. coming up. back then, we checked our smartphones
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a criminal complaint linked crimo to a white supremacist organization. our affiliate profiled climo in september of 2016 when he began patrolling a neighborhood with a military style rifle. local news reports like this one prompted the investigation. climo was not arrested, however, or charged back then. cnn has reached out to climo and his representatives for a response to these new accusations against him. and one week after the el paso community was left in horror by a mass shooting that killed 22 innocent people, members of the community are marching and rallying across the city right now in texas. they're calling for an end to what they say is president trump's divisive rhetoric. we're now seeing the moments right after the attack. but we do want to warn you that these are disturbing images.
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>> oh, no! >> this is cell phone video taken in the walmart parking lot as it was happening and the aftermath of last saturday's shooting. you can hear people calling for help, while others are running from the scene. meanwhile, an arrest affidavit reveals the accused shooter told police he was deliberately targeting mexicans. cnn national correspondent natasha chen is in el paso, texas, where people have been gathering. they're remembering the victims and they are vowing to make sure something like this never happened again. it's also -- this rally has included a presidential candidate, beto o'rourke. tell us more. >> reporter: yeah, so absolutely. all these speakers are calling for change. a lot of these signs say enough is enough. and they are also talking about
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calling for the senate to come back and talk about gun safety measures. they are speaking out against hatred and racism. one of the very emotional speeches just now a minute ago was from a woman who was injured. she was assisted up on stage with her wheelchair. she was able to get up at the podium. she said this will not stop me. she vowed to get up and fight and to make sure this never happens again. of course, this whole group walked over to the courthouse from a downtown el paso park a few blocks away. in front of that march was beto o'rourke holding onto a banner along with congresswoman lee. here's what beto o'rourke said to this crowd when they got here. >> we need to remember this. not only did el paso bear the brunt of this hatred and this
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racism perpetrated not just by white nationalists and terrorists and clansmen and neo nazis but by the president of the united states himself. >> reporter: right now they're going to be reciting the names of the 22 victims right now. the crowd is repeating those names back to the speaker. so a very impassioned emotional event for the people today who have marched from a park to this courthouse to make a statement. >> and natasha, this affidavit, you know, where the suspect admits to wanting to target mexicans. has there been a response from people there you've interacted with today? >> reporter: absolutely. i think they're very, very bothered with the fact that he drove across the state to target this community specifically. state representative said it's
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now accident he chose our community. of course, this community is majority hispanic. they feel that they are targeted here. they feel a sense of fear, but these people who are here today have chosen and deliberately show up and make a statement despite that fear, fred. >> thank you so much. coming up, the 2020 democrats are taking the stage in iowa right now to talk about the issue of gun violence. former housing and urban development secretary julian castro is on the stage right now. we'll take you there live. next. at t-mobile, for $40/line for four lines, it's all included for the whole family, starting with unlimited data. use as much as you want, when you want. and if you like netflix, it's included on us. plus no surprises on your bill. taxes and fees are included. and now for a limited time, with each new line, get one of our latest smartphones included.
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it's been one week since the mass shootings in el paso, texatexas and dayton, ohio, that left the nation feeling shocked and reeling. they're far from the only communities struggling with gun violence. an issue that's now front and center as the 2020 candidates campaign in iowa. every town for gun safety is the name of the organization founded after the 2012 mass shooting at sandy hook elementary school in newtown, connecticut. that organization is hosting a forum right now where 16 of the 2020 democratic candidates will be speaking, including senator elizabeth warren. their message enough is enough.
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you see julian castro on the stage right now. how hard are these candidates hitting that issue? what are they proposing they would do? >> reporter: each of these candidates is saying that it's long past time that action needs to be taken to try to address the gun violence issue in this country. and you're hearing from multiple candidates this morning saying that part of the problem is president trump, republicans, and the nra. saying that they also need to come forth and try to work with democrats to try to pass legislation. take a listen to what two of the candidates had to say earlier today. >> if every one of you spends the next four weeks speaking out using social media to be heard, tweeting at mitch mcconnell saying call the vote. he could call us back into congress today. we could pass universal
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background checks today. >> politically, my party's got to get out of the defensive crouch that has us thinking that we're in the minority on these issues. america is with us in demanding commonsense gun safety. >> reporter: now in just a short while we'll be hearing from senator elizabeth warren who this morning released her own gun control proposal. one goal in that proposal is trying to reduce the number of gun deaths in this country by 80%. she's calling for an assault weapons ban. passing universal background checks as well as instituting a federal licensing system. we're going to be hearing from warren in a short while. each of these candidates really trying to hone in on this issue of gun violence and offer their proposals for how to stem this issue going forward. fred? >> and then, what's the format there? you see hosts or moderators on the stage, but are audience members asking questions?
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are they helping to drive the conversation directly with these candidates? >> reporter: the audience members are getting involved. so the candidates take the stage and they take an initial question, kind of laying out what they would do about gun control in this country. then there have been audience questions where several audience members have shared their direct experiences with gun violence. either against themselves or potentially against a family member or a friend or loved one that they have lost to gun violence. so a lot of this is also the conversation has not just been political, but also very personal in tone as these candidates are trying to relate, not just on what they're going to do politically, legislatively through executive action, but also trying to emote and connect with these people who have been affected by gun violence. >> all right. thank you so much. let's talk more about this. joining me now from el paso, texas, is congresswoman lee.
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i understand this is where you were born and raised. you have returned when people are marching to celebrate the lives of the 22 that were killed and also pledging that this should never happen again. how important is it that you're there? what are you feeling right now? >> it's with a deep sense of reverence and humility i'm here in the town of my birth where i was born and raised. el paso, texas. first, of course, i send my condolence and sympathy to the victims' families, to the community, to those who were injured and to honor them and to bring condolences from my congressional district of california. el paso is a city where i was raised and a city where love always trumped hate.
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and what we see now through this horrific tragedy is the toxic combination of domestic terrorism, racism, and of gun violence. and so i'm here in solidarity with the people of el paso honoring the lives of those we lost. but also to say to senator mitch mcconnell to bring the senate back and pass these very modest, but righteous in many ways gun reform, gun safety measures. he should call the senate back immediately and do that. this is a call to action. and in their memory, and honoring their legacy, we must do this and do it right away. >> senator mcconnell has at least one bill that was passed in the house on his desk as it pertains to beefed up gun control legislation. do you have any more confidence today that as a result of these massacres that there will be some movement in the senate to
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have a vote to pass that legislation? >> the house has sent him two measures with regard to background checks. it's going to be the voice of the people. and that's one of the important moments that we're experiencing here in el paso with this march for a united america. the power of the people, the voices of the people working for the people to get this done is what is going to make it happen. we always have to have hope. we have to be optimistic. because without home and without our work then we could see this happen over and over again. enough is enough. this has been such a horrific moment with gilroy and dayton, ohio, el paso, texas. my own district in oakland, california. cities, counties, communities throughout the country are experiencing gun violence each
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and every day. 100 people every day die of gun violence. we have to stop this. so we can't give up. we've got to work hard and, again, for starters senator mitch mcconnell called the senate back in and passed these gun reform measures that are on your desk and ask the president to sign them. >> so if mitch mcconnell was not inspired to do so within the last week. when the president yesterday said he was an advocate for meaningful background checks, in your view, was that the president sending a signal to senator mitch mcconnell that legislation he already has on background checks is something that needs to be addressed now? or do you see them speaking in step? is this just more confusion about where is america right now in response to these massacres? >> well, for me, it's more confusion. it's more of this president's
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rhetoric. he has said this before. he's done this before. but we have not seen any action. so i hope he's for real and i hope the bills that are on mitch mcconnell's desk are moved forward. with regard to donald trump and his hateful rhetoric and what has been unfortunately created the environment for this tragedy and other tragedies to happen, i'm not so sure if he really means what he says. but i hope he does because the nra has got to understand and stop running with their agenda that's killing so many people in our country. >> and then, quickly congresswoman, you mentioned domestic terrorism, racism, gun violence. these are all the things, a confluence of events, these massacres have underscored. do you see that those things can be tackled legislatively? do you see a combination of other things on the horizon? >> they've got to be tackled on
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all fronts. when you look at racism and when you look at the racist attacks against african-americans, people of color, latinos. racism is alive and well in america. when you look at domestic terrorism, domestic terrorism has existed for decades. in fact, it's really hypocritical that the president moved to defund the terrorism. when you look at gun reform efforts, congress has been stopped dead in its tracks because of the unfortunate influence of the nra. so all of these issues have come together now and have created a toxic environment for our future. so enough is enough, we have to move forward and we have to get this done. >> congresswoman, barbara lee in el paso, texas. your birthplace. thank you so much. i want to take you to iowa. this is the issue that candidates are tackling.
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those on the road to the white house. here's elizabeth warren in des moines. let's listen in. >> start off how you would prioritize the issue of gun safety if elected as president. including all forms of intersectionality. >> can i just stand up? >> yes. >> you can always tell a school teacher. i've got to get where i can see everybody's face. let me start with this. i come to you, i know, with these latest shootings in el paso and dayton at a time of sorrow in our country, but a time of real determination. we are going to make change. we are going to pass gun safety laws in this country. [ applause ] the way i see this is we've been talking for a long time about what we need to do. we've talked about all the different pieces, all the
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different edges. they're there. i support them. but here's what i'm going to do as president of the united states. i have put out this morning a comprehensive gun plan that has a lot of details in it. i will introduce it in the first 100 days. and i'll help repeal the filibuster so that we can actually get it passed in congress. [ applause ] but i want to do more. i want us to change how we think about gun safety in america. it's not just about passing four pieces of legislation over there or changing two regulations over here. it's about reducing the deaths from gun violence. that's what our goal has to be. 40,000 americans died last year from gun violence. so here's my commitment as president. i will reduce that number by
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80%. we will make change, we'll figure out what works and then we'll make some more change and some more change. you know, here's the thing. you look at that number and you say, wow, that's -- i saw your face when i said that. wow. how does this woman plan to get this done? and i'll tell you the answer. go back to 1965. and at that point, we had five deaths per million miles travelled on the roads in america. people were using words like carnage. how many americans were dying. as a country, we said enough. we are going to make changes. we are going to make ourselves a safer country. some of it was obvious. seatbelts, safety glass. some of it hasn't even been invented like airbags and automatic braking systems. but since that time, we have
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reduced the deaths per million miles travelled by over 80% in this country. [ applause ] i want us to do the same with guns. i want us to keep our eye on the ball. this is about death by gun violence. i want us to study what works. i want us to try. i want us to make change as we keep driving down that number. we've got two tools. the first one -- and i love saying this -- what a president can do all by herself. [ applause ] i will do it. i will take executive action in every corner with the department of justice, with atf, to move as much as i can.
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but there's much that must go through congress. here's what i propose with congress. and that is, start with the question if 90% of americans want to see some basic sensible changes, why do they not happen? you're out there talking about it. i'm out there talking about it. i tell you why it doesn't matter. corruption. plane and simp plain and simple. the gun industry controls washington. and we have to fight back against that corruption. until we hit that corruption head on, until we disrupt the way they give money to folks in congress. the way they put the lobbyists in field. we're going to fight this fight and we're going to keep losing this fight. for me, real change, meaningful change starts with breaking up the corruption in washington,
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breaking the stranglehold of the gun industry and the nra. [ applause ] it's time. it's time for real meaningful change. we can do it. what it's going to take is a leader in the white house and pressure, the fighters on the ground like you. it's an honor to be here with you today. thank you. [ applause ] thank you. >> all right, you've been listening to senator elizabeth warren there saying, you know, it's time for real meaningful change. she's pledging as president she'll reduce deaths by gun violence by 80%. let's talk more about all of this and how much this issue is going to, you know, pepper the democratic field in the race for the white house. with me now to discuss all this,
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francesca chambers, also joining me is a white house reporter for "the washington post" and a cnn political analyst. thanks to both of you, appreciate it. francesca, you first. let's talk about new sweeping gun control plans. this one namely coming from senator elizabeth warren. she says if elected she'll issue an executive order on background checks and push to pass a federal assault weapons ban. very big ambitions, but already, you know, congresswoman barbara lee reminds us there are two pieces of legislation gun control related on the desk of mitch mcconnell right now. so if mitch mcconnell or the senate does not do anything, why is it these candidates on the campaign trail feel that they might be influential in the race for the white house? >> i asked joe biden about that here at the iowa state fair just
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the other day. he said because he knows some of these gun violence victims, he's met with the families of people who were killed in the pulse nightclub attack. he's met with the sandy hook families. but from that didn't really go beyond that to say he believes he would be able to do differently, considering the fact that barack obama and joe biden had the house, they had the senate when they first took office and they weren't able to get anything like this passed. meanwhile, you heard kamala harris saying she wants to start with background checks. you said that elizabeth warren promoted an ambitious plan, you have on the opposite side of that harris saying let's start with background checks. if we can get those, then we can move forward. >> the aftermath of these two mass shootings now, you know, the president of the united states is claiming he has strong congressional support from republicans in congress for strengthening background checks. meaningful background checks he says. what are you hearing about the kind of support that he says he
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has? >> i would question the president's definition of the world strong there. because background checks, expanding background checks on gun sales is something that has been incredibly controversial among republicans on capitol hill. recall the last major gun debate we had on capitol hill. it was in 2013. there were just four senate republicans who backed an expanded background checks bill at that time in a democratic senate. two of those four republican senators are now gone. yesterday, president trump said mitch mcconnell is totally on board with background checks. we checked with mitch mcconnell's office. his office made it clear that the majority leader has not endorsed any specific gun legislation yet. anything that restricts access to guns and gun rights, whether it's expanded background checks, a federal assault weapons ban, federal licensing programs like a lot of the 2020 democratic
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candidates have announced is going to run into a lot of resistance. obviously among republicans on capitol hill. even some of these conservative democrats who represent these rural areas, rural states, they are a diminishing number in the congress and house democrats have -- particularly -- still this is a difficult issue to move forward on no matter who is in charge. >> thanks to both of you, appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ sport drumming starts [ referee whistle sounds ] [ cheering ] when you need the fuel to be your nephew's number one fan. holiday inn express. we're there. so you can be too.
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more for your thing. that's our thing. welcome back. president trump revealing the content of a new letter from north korean leader kim jong-un, saying kim wants to restart nuclear negotiations once joint military exercises are over. the tweet saying that kim asked for another direct meeting and offered, quote, a small apology, end quote, for testing short range missiles. the president told reporters about the letter yesterday as he left the white house. >> he really wrote a beautiful three-page from top to bottom a really beautiful letter. it was a very positive letter. i'd love to give it to you, i really would. >> trump's tweets come just hours after north korea conducted its fifth round of short range missile tests in just over two weeks.
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sarah westwood is in new jersey near where the president is vacations at his resort in bedminister. what are we making of the timing of these tweets and what information we are receiving about them, the later? >> reporter: well, fred, the president's tweets this morning come after a week of president trump shrugging off more of those short range missile launches from north korea. and as president trump seems to be channelling those frustrations into the relationship between the u.s. and south korea. he's been demanding seoul contribute more in an exchange for remaining under the u.s. security umbrella. and administration officials tell cnn that trump privately has expressed frustration with the fact that in his eyes, south korea has not done more to contain the aggression of its northern neighbor. that's a frustration that president trump had projected onto china at one point in his presidency. now he's focusing that ire on south korea. his tweets this morning about
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that letter from kim jong-un comes as north korea continues to express its frustration with the joint military exercises going on this month in the region between the u.s. and the south korean military. president trump said in that letter, kim jong-un expressed his frustration with the fact that those drills which have been scaled back this year are still going on. trump's scaling back those military exercises in order to leave himself more room to negotiate with north korea. but these short range missile tests could be a real problem for president trump. he says he's okay with them because his agreement with north korea was that they should stop their intercontinental ballistic missile launches. they should stop their nuclear testing. because president trump hasn't been able to extract any real concessions from north korea, all he had to point to as a sign that his strategy of engaging with north korea was working was the fact that those missile launches had stopped. now that they're starting again, fred, it could be harder for the president to justify his embrace of the north korean dictator.
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welcome back. right now the department of homeland security in turmoil as it tries to combat the fallout from president trump's hardlined immigration policies. sources tell cnn acting dhs secretary kevin mcallenen went to the white house in june ready to resign. he had concerns over president trump's vague threat to deport millions of undocumented immigrants believing the operation was half baked and too far reaching in scope. all this being revealed as i.c.e., immigration customs enforcement agents detained nearly 700 undocumented immigrants this week in mississippi. a source tells cnn the white house has instructed i.c.e. to conduct dozens of workplace raids over the rest of the year. let's bring in a former secret service agent under president obama. good to see you. >> nice to see you. >> with these reports that the acting secretary, you know, is
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facing internal, external tensions at dhs, how effective is his ability to lead this department if he doesn't believe allegedly in all the policies and practices? >> absolutely. the key point -- key word in what you just said is acting. when i hear the word acting secretary, i liken it to a substitute teacher. somebody who is in charge, but they lack the full authority to effect change. that's what we're seeing here. the secretary does not have the ability to set a long-term strategy policy across the department to include immigration. you couple that with the immigration hard liners that the white house had installed into the department of homeland security, it only makes his job more difficult. the focus right now at dhs is on immigration. but that's not what dhs is. it's the department of homeland security. they need to govern and oversee other aspects, election security, cyber and critical
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infrastructure, disaster recovery and preparedness, as well as other law enforcement functions. unfortunately, right now for the acting secretary, he sits in a position that's actually a hot seat right now in washington, d.c. as it's one of the most divisive positions within the cabinet. that is leading to a lot of policy issues that are facing the 2020 campaign. so this acting secretary is going to be in the hot seat for a long time. >> and the president has made it clear what he believes as it pertains to these raids. listen to what he had to say friday. >> i want people to know that if they come into the united states ill illegally they're getting out. they're going to be brought out. this serves as a very good deterrent. if people come into our country illegally, they're going out. >> so the president says it's a deterrent. is that what you believe? >> it's not a deterrent, it's an
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optical issue right now. we're not solving for the issue of immigration. we're not talking about why people are motivated today come from their home countries into the united states. so this is less of a policy issue, it's a knee jerk reaction again by immigration hard liners to satisfy a base. >> thank you so much. >> thanks a lot. all right, coming up, more on the breaking news that jeffrey epstein, the multimillion air and accused child sex trafficker is dead by an apparent hanging in his jail cell. details straight ahead. every day, visionaries are creating the future.
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