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cnn. thank you all for being with me today. i'm poppy harlow. jim will be in the chair monday. i'm taking a little vacation. next, kate bolduan "at this hour" ahead. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. thanks so much for joining me. a partial reversal from israel and now a rejection. democratic congresswoman rashida tlaib is now saying that she will not visit the west bank under the conditions set by israel. the israeli government had reversed themselves just this morning to say that they would agree to let the michigan democrat visit her grandmother in the west bank. tlaib now says that she is not going anywhere. putting on a statement on twitter saying this. i've decided that visiting my grandmother urn these oppressive conditions stand against everything i believe in, fighting against racism, oppression and injustice. all of this comes one day after
israel banned both rashida tlaib and ihlan omar from entering the country at all. they're the first and only muslim women in congress and they are vocal critics of israel and have supported the boycott movement against israel known as bds. don't forget, this isn't just a spat between members of congress and a u.s. ally, this also comes after president trump got involved publicly and privately, we're told, pushing the israeli government not to let them in. cnn's oren lieberman is joining us from jerusalem. he's been following all the twists and turns. what are you hearing there now? >> well, as of right now congresswoman rashida tlaib who has granted access for a humanitarian visit to israel and the palestinian territories to see her family, including her 90-year-old grandmother, she said it might be the last time she's able to see her, she has rejected the visit. the day started with israel denying access from yesterday to these two congresswomen, rashida
tlaib and ihlan omar, as you point out two of the most vocal critics of israel in congress. israel denying them access because they are supporters of a boycott against israel, and second because president donald trump essentially forced prime minister benjamin netanyahu's hand saying israel would show great weakness if they let them in. but israel left a window open there saying if she want to come on a humanitarian visit, that is if tlaib wants to come, she would be allowed to do so. that permission was granted this morning or early into the afternoon. and it looked like she would accept, that she would have made a visit over the weekend and early next week. until a few hours ago she said she would not come under the restrictions under a sole humanitarian visit where she had promised not to take any actions that would be seen as a boycott against israel. and that, by the way, is an action supported by her family here. we spoke to them a short time ago and her uncle says she
didn't accept these conditions either for her visit. >> translator: we are against the conditional visit of rashida tlaib. she has a right to visit palestine was a palestinian regardless of being a congresswoman. as any citizen with a u.s. passport has a right to visit their family without any conditions or pressure. >> reporter: we already knew that there was domestic politics involved here. congresswoman tlaib and omar are two of the favorite targets of president donald trump, but now there's israeli politics involved as well after tlaib said she would not come under the conditions set by the israelis, the israeli interior minister who has the final say here took a swipe at her and said it seems that her hatred of israel overcomes her love of her grandmother, kate. >> this is getting nasty. oren, thank you very much. i appreciate it. i wonder where this goes from here. let's find out. joining me right now democratic congresswoman brad schneider is of illinois. he helped lead the recent move in the house of representatives
to condemn the bds movement that tlaib and omar support that is wrapped up in all of this. congressman, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> you called the prime minister's decision or the government's decision to block both of these members of congress short-sighted and wrong. that was like a hot second ago and now we have these twists and turns. now you're looking at something of a reversal but with restrictions on tlaib and she's now refusing to go under those circumstances as oren laid out. what is your reaction this morning? >> i think that the decision that congresswoman tlaib is making is a personal decision. i did say yesterday that the decision the prime minister's decision to deny entry to both congresswoman tlaib and omar was wrong and shortsighted because they're missing the broader point. as members of congress when we have the opportunity to go to israel or any country, is an opportunity to see and learn. i've been to israel more times than i can count.
i've never returned from any of those trips without having more questions coming home than i started with going there. and so i think this was a missed opportunity, a wrong decision and it's a challenge to the strong bipartisan support for israel we've seen in congress. just last month i led the effort, we had 398 members of congress vote to support the u.s.-israel relationship and commit to security and condemn the bds movement. >> you don't agree with tlaib and omar on the issue of israel basically at all. but would you recommend that she go through with the visit after israel is telling her that essentially she can't speak out while there? would you agree to the conditions like this if circumstances were different? >> again, i think that's a personal decision. i know for me personally i would want to see my grandmother. but that's for her to make her own decision with her family, like i said. i wish that the israeli government -- >> they're looking to end her --
a democratic government, a democratic country in the middle east. israel is a democracy and they're looking to go there and you think that -- do you think it's okay that the israeli government put restrictions on their speech of a u.s. member of congress? >> no, and i said this yesterday. i think that they should be allowed to enter israel and tour israel. i just came back last week from israel. we visited not just jerusalem but we spoke with prime minister netanyahu and we spoke with the leader of the opposition. we went to the gaza border, we visited lebanon borders and syria border. we spoke with palestinians and israelis. we saw israel in many of its facets. and i think it's important to go to any situation and see as much of the picture as possible. but i also think it's important, and this is just my style, is to
try to build bridges. long before i got to congress, the effort to try to bring peace between israelis and palestinians to work toward ultimately the possibility of a two-state solution. the reason bds i believe is anti-semitic is because it denies the jewish aspiration for a home of their own, but the palestinians have their own aspiration. the path is between negotiations between the two parties and the role the united states should be playing is to help create the forum for those parties to come together and the strength that israel finds in many ways is because of the support they get, bipartisan support in the united states congress and this is why i'm so critical of president trump trying to use israel as a wedge issue. trying to break away support among democrats. i don't think it will be successful. it's an unfortunate situation. >> i want to ask you about the president's involvement here. first, i don't know another way of asking this. who is more wrong here, israel's position or rashida tlaib now refusing to go?
>> i think that's the wrong frame. i think congresswoman tlaib's positions on israel are wrong. i have said that. i have talked to her about it. i think she has a narrative but i don't think she's looked at the broader perspective. like i said, i believe the path to peace is two states for two people. i'm committed to that. that's why the resolution last month was so important. but i've also said i believe the decision by prime minister netanyahu not to let them in was both wrong and shortsighted and i hope we can find a path and the israeli government will change its position. i think it would be good for all of my colleagues to visit israel and see the situation from all sides and understand why israel is such an important ally for security and for economics. and the more you see, the more you learn, the more you know. >> that is a great point. let me read you how "the new york times" put it in terms of president trump's role here this morning. by enlisting a foreign power to take action against two american
citizens, mr. trump crossed a line that other presidents have not. ex sporting his partisan battles beyond the country's borders. what do you think the real impact of the president's words were both publicly and privately? >> i think so much of what the president is doing and crossing lines and having a negative impact, especially on the global stage. i say all the time that the world is a better place and america is more secure when we lean in and lead. i think the president's view is the opposite of that, trying to pull us away. i grew up at a time where there was a philosophy that our politics ended at the nation's shore and when we were overseas we spoke as one nation, one country that has an sfw in the world. the president's interests are different. i think it's unfortunate that he interjected himself into the situation with this visit into the politics in israel and i pray and will continue to work that this president is unable to try to create a partisan divide on support for israel in the
united states congress. there are not a lot of issues where we can get 398 members to speak out in unison in one voice. >> thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> turning to some breaking news this morning, a tense and unsettling situation unfolding when new york police were called to the scene after reports of suspicious devices were being left on a subway platform. police determined that they were not dangerous, but they are investigating why two rice cookers were left on a subway platform and if they're connected to an identical item found later. let's go to the scene. cnn correspondent polo sandoval is there in downtown manhattan. what are you learning there? >> reporter: three rice cookers. two of them were actually found in the subway complex that you see behind me. still roped up as the investigation is wrapping up. and another one uptown but police were telling us that all of them were checked out and deemed to be harmness and they were empty. so now the question becomes who put them there and why.
investigators do have a lead. just sa short while ago the nypd tweeting a photograph of someone they described as a person of interest. this was surveillance video shot at the station that we're at this morning essentially showing a white male in his 20s or30s according to investigators that police want to speak to. they don't know what the motive would have been, if it was simply dropped there accidently or if it was done intentionally to cause this kind of scare. i should tell you that this is certainly led up to some tense moments for really and a lot of headaches for many new yorkers who were just trying to get to work this morning. this is one of the busiest subway stations in manhattan. so the concern is did this person of interest potentially but these items there to cause this scare. the station had to be evacuated. we know of at least two drains that had to be evacuated as well. so investigators want not only police to be aware of who the individual is but also the viewers as well. they're very much aware that the
whole new york transit system could potentially be a target and today was a reminder. >> a rice cooker is different than a pressure cooker, but the way they look is very similar to the layman, if you will. and when you think of pressure cooker you think of the boston marathon bombings and that is why folks were so quickly concerned about it. fortunately, harmless this morning. polo, thank you. appreciate it. >> coming up. president trump has an ambitious idea, buy greenland, the entire island. he's not the first president to ask that, though. what greenland has to say about it, that's ahead. plus in public president trump is nothing but confident about the strength of the u.s. economy. behind closed doors we're learning he may not be so sure. stay with us. unpredictable crohn's symptoms following you?
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even so far as getting the white house counsel's office to look into the possibility. >> reporter: folks in the very beautiful territory of greenland don't seem that interested in president trump's alleged idea to buy this place. the official government of the semi-autonomous region says greenland is not for sale. they did say that they were willing to conduct cooperation between what they call countries. the americans tried to acquire greenland in 1867 and in world war ii and one resident said it will not happen. there are some reasons why america might want to have greenland. it certainly does seem to have a lot of natural resources and the chinese have been trying to get in on that business and that's not something the u.s. likes seeing with china trying to get a lot of the business here. also the us has a big military base here in greenland as well.
so there are some good reasons why the u.s. might want green land. however, if these natural resources become exploitable in greenland, certainly the folks we're would want full autonomy and independence rather than becoming part of the united states. one of the things that president trump would probably have to do if he were to acquire greenland is finally acknowledge that climate change is really because greenland with its giant ice sheet is certainly in the front line in the battle against climate change. >> thank you so much. so the possibility of trump's interest in buying greenland was first reported by the "wall street journal." joining me now is one of the reporters who broke this store. thank you so much for being here vivian. >> hi, kate. >> how serious are you told that president trump really is about this? >> so there's always a caveat. i've been covering this administration since president trump took office and he's the
most unpredictable president that i have known in my life time. so it's really hard to say what he'll do. most of the sources that we spoke to, my team and i who worked on this story, said that there were varying degrees of seriousness. sometimes he was really curious about the possibilities of it, as fred mentioned. and as we determined, he asked white house counsel to look into it. he's asked advisers numerous times about it. but sometimes he just kind of says when we buy greenland everything is going to be great. he'll use these sort of passing joking references to it. i had originally gotten the tip and we know that it comes up in conversation constantly because it's something that's always on his mind. that's how the original source told it to me. the president just frequently references this desire of his to buy greenland. so no one really thinks it's eminent or going to happen, but then again, he's going to denmark next month and he might surprise us and bring it up.
>> the timing of this is also fascinating. look, it sounds out there, yes, you do remind people, though, in your piece that the united states has tried twice before to purchase the island. do your sources know, was it one thing that sparked president trump's interest here? why does he want greenland? >> there are also varying stories as to where this idea came from, who planted it in his head in the first place. one person told us that he was at a round table and someone told him that denmark was actually having financial trouble because it provides subsidies to greenland. denmark is a big reason why greenland functions, otherwise it would be a really poor country. someone said you should help them out and take it off their hands and he started to ask around can i do that. green land has come up numerous times as far as any kind of military or national security strategy in the arc tick as far as confronting china and russia and
their ambitions and it gets the wheels turning in his head whenever those stories come up. so obviously it's something that has been considered. and just as you pointed out rightly, it has been done and this is something that was really surprising over the course of your reporting this story when we first heard it and we were kind of laughing about it. then the more we started this research this, we were like hold on, maybe this isn't so off the ball. and a big reason that the u.s. wanted to buy it in 1946 right after world war ii was that she wanted to pursue this possible arctic exploration. in exchange there was a quid pro quo, they were going to give denmark a chunk of alaska. they were going to give denmark $100 million and a chunk of alaska and the u.s. in turn would take greenland. so i don't think any of that is going to happen or anything even similar to that. so we're probably a long way from any of this happening. also there's the minor point that the people in greenland would probably have a say in the
matter. >> right, minor point that greenland says sheer not for sale. >> and i think the u.s. congress would have to have a say in it. we'll wait and see. >> i did read that portion of your reporting three times. like really? this has come up twice before. i was fascinated by it. thanks for bringing it to us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, there's a measure this morning, a new measure this morning on the state of the 2020 race showing senator elizabeth warren is on the rise, making some big strides. it also shows some red flags for president trump. that is next. try dawn ultra. dawn is for more than just dishes. with 3x more grease cleaning power per drop, it tackles tough grease on a variety of surfaces. try dawn ultra.
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on the rise, democratic presidential candidate senator elizabeth warren making big gains in a new fox pole. support among democratic primary voters, warren is now at 20% support, a big improvement in the polls. as one goes up, another must go down and that very clearly when it comes to warren is bernie sanders. sanders now at 10% support. what are voters saying about elizabeth warren? what do they like? why are they then still so
concerned? joining me now is national correspondent for "the new york times." jonathan, you took a deep dive into the conversation about elizabeth warren, what voters like, don't like, what they're talking about in the key states of iowa, new hampshire and south carolina. very different places, very different democratic voters. was there a consensus among them of what they like about warren, first, as we see her steady growth in the polls? >> yes, there's definitely consensus about what they like, which is she's got a plan, her catch phrase. they can't always name all the plans but they like she has plans. and they like the fact that she is a sharp, articulate and obviously very intelligent candidate. that's the consensus of what they like about her. now, there's oftentimes a concern that's articulated immediately after what they like about her. and oftentimes that concern resolves around can she win. >> let me read that bit, because i think at least some of it from
your piece, because this is quite interesting. it says, you write, these democrats worry that her uncompromising liberalism would alienate moderates who are otherwise willing to oppose the president. many fear ms. warren's past claims of native american ancestry would allow mr. trump to drown out her pofl message with his attacks and slurs against her. and you also write there are democrats who chasend by hillary clinton's defeat in 2016 believe that a woman cannot win in 2020. really? >> yeah, it's striking over the course of a couple of months this summer, kate, talking to voters. not just at warren events but events for other candidates, just how often you hear the same themes. and invariably those are the three issues that come up. sometimes together, sometimes in isolation. it's what is she going to say when trump calls her pocahontas, because that's growing to drown
out her broader policy message. and i think having seen what trump did in 2016 both to republicans and hillary with the nicknames and attacks, that does cause some fear. and even the moderate democrats, there is concern about running too far to the left in this country, given that the key states that you have to get 270 attend to be more middle of the road states. but then you do hear -- and by the way, kate, us often hear it from women, not men. they all say it bluntly, that they have ptsd from 2016 and we are skeptical about where the country is now on gender. they say 2016 proved that they are not ready for a female president and we have to play it safe this time around. >> it almost sounds like a lot of these voters don't need to hear more because of the concerns that they've laid out,
they know about elizabeth warren. it almost seems that is one of -- i don't know if it's a red flag for elizabeth warren, but it was one thing that really jumped out to me from your conversations with folks. >> yeah, and look, i think some of this she can actually overcome. she's a very talented political athlete, especially for someone who got into politics very late. i think she's had two good debate performs and i talked to her with iowa about this. she said the way you overcome this is by success. and i think more debate performances could allay these fears. and then when you get into the primary, if you win in iowa or new hampshire, that begets success, so i think that could help her here assuage the concerns. >> david chalian said to me about the whole question of
electability, people think you're electable once you've won something. so if you do well in iowa, then obviously that can snowball in a good way for you. it's great to see you. >> there's very much something to that. and just real fast, by the way, more than any recent primary, just the phrase electability or viability comes up so often, kate. it's remarkable how much democrats are looking at it through the prism of not who do i like but who would win. we hear it time and time again out on the trail. >> great to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you, kate. >> after a wild week of growing fears of a coming recession, president trump is reportedly rattled over the u.s. economy. more concern than he's letting on publicly, what is the white house planning to do about it?
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the united states right now has the hottest economy anywhere in the world, but you have no choice but to vote for me because your 401(k)s down the tubes, everything is going to be down the tubes. so whether you love me or hate me, you've got to vote for me. >> that was president trump last night at a rally with supporters touting his confidence and very clearly basing his reelection on the economy. behind-the-scenes it seems president trump is less confident. privately, however, the president has sounded anxious and apprehensive and one republican telling the post that
the president is quote, unquote, rattled. should he be? what is the administration planning to do about it? joining me right now is gene sper ling, the former director of the national council under obama and clinton. you just heard president trump there. what do you say to that? >> i think sometimes president trump doesn't always quite speak the truth and there's sometimes i think he says the opposite of the truth he's thinking and i think the opposite of that is his concern, i think rightfully, that even the people who like him are going to now think they should vote against him because they have now watched this type of economic narcissim and this kind of e rattic steps in tweeting. i've called it drunk driving type of economic management. that they see can be harmful. yes, donald trump q.at inheriting, he's good at inheriting wealth and he was good at heading an economy that was moving in the right
directions in many ways. butlet not overdo that. the china trade deficit is worse under his watch than under president obama. and i think you're now starting to see that this kind of recklessness ends up both having self-inflicted wounds on the u.s. and hurts the global economy in ways that hurts us. so if you're an agricultural exporter you're looking at terrible numbers, exports cut in half. if you're a soybean farmer, you're worried whether you'll be permanently replaced by brazil. and i think the other thing which donald trump has a hard time understanding is that if you create so much uncertainty, so much recklessness and disruption that you actually are successful in hurting the china economy a little or hurting germany's economy, that's not good for us. this isn't the yankees versus
the red sox. if there's less global demand for steel, for agriculture, for phones, for our products, the things we make, that is not good for the u.s. economy. so i think -- >> go ahead. >> i was just going to conclude, i think what he really -- his comment was very interesting. i think it's exactly the opposite. he knows there are people out there who have liked him but are getting impatient with the economy, and now what he's fearing is that even some people who were driven to some of his perhaps rhetoric or the outsider stance he was trying to take are now saying enough is enough. this guy is too reckless to manage or help manage the u.s. and global economy. >> one thing we do know, right or wrong, every president gets to claim when the economy is doing well underneath -- during their term. we do know that. but i do want to read you something else that the
"washington post" is reporting about kind of the state of affairs on the economy at the white house. administration officials are not actively planning for a recession because they do not believe one will occur and they worry that making such plans would validate a negative narrative about the economy and precipitate a crash. you were the economic adviser to obama and clinton. is that a position that you all took, not look at contingency plans or plan for if things could go south because it would look bad? >> i mean, this is what concerns me. when i used the drunk driving analogy, usually when people drive drunk they don't get into an accident, but it dramatically increases the chance of something terrible happening so you don't do that. every time that you do something reckless or troublesome, it doesn't always hurt the economy. but it increases the chance that something terrible would happen. you've got to take the economy
seriously. your signals, what you do, whether you're democrat or republican, there needs to be that sense of responsibility. and what we've seen is look at the last threat on china. i'm for being tougher on china, but this last threat was reckless, it's caused trouble. he's had to pull back and admit the tariffs actually do hurt u.s. consumers. it's not a type of serious policy. having a huge $2 trillion deficit increase to give mostly corporations and high-income individuals tax cuts at a time the economy was doing fairly well was not a well-designed, well-targeted way to help long-term growth. and then to look at the kind of troubles that we're having and at least not have a plan, as they say, that when you're digging a hole, digging a ditch, stop digging. some doing some of the reckless type of management. and then to not even be planning
for the economic signal, it's exactly that type of lack of economic seriousness that is unique to this administration. and whether you like democratic or republican administrations in the past there was a degree of professionalism coming from the top, coming from the oval office that you're not seeing here. >> thanks for the time. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate it. it's been 25 years since jeff bezos started this thing called amazon, selling books out of his garage. amazon's rise has been phenomenal and it is now developing following that it's really personal. cnn's poppy harlow took a special look at the power house company. >> according to bloomberg, amazon is working on a wearable device that can read human emotions. >> voice profiles give you the ability to teach alexa your voice. >> using a baseline of your bio metrics. >> alexa, close the shades, please. >> are you depressed, are you happy, are you manic? have you had a stroke and you don't realize it yet? do you have early onset
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you may remember yesterday we brought you the story of antonio basko. he lost his wife in the mass shooting in el paso 13 days ago. his wife was his only family. he is now alone and his grief has been met by an outpouring of support from the el paso community and beyond. when he offered an open invitation to anyone and everyone to join him for his wife's funeral today, even the funeral home was stunned by the overwhelming response. hundreds of expected to attend today as he prepares to say his final good-bye to margie. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: tony basko loved only one person in the world, and now she's gone. >> and she loved you a lot. >> i don't even know what she
seen in me sometimes. we had wonderful years, the best years of my whole life. >> reporter: tony has no other family. his wife, margie, just a few family members but none in the el paso area. attendance at her funeral was expected to be minimal, until the internet took over. tweets from journalists and media outlets sent out messages of support from tony. then there was this facebook post from the funeral home saying he was married 22 years to his wife, margie. he had no other family. he welcomes anyone to attend his wife's services. people from all over the united states have contacted the funeral home as well as tony to say they plan to attend margie's funeral. >> there are going to be hundreds of people here probably from all around the country. how does that make you feel? >> i love it. it's nice to see people really caring about people. there's going to be a lot of
people now. i told you it was important. >> reporter: they had been married for 22 years. tony says his life had been very difficult prior to meeting her. >> what would you like people to know about margie? >> she was a caring, loving, the most beautifulest person. >> reporter: every day now he goes to the memorial site next to the walmart, taking exquisite care of margie's memorial, making sure the flowers and the wind chimes which she always loved so much looked the best they can. >> where did you meet her? >> omaha, nebraska, in a bar. >> and you were single, she was single? >> never been -- >> was it love at first sight? >> oh, man, you can't imagine. >> reporter: tony is still waking up each morning in disbelief that she is gone. >> i'm looking at the front door just waiting for her to walk in. i've even tried to call her on
the phone. >> you have? >> i've tried to. >> reporter: at the memorial site, tony tells margie that some day he will meet her in heaven. >> what have you been up to? what do you do up there? i want you to tell me something. >> reporter: tony is now beginning a new life alone. but for at least one day at margie's funeral he won't be. >> she made me the happiest man in the world and the luckiest. there's nobody luckier than me in this whole world. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, el paso, texas. >> those funeral services are today. ahead still for us, democratic congressman rashida tlaib says she is, quote, being silenced and treated like a criminal so she is now cancelling her visit to israel. her reason and israel's response, ahead. ♪ relaxing guitar
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we explore what made woodstock so epic in a new cnn special. this is so good and you've just allowed me to see a taste of it. >> kate, i couldn't decide which shirt to wear today. i figure if you're going to wear the tie dye i could go with this one or this one. which do you think? i think this is more appropriate. >> for this show for sure. >> as you talked about it, divided america. could this happen again? that was my animating mission statement. why did what should have been a humanitarian disaster turn into this amazing symbol of human connection and have we evolved past that right now. >> really amazing. let's take a look -- well, you get to interview one of my favoritest favorite people. >> i look at how many people are still together with peace, love and music and how many bands like crosby stills and nash aren't talking to each other. and david crosby amazingly open. i got to hang out with him. as he reflects as many boomers do on the end of the song. >> in this burst of creativity
that you've had, you sing about death. do you think about how you want to be remembered? >> not so much. the songs will do that. they're the best i can do. that's the weird thing, everybody is scared to talk about it. the question is what are you going to do with it? how do you spend that two weeks or that ten years? and i got that figured out. family, music. ♪ we've got to get ourselves back to the ♪ >> because it's the only thing i can do. >> he's on track to record five albums in five years. somehow he survived, you know, heroin and the texas prison and eight extentestents in his hear. there's 400,000 stories at woodstock. >> did you find that woodstock could happen again? >> i think it's really hard. and i follow michael lang as he
tried to make it happen again and stage this massive concert and paid $32 million up front to artists who in the end kept it and we got no concert. but i think it's a statement on where we've come but the hope that we can hang on to. >> bill is such a story teller and he really does it justice. please watch, you guys. catch cnn's special report tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. that's it for us. "inside politics" with the great john king starts right now. >> thank you, kate. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. thank you for sharing your day with us. an israeli official says congresswoman rashida tlaib must hate israel more than she loves her grandmother. this after she asked for permission to see family in the palestinian territories and then says never mind when israel says yes. plus, a new complication in the china challenge. the white house okays a major arms sale to taiwan, something