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and people inside from accidentally visiting sites that aren't secure. and if someone trys we'll let you know. xfi advanced security. if it's connected, it's protected. call, click, or visit a store today. this is cnn tonight. i'm laura coates in for don lemon. the president is doubling down on congresswoman tlaib. israel later agreed to let congresswoman talib visit her 90-year-old grandmother in the west bank, but only if she agreed not to boycott during her
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trip. that prompted a tweet storm from the president. israel was very respective and nice to representative rasheda sloo tlaib. as soon as she was granted permission, she grandstanded and loudly proclaimed she would not visit israel. could this possibly have been a setup? israel acted appropriately. the president went on to add a real below-the-belt insult saying the only real winner here is tlaib's grandmother, she doesn't have to see her now. now insults like that are beneath the office of the president. to be displaying all of this on the world stage just makes matters worse. but will the president continue his policy of governing by grievance with 2020 looming? here to talk about all that and more are my guests.
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hello to all of you on a friday night. i'm glad to have this particular panel. you wrote a really fascinating piece about the president governing by grievance, as you call it and i want to get to all the experiences that you list out in that article. first i've got to begin with the president encouraging the banning of two congresswomen from entering israel. please explain how this is a prime example of the president governing by grievance. >> we normally do not expect an american president to side with a foreign ally to bar the entry of u.s. members of congress. normal lic normally you'd spreexpect the president to be fighting on behalf of the u.s. citizens to go wherever they want to. in this situation, the president has a feud with the so-called squad he's trying to elevate for domestic political purposes. the israeli government was ready
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to let them in, they said a month ago they would let them in out of respect for congress but then president trump got involved and put private and public pressure on the israeli government and they reversed course. this is an instance where the president is using the powers of the bully pulpit to exact revenge and take out vendettas against his enemies. this is the latest incidents of of president attacking freshman members of congress because he wanted to punish them for comments they've made not only about israel but negative comments about him personally. >> alice, the president's tweet, represent tlaib's grandmother, you have to admit it's downright nasty. what policy interests are served by attacking the relationship between a woman and her grandmother? any explanation for us?
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>> the policy that he is trying to shine the light on is something that i support, america's relationship with israel, and his commitment to continuing to make that very strong. he has been very committed to israel by moving the embassy to jerusalem and that is a big issue with his base. so by engaging with congresswoman tlaib and the squad in general, he is doing two things, signaling to the base that i have israel's back, they are a great ally, i will support them, this is his way by attacking thinks equipmecongres who have made comments disparaging to israel and in my view are anti-semitic. he is painting the squad as the face of the democratic party and the anti-jewish comments as the face of the democratic party.
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this is a way to kill two political birds with one stone. >> the problem is the way you're compartmentalizing and talking about these issues of policy and perceived anti-semitism that you're articulating here, is there some reason why there has to be, one, the distraction, two, the fixation and, three, the insult to her grandmother and their relationship. doesn't that derail the actual things you're talking about? >> it does but this is his style. he governs by grievance as he conducted business by bullying. you can flex your muscle without punching someone in the face. the president doesn't agree with this philosophy. this is how he is running the white house and how we will continue to do so. in his mind if it ain't broke, don't fix it. i don't see this being harmful to him in the 2020 reelection because this is how he has operated to this point and he will continue to do so. >> the thing about the country
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is that it should last past 2020 and, and, asha, are we going to see a lasting impact beyond how it might impact the president of the united states? will there be a lasting impact here on diplomacy? >> well, he's definitely tramping norms, laura. look, governing by grievance is just a dumb way to govern. it creates both legal liability and national security liability. so if you look at the examples that toluse listed in his article, there are a lot of things that the president can do that are within his power but if he does them for the wrong reasons, if he does them for his own vendettas or personal gain, they can become a crime. this is the heart of the mueller report. this is what obstruction of justice is about in all those
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instances laid out. when he goes to the world stage, he has more latitude to operate and you don't want to advertise to other countries how fragile your ego is and how it can be manipulated. you can fight in your family but when it comes to other people, you tell them to butt out. the president is signaling he's willing to air his dirty laundry and let other countries interfere if it benefits him, even if it's not in the best interests of the country or undermines our institutions like congress. >> earlier this year trump denied speaker pelosi access to a military plane she was trying to take to visit troops in afghanistan. he wrote "obviously if you would like to make your journey by flying commercial, that would certainly be your prerogative." you also have instances where the president of the united states has gone after people like hillary clinton and as asha talked about, the notion of the
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mueller report, saying he even tried to get the entire department of justice to investigate. is this an issue where this pattern now will be the practice and this pattern is here to stay? >> we have seen this president get more comfortable with the powers that he has as the commander in chief, as the president, as the leader of the executive branch over lthe firs two and a half years in office. as time has passed, he has used some of those pop-uppers wers a it with his feud with nancy pelosi during the government shutdown where he grounded her plane, an unprecedented action of a president, blocking a speaker of the house to be able to go visit u.s. troops. that was a sign of things to come. the president has been more willing to push the powers and pursue these grievances through the vast powers that the american people give to a president by electing him and to
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use them in ways that have not been used in the past by presidents who have been more prudent with that power. i would expect, especially as we get towards 2020 as the president is thinking about his reelection and thinking about ways to go against his enemies, i would expect him to continue to use his powers and executive authorities to explore how far he can go without getting pushback from people within his own party who for the most part have condoned most of his actions. >> you know what that means? that means this we're going to ten this conversation. thank you for your time. fascinating article. it seems that for this president the right to free speech only applies if you agree with him. what would our found being fathers think of that? i'll make my case next. okay, paint a picture for me.
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and a trump supporter tried to remove the protesters. let me repeat that. a trump supporter. that's when the president said this -- >> that guy's got a serious weight problem. go home, start exercising. get him out of here, please. got a bigger problem than i do. got a bigger problem than all of us. now he goes home and his mom says what the hell have you just done? >> the president clearly of thought the man he was insulting was a protester, not one of his own supporters. and, frankly, donald trump has long trafficked in that kind of bullying and insults but always aimed at protesters, simply because they disagree with him, even encouraging violence against them.
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>> get him out of here. get him out of here. go home to your mom, darling. go home. get him out of here. out. was that a man or a woman because he needs a hair cut more than i do. couldn't tell. couldn't tell. i couldn't tell. needs a hair cut. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. okay? just knock the hell -- i promise you i will pay for the legal fees, i promise. i promise. go home to mommy. bye. bye! get him out. try not to hurt him. if you do, i'll defend you in court, don't worry about it. >> after last night's rally,
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after the president fat shamed his own supporters, well, he was briefed on his mistake and cnn's caitlin collins reports he called the man and thanked him for his support, but a white house official said he did not apologize making it very clear the president did not even use the word sorry or apologize, god forbid, although that trump supporter, by the way, seems to have gotten the closest thing from an apology from this president, who actually smoothed things oaf whver when he realizs mistake, he used his favorite weapon of choice, insults, on someone who was on his side. it seems the right to free speech for this president applies if you agree with him. but things are very different when it comes to folks who disagree with the president. then you get punished.
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he this week urged israel to ban two congress women. and he tweeted last month those congress women and two others should go back to the countries they came from, which would be america because those congresswomen are u.s. citizens. then the president stood by while his supporters chanted his own racist words. >> omar has a history of launching vicious anti-semitic screeds. >> the president allowing, encouraging that racist chant. those words, why?
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because the congresswomen have spoken out against him and against his policies and that's something he just cannot tolerate, not being surrounded by yes men and women. and that brings me to this -- the free speech the president cares most about is his own. and we know how much he needs a big crowd there to hear his words. and this week he got one. at his energy rally in pennsylvania. but let's take a closer look at that speech at a shell plant. it was supposed to be about energy policy, which is an official taxpayer funded event. instead, it turned into a rambling campaign speech, including joking about calling off the 2020 election. >> have they ever called off an election before? just said, look, let's go, four more years. yeah.
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and then you really want to drive them crazy, go to #third term #fourth term. you'll drive them totally crazy. >> the "pittsburgh post gazette" is reporting that shell and its contractors gave the audience full of union workers a choice, the choice of either showing up for the president's speech or taking the day off without pay. the event was classified as a training session. the workers' attendance wasn't mandatory, it wasn't mandatory, but if they wanted to get paid for that day, they'd have to show up at 7 a.m. and scan their cards, stand for hours with no lunch and listen to a guest speaker, the president of the united states. now i'm sure, certain, that a lot of those workers were happy to be there. one local union manager told the "post gazet" and said we're glad to have the jobs and anyone who
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doesn't want to show up is free to do so but if you didn't want to be there and decided to sit out the event, you not only wouldn't get paid that day but you wouldn't qualify for overtime pay today. one union leader telling the paper losing one day of pay could cost a worker around $700. so you had a choice not to go as long as you were willing to forfeit a chunk of your weekly salary. is that putting a price on free speech? free speech, which the president of the united states is supposed to be defending at all costs. free speech means nothing if you only support it for views that you like. what is america if not a nation founded, a nation of dissenters? but a true patriot would actually know that. joining me now to discuss, niera
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huck, fabulous to have you on the show. the president had all these union workers behind him for what was supposed to be a speech focused on energy policy and instead they got this, take a listen. >> i did very well here. we did very well. how many points did we win by? does anybody know? i'll tell you. i think 28 points. that's a lot. that's against a democrat. or whatever. what a group. pocahontas and sleepy joe. i don't think they give a damn about western pennsylvania. you nope the academy awards is on hard times, you know that. nobody wants to watch it. you know why? because they started taking us on and now it's just another show because people got tired of people getting up and making fools of themselves. this thing is costing me a fortune being president.
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every day they sue me more somethi something. >> we don't have time to fact check all the things that are actually demonstrably false there. ultimately, did the president do something like a bait and switch with these workers? is that what happened here, a bait and switch? >> absolutely. and the problem is we've gotten used to and comfortable with the bait and switch because it's bob mueller the norm with donald trump. the history of presidential campaigns and the intersection with the office of the presidency is that the campaign pays for campaign time. and when you're going to do something on behalf of taxpayers, for example, talking about infrastructure, we've all been waiting for infrastructure week and that investment that's supposed to come into our roads and bridges and energy grids, that gets paid on the taxpayer dime. when donald trump uses taxpayer dollars to do this kind of event, he fundamentally undermining the democracy and the rules we've always decided that we're going to live by and
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unfortunately it's coming at the expense of hard working americans who now are just along for the ride. >> you know, you have great experience in this area, particularly international diplomacy. you're the right person to talk about this. the president went after and used a foreign leader to try to keep congresswomen out of israel. now, netanyahui defended israels b ban, comparing it to denying entrance of a member of the knesset. what's your response to the idea of what the president encourages and net you've's anyahunetanyah? >> that's part of why even though israel had designated this organization as a terrorist organization, because this person was a duly elected representative, they defended
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him and gave him a seat in their knesset. now u.s. laws are a little stricter than that. if you are a convicted felon, you can't run for office, let alone vote. but the idea that donald trump would actually undermine the freedom of speech of his opposition and mind you this is not the only group of people that have argued against restrictions to israel. groups of members of congress have been going to israel for years, have seen both sides, multiple sides of the issue. in fact, the same group that was going to bring rashida tlaib and congressman omar had brought four men just a couple of weeks earlier. there seems to be something very person with donald trump with these two members of congress in particular and the fact that he encouraged another government to undermine them as representatives really speaks a lot about where we are in the american experiment and where we are with the social contract we've made with our government and where we are is it's all at risk right now.
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. the attorney for the family of a man shot in the back and killed by police in colorado springs is calling for an independent investigation. 19-year-old devon bailey was shot and killed as he ran for police responding to a call of an armed robbery on august 3rd. but the body cam videos of the shooting are raising questions about exactly what happened. cnn's scott mclean has more but i must warn you, some of what you're about to see is graphic and disturbing. >> colorado springs 911. >> on august 3rd, a man in colorado springs called 911 to
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report he had just been robbed by two men at gun point. >> one of the guys started hitting me and i fall to the ground. >> reporter: not fall from the caller's location, a police officer found 19-year-old devon bailly and another man. newly released body camera video shows what happened next. >> we got a report of two people similar descriptions possibly having a gun, all right? don't reach for your waist. we're going to check to make sure you don't have a weapon, all right? >> heads up, heads up, heads up! get your hands up, get your hands up, get your hands up! get down on the ground. >> bailey was shot three times in the back and once in the arm. he was pronounced dead at the hospital. the county sheriff eav's officed early on one of them reached for
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a firearm. but a private surveillance tapes showed him falling to the ground. the body camera footage shows a more complete picture. >> i know everyone says my son was killed by a white cop and he's a black man in the community. yes, those are facts. but that's not what this is about. this is about what's right is right and what's wrong is wrong. what's wrong is my son was shot in the back by law enforcement. >> bailey's family wants an independent investigation. the colorado springs police department released the body camera footage along with edited versions that made clear that one officer shouted hands up three times before shooting. but bailey's hands were not up or even at his sides, they are out of view at his waist band. almost immediately police recovered a handgun. bailey's lawyers don't dispute that but they say he never reached for it. >> as i look at the video, i see
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a young man holding his pants as his running away. he doesn't make any turn or show any gun. >> a 1985 landmark court ruling says police cannot shoot a suspect just to keep them from getting away but they can use force if there is a significant threat of death or serious physical injury. >> you have no hesitation about using the word execution in. >> i think that's what the video shows. >> the case has been turned over to the local district attorney's office to determine if there was an imminent threat. in the meantime, both of the officers involved are now back on patrol. laura? >> thank you, scott. i'll speak with the attorney for the family of devon bailey, who says he has doubts about getting a fair investigation. that's next.
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there are questions being raised about the fatal police shooting of 19-year-old devon bailey in colorado springs. the answer to those questions may come from the video of the shooting and what it shows about what bailey was doing with his hands as he was running away. in order to give the proper context for our discussion, we're going to play the video one last time, but i'll warn you again, it's very difficult to watch. >> put your hands up. so we got a report of two people
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similar descriptions, possibly having a gun, all right? don't reach for your waist. we're going to just check to make sure you don't have a weapon, all right? heads up, heads u-- hands up, hands up, hands up! get your hands up, get your hands up, get your hands up! get down on the ground. >> joining me is devon bailey's attorney. this whole situation is extremely tragic for the family. a funeral was held for devon today. how is his family holding up? >> well, laura, of course they're devastated and today was particularly profound, sad day for them. they did have the funeral, yesterday they had the wake and all of while they're dealing with colorado springs' response to this, which is at a minimum very hurtful to them.
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today colorado springs put the police officers involved right back on the streets, presumably with their guns. >> i understand there's a discrepancy between what was phoned into police, the 911 call that led to the confrontation and what the bailey family actually says happened. can you tell us what they say happened here? >> well, the bailey familiy knos what happened. the videos have told us exactly what happened. devon was running for his life. he turned around and ran as fast as he could away from the officers. that's why we think it's going to be almost impossible for the officers to prove to a jury that they were in imminent fear of death or bodily harm themselves. anyone watching that video sees that devon was trying to get away as best he company. >> it's going to be desided by what the d.a. believes devon is doing with his hands as he ran away. what is it that you see sm.
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>> i also predict that the district attorney will clear these officers as they do every single time. the family is concerned this is nothing remotely close to a fair investigation or a fair prosecutorial decision. we believe there should be an independent investigation by the colorado bureau of investigation and then to turn it over to the colorado attorney general's office for a prosecutorial decision. you can't just hand this over to el paso county, which is staffed by the same people who have been in the colorado springs police department and expect to have a fair, trustworthy, legitimate investigation. >> what would that look like? what do you want them to be looking for? how would a legitimate investigation actually look like? >> well, a legitimate investigation would be conducted by people who don't know the police officers involved. right now they've turned it over to the el paso county sheriff's department. the undersheriff and the person involved in internal investigations like are former employees of the colorado springs police department. the undersheriff was the chief
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of police as recently as march of this year. so they're handing it right over to their friends and they're going to ask for clearance. when people die at the hands at the sheriff's department such as up at the jail, they hand it over to the colorado springs police department for similar clearance. hence we never get any prosecution of any law enforcement killings in colorado springs. >> so what do we make of the fact that he actually did ultimately have a gun in his possession? >> he did have a gun, although he never had his hand on the gun, the police officers never saw a gun, he was not reaching for a gun, he was holding his pants up as he ran as fast as he could away. the law just doesn't allow police officers to shoot somebody mere live becauly beca have a gun. and even if you're fleeing it doesn't give officers the right to do that. if you had a concealed carry permit and a legal right to carry, that doesn't mean you can shoot -- be shot if you're running away from law
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enforcement. and you couldn't shoot someone if they were running away from you. there has to be an imminent threat of death or bodily injury to yourself. basically self-defense but that wasn't the case here. >> please embassy textend our cs to the family. it's difficult all the way around. >> joining us to talk about the legal issues is the author of "make it rain." this case had a lot of different factors at play. one of the things the danchts and prosecutors are going to be reviewing this incident and what do they have to consider here? >> obviously the body cam video is very important in a case like this and we know there's some surveillance videotape that may be available to the district
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attorney's office and additionally thele eyewitness testimony. mr. bailey was with his cousin. his cousin has already given a statement that he never saw devon turn around, reach for a gun or do anything that was suggestive of him threatening the officer. so his eyewitness testimony is also going to be very critical, but ultimately, as you know, that supreme court case comes down to whether these officers or this officer that shot devon believed that he was an imminent threat either to the officer or anyone in the community. >> that benefit of doubt is going to reign very large in this. you'll have to come back and follow the story with us. >> thanks, laura. we'll be right back. it's time for the biggest sale of the year on the
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>> identi"easy rider" was a gro breaking film was it released. here we are 50 years later. what kind of impact did it have on the culture, doug? >> it had a seismic impact. it was woodstock meeting "easy rider," the beginning of the up popularizing of the culture. dennis hopper did a big movie called "the wild angels" with motorcycles a star and then by the time he did "easy rider," it was the new way to discover that american road. and the sound track to "easy rider" was astounding. bop d bob dylan's version and
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stepanwolf's "born to the wild," so it became like a sound track for that counterculture generation dealing with lsd, marijuana and the famous open road that walt whitman long ago wrote about. >> there's the song right 50 years old, this film had a budget of about $400,000. it went on to gross $60 million, and the fact that it was part of a revolution in hollywood, how can that be? >> it is pretty amazing. and for the time, it's revolutionary. there are stories about the shooting of the film and some of the crazy things that went on. they shot in a cemetery in new orleans without permission. peter did an interview in which he said they shot in new orleans without any permission, and used extras because they figured they
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could use people for free because they were already in costume for mardi gras. things that would just never happen today. >> jane fonda put out a statement about her brother's passing, saying i'm very sad. he was my sweethearted baby brother. the talker of the family. i've had beautiful alone time with him his last days, and he went out laughing. was part of his acting dynasty, hollywood royalty, he was part of all of that. >> yes, absolutely. he had a long career in tv and movies, he did a film, "ulee's gold," and he co-wrote the screenplay of "easy rider," and worked with dennis hopper.
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and out of that "easy rider" movie, jack nicholson came into the forefront of american cinema. so, when i teach classes in american history of the '60s and '70s, we show "easy rider," because along with hunter thompson's "fear and loathing in las vegas," these are real tools to understand a particular era in american life. and peter fonda was one of the greats of hollywood cinema. >> and we see that tonight, that many in hollywood are roadweact to the news. ava duvarnay saying rest in peace, kind sir. what will be his legacy? >> first of all, he, i think, will always be connected with this countercultural movement.
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and something that happened in hollywood in the late '60s and early '70s. there was a rebirth of creativity, and you saw it throughout the late '60s and early '70s, and it led to a rebirth and reinvention of the hollywood studio. i think he will always be connected with that. and his entire family, they're a hollywood legacy family. >> i lost your connection, but you're right. the legacy lives on. not just for "easy rider" but so many other wonderful works. we'll be right back. discover card. hi, do you have a travel card? we do! the discover it® miles card. earn unlimited 1.5 miles on every purchase,
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now. thanks for watching. our coverage continues. good evening. the end of another difficult and turbulent week. we begin with what president trump is doing to calm the waters, heal the divisions and giving people a reason to believe things will be better if we can all just pull together. i'm kidding. today one of the two congresswomen he persuaded the israeli government to keep out of the country as part of the vendetta against him turned down an offer to let her in to visit her grandmother on the west bank. the congresswoman talib said no to conditions that would have barred her from airing views about boycotting israel. she and ilhan omar are as you know two of the four congresswoman of color whom the president has been attacking repeatedly. there are also whatever you may think of politics or political talents legislative backed ventures that occupy the nation's mindspace, the national mindspace they do because the president targeted them. but this is what the president wants. he wants the diverse, the

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