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nuclear forces treaty accusing russia of multiple violations. the missile was launched from an island off california and hit a target more than 300 miles away. erin burnett outfront starts right now. . outfront next, trump floats a new conspiracy theory on voter fraud. breaking news, recession fears. the white house reportedly considering a new tax cut to keep the economy going. so, why is the president saying the economy has never been better. and elizabeth warren apologizes for the controversial dna test. is it enough to silence her critics? let's go outfront. outfront tonight trump is pushing a new conspiracy theory once again about voter fraud. this time, though, it's google's fault apparently. report just out google
minipulated votes for hillary clinton in 2016 election. this was put out from a clinton supporter. google should be sued. my victory was even bigger than thought. bigger than thought. there is no evidence of that. there is no real evidence of that, i should say. his theory based off not a new report, even, but congressional testimony from last month, testimony that got little attention and was largely ignored until the theory appeared today on fox business discussing claims by a researcher who claims google may have shifted millions of votes to hillary clinton. how? well, epistein, the researcher blames bias in search results. >> google's search algorithm likely shifted at least 3.6
million votes to hillary clinton. the 2.6 million is a rock bottom minimum. the range is between 2.6 and 10.4 million. >> but to be clear, there is no evidence that search results were skewed. additionally, google denies that. and take it one step further, if search results were biassed, there is no evidence that it changed a single vote. but in typical trump fashion, none of that context matters or the fact that all real evidence shows that hillary clinton won the popular vote. clinton was quick to respond to the president's new claim tweeting this. the study was based on 21 undecided voters for context, that's about half the number of people associated with your campaign who have been indicted. clearly still no love lost there. and here is the thing. this isn't the first time that the president has pushed baseless claims about millions
of illegal votes. remember this from president trump's policy adviser, steven miller. >> having worked before on a campaign in new hampshire, i can tell you that this issue of bussing voters in is wildly known, it's very real. it's very serious. this morning on this show is not the venue for me to lay out all the evidence. >> there is no evidence of that. i have spoken to the offices of the secretary of state of new hampshire and the attorney general's office when he was talking about this and they didn't have evidence of seeing buses coming in. there is that, and then there is this. >> many places like california, the same person votes many times. you probably heard about that. they like to say that's a conspiracy theory. not a conspiracy theory. millions of people. they are voting like really early. we have to discuss that early thing. that's sort of so many things are going on.
i wonder what happens during the evenings when those places are locked. >> again, no evidence no matter how many times you say it. the president's own commission to investigate widespread voter fraud found none before it disbanded. i'm going to speak to a member of that commission in just a moment. first kaitlan collins, why is the president -- conspiracy theories we know he has an affinity for -- but why is he pushing this conspiracy theory? >> reporter: the president has had the accusation that google is biassed against him. he once claimed they were suppressing stories about him without evident. now, he clearly saw the clip that you played of the psychologi psychologist. the president is claiming that google manipulated votes, but in the study it is widely disputed and denied by google, the psychologist is saying there is
bias in the search results for google, and that's what gave the votes to hillary clinton even though the person doesn't explain what he means by google gave the votes to hillary clinton. the president has taken the claim and run with it. even though it doesn't match what the author himself said, the president is still maintaining that there was a change in the votes. this fits a pattern that the president has had that he has long insisted that he should have won the popular vote. it has bothered since 2016. even just yesterday you were playing clips of the president talking about voter fraud, just yesterday as the president was leaving his vacation in new jersey and coming back to the white house, he was alleging that there was voter fraud. he was talking about voter i.d. laws and how there needed to be stronger ones. one reporter pointed out your
own voter fraud commission disbanded because it couldn't find anything. the president continued to make these allegations even though there was nothing to back them up. this also helps the president use this tactic of feeding into the distrust of tech companies, something he thinks can help him in the election. >> it's like a value meal deal of like his favorite conspiracy theory topics. outfront now, former presidential adviser to four presidents, and matthew donelap, maine's secretary of state. thank you guys for being here. david, the president is pushing at another conspiracy theory about voter fraud. caitlyn laid out how he didn't get the theory right. why now? why again? what is this? >> he's so bloody insecure. this has been an issue that had
been with him since the elections, because he feels that people don't see him as a legitimate president unless he won the majority vote. and he wants to sort of convince people otherwise. you know, we have to look at himself. he's been spinning out conspiracy theories more frequently now than he used to. he accuses the press of trying to bring him down on the economy, so it wouldn't be good for him. in this case, this testimony is weeks old. it just came up on fox. and the -- mr. epstein, this is not a peer review argument. it's not an article that appeared anywhere. professor epstein saw on the internet appears to have last been an academic at the
university of the south pacific and he was -- he had a non-tenured job. typically in disputes like this, academics have a chance to peer review and talk it over and compare notes. it's not one man carrying a spear and can get on national television. >> until now. >> if you allow for the logic that the president is laying out here, just go with me, then president trump it seems to me would also have to accept that russia's interference and disinformation in the 2016 election also as he put it manipulated votes, but that would be manipulated votes for him, right? >> that's exactly right. president trump continues to adhere to the double standard diet. he is quick to point the finger at interference or influence that is unhelpful to him while opening the door to accepting foreign dirt or using media platforms. it's a double standard.
to david's point, the president's insecurities are making america insecure in a very specific way. we have been reading today about the chinese government, the communist government using information war fare to spread lies about protests in hong k g kong. we know that vladimir putin sews conspiracy theories. the president of the united states is doing exactly the same thing. we can analyze why he's doing it, but the fact of the matter is that it's almost like he's waking up every day and deciding he's going to make vladimir putin's job a little bit easier by spreading these lies about our democracy. and at this point, he doesn't need to get information on voter fraud or influence from a tenured or an untenured professor. he has an intelligence community. he has a new acting director of nationalgen intelligence. he's cherry picking from television rather than engaging with his actual team.
>> let's go to one of those people who is part of a place to gather actual information on these topics. mr. secretary, thank you for coming on. you were on the president's voter fraud commission. were there any conversations, questions and evident offered of google searches impacting votes during the brief time that this commission was together? >> google was never brought up in discussions. this is institutional gas lighting in it's worse form. the president's intelligence community said not a single vote was manipulated or changed. here he is going off talking about some phantom menace that's once again disrupted or election system. all 50 states certify their election results in 2016 and 2018. every single vote was counted accurately in maine. i won't speak for the entire country. we use paper ballots.
how do you hack a felt pen and a paper ballot? this effort to bring doubt upon the entire election system only does harm to our electoral process in terms of the confidence that our voters should expect to see when they walk into a polling place. elections are run at the local level. they're not run from the white house and certainly not run from google or any other search engine. this is untrue. >> david, is all of this just -- i'm trying to get the thought of you lay out why the president is obsessed with this concept. does he think it works? like is this a strategy of i will sow distrust? or is it more laying the groundwork to if need be questioning the outcome in 2020? >> there is one might say a conspiracy theory on the left is exactly what he is trying to do is lay the groundwork for
calling in the question on election night of 2020 whether it's a fraudulent election and whether he can claim a fraudulent election then he can say i should stay in power until we get this resolved. there are people on the left who have that fear. i see so far no basis for it. >> there should be no basis of that fear, because we're going to try to not deal in conspiracy theories. trump really believes this. who is left on his national security team to set him straight? dni coats left last week. >> stacking his cabinet may make the president feel better in the near term. it's not protecting our country. and at this point, it's not just a question of who's willing to tell him things that he doesn't
want to hear. there have been multiple strains of reporting that information is being censored before it even reaches his desk. there has been reporting that the chief of staff told the former secretary of homeland security not to bring up election security in front of the president. there has been other reporting that he doesn't like talking about russia because it makes him uncomfortable and feeds his insecurities. so at this point we really have to be aware of the fact that the president is getting his intelligence briefings from a shadow cabinet of foreign leaders like vladimir putin and media personalities that have no access to classified information and have a bias one way or another. >> that's the craziest bit about this is when you have more access to more information than anyone and you still base it off of something you see on cable tv. you're in charge of overseeing elections in your state. what is the real impact of the
president, any president, pushing a conspiracy theory like this? do you think it has an impact on voters? >> i think it does tremendous harm. it's reckless and irresponsible for him to do that. our stock and trade is voters believing in the process. when you have our country's leader saying that the results have been manipulated either from an internal or external source, for people who care so much about this process are then persuaded that their vote may not matter, they may stay away from the polls which could be an end goal for some folks. i find it incredibly objectionable that anybody would sew that disinformation without anything to back it up. >> i really appreciate it. outfront for us next, breaking news the white house considering new round of tax cuts. is president trump already backing away from the stronger background checks that he said that he wanted?
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cut as recession fears mount, a payroll tax cut specifically. one white house official is telling cnn that more tax cuts are certainly on the table, but it's not under consideration at this time. at the same time president trump is dismissing concerns about the economy saying our economy is very strong despite the tremendous lack of vision by jay powell and the fed that the democrats are trying to will the economy to be bad for the purposes of the 2020 election. how does this all impact the 2020 race? outfront now rick santorum and former democratic governor of michigan. thanks for being here. if the white house is discussing a payroll tax cut, how do you square that with really the glowing statements on the economy and the basically complete dismissile of concerns about that very same economy we're hearing from the white house? >> i think the president understands that we've had a
very strong economy for the last few years and has picked up since the obama administration and has done positive things like regulatory cuts and tax cuts. but there are signs and he admitted today that this war that he's engaged in with china, it's a battle that's having an impact. it's creating uncertainty in the markets and business investment and is probably knocking off a couple of 10ths of a point off gdp and is slowing down the economy a little bit. he's trying to look at things that may counter that. i would say this. i have to give the president credit. president obama didn't take on china. the economy wasn't that strong. president bush didn't take on china. jennifer knows, because she's from michigan, there is a lot of folks who want us to take on china, who are tired of china eating our lunch and give the president high marks for doing the battle and risking his
economy in doing so. >> it's one thing to take on china. it's another thing to not accept reality or acknowledge reality that tariffs are going to be impacting consumers. >> he said that in the short term that this trade war could have an impact on the economy, but on the long term it's essential for our survival that they are taking our technology. >> i heard from peter navaro saying on sunday that the tariffs are having no impact. >> what he said -- because i was on the show yesterday. what he said was that it's not having an impact on consumers. but it is having an impact on business investment because of the uncertainty out there. it is having an impact on certain industries like the agriculture industry. so it's having an impact on the overall gdp. when you have inflation at under two percent, it's hard to make the claim that consumers are paying a lot more as a result of
the war. >> governor, if they would go forward with a payroll tax cut, the last one happened during the obama administration to try to boost the economy during the last down turn. do you think this could be a good move both politically and economically? >> i think he thinks it would be. he would have to get congress to go along with it at a point where he has racked up trillion dollar deficits. i'm not sure that you would find that. it's clearly an indication that he knows that the economy is not as rosy as he and his economic advisers are acknowledging. i appreciate rick acknowledging that. today there was a report out for the national association for business economics. they surveyed hundreds of business economists. 74% of them say there will be a recession in the next two years. the vast majority of them saying before the election. so it is shaky out there. but can i just say one other thing? it is really important to keep
in mind, all of these top-level economic indicators, the stock market, gdp, they don't have any impact on the bottom half of the economy which are the people who aren't investing in the stock markets of which is half of america. this is amazing to me. 43% of americans who are working cannot afford the basics. they're called asset limited income constrained employed people. 43%. there are two economies. the people at the top are doing great. the ones who have the tax cuts and businesses who got the huge tax cuts. every day citizenships are not. people who do not have retirement or health care. so i think that regardless of whether a recession is imminent or will happen before the election, there is this second economy that the trump policies have only hurt. and that's a problem. >> that's a good example of what the president is talking about.
the reality is that wages -- >> this is the reality. i'm just giving you facts. it's just facts. >> the fact is that wages have been going up faster than -- >> no, no, no. wages are down. wages are down right now between first and second quarter, wages have dropped. >> if you look at since -- >> manufacturing output has dropped up to two percent. these are all signs of what is going on. nobody wants to see a recession. what i'm saying is that the basic economic indicators are showing a weakening economy. and those don't even address the half of the economy that is not in the stock market. >> go ahead. >> i would make the point, if you look at wages since the president has taken office, they have grown stronger than in any time in i think the last 20 years. they have been outpacing inflation which hasn't been done for a long, long time. the reality is that lower wage
workers are doing better as a result of this president. and we're seeing more people back into the workforce and we're seeing very low rates of unemployment. so all of that helps low wage workers. and i think his trade war while it does hurt business investment, and it does hurt the economy, i think ultimately this is for working men and women to make sure that the manufacturing jobs stay here or stay close by so we can have strong economic growth to benefit wage earners. he's out there fighting for the little guy. >> i have talked to -- i wouldn't call them big business. i'm calling them farmers from ohio and others, they are absolutely getting hurt. and it's very difficult to make a short term pain long term gain argument to folks when they really can't -- >> i agree. the president as you know has put forth a plan to try to help soothe that problem. there is no question, certain elements of our economy will get
hurt by the trade war. we need to take on china. now we're doing it. don't complain. >> rick, it's a question of how you do it. the tariffs are a blunt instrument. >> he's the first to do it. >> let's just -- >> he's the first to at least try. >> let's just see how much more tariffs actually go into effect because now the president knowing there could be an impact is continuing to dangle them. we have many more months to talk about the economy. nancy pelosi takes on the president's shifting language on background checks. is donald trump going back on his word? and the president admits he does want to buy greenland. listen. >> strategically, for the united states it would be nice. >> is it strategic or is it about ego? a man in the board room with donald trump is my guest. brokerage accounts. unt fr
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president will listen to the 90% of the american people who support universal background checks. why is this speaker saying this right now? because maybe of these remarks from president trump about those very same background checks. >> just remember this. big mental problem. and we do have a lot of background checks right now. just remember, we already have a lot of background checks. >> the president sounding a different tune today or just days ago. >> he wants to do something. he wants to do it. he wants to do background checks and i think a lot of republicans do. >> so what changed? what are you hearing about this? >> those comments really do under score this dynamic that we've seen play out with president trump so many times before on capitol hill that he is always the wildcard hanging
over every negotiation. the president speaks in broad strokes. he's vague at times. he changes his position very often. that does not help with congressional deals coming together. now, after the president said that, he appears to be backing away from supporting background checks. chuck schumer saying we have seen this movie before. top republicans will tell you that nothing is going to move on guns. nothing has a chance at all unless the president fully endorses something and then sticks to it. so while lawmakers are spending part of their recess going over options with the white house, there is a bipartisan group trying to see what can pass. comments like these, the president really changing his tune injects so much uncertainty into an already uncertain situation. >> absolutely right. outfront now, democratic congressman from ohio and presidential candidate, tim ryan. thank you for being here. >> when you heard the president
say that which is remember we already have strong background checks, does that worry you? do you think he's signaling something? >> i have no idea. it's hard to follow the president anymore. you just showed the two clips back-to-back. either he is intentionally trying to manipulate the american people, slow walk this. we'll just keep talking and then things will die down, or he has diminished mental faculties, because he's saying something completely opposite. >> you think it's not just the part that he is trying to walk back from something that he knows what he is saying? >> when it comes to him, it is hard to tell, because i seen him call. i have seen him make mistakes consistently. but i also see him trying to manipulate the media and manipulate the american people. what he needs to understand is
the ground is shifting on this issue. and i think the republicans, you see it in the polling with suburban moms and dads who may be republican who are hell bent on getting background checks. they're worried about sending their kids to school. they lived in communities like dayton, el paso, sandy hook. this is personal. i don't think the president is connecting that. and he's playing the old game with the nra and he's going to lose. >> axious is reporting that sources are saying that when it comes to action on the hill, it's september or bust because of the fragile momentum that comes on the heels of tragedies like what happened in dayton. do you agree that that is the reality? >> i think so. i think the honest assessment is something should happen in september. we need to apply the pressure. but here's the other piece that i don't think we've seen before.
the groups, moms demand action, they have built thepselves up now to where they can go head to head with a diminished nra because of the problems the nra had. >> they have real money, real support, moms that are very, very active and men who are strong enough to be with the moms. so, this is not going away. this is different now. and the pressure is going to continue to be applied. so, we may be able to get past december. we have to get rid of mitch mcconnell. he is the bottleneck. he will talk his name around this. they can do what they want and maybe slow walk it and bottleneck it, but they are all up for election and will be gone because this movement is stronger than it has ever been. >> let me ask you about the economy. with fears of a recession looming, vice president mike pence was out today speaking. he said that if you or any
democrat would win the presidential race, this would happen. watch this. >> can't wait to hear. >> i honestly believe if any one of the democrats on that debate stage wins the presidency, the gains of the last 2 1/2 years would be wiped out. taxes would sky rocket. the stock market would tank. jobs would vanish, and we would get that recession these nay sayers keep talking about. >> what do you say? >> it's a joke. vice president pence when he was the governor of indiana, completely almost tanked the economy in indiana. he was going to lose his reelection. supply side economics was tried in kansas. almost destroyed the economy in kansas. here we are, we have trillion dollar deficits. mr. pence and trump were talking about deficits. we have a $22 trillion debt.
>> there is not a single deficit hawk left in washington. >> i would like to consider myself semi responsible on this issue. >> you are a lone man on an island. >> a trillion dollars a year deficit of money we're borrowing from china and other countries. we saw yesterday ceos got a 940% increase in their pay since 1978. the worker got a 12% increase in pay. so, yes we are going to ask those people to pay a little bit more in taxes. but the reality is they are destroying the economy because the average person is living paycheck to paycheck. >> the deadline to make the next debate stage is next week. what's your math to that right now. >> we're on the move. we've had literally the best fundraising two weeks we've had in the campaign, the best few
days were right after the last debate. we have some good announcements of significant people that are going to be helping us with our online move. and we're going to run hard to try to get on. the same standards apply at the next debate, too. we're picking up huge endorsements. we've got joe biden's former coach -- >> if you don't make this debate -- >> we're picking upmomentum. my issue is name i.d. i'm not a senator. i'm not from a big state. i don't have an ivy league network to help me raise money. we're a startup. we have the most transformational message across the board on trauma and care for our kids and making sure there is a mental health counselor. >> i look forward to checking in with you. we'll see you on the trail. we really appreciate it. elizabeth warren says she is
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her past claims of native american ancestry. >> i know that i have made mistakes. i am sorry for harm i have caused. i have listened, and i have learned a lot. and i am grateful for the many conversations that we've had together. >> importantly, warren was addressing a native american presidential candidate forum in iowa. and with the apology, warren's campaign is hoping to move on from it. did they pull it off? outfront "new york times" politics editor and national political reporter for politico. what did you think of for today? with this apology, has warren turned a page? >> it came from clearly a very sincere place. i remember when we interviewed warren she absolutely refused to
appaologize and her claim to native american ancestry. i think over the months, she's clearly talked to a lot of native american leaders, groups. she has come to i think a pretty full understanding of why even if this was family lure, it troubled people. we did interviews with dozens of democrats this summer about warren. you know, she's grown in the polls, rising in strength. over and over they brought up the native american issue. it was this general concern. it was this concern that president trump has an ability to demonize his opponents the way he did with jeb bush and marco rubio and ted cruz and others. you know, we don't know that. and the electability question is a tricky one. at this point, the reality is
she has done a lot of good today with this speech. but whether that inoculates her in the general election if she is the nominee. >> it depends who you are talking to. it has been almost a year since warren relezed that much-criticized video. that was yet another time that she found herself having to apologize. does it say anything that she is still apologizing? does it say anything to you? or is it more that the questions keep coming at her? >> i think that the reason the questions came up in the last week was because warren's campaign decided that they wanted to address these issues right now. she came out with a native american proposal just at the end of last week. and that was one of the most exhaustive and comprehensive policy plans to date. it's about double all of the other plans.
it's 9,000 words or so. they put that out in the lead up to this conference. and then she decided to address it head on. and that's why we're again talking about it. and i have actually heard different on the campaign trail when i have been out on the trail with her. i haven't been hearing from voters concerned that much about those attacks where i think the vulnerability for her was more in the primary and whether or not progressives and native american leaders feel satisfied with her response. >> it is striking, though, that how you have president trump who never apologizes by rule. and then you have a candidate, elizabeth warren who on this issue is continuing to apologize. i do just wonder how that, if that impacts voters. >> i think people are impressed that she has taken the time to listen and sort of understand about the harm that she caused.
i think a lot of people are very used to the fact that president trump does not apologize, that that is not just a political strategy, but sort of goes to who he is. whereas, for elizabeth warren, i think what she's trying to do very much in this primary is make sure that the elites who are supporting her now, the activists, liberal groups sort of understand that she's done basically everything that she can to address this. now, you have the news today, jill biden was up in new hampshire basically saying you may like another candidate, but you really need to vote for joe, because he's the one who can win, again ejecting the electability question. at least the opponents seem to be saying you know that person might be great, but you have to vote for biden. >> it almost sounds like donald trump with the tag line like me or hate me, you have to vote for me. that is the tag line of 2020.
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greenland? >> well, first off, thanks for having me on, kate. does it surprise me? no. this is a lot of headline and talk and trump likes that. but it's curious to me quite frankly that greenland a country that probably represents one of his failed greatest failed policies in climate change that he would be interested in this. it doesn't surprise me because it's big and it could be that simple with donald trump. you know, he likes the biggest and i'm sure somebody put it in his ear or he found out somehow green land was the biggest island on the planet. it could be that simple why he wants it. >> i was actually wondering your take on that because he talked about it being strategic when he spoke to reporters. do you think it's strategic or simple that it's just ego? >> well, this could be a legacy
purchase and i think that could be very much what is driving this for his presidency. if he was able to pull it off, which we all know he's not going to be able to but there are great natural resources there so i've read, i'm not an expect but, you know, strategically, you know, i don't know how much more america could get out of it. who knows, maybe there is thsom plan in his mind to be the jumping off point for immigrants as an example. who knows on that one, kate. >> definitely not heard that yet. the danish prime minister not only called it absurd at the whole concept but also said greenland is not for sale. greenland is not danish. green land belongs to greenland, i strongly hope that this is not meant seriously. when i was reading that, i started wondering does the statement like that a full this is not going to happen never denial, does that detour the president or does it make him want it more?
>> well, i think it makes him want it more. a good example, kate, was the plaza hotel in new york city. you know, i think most new yorkers were horrified at the thought of donald trump owning the plaza thinking that he would glitz it up in his style and ruin that iconic building and the more he heard it the more he wanted it and it went into bankruptcy after he thought it. >> this time he wouldn't be working with his own money. he would be working with american taxpayer dollars, something very different. thanks, jack. appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you, kate. "outfront" next, the pretty penny someone shelled out for barack obama's old jersey. and we have zero account fees for brokerage accounts. at fidelity those zeros really add up. ♪ maybe i'll win ♪ saved by zero i was told to begin my aspirin regimen, blem.
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clothes. here is jeanne moos. >> you know how presidents are always being given jerseys, well, how much would you give to own a president's game worn jersey from his days in prep school playing basketball? >> there is a few stains. >> there is a hole in it? bidding on barack obama's holy jersey left a hole in someone's bank account sold to an anonymous collector of historic items. obama was america's most basketball obsessed president, who jokingly dreamed of making the big play. >> marv albert is making of course the call. >> so it's obama with the ball top of the key. three seconds left. >> unleashes for three. yes. >> obama's jersey was salvaged by another basketball playing student at a school in hawaii. >> the jersey in question was destined for the trash. she shoots, she scores!
peter noble wore the number 23 and was assigned to get rid of old jerseys being replaced by new ones a few years after obama left. sentiment l about the number he saved it and realized ocho bobae number 23 and an auction house photo matched theier s iejersey yearbook photo of obama wearing it. >> it matches perfectly. >> every detail? >> every detail. >> every seam, every stripe, number 23 would be the number worn by michael jordan and lebron james two of the game's greats. >> incredible coincidence. >> bidders don't want items off the rack, they want them off the backs of athletes. they want body odor. >> blood, sweat, tears, odors make it more valuable. >> $120,000 valuable. the winning bidder probably
thinks it's a steal. jeanne moos, cnn. but it doesn't smell. >> it smells like history. >> new york. [ laughter ] >> thanks so much for joining us. "a krrks "ac 360" starts now. good evening. thanks for joining us. there is breaking news tonight. there is no reporting in the washington post on white house discussions at a senior level of a tax cut to head off a possible economic slowdown. "the washington post" is siting three people familiar with the talks who say the white house is looking at a possible cut in payroll taxes and that talks are in the early stages. in the meantime, the white house is knocking down this idea saying, telling us that cutting payroll taxes is not under consideration at the this time. they said the same to the wall street journal. now if the post's three sources have it right, what is significant is this move would be evidenced in the white house there is real concern the economy would be weakening, which is not the message they have been saying