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resistance to an impeachment inquiry is breaking. you can see hints in an op-ed overnight. seven key democrats that had been resistant to impeachment proceedings, this is what they wrote. this flagrant disregard for the law cannot stand. and they add, if these allegations are true, we believe these actions represent an impeachable offense. two of those are standing by to talk to us in minutes. we are more breaking news. we are waiting to hear from british prime minister boris johnson as the supreme court there ruled that his suspending parliament was unlawful. we will get to all of this. we will begin with josh doocy, "washington post" report and cnn political analyst, part of the team that broke the story that the president ordered suspension of military funds to ukraine. let me read a clip from the story for you, josh.
trump told acting chief of staff mick mulvaney to hold back on almost $400 million in military aid for ukraine at least a week before a phone call in which trump is said to have pressured the ukrainian president to investigate the son of former vice president joe biden. administration officials were uninstructed to tell them they were part of the interagency process but to give them no additional information. let's start with this. the substance and the timing of the order from the president, josh? >> right. so what we reported last night was about a week before the president asked his ukrainian counterpart to investigate hunter biden he puts a freeze on about $400 million in military aid and tells his staff, discussions had been going on since late june about the aid and the president makes his decision and it is communicated to state department and white house officials and they have a meeting with budget officials where they ask questions about why the aid is held up and
they're not given any answers and they're told there are unspecified concerns from the president. when concerned lawmakers on capitol hill call to say it is part of a review process, they're looking at this aid and not to give any more details. what we are trying to figure out, john, is exactly why the president froze the aid a week before the phone call. the white house officials last night insisted to us repeatedly that it was not a quid pro quo, that it was actually as part of a legitimate review process. but, you know, obviously you see a lot of democrats and others who are questioning, you know, the timing seems a bit coincidental in their minds. >> interagency process. what interagency process did you find in your reporting, that there was some interagency process? >> omb officials looked at the aid. this is a president even outside of the ukraine situation has been skeptical of foreign aid. we have seen him try to take money from others, south korea,
he threatened to take their aid. he doesn't believe that the united states should be as fulsome on the aid. it is a different case than saying, oh, we don't want them to have this aid and there's a legitimate reason why and i want my counterpart to investigate the son of a political rival. we are trying to discern exactly what the reason was, but the real question here is what happened in the intervening days. >> sure. >> the phone call on july 25th between the president of ukraine and the president of the united states, president trump, and then their meetings with rudy guilliani, with others, a new prosecutor is appointed and the aid is restored. we are trying to figure out why the aid is restored. >> there's so much to dig into here. let's start with the rudy guilliani aspect of this. what contact did he have with the president during this time period and what was the substance of that? >> rudy guilliani told me repeatedly he briefs the president on what he is doing. during this time period we know
he flew to madrid, he met with an aid to the president there and insisted once again that they wanted these investigations to continue. this is in early august, about a week after the phone call. >> okay. >> he comes back to the united states, reports those conversations back to the government, but he goes to madrid in early august and says, we want these to continue. ukraine tells him, we'll appoint a new prosecutor soon, we will look into this, at least in guilliani's telling. >> josh -- go ahead, two quick questions i want to get into before we run out of time. number one, what was the response among officials inside the government after the president ordered the blocking of this funding? were they confused? >> they were confused and there was a lot of criticism, even from gop senators privately. they tried to call the white house and discern why the aid was being held up and couldn't get answers either. rob portman, mitch mcconnell, a number of others called omb, called state department, defense department, we want this aid released and it wasn't for a long time.
>> a big issue for many democrats, was there a quid pro quo. we have a quid and a quo. we have reporting by "the washington post" that the president talked to the president of ukraine about investigating joe biden. that's a quid. we have a quo which is the withholding of funds to ukraine. what you don't have, josh, to be clear is any direct linkage the president explicitly made to the ukrainian leader, correct? >> that's correct. that we've trying to figure out is whether it exists or not. >> josh, thank you for your reporting. thank you for being with us. alison. john, this morning seven fresh housemen, democrats, all from competitive districts are moving towards impeachment in a new "washington post" op-ed. they write, "we have devoted our lives to the service and security of our country and throughout our careers we have sworn oaths to defend the constitution of the united states many times over. now we join as a unified group to up hold that oath as we enter uncharted waters and face unprecedented allegations against president trump.
if these allegations are true, we believe these actions represent an impeachable offense." joining us now two of the lawmakers, congressman jason crow of colorado and congresswoman mikey sheryl of new jersey. great to have both of you here. i will talk with you, congressman. you are here in studio. what changed yesterday, what tipped you last night to being an author on the op-ed? >> i think the president's crossed a line here. we see him threatening our national security. that's something that all of us on this op-ed have spent many years trying to protect. and to see the president of the united states trying to force a foreign government to investigate an american citizen, especially one that's attempting to run against the president, is just a line that i think was too much for all of us. >> are you sure of that? are you sure that that's happened? you haven't seen the whistleblower complaint. >> the president pretty much admitted he talked about biden, he talked about corruption. we know he withheld military funds from -- you know, eastern ukraine is a hot war zone right
now, so to withhold the military funds for days from ukraine i think is telling. >> congressman crow, you said in july, just a couple of months ago, that impeachment medes to be -- needs to be, quote, the last course of action. are we at the last course of action in your mind? >> i think what we're facing is a situation where you have the sitting president of the united states using foreign military aid to potentially advance his own election. this is unprecedented. we as a country have never seen a situation like that. all of us that signed on to the opinion piece yesterday said our adult lives have been defined by defense of this country and making sure that we are up holding our national security. you know, that is our fundamental purpose, whether you are a member of the congress or the president of the united states. when it comes to fulfilling that duty, fulfilling our oaths, it is time that we do what we need to do. we up hold that oath and we're calling on all of our colleagues in both chambers in congress and both parties to step up to the
plate and make sure we are defending our country. >> congressman sheryl, the reporting has been that nancy pelosi, speaker of the house, has been keeping her finger on all of your pulses. you in particular, in the swing districts, in the competitive districts because you guys have the most to lose, so did you talk to her yesterday about your changing stance? >> so, of course, you know, we came out with this op-ed and then we did tell nancy pelosi we were going to release this in the morning, to make sure she was aware of our position and how we felt about this. you know, none of us ran on impeaching the president. i ran to lower health care costs, to get the gateway tunnel project funded, to make sure that we have fairer tax system in new jersey. these are things that people in my district care very deeply about, however, people in my district also know i'm a navy veteran, that i served this country my entire life and i certainly won't stand by as the president tries to undermine our democratic elections.
>> what did nancy pelosi say when you told her you were going to do this? >> i think she understood where we were coming from, that she appreciated our experience in national security and what it meant to us, our understanding of foreign affairs and how it would impact the nation. i think she appreciated the call. >> congressman, is it your impression nancy pelosi herself has moved closer to an impeachment process and inquiry in part because you all have gotten more comfortable with it? >> i can't speak for the speaker or any of our other colleagues. all i know is the seven of us decided to come together and fulfill our oaths because our fundamental duty is to make sure we do what we need to do to defend the country. we are in a position where there are serious allegations against the sitting president of the united states, that he is misusing or abusing his position and his authority in a way that threatens our national security. we will keep our laser focus on that, and we are calling on the house now to use all available tools to get the information we need to decide what we need to do to secure the country and to move forward.
>> congresswoman, tell us a little bit about the process this weekend. how did you seven come together? were there phone calls? did you all meet? how did you reach the point of this op-ed? >> it was pretty remarkable. my head said to me last night, who led this, who decided to do this? i said, you know, we all sort of came together. i think we all understood the implications of this right away. many of us, if not all of us, have worked overseas, we have worked with foreign governments, we have worked to protect our national security and democracy, so this was a red line. we coalesced on this very quickly. i think the phone lines probably lit up for all seven of us just right away because we were calling back and forth to say, where are you going to be on this, what are you thinking on this, what does this mean to you. >> and had you all been in contact? do you normally all check in with each other? >> we check in daily. >> do you? >> oh, yes. >> we do talk a lot. >> yes. yes, we do. >> i'm interested in this phone tree, congressman. so you all check in with each other. had you been taking each other's pulse on this all along for
these months leading up to yesterday? >> well, we are a very close group and i think that's the result of the fact that we share a common background. you know, our background is in service to the country outside of politics. until january 3rd, none of us had served in congress in elected office. we are used to approaching this from a service or yientation, a service mindset. that background is go something we serve and we have coalesced around that. i think it is great thing for all of us, that we have people that we trust, people that we share that service mentality with. we have a lot of discussions about what we're going to do, how we will approach issues, and i was happy we were able to come together in a unified way and send the message we did. >> is it true there's no ring leader? somebody has to organize the writing of this? >> no, it was an organic process. we all got together and got on conference calls and talked about what we wanted to say, how we wanted to say it.
it was a collaborative process. >> congresswoman, what about what you mentioned earlier? this isn't why you got into congress. this is not what i think your constituents voted for you to do, so what about the argument that by definition starting an impeachment process does take your time and energy away from other issues? >> that's something i have been very concerned about, but we as congress people need to make sure that we can do our oversight duties, perform our constitutional duties, protect our country while at the same time focusing on the american people and the needs of the american people. quite frankly, in my district it is not enough to impeach the president. in fact, many people probably won't agree with my decision, that we need to use every possible tool in this instance. however, we have got to make sure that we tackle our tax problems in new jersey, that we make sure we have the gateway tunnel program fixed, that we move forward on health care costs. these are the things that are going to impact people's lives, and impeachment might not. >> congressman, last question. are you going to see this
whistleblower complaint? >> we need to see the complaint. you know, under the law we are entitled to the complaint. the intelligence community has to give it over. the inspector general for the intelligence community has already made a legal determination that this is the type of complaint that needs to be seen by congress. the administration is withholding that. it is time to pass it over. you know, we need the facts at the end of the day, and i will say, you know, i reject the false premise that we can't fulfill our oaths and do what we need to do to protect the country and go through proceedings and hearings, and also do the things our constituents need us to do. we can and must do both. >> congressman crow, congresswoman sheryl, thank you for being here to explain your thinking behind the op-ed. >> thank you for having us. fascinating discussion. the british prime minister boris johnson suffered a major legal defeat. the supreme court in the united kingdom rule his five-week suspension of parliament was unlawful. the british prime minister just
arrived at the united nations. he is scheduled to meet with president trump this morning. we don't know if that is still going to happen. cnn's melissa bell is live at the supreme court with all of the breaking details. melissa. >> reporter: this is where the shocking verdict was made a few hours ago that really throws into turmoil the british political landscape, all any idea of what may happen to brexit, let's be clear. all eyes on new york and what boris johnson's reaction is going to be to a growing chorus of calls for his resignation. first of all, because his decision to suspend parliament so spectacularly backfired with that decision with the supreme court not only ruling it unlawful but quashing it, overturning it. mps due back at westminster as a result of the decision, and despite boris johnson's suspension of it a few weeks ago, normally on a wednesday afternoon the prime minister hold's prime minister's questions. will he be back to take the
questions, to address the growing calls for his resignation? that's one of the questions we will be looking to hear from him. is this a prime minister to bash on regardless, and what will his strategy be? at the heart of the suspension of the entire story for the past couple of weeks has been that the british executive is determined to keep on the table crashing out of the eu. on the other hand, parliamentarians want to stop him doing that. this tussle between them is due to get back. can boris johnson stay in those circumstances? that is the question for the prime minister this lunch time here in london. one thing is certain, is that the possibility of the uk crashing out of the eu has succeeded essentially with the pound rising on that news. john. >> thank you, melissa, very much for giving us a status report. please keep us posted.
it is a very pivotal day there. in hours president trump will address the u.n.. he plans to make a case against iran as the embattled british prime minister, boris johnson, will join president trump in calling for a new nuclear deal with iran. live at the united nations with a preview of mr. trump's speech, what do we think he will say, alex. >> good morning. it is a big day for diplomacy, a big day for world leader speeches. the president is set to speak in two hours time. he is going second time, wedged between two authoritarians he has shown admiration for in the past. brazil's president will go first and egyptian president, who president trump just called his favorite dictator. alison, it is a tough room for the president. his america-first policy doesn't fly in a body that was founded on international multi lateralism. to some extent the fascination
with the american president has daded. world leaders think they've sized president trump up. we expect the president to touch on the crisis with iran as the global consensus cements around the idea that iran did carry out this strike against saudi arabian oil fields. we don't know too much more beyond that. will he talk about the crisis with ukraine? after his speech he has other international crises to deal with. he has the meeting with prime minister boris johnson of the uk, very much embattled after the supreme court decision. big question, alison and john, will he sit down with iranian president rouhani. it is unlikely but as the president likes to say you never know what will happen. >> we just heard from two democrats speaking out on the impeachment inquiry. when will we hear something from republicans next. ers.
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all right. major developments. house speaker nancy pelosi has called a meeting with key committee chairs this afternoon to talk about the possibility of impeachment proceedings, and then she will have a meeting with the full democratic caucus after that. 145 house democrats at least, because this number keeps going up every minute. >> a minute ago we might have added one to the list. >> we may be at 146, 147 by the end of the breath. they support an impeachment inquiry. two of them spoke with "new day" a moment ago. >> the seven of us decided to come together to fulfill our oath. our fundamental duty is to make sure we are doing what we need to do to defend the country, and we are in a situation where there's serious allegations against the president of the united states that he is misusing and abusing his position and authority. >> we all understood the implications of this right away. many of us, if not all of us, worked overseas. we have worked with foreign governments. we worked to protect our national security and democracy. so this was a red line.
>> all right. i want to bring in dana bash, chief polite can't correspondent, and david gregory , cnn political analyst. dana, this is a different place this morning than we were yesterday and certainly one week ago. you have nancy pelosi reportedly on the phone, not as resistant to impeachment proceedings. you have the seven freshmen, and i know you have been speaking with them, who one week ago were against an impeachment inquiry and they are now for it. what do you see happening by tonight? >> this day is the day i think that we're going to look back on and see that there was a major shift. now, i don't know that there will be any decisions made until thursday when the acting head of the director of national intelligence goes to capitol hill to formally say yay or nay on whether or not the congress will get the complaint from the whistleblower. but when it comes to the dynamics of the democratic
caucus, led by nancy pelosi who, as you said, obviously has been so resistant to this, over the past 24 hours things have changed and today is the day she is going to have the formal conversation with her -- with her caucus. just real quickly, the fact that you spoke to mikey sheryl in particular and jason crow, i spoke to mike ae sheryl and the four other women who served in national security positions on that letter just last week doing a story. they call themselves the bad -- caucus, guys. they all to a person said they were not there yet on impeachment, and it was because, as she said, of what happened with this ukraine call that it hit close to home. there is not a groundswell for this moving forward on this in the majority maker's districts, and that is what those two people are. they're the ones who took republican seats. the fact that they are saying
that is why this is a very different day than it was just yesterday. >> i think that is really important to note, david. so either they're not worried about their reelection because they've heard from their constituents that they want them to move ahead with impeachment, or they just feel as they made their case here that the principle of protecting the country, the oath that they took is more important than that political calculation. >> well, i really think it is the latter. i think you now have a situation where they're willing to take the risk because this is so fundamental a problem to them. and there is a call-out aspect of this as well. i mean the fact that these are freshmen democrats with a national security background, calling out republicans to say, "aren't you the party of national security, aren't you the party of election security, of standing up to enemies like russia, those who would interfere with our election, or to have a president who would compromise national security to try to enhance his political
prospects." that's the call-out nature of this to try to get some movement on the part of the republicans because there's still a lot of danger to this. there may be more consensus among democrats, that hasn't moved republicans yet. it is something that nancy pelosi is thinking very hard about. >> hasn't moved republicans really at all. except for mitt romney no one has come in any way forward. i wonder if there's an off ramp, dana, between now and thursday. today is tuesday, so there's two days. is there an off ramp for the administration to avoid what could be an inevitable impeachment proceeding? would it be turning over the inspector general complaint? >> yes. but not to get too machiavellian here, but does the administration want to avoid an impeachment proceeding? the reason why it has been so -- the democratic leadership has been so tentative is because politically they understand that once they go down this road, it takes up all of the oxygen, a,
and, b, it could and will motivate the republican base in a way that they haven't been motivated before, to likely rally around the president because that's how these things tend to work when they are partisan. so does the white house -- i mean i'm not saying they would withhold the complaint in order to spur impeachment, that would be a bridge too far i think even for washington, but it is not as if, you know, they will try very hard to avoid it in order to give the complaint. having said that, if for some reason the acting dni does come and say, okay, fine, you can see this, it might take the -- you know, sort of the heat out of this, at least temporarily. you also have to remember that corey lewandowski sit last week. that's a big part of this also. he embarrassed the democrats. they were embarrassed. they felt like, why do we have this majority if we're going to sit here and take it from somebody like corey lewandowski and not hold him in contempt or
not do what we need to do to get answers. >> i also want to expand on that. >> quickly. >> this is also such a part of the trump playbook, the way he went after hillary clinton for being corrupt. he is going to take that fight to joe biden. i mean let's remember this is the president who comes to national prominence by saying that our first african-american president wasn't american and bringing up the specious issue of his birth certificate. he is going to run this hard. he is going to come just as hard as he always has about the media and about liberals and, you know, progressives were talking about impeaching justice kavanaugh. this is all of a piece, so there's no question there will be hard core supporters for the president who will be motivated by him saying, this is liberals doing their there. >> hey, david, very quickly we need to ask, there is another country that is in turmoil, or at least embroiled in controversy this morning and that is the uk. the uk prime minister boris johnson, it has just been ruled he acted illegally in somehow misleading the queen. so he is here in new york for
the u.n. general assembly. he is p.scheduled to meet with president trump in three hours. he just made his first comments about this. listen to this. >> i strongly disagree with the decision of the supreme court. i have the utmost respect for our judiciary. i don't think it was the rightful decision. i think it has been used for centuries without this kind of challenge. it is perfectly usual to have a queen speech, that's what we want to do. more importantly, let's be in no doubt, there are a lot of people who want to frustrate brexit. there are a lot of people who basically want to stop this country coming out of the eu. we have a parliament that is unable to make roads, doesn't want to have an election, and i think it is time we took things forward. >> what does moving forward for boris johnson look like, david? >> i think it is so precarious because members of his own party are among those who are fighting so strongly against him, which
makes his hold on power so tenuous. he's a couple of hours away from meeting with donald trump, who still has the support of his party, which is a very different situation politically. >> a lot of turmoil in a lot of important countries. david gregory , dana bash, thank you for being with us this morning. vice president mike pence is defending the president. hear his new explanation of the president's call with ukraine's leader next. doesn't have to be." molly: "that's why i choose a nurse practitioner for my family's primary care." david: "my np is accessible and takes the time to listen. i love my np." molly: "our np orders tests, makes the correct diagnoses and prescribes the medications we need." david: "my name is david and i choose an np." molly: "my name is molly and we choose nps." np: "consider an np. visit we choose nps.org to learn more."
♪ the president spoke to him about our concern, investing hundreds of millions of american taxpayer dollars in seeing him move a reform agenda. he mentioned vice president biden in the context of us wanting to see honest government. the american people can be confident in this congratulatory call that the president spoke about issues that are of interest to american taxpayers, notably corruption, but there was no quid pro quo. >> vice president mike pence all of a sudden in the middle again
of a scandal involving the president of the united states, defending the president. we are learning that president trump asked his acting chief of staff do freeze millions of dollars in military aid to ukraine roughly one week before the call in which he discussed with ukraine's president investigating former vice president joe biden's son. joining me is the author of the book "piety & power," on book shelves today. it is interesting that he is in the middle of all of this now. again, he is watching as a scandal surrounds his boss. >> absolutely. look, a couple of months ago they looked like they were in the clear, right? nothing comes out, nothing actionable seems to come out of the mueller report. they punt to congress. congress, pelosi doesn't want to do anything, and pence in particular looks like he
survived it. now we see, go back to the transcript when he's in poland, the white house transcript, and he is answering the questions about ukraine and his meetings with the prime minister and what are the questions. number one, did you bring up joe biden and his son? he says no. number two, did you talk about pressuring the president on aid? and he says, we're fighting on anti-corruption. we want them to handle anti-corruption, and he is right back in the middle of it. he is in the same place where he was in the beginning of 2017. >> you get to this in your book. what are his considerations, what are the vice president's considerations when dealing with these things? he is concerned with defending the president or protecting mike pence? >> the funny thing about that is he has to do both in order to succeed. number one is survival, that's the goal. when you talk with pence's advisors and his aides, they see 2024 as an option as long as you can get two terms of trump, ride
the coattails, do the h.w. bush thing. that's how they win. in order to do that, you have to support trump. if you are caught flagging, you have run into this problem that we've seen recently, this talk about maybe he gets replaced by nikki haley, that's what happens. >> i don't want to give away the game here, but one of the things crystal clear in the book is he wants to be president. you think mike pence wants to be president and is making plans to do so, correct? >> absolutely. >> let's just stipulate that before people pick up the book. i think there are other interesting insights you give us into the vice president and his relationship to the president. the title is "piety and power." what does the president need mike pence for? >> this is something i learned. i couldn't see it in the day-to-day, but when i stepped back and reported deeply with the book, i spent a lot of time with pence's faith and his religion and trying to see how his practice is. outside the politics, you know, what is his type of
evangelicalism. what i see by the end of it and this is the answer, is that you don't need -- trump has the tele-evangelist. pence brings conservative evangelists to be sure but these are the folks on board with cruz. to understand this you have to look at why reince priebus and paul manafort were pushing so hard for him to join the ticket in 2016. they knew if you lost those evangelicals they would stay home, they wouldn't vote for clinton or trump. according to -- when i talked with pence's advisors, when i talk with trump advisors, they tell me the same thing. they don't think that trump has a lock on those evangelicals. so if you dump pence, you lose the quiet midwestern evangelicals and you start to worry about places like the rust belt, places like michigan, western michigan, wisconsin, places you need for the reelect. >> another thing i learned in here i at any time know, quite
frankly, is you write about the vice president and his wife, their need of and awe of money. >> it surprised me initially, although it makes sense in the context. remember, they lose about a million dollars in 1986. they lose stock options from when the family, the pence family oil company goes under, $700,000. they've never been rich. they've never been poor, but modest so to say. so what happens is after the -- after the election there's an outburst and karen pence says -- immediately after the election tells mike, she says, what are we going to do? we're out of money. we need money. he kind of pulls her, grabs her, walks her out of the room, and a few weeks later their chief political aide goes to the inaugural aide and says, hey, we need some money for the pences. they're not entirely sure how to take it. the folks i spoke with from the inaugural committee told me this
was money for living expenses. when i spoke with pence's people they told me it was just for furniture for the vp's residence. it is possible it is both. what i do know is that when you check the tax forpms, the 990s for the inaugural committee and the vp's residence fund you see a charitable donation from the inaugural committee to the vp's residence fund for $750,000. >> tom lo bianco, thanks for being back. the book is "piety and power". >> thank you. >> that was really fascinating. thank you for that. here is what else to watch today. businesses that spend more time picking the right partner will reap the rewards. at ram commercial we consider every detail for our pro master and pro master city work vans because, like you, we know it is the little things that make the biggest difference.
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will will this day be better than other days? will this be the day the history books look on and say something shifted today in the impeachment inquiry process? house speaker nancy pelosi will meet with key committee chairs and the entire democratic caucus this afternoon amid reports her resistance to impeachment is softening. let's get to david chilean. >> today we are in a new place. there is no doubt about that. and there is also no doubt that the house democrats are closer to impeaching the president today than any point they've been during the trump presidency. those are the reality in which we find ourselves. what is not clear is if they are
going to go for a full bore impeachment process as soon as she leaves that process today. or if this is continuing to lay some groundwork she's paving a path to get there. we'll see when she comes out of that caucus. but remember, there are two things that she has always pointed to that we still don't know have changed. one, i think we do know. the republicans, it doesn't seem there are any republicans on board with this yet. and two, the american people. and it's not clear yet if the american people have moved on impeachment. we'll see as future polls come out after this story seeps into the public consciousness. but those two i think thes are things nancy pelosi is watching. the thing that puts us in a different place, alisyn, and i've said this to you guys on this show for many months, it was never about the quantity of democrats in our caucus calling for impeachment. it was about the quality. were they the democrats from those districts that delivered her the majority? that flipped from republican to democrat? those people that wrote that
op-ed in "the washington post." people close to pelosi's thinking. we're hearing new language open to impeachment from them. that's what makes today so significant and different. >> that's exactly right. that has changed. fundamentally changed. and it changes by the hour. we get more and more members coming out each hour saying they want to support the process. and we know from our reporting that nancy pelosi was on the phone last night using language she hasn't used before 37 it's out there. now something is fundamentally different. plus there are these open questions that people are being asked about whether or not the democrats look weak by the inaction, by being pushed around by corey lewandowski last week. they're in a different place tonight. >> they are. and this is why when i was saying, you know nancy pelosi's calculus has been where are the american people on this. will this be a dead end because republicans are not moving at all. those are political calculations. what i think has shifted is sort of the moral implications inside
the democratic caucus in the house which is that i think you have more people on the side of people saying politics be damned here for a moment. there may be a moral call that there's a constitutional responsibility here to hold the president accountable. and that, you know, the political argument can begin to sort of pale in comparison if that swells with those critical members that define the reason nancy pelosi holds the speaker's gavel. >> this meeting this afternoon with the democratic caucus that she's having, tis this about whether to begin impeachment or how? >> i think it may be the latter. i think we are more in a world of when and how and the path from here to there than whether this is happening or not. i mean, this seems to be a moment in time where the idea that impeachment is somehow off the table in a side
conversation. i think those days are behind us. >> i think that's the question of the day you just asked there. it's not if, it's how. how they do it. any signs? i know the committee chair -- we've got 30 seconds left. is this going to be a jerry nadler operation judiciary? or may there be something bigger like a select committee? >> there's been reporting throughout a select committee may overtake all of this. that's not entirely clear yet. i think that's part of the how that will emerge from this meeting. i don't think we know that yet. you know committee chairman are not all that eager to give up their ability to run the show. >> never. david chalian, thank you for being with us today. appreciate it. so we have these major developments on impeachment. maybe there will be move tonight. also the president is set to speak at the united nations in just a couple hours. boris johnson the british prime minister, he's making moves as well. all of our breaking news coverage continues in just a moment. if i can breathe.
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a very good morning to you. i'm jim sciutto live today from the united nations in new york. >> and what a big day it is, jim. i'm so glad you are there. i'm popy harlow in new york. the drum beat of impeachment nearing a fever pitch. we could know by the end of today whether democrats will move forward with impeachment proceedings. one democratic lawmaker tells us the democrats are reaching a tipping point on impeachment. they will talk about all of that at a member's only meeting this afternoon. at this point at least 145 democrats, you see them all there, have declared they are officially in favor of an impeachment probe. it follows bombshell reports that the president personally ordered a hold on