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very good friday morning to you. boy, this week has been a ride. i'm jim sciutto in washington. >> i'm poppy harlow. and we made it to friday, everyone. we're glad you're with us. all right. let's get started. say it out loud and say it proud. at least at first, road testing the new strategy, president trump's acting chief of staff mick mulvaney in plain sight admits to a quid pro quo with ukraine. after weeks of denials by the president and allies, mulvaney claims holding up military aid for political purposes is just business as usual in the trump white house. >> so the demand for an investigation into the democrats was part of the reason he wanted to withhold funding to ukraine.
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>> the look back to what happened in 2016 certainly was part of the thing he was worried about. >> to be clear. what you just described is a quid pro quo. it's funding will not flow unless the investigation into the democratic server happened as well. >> we do that all the time with foreign policy. i have news for everybody. get over it. there's going to be political influence in foreign policy. >> those comments didn't go over so well with mick mulvaney's boss. a source close to the president said he was not happy. and white house lawyers are privately pretty worried as well. that likely explains why mulvaney later tried to put the genie back in the bottle claiming in a statement what he said in front of the whole world earlier that day wasn't really what he said at all, jim. >> it's almost orwellian, but we've seen this. all of this happening at the same time and no coincidence while u.s. ambassador to the eu, gordon sondland, was testifying
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to congress that president trump told him and other diplomats over their objections to work directly with his personal attorney rudy giuliani on all things related to ukraine. let's make this clear in the span of less than a month, the president and the white house have gone from attacking the whistle-blower's biased and based on hearsay to granting much of what that whistle-blower said while benick a quid pro quo to now conceding, even defending a quid pro quo. lauren fox joins us from capitol hill. we've heard from democratic lawmakers reacting to mulvaney's comments. perhaps not surprising. some republicans are also expressing concerns. how broadly and how seriously have you heard those concerns? >> well, the key word there is some republicans are expressing concern. we heard from francis rooney yesterday who argued these comments were troubling, and he said that it's not a good thing that mulvaney said what he said yesterday. we hreard from lisa murkowski wo
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has broken with the president on issues in the past. and she said, yes, absolutely, that's a concern of what mulvaney said. she said you don't hold up foreign aid that we've previously appropriated for a political initiative. meanwhile, while a lot of republicans are still defending the president against this impeachment inquiry, i am told that there are some growing concerns about some details that are coming out of there, of course. the concern over giuliani and what is still to come in terms of what we will learn moving forward. jim? >> lauren fox, thanks very much. >> we appreciate it, lauren. joining us to talk about this, rachel bale, renato. let me begin with politics, rachel. what was mick mulvaney doing? what was he doing? >> yeah, look, it's clear he was testing out a new strategy as you said in your opening there. this whole notion of admitting it and saying get over it. we do this in foreign policy all
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the time. i mean, clearly he was going out on a limb and very quickly was walked back by the president himself who was not happy with the strategy. the president has said there was no quidquo. this is the line he's taken even as we've seen this growing body of evidence that substantiates this whistle-blower claim that started this whole thing. we've had the whistle-blower complaint. the transcript that substantiated that complaint and an increasing number of diplomats have come out and said they had concerns about what we were seeing in terms of trump sidelining experts on ukraine, putting his allies in charge of ukraine policies to pressure them into investigating political allies. then you have mulvaney admitting it, but once you sort of squirt the toothpaste out of the tube, you can't put it in even though he's trying to walk it back. it's a problem for them right now. renato, does the president's chief of staff credibly float that defense without the
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president's okay? is it more likely in your view that this was an intentional strategy with the president's blessing. >> it's a great question. i can't be sure what's going on in mick mulvaney's mind or donald trump's mind, but i agree with rachel this is something the administration has done before. one important question now legally is, to what extent does this lock in mulvaney and other members of the administration going forward? in other words, if mulvaney gave testimony, i think it would be very hard for him under oath to say there's no quid pro quo. we don't do things like that, given what he already said publicly on the subject. and i think the question is would he be in a position to know, how involved was he in this. is he just saying i was speaking for the administration but i really wasn't in the thick of this. i think he was based on everything that we know publicly. i think that creates a problem for other members of the administration like pompeo who may also be called to speak about this later.
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>> guys, can we just take a moment and listen to republican senator lisa murkowski of alaska because she is someone who is pretty measured. she chooses her words carefully. we don't -- i'll read it to you. so she was asked about the mulvaney exchange. the midpro quo admission. and she said, yes, that's a concern. you don't hold up foreign aid that we had previously aappropriated for a political initiative, period. she's echoed a bit by florida republican congressman francis rooney who will be on the show next hour. but are they again going to remain on this somewhat isolated island, rachel, or is that going to become a growing chorus at this point? >> there's clearly frustration behind the scenes and clearly lisa murkowski saying this is not appropriate. we haven't seen republicans break with the president through this whole controversy. but, look, the administration is playing with fire.
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mulvaney admitting this is what happened when republicans were trying to downplay it and taking the no quid pro quo line. it complicates that and beyond just mulvaney's press conference you have the whole situation with them announcing yesterday they were going to host the g7 at his resort in florida. and increasingly, how are republicans going to answer for this? a lot of them have been dodging questions from us saying that, you know, trying to change the topic and focus on the impeachment process. but these are things that you know, if obama was president right now, they would have already impeached him over this sort of thing. so it's increasingly becoming a problem for republicans. i don't know that it's going to break them in terms of supporting impeachment. i'm still skeptical, but clearly they're in a very uncomfortable position right now. >> the doral g7 thing is explicitly, publicly steering a taxpayer-funded government
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contract to your own business. and he had his chief of staff come out and say it. didn't deny it. didn't do it in secret. explain to folks at home who may not be familiar with the emoluments clause or other aspects of federal law and policy. is that illegal? >> so in the constitution, our founders who wrote the constitution were very concerned about foreign influence in our government. and so one clause that they put that you call the emoluments clause essentially says that foreign leaders, whether it's -- they use the terms king or prince or any type of foreign government should not be providing gifts or any kind of emolument is a cash. any kind of money to the president of the united states. and so that's a very clear prohibition in the constitution. but -- and it does appear to do that but it's unclear whether that can be enforceable in the courts. >> go ahead, rachel. >> this whole thing does, the
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doral situation, it completely undercuts trump's attacks on the bidens and hunter biden. republicans want to talk about biden's son being on a board and how that created a conflict in ukraine. but, look, this is the president, from the oval office giving contracts to himself that benefit his own bottom line. i mean if he wants to talk about biden's son who is not even biden himself, how does he do that without -- with, you know, this elephant in the room where he's helping his own bottom line? >> yeah, rachel, that would be the case in a world where principles still survived, right? we've entered this shame-free zone that it just -- folks don't make the connection. it's mind-boggling at times. rachel and renato, thanks for trying to keep us sane. you made a little progress there. >> we appreciate it, guys. still to come, despite the trump administration's claims of a cease-fire, fighting appears to be ongoing in a key border
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town in syria. we'll be live as only cnn can on the ground there. >> also, former defense secretary james mattis, like you have never heard him before. taking jabs at the president. >> i earned my spurs on the battlefield, martin, as you pointed out, and donald trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor. welcome to our busy world. where we all want more energy. but with less carbon footprint. can we have both? at bp, we're working every day to make energy that's cleaner and better. and we see possibilities everywhere. it's easy to move forward when you're ready for what comes next. at fidelity, we make sure you have a clear plan to cover the essentials in retirement, as well as all the things you want to do. and on the way, you'll get timely investment help to keep you on the right track, without the unnecessary fees you might expect from so many financial firms. because when you have a partner who gives you clarity at every step,
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there are concerns growing in the gop this morning. this after the acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney stood before a group of reporters and seemed to admit that there was a quid pro quo over military aid to ukraine. at least two republican lawmakers have already expressed their worries publicly. alaska gop senator lisa murkowski called the comments concerning. florida republican congressman francis rooney will be on this broadcast shortly and described the comments as troubling and not a good thing. i'm pleased to be joined by adam kinzinger from illinois. he serves on the house foreign affairs committee. also a veteran. >> good to be with you on such a slow news day. >> nothing is happening this week. >> last month you tweeted when the whistle-blower complaint first came out that there were two big unanswered questions that you needed to get more information on. one was, why was the aid to ukraine suspended and, two, what role did mr. giuliani play in northern policy. tarks peers now we have those questions answered. you have a whole host of administration officials saying that they were told to route
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ukraine policy through giuliani and it seems, based on mulvaney's comments there was a tie between ukraine aid and investigations going back to 2016. has that changed your view on impeachment? >> no, it's quite concerning and i think we're going to get more information as we're seeing this happen rapidly. it's one thing to say this is where we are at. it's impeachable. we have to get more details of it. with mulvaney, i have no idea why he said what he said. he's walked it back since. was he talking about corruption or specifically about the biden issue. the biden issue was what's very concerning because it would be using, if it's true, using taxpayer funded aid and policy for a political reason, which is totally wrong. now if it's general corruption, we are right when we hear people say that all the time, for corruption, but it depends on what the purpose is for it. a lot of concern in this. we'll hear a lot more probably very soon. >> you know the importance of
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this military assistance. i remind folks on the air as often as i can. ukraine is fighting a war with russia. more than 13,000 people have been killed. and during the time that i've spoken to ukrainian officials, during the time this aid was suspended, there was shelling. people died during this time. does that -- you know, does that -- even that possibility this aid was somehow compromised, how significant should that be to americans at home? >> i think it's significant and it's concerning. we'll get more information on the details of it. i have no doubt. i've been begging for aid to ukraine since this whole thing kicked off. the prior administration gave them thermal blankets, not lethal weapons. they now have lethal weapons. i remember sitting on a foreign affairs committee and hearing that we were suspending this aid temporarily. i was flabbergasted. what's the reason behind it? i think that was about that july time frame, and no doubt we're going to find out more. >> i want to talk about syria. the president was touting a cease-fire. the turks caused it a pause in
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the fighting, but there are reports from our kurdish allies that there are already violations of that cease-fire. is that a cease-fire in name only? >> any time you have a cease-fire there's going to be skirmishes still. people who don't get the word or don't care. i think the next 24 hours will show how that develops. any time you can stop fight, it's good. the question is what does this look like. erdogan is meeting with vladimir putin shortly, like in four days. so in the midst of a cease-fire, what do they negotiate? we ceded syria over to russia and surkey. they are the major players and iran. when they get together, are they going to carve out syria for themselves? that's a question. and that's a concern i have. so cease-fire in and of itself, good, but a cease-fire that says now the -- basically the kurds have to evacuate. they have to get out. de facto gives turkey what it wanted through military objectives. and we've still aabandoned our allies. we had to bomb our own military base. it reminds me of somalia and south vietnam.
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and it's disheartening, and i think the impact isn't even being felt yet. we see an immediate action, consequence response to american isolationalism. but even over the next decade, the next few years, the impact when we need allies now in the future is going to be felt. and leaving is one thing. but leaving in the way we did in a hurry, where we have to bomb our own base. it was the right move because we couldn't compromise it, but unbelievable. >> as a result of this, is today's america seen as strong or weak in the middle east? >> you know, i think weaker in the middle east. i don't want to say weak. we're still america. we're the biggest power in the world. but our policy in the middle east, and we have to be fair here. i think the weakness started with the failure to enforce the red line on syria. and it followed with the obama mrg administration allowing russia into syria. russia's expansion and this administration initially started out good, enforcing the red line
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and last december when the president said we're out. he paused and this put us in a far weaker position. >> i have to ask you before we go about the president's public decision announced by his chief of staff that the g7, a major international summit, a massive taxpayer-funded contract that the president's awarding it to his own property. is that acceptable for a sitting president? >> i'm not happy with it. now when you -- i read the emoluments clause again yesterday. and it talks about titles and nobility and all this. i don't know if it's a direct violation, but i don't understand why at this moment they had to do it. do it in d.c., do it in miami at a different resort. whatever it is. it's like an unnecessary throwing some -- >> what about the principle? if you had a congressional event in your district and let's say you owned a bar there and sent the contract to your bar where you profit off of it -- >> there may be rules against it even for me. but the administration has different rules on some of those
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things and even congress does. we make our own rules. i wouldn't do it. the controversy about, for instance, the air cruise staying in scotland. i defend that. i know dod travel regulations and they are decisions made by air crews that want to stay at places within the dod guidelines. this feels a little different. >> a decision made by the president himself. congressman, always good to have you on the broadcast. >> that was a great interview. thank you, jim. overnight, clashes in northern syria raising concerns about what the trump administration is saying is a win, is a victory, is a cease-fire, but what are the turks saying and what does this all really mean because turkey's president is dismissing reports of new attacks that others are seeing on the ground. what is going on? also ahead -- my conversation with the founder of salesforce, one of the biggest leaders in silicon valley, calling facebook the new cigarettes and calling on the company to be broken up as mark
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yesterday. the sdf or syrian democratic forces say that turkey has violated that already by attacking a town in northern syria this morning. five people died in that attack. a safe zone was just not and still is not defined by negotiators. it's unclear if this town was off limits. >> the fire is not ceasing. the turks don't call it a cease-fire. they call it a pause. vice president pence, he referred to the five-day break as a cease-fire. turkey not on the same page. arwa damon join us from the turkey/syria border. tell us what you're seeing here. you're on the ground. the president has touted this as a major victory. a cease-fire. has the fire ceased? >> well, depends on what kind of fires you're talking about there. in terms of what we're hearing from this specific point, which is inside turkey overlooking in the distance the syrian town of
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ras al ain. this is one of the areas that is contested at this point and it is in that area where the kurds are saying that strike you were just referring to took place. it has been fairly quiet throughout the course of the day that we have been here. but we were talking to some residents who live in the turkish town on the turkish side of the border and they say that even after the cease-fire, they were still hearing the sounds of gunfire and explosions and even some this morning as well. despite that, though, turkey is saying that it is still abiding by this agreement and the president himself is denying any sort of major reports of violence that are stoaid to hav taken place this morning. this is what is quite interesting when we look at the different ways this agreement is actually being interpreted because for turkey, the agreement is very clear. the ypg, the kurdish fighting
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force is going to get out of the area that turkey wants as a safe zone. and that area spans some 18 miles into syria and then goes from the euphrates river hundreds of miles all the way to the border with iraq and turkey basically is saying, as long as a ypg gets out of that zone by tuesday night, then they will continue with this suspension and hostilities. if they don't, they are vowing that they will resume this operation with even more determination than before. >> it's basically an enforced retreat by america's allies there on the ground. arwa damon, good to have you there and thank you for being close to the fighting for us. after an absolute whirlwind of a week it can be easy to lose track of all the chaos unfolding in washington. so we're going to take a step back now to absorb everything that's happened here. to take a breath.
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starting sunday when defense secretary mark esper announced president trump was ordering the remaining 1,000 u.s. troops out of northern syria, this even after turkey had launched a military offensive into the country. threatening america's allies on the ground. lawmakers from both sides of the aisle slammed the move claiming the u.s. is abandoned kurdish forces who helped the united states fight isis in the region. >> a day later, president trump took executive action to impose sanctions against turkish government leaders and then sent vice president mike pence and secretary of state mike pompeo to turkey to try to broker a cease-fire. all of that unfolded. the ukraine scandal was front and center in washington. on capitol hill, sources tell cnn trump's former top russia adviser fiona hill testified that trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani was pursuing a shadow foreign policy to benefit trump. "the wall street journal" began reporting that federal investigators here in new york city are examining rudy
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giuliani's business dealings with ukraine, as well as his bank roertdecords. >> stay with us. we're only on tuesday. mike pence said he was not turning over documents related to his role in the ukraine scandal, and rudy giuliani did not plan to comply with house subpoenas either. george kent testified under oath that a supervisor told him to lie low after he raised complaints as others did about rudy giuliani's personal efforts in ukraine. >> we've made it to wednesday. so on wednesday, the house voted to condemn the president's decision to withdraw u.s. forces from northern syria. by the way, with over 100 republicans in the house joining in that chorus, just a little while later, top democrats walked out of a white house meeting after house speaker nancy pelosi says president trump had a meltdown that she believes was prompted by that vote. >> he was shaken up by it, and
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that's why we couldn't continue in the meeting because he was just not relating to the reality of it. >> what we witnessed on the part of the president was a meltdown. sad to say. >> even senator lindsey graham, a close ally of president trump called the decision to remove u.s. troops from northern syria, quote, the biggest mistake of trump's presidency. that's significant. as frustration mounted over the crisis in syria, michael mckinley was testifying before congress. a source familiar with the hearing says mckinley resigned, after 37 years, over frustration that career diplomats were being undermined. they weren't being bang cked up. >> and then mick mulvaney yesterday told a room full of journalists that aid to ukraine was, in fact, tied to the president's wish for an investigation into the 2016 election. >> i have news for everybody. get over it. there's going to be political influence in foreign policy.
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>> a few hours later, mulvaney walked back those comments amid reports that trump's legal team was, quote, stunned. and the president was frustrated by the briefing. >> by the way, what they're talking about investigating the 2016 election is a conspiracy theory that somehow the ukrainians have the dnc server. it's not based in fact. earlier in the day, u.s. ambassador gordon sondland broke with the president as he testified under oath before three house committees saying the president directed diplomats to work only with giuliani, his personal lawyer, on ukraine. vice president pence, then announced that turkey agreed to a cease-fire in syria. a claim that turkish officials challenge saying it was not a cease-fire, just a pause. >> five days, folks. just this week all of that happened. it's a thrott absorb, but it all matters. and we will stay on top of all of it right here. still to come -- mocking remarks from former defense secretary james mattis. laughing off reports that president trump called him the
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over the past 24 hours, two
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high-profile retired members of the military have taken marsh jabs at the president. retired admiral william mcraven, the architect of the bin laden raid said our republic is under attack from the president. think of that. the significance, poppy. >> huge. >> can't be missed. >> you're completely right. then at a dinner in new york last night, former secretary of defense james mattis mocked the president laughing off reports that the president apparently called him the world's most overrated general. >> i'm not just an overrated general. i am the greatest, the world's most overrated. i'm honored to be considered that by donald trump because he also called meryl streep an overrated actress. i guess i'm the meryl streep of generals. i earned my spurs on the
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battlefield and donald trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor. >> let's talk about all of this because it really isn't a laughing matter but i guess there's nothing else you can do. joining us is seth molton, of course, of massachusetts. he serves on the armed services committee. served four tours in iraq. thank you for being here. obviously, as jim said, we were very struck by the op-ed that admiral -- retired admiral william mcraven wrote. let's listen to what he told jake tapper. >> you know, if you want to destroy an organization, any organization, you destroy it from within, destroy it from without and you convince everybody that you are doing the right thing. when you take a look at what the president has done, he's undermined the intelligence community, the law enforcement community, the department of justice, the state department. >> what do you make of what he said in this moment that the country finds itself in? >> he's absolutely right.
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and it shows that, you know, you don't have to be on the far left of the political spectrum that donald trump needs to go. it's one of the reasons i've supported moving forward with an impeachment inquiry for a long time. but now the national security implications are front and center. and that's why you have people like admiral mcraven speaking out. we haven't heard too much from secretary mattis yet. but i think we'll probably start hearing more. maybe his joke was a sort of tease of more to come. but it's clear that across the political spectrum, people are finally finding the courage to stand up and say there's something more at stake than the future of republican politics. it's the future of our republic. >> okay. that said, the number of republicans, as you know, who have publicly criticized this president are few and far between. and i do want to give credit to folks who have been willing to set aside politics and speak their minds.
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as you know, it's still an endangered species here. i speak to republicans who privately will say, listen, yes, he's doing great damage. but they have political calculations to make. i wonder from your perch because you have great relationships with many republican members. some of them veterans like yourself. do you sense their mood changing at all or their willingness to come out and say, listen, he's gone too far this time? >> i think the mood is changing a little bit but their willingness to come out, jim, we haven't seen much of it. and even people like lindsey graham who are throughout criticizing the president for betraying our kurdish allies, he is still working to get him re-lerkre re-elected and to continue the trump administration policies. so there's a lot of hypocrisy on the right for sure. and not a lot of courage. >> speaking of general mattis on that point, congressman, let's listen to a little bit more of what he said, harkening back to
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president lincoln. >> lincoln went on. it was not the foreign aggressor we must fear. it was corrosion from within. the rot, the viciousness, the lassitude, the ignorance. anarchy is one potential consequence of this. another is the rise of an ambitious leader unfettered by conscience or precedent or decency who would make himself supreme. on that front, as someone who has served multiple tours overseas, what does all of this do, not just domestically to the country but what message does it send to our allies and perhaps more importantly, our adversaries overseas. especially seeing what we just saw play out in turkey yesterday? >> it sends a message that america doesn't keep its word. that the values that we have always championed, that our country was founded upon just don't seem to matter, at least not to this president. and that's an incredibly
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dangerous message for our allies across the globe. for our troops who are risking their lives every single day on the ground and many of whom now feel betrayed by their own commander in chief. and it's a dangerous message for our enemies. i served under general mattis in the marine corps and our division motto was no better friend. no worse enemy than the united states marine. that should be the motto of the united states. that means our allies trust us and our enemies trust our resolve. >> so when you look at the results on the ground of this withdrawal, russia and iran, frankly, moving in to fill the void but also, and i think something folks at home can relate to. if all those issues seem too dista distant, hundreds of isis fighters, terrorists freed now. what danger does that immediate consequence of this decision pose to people at home as they are watching? >> i mean, look, i don't want to exaggerate it, but it's a real danger. we worked very hard.
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we lost lives putting these isis terrorists in prison. and now they're just running free. and the beneficiaries of this absolutely are russia. they're iran. they're erdogan in turkey who seems to be putin's protege. and it's assad. the butcher of syria. the people who look bad are us and our allies. and this is going to have an effect. not just in the middle east. it's going to have an effect on the korean peninsula. don't think kim jong-un isn't watching this and planning his next move against south korea. don't think iran is not watching this and planning their next attack. sadly, i think we're going to see this, the implications of this, and the damage that it's done to our credibility across the globe play out sooner than later. >> those are sobering words. but there's no question they watch and listen. congressman moulton, we
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restrict freedom of expression. listen to this. >> we are at another cross roads. we can either continue to stand for free expression, understanding its messiness but believing the long journey towards greater progress requires korching ideas that challenge us. or we can decide that the cost is simply too great. >> but not every ceo in silicon valley sees it that way at all. including salesforce founder and ceo mark ben i don't have. i sat down with him this week for a wide ranging discussion as he discusses his book trail blazer. he calls out facebook and capitalism saying unequivocally capitalism is dead. watch this. mark, you say capitalism as we know is dead. that's saying a lot coming from a billionaire who made his money through capitalism. why did it die? and when did it die. >> we do need a new capitalism.
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capitalism is dead. we need a new more sustainable, more equitable, more fair capitalism. and that means it's a capitalism built on stakeholders not just sharmds. the government can have a role here, asking companies probably in the s.e.c. reporting to not only deliver your numbers but what about your stakeholder results. >> bernie sanders -- he was asked if he thought billionaires should exist in the united states and he said quote, i hope the day comes when they don't. you're a billionaire should they exist. >> i certainly think people should pay more income taxes at higher levels. are the tax rates fair today? i don't think ner. >> what should your welt, capital gains welt be taxed at what is fair. 50, 60, 70%, mark. >> i think you can look at the traditional tax rates i think have been quite fair. if you look at global tax rates
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and where other countries tax the superrich, that's i think those are fair rates. >> 70%, france. >> you look at those numbers. you can look at different countries that's the most extreme. >> but fair rates. >> i think we should have the conversation. >> fair enough. a welt tax. talked about on the debate stage a lot in week. do you think a wealth fax is the solution in liz baier beth warren says it is. >> i'm looking for systemic change. i'm not lacking for transactional slugs. i think transactional slaugss are a mistake. things that are surgical i think are actually inappropriate and exacerbate the problem. i think we should look for ways to create a new capitalism. i want to have an approach based on all stakeholders. my responsibility isn't just to the shareholders in the company but to all of those stakeholders. >> breaking up big tech. it's a popular line on the campaign trail. we heard it on the debate stage. do you support it?
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>> facebook is the new cigarettes. we have talked about this before. it's addictive, not good for you. they're after your kids. they're running political adz that aren't true, giving your data to tens of thousands of organization without your knowledge. and they're also acquiring other companies and commingling in re data into theirs. i think at that point because they are now doing that they should be broken up. because. >> how does breaking up. >> near creating undue influence as the largest social media platform on the plan zbleet their response, before mark zuckerberg and leadership say if you break us up you a make us less powerful to combat election interference and what was done in the 2016 election. is that a salient argument? >> no, it's not because really the narrative is is trust is our highest priority. why they can't say that trust is our highest value is beyond me. >> right now on facebook on youtube, on twitter, is a false trump campaign ad that is
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running with known false things that it says about joe biden, et cetera. facebook says they're following f.c.c. law applying to broadcasters. and frankly there is no regulation for them in their ads. they're not a broadcaster. but any say sort of we're following the law as we know it. are they making the right call? >>s in why i think congress is trying to act to create truth in advertising. i think this is extremely important in the age of social media. because they have the information of who those persuadables are. and those various political organizations are targeting those groups. that's the insight from the 2016 election. it's a very vulnerable moment right now. >> would you run these ads if you were running facebook? >> no. >> sno question about it. >> no question. >> pretty clear. you can hear the full conversation on my podcast this morning. boss files. we have a lot more ahead, lots of headlines. stay with us. julie means more te than anything... and i wanted to ask you...
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