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how it all plays out and who the players were and concerns and many top officials had either against national security interest or unlawed or just plain wrong. mulvaney describing deeply involved, the president was allegedly use to leverage the investigation into the bidens from ukraine president. the times reporting that the white house's budget office was withholding the money as well as doubts from budget officials and sharp push back from the president's national security team. john bolton for one, bolton you will recall reportedly referred to a drug deal according to testimony. all four happens to be the official, the white house does not want to testify. mulvaney, john bolton and robert blair and michael duffey.
>> to the latest, i want to go to katelyn collins near mar-a-lago tonight. are they working on a plan for the senate trial while he's down there in florida? >> reporter: they still have a lot of big decisions to make. they are making those decisions while the president is here but what's notable is there are people like jared kushner and mulvaney around the president while he's been down here at his mar-a-lago club. people like cipollone has been on this strategy. who's going to defend the president and when they do have that senate trial. there are still questions about who else he could bring in and that kind of shed some lights on the outside influences by the fact that he was golfing with people like trey goudy who has been advisining the president.
>> i talked to boris sanchez the last hour, he raised the name of ali dershowitz who had been on air coming up with legal arguments that the president may be able to use. >> reporter: dewhurso he's gett lot of advice from different people and that was indicative today when he was golfing with someone else, senator graham, he need to bring attorneys from outside in addition to pass cipolonne saying he's going to need more counselors than just that guy. >> the white house did not want
talking to the house under oath. they do not them to testify the senate trial earlier. i spoke with congressman steve cohen, a house judiciary committee. >> congressman, how much of the detail in "the new york times" increase the need for duffey and blair and mulvaney to testify. their names are all over this. >> any logical thinking person you would say increase it a lot. but mcconnell is a political animal and he's trying to figure out how to save the president and therefore surviving himself. he's really running low in the polls in kentucky and he needs trump support. certainly it says that you should have testimony. the public is going to demand testimony and witnesses. it puts the republicans in a difficult position because the truth comes out.
there is nothing anyone can really say except this was a crime, it was an impeachable act and disavowing and disobeying office. everything we have been saying in our impeachment hearing. the case is clear and the republicans have really gone to their second level, their last line of defense which is, they got the aid. they're basically saying yeah, they got the aid means that he did wrong and he was doing wrong for the last minute, he went ahead and gave in. >> the thing about that - >> they can still do that. >> the thing about that argument is they got the aid argument which seems intellectually dishonest to me that they got the aid because the whistleblower came forward and this blew up. that's why you know the aid
ended up when it did. >> that of course is true. that's a logical thinking person who's looking at it subjectively and trying to think about what's right and wrong. mcconnell is not doing that. he can't do that when your client, trump who's on trial is the client of the juror, mcconnell, he's guilty. just like, i am a lawyer and i understand everybody has a right to defense. yeah, you say self-defense, that was -- defense attorney is going tell people to say that. you're find an guilty. >> after president trump put a hold on the aid, robert blair replies to mulvaney, it seems like an under statement given how this is turned out.
it was an accurate warrant. >> well, it was an accurate warning and we did not become unhinged. what we did the democrats at least, we did our duty given to us for article one, to look at the constitution and take the soul responsibility of impeachment and utilize it to keep a president who was a rogue president operating outside of the constitutional norms and put him in check. that's what we did. now the republicans went unhinged because again, they did not have a real defense. all they could do was talk in high pitch voices and loud and take their coats off and talk about the fact that the aid was released, come up with a bunch of stuff about the bidens, what hunter did in a car in florida. confiscation and deflection, they can't defend it. he's guilty. >> when it comes to the art of impeachment, how long do you
think is too long for speaker pelosi to hold them or is it possible to just never send them over at all and just not have it go to the senate? >> well, my friend wrote a song called the gambler. nancy pelosi is as great card player because she knows when to hold them and when to fold them. i am not going to suggest to her when to do it because she's the best. >> congressman cohen, i appreciate your time. >> you are welcome. have a great new year. >> you take care. >> all this from our legal political team and our alex stewart and paul mcgowan. have you seen anything quite like this of what to tell in "the new york times" reported. >> no, it was jaw dropping. three years into this presidency, they would be used
to the di functiysfunction. we are a super power. we are the largest military and the largest budget and when you make a decision, you bring in all the experts of generals and diplomats that the allies, here you have in the times reporting in late august, the secretary of state, chief diplomat, the national security advisor, all three unified, sitting down with the president, seems like an intervention with an addiction issue. we have to release the safe. in a fight between the secretary of defense, the secretary of state and the national security advisor verses donald trump, rudy giuliani and vladimir putin, it was not everyon going fight. that's unprecedented. >> yeah, alex, one of the things that jump out of "the new york times" reporting was the
undisclosed meeting, all advising the president reportedly that something is the interest of the united states which is giving the aid to ukraine and the president ignored them. >> right, and this is an excellent report and it has a lot of information but anderson, at the end of the day, there is not a lot of new information. this is basically gives them details of what we already knew. this is as to what really happens here. repeatedly, this phone call and the president sit on this call was inappropriate. i do not believe it rises to the level of impeachment. one nugget of information of this article has really gotten overlooked was the white house aid, blair, mentioning down to the story. when he heard the president's request announcement by ukraine they would look into the bidens. he didn't look at that as anything more than the president withholding aid, he has problems
and he has voice concerns in the past about foreign aid. he has concerns about corruption in ukraine. he listens to the president's phone call as the president in an ongoing dialogue and ongoing policy he has about foreign aid. that's exactly how he took it. clearly, there are much more to it than that. someone actually has direct knowledge of this. this is a viable actual account of how he heard that and it is something that absolutely does need to be considered. >>s the it is an interesting p. really the president never talked about corruption anywhere in the world except suddenly now ukraine and the only name he brings up is something that would be about ukraine involvement and not russia involve nment in the election a the person happens to be his biggest political opponent.
so, it is interesting that this guy may not have thought it was a problem but i am not sure there is a track record other than the official policy of the united states government being executed by the then diplomats the embassy of ukraine of fighting corruption. it is not a big fight from this president. >> right, i mean what's missing from the white house's story is a compelling narrative or even a reason to believe or believable narrative for why the aid was being held up. why for that matter, the meeting with the president of ukraine was not given and what we have to look at this new report in the context of is everything else that we know from the actual impeachment hearings, from the call that was released and the transcript and the summary of the call from july 25th, none of these things are happening in isolation. the new report from "the new york times" is not in isolation.
it all had to be taken together. when we look at all information that's revealed. it certainly looks like there was the aid being withheld in the context and in the timeline of when the president was also pressuring the president of ukraine to conduct and to announce the conduct of investigations into his political opponent and a person who seems to maybe know all of that is mick mulvaney. i think the new article does show just how much mulvaney, the chief of staff knows and so it is awfully interesting that he in particular is unwilling and the president is unwilling to allow him to testify in front of congress. >> we got to take a quick break. we'll continue this discussion and turns out rudy giuliani has been busier than we knew. i will tell you about another piece about diplomacy and business he's conducting and the policies he seems to be
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out. i am curious about mulvaney who carriied a lot of the presidents water with regards to the ukraine situation and really gone out on a limb for him. i thought it was interesting that he left out a lot of these meetings with president trump and rudy giuliani and that is something about mulvaney. i want to be in on those calls. if i am a democratic, i want to know what's the reason he was left out of those meetings. is it true that rudy giuliani wanted attorney/client privilege. that's anyone wanted to know the answer for that. >> paul, in the article indicates that he was in the room because he wanted to give them a attorney point of privilege. to me that raises questions, well, then he's assuming that whatever business they are k
conducting is legal business and personal and based on the president's personal interests, if they're discussing policies and mulvaney thinks it is all the president's personal interest, that sort of argues against the notion that he was doing the people's business and holding of aid in ukraine. this is all part of his personal, you know, shenanigans with rudy giuliani. >> right, but, even a terrible lawyer knows -- it only applies when you are giving advice. it does not -- if i am talking and parnas said to me, bet on uva and the orange bowl, that's not legal advice. that's good football advice perhaps. it is why ruin dy giuliani needo be under oath and mr. mulvaney
needs to be under oath. that's why the pressure on the republican center is going to be enormous. it may be mr. blair completely exonerates the president. well, let's clear his good name and let's get mr. blair up there to clear the good name of our fine unimpeachable president. >> carrie, one of the things i am sure about is that it is really a good idea to pay your lawyer? your lawyer then is working for you and allegedly had your best interests, if you are not paying your lawyer but your deal is you allow your lawyer to make all sorts of side deals with whoever they happen to be able to bring into their net because of their contact with us, that leaves a whole lot of room for shenanigans is as stupid word to go on. and striking, you know, security deals with official in ukraine
and turkey and trying to lobby the president and clients he has and who knows, and venezuela and trying set out security arrangement for the new regime and supply and surveillance equipment to the army. none of that is a good idea if that's your envoy. >> well, it is also the not the nature pro bono. those are real little matters. that's not what's going on between the president and the rudy giuliani. he's engaged in all sorts of things, paul's right, that would not be legal privilege as attorney client. they're trying to maintain some sort of versailles. given all the other things that rudy giuliani is vofrinvolved w that seems unlikely. there is a piece where we come to accept this odd relationship
between the president and rudy giuliani as his lawyer but really when we think about what was in that article, the passage that alex was describing where mulvaney steps out of the office where the president was discussing things with rudy giuliani, rudy giuliani does not work for the u.s. government or the american people. he should not be involved in matters of states. so if there are actual matters of states that mulvaney is stepping out for, for the president to be able to discuss with, with rudy giuliani, that means the president is using him in a way that is potentially national defense matter or security matter. certainly ukraine was an important national dispense matter. it really is quite a serious matter on this unusual relationship that they have. it is just a blurred line between personal and official u.s. government.
>> alex, i will give you the last thought. >> there is nothing more costly than free help. that's a real concern here when rudy giuliani is not accepting a paycheck from this president of the united states. it really does raise a question, all of this work he's doing on the side and around the world, who's benefiting from that? hopefully, the president of the united states but we don't know. >> all right, tomorrow i am calling any attorneys i ever met and make sure my bills are paid. >> happy new year. >> two horrific attacks, more hate crimes are on tb rise. with new creations to choose from; like rich, butter-poached maine lobster and crispy crab-stuffed shrimp rangoon. how will you pick just 4 of 10? it won't be easy. better hurry in. actions speak louder than words. she was a school teacher. my dad joined the navy and helped
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lacerations and cut wounds. >> i started to come back to the front door. i opened the door and an older gentleman was leaving. he stayed in there. he came back from the kitchen to the main room. >> gluck had the present of mind to get his license plate number. the suspect was arrested as he return to manhattan. the video of that is i am manl is captured on security camera and released by nypd. his clothing and hands had blood on them and the car smell like bleach in a possible attempt to wash away evidence. >> many impression from speaking with him that he needs serious psychiatric evaluations. >> the suspect's family says he's a former marine and he's not anti-semitic but he does have mental health issues. his lawyer says he looked over the the same journal described by investigators. >> there is no suggestions any
of those ramblings and pages of writing are anti-semitic motivm. >> attacks are on the rise. >> look, i think it is incredibly important. when someone bursts into a person's home after driven half an hour with a machete in attempts to butcher them, that's not an accident. that's a hate crime plain and simple. calling it out as it is is critical so the broad eer community understands, this was not just an isolated incident, this was not an attack or a crime. this is a threat to the entire community, it nieeds to be treated. you have seen in new york a rising problem in this.
>> this happens over the past new days of a series of incidents over the past several years. we have nearly double the number of anti-semitic the i can residents across the country. double,double. in new york, we had hundreds of anti-semitic incidents in manhattan and brooklyn and now in muncie. >> what accounts for that? >> can you track that? >> i think there are several things that are affecting us. number one, we have an environment where hate has almost become part of the public conversation on a daily bases. we have leaders engaged in prejudice, it happens in full stop from the highest levels of the land. secondly, we see leaders in other positions of authorities, almost dismissed or denying ant
semiti anti-smettism. >> also when leaders use that language and that attitude, it emboldens everybody else. you can think anti-semitism as a virus. when our collective immune system is -- other people don't call it out when it happens. social media encourages a remarkable slander type. when our immune system weakens, the virus explodes and it shows up in an awful way. >> i still can't get over charlottesville and i can't get over the fact that hundreds of americans were willing to show
up, now you know, carrying nazi flags and chanting jews will not replace us. i just find that in the united states which battles nazis and battles hate. i am not an idiot, i know these groups exist. the blatant showing of those colors -- we were talking about this just a few years. we knew that rally would be big, much larger than we thought. flash forward to 2018, we had a record number of hate crimes, the third highest total that we have seen in 40 years of collecting this data. what's interesting is only 13% were committed by known white supremacists. almost 90% were committed by ordinary people. talking about act of harassment and the machete assailant had no
ties to supremacist group. we don't know anything about him other than he's a deranged individual. an environment where people feel it is okay to traffic in these and push around these kinds of prejudice. we need our leaders to lead and we need to stop now. >> appreciate your time. >> thank you. just ahead, neck and neck in iowa. the top of the race, i will speak with of the democratic who's hopping to breakthrough. governor deval patrick. i'll get that later. dylan! but the one thing we could both agree on was getting geico to help with homeowners insurance. what? switching and saving was really easy! i love you! what? sweetie! hands off the glass. ugh!!
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only five weeks to go. democrats are swarming iowa. they're hitting each other more directly in these final days. mayor pete buttigieg went after joe biden this weekend. bernie sanders told audience when it comes to question for his medicare for all plans, he should not be the only one facing scrutiny. >> it is fair to ask me how i will be paying for it but also ask my opponent why it is 15 or $20,000 a year for healthcare today while they can't afford it. >> medicare for all, government deval patrick.
i spoke with him. you heard what bernie sanders said as somebody poses the idea of medicare for all. how do you respond to him and what's the alternative affair? >> the alternative is not the status quo at least in my view and my -- i think it is not exactly to say i host medicare for all. we are using that slogan to mean a whole bunch of things. what i believe having the experience of extending healthcare and 99% of the residents in massachusetts is building on the aca with a public option ais a better and smarter way to learn as we go. if that public option is medicare. that's fine. what i like about that approach is that you know the creative tension that you have from the private insurance industry on the one hand having to figure out how to compete for all folks moving antonio ting into the no cost. that's a good thing in terms of
driving cost down. >> your decision to enter the race, you enter late obviously, people i talk about, entering before, was it that you saw if there are lanes that candidates are in that people say you are in the moderate and democratic party, you are certainly joe biden or pete buttigieg's lane if you will or senator klobachar. do you see a joe biden as, is that the lane you are in? >> so you know -- >> obviously, you don't like to be put in a lane. >> yes, i don't think anybody of us fits in a box. we were ready to go a little more than a year ago. three weeks from stepping out take when my wife diane was diagnosed with uterine cancer, we celebrated 30 years in may
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president obama and president trump tied at 18% for the most admired men. >> you still believe polls? >> no, i don't. >> i think that beating president trump is obviously a prerequisite. if all we do is offer a formula for removing him from advocacy office with indication we'll go back to do what we use to do, we are going to miss that moment. you look at the financial number and the economic indicators. they don't tell the whole story. we have low unemployment, as long as you count all three minimum wage, folks to do to survive. we have low inflation as long as you don't count the cost of housing healthcare and education, right? the things that enable people to lift themselves into a path of economic mobility.
having grown up and welfare on the south side of chicago and living my american tree, going to college and and being a civil rights attorney and two-term governor, i see that american dream becoming more and more out of reach for more and more people. it is a thing worth defending. i think we'll get there in part of our system, we have to have a strategy for growing opportunities. >> you were able to get on the michigan primary ballot, you failed to qualify for that. obviously it was a key state. how much more difficult does it make for you? >> that's a whaacky situation. >> there were two candidates that was not announced at the time the party sent the list over to secretary of state. one name they put on and one name they did not. what's right about that? >> fundamentally that does not work. >> it turns out there are other
candidates had trouble getting on the ballot. senator booker and secretary castro had trouble. we got a kind of a messed up system. we'll do what we need to do. we are ready to be competitive and we'll be up very soon on television in the early states particularly in new hampshire and south carolina. we have organizations in each of those states and it is a wide open night. >> so, you know, i am later but not late. it is not late until the vote is voted. it is important to remember that. >> mayor governor deval. thank you so much. >> happy new year. >> happy new year to you. >> coming up, linda ronstadt of her artistry and her incredible career. [farmers bell] ♪
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it seems like music from the earliest memories -- >> i remember trying to write a song when i was 2 on the piano. >> when you were 2? >> yeah, it was called "tweet, tweet, tweet. it was about a bird. >> did you ever plan on becoming a superstar? >> i never thought about that. i thought i wanted to sing, and i thought it would be nice if i could make my living singing. that meant paying the rent and groceries. i wouldn't have to go work at a bank or something else. and i always managed to do that. i never had to get a different job. but, you know, when i was getting paid $30 a week to sing, i thought i was doing fine. i thought that was really success. >> what did you feel when you were singing, especially early on? >> i just felt like i wanted to make myself feel like music that i liked made me feel. i'd hear melissa armstrong and ella fitzgerald, and i'd go, i want to do that, i want to feel that why. >> the act of singing, was it joyful? >> well, it was something because people used to turn around when i'd sing. in school, you're supposed to pretend and sing and go la, la,
la. but i was going, let's sing, you know? because my family sang. so i sang with my older brother, who was in the tucson arizona boys choirs, one of the soloists. he was wonderful. >> and he taught you about bravado and -- >> yeah, he did. and we learned harmonies. we just didn't have to be taught them. we just knew how to sing harmony. we used to sing in the back of the car. we used to sing with our hands in the dishwater. i think everybody should do their own singing. up don't have to be a professional. you don't have to delegate your sorrows to professionals. you can sing your own sorrows. some music is just for privacy. it's something you sing in your bedroom. and some music is something you play at the piano for a select group of friends. >> were you confident as a singer? did you know how good you were? >> oh, i never thought i was. >> you didn't? >> i always thought i might get a little better tomorrow. but i always felt like my phrasing was kind of hopeless. >> in the documentary, somebody
says about you that when you would be onstage, if you saw people in the front row, two people sort of whispering to each other, that you assumed they were saying bad things about you? >> yeah, poor lady, she can't sing. >> you really felt that even -- i mean you're on a stage in front of thousands of people. >> i tried to keep my eyes closed. you don't see the audience very much because they're not lit, but you are. so you can pretend you're by yourself. when i see the audience, it's why are all those people staring at you? in the animal kingdom, when an animal is staring at you, they probably want to eat you. it's deep rooted instinct, you know? >> was there ever a point when you were satisfied with the quality of it? >> in the '90s, i sang better than the '80s. it's always a work in progress. it's very weird to hear a recording because it's frozen in time. i go, oh, i sang it better in jacksonville, florida, in 1978. you remember the moment that you really achieved something. but it's not the whole song even.
it's just a phrase or a note. you go, that was the gold standard, you know. >> so it's just a little piece of a song that you feel, okay, that meets my standards? >> yeah. when i hear records, i go, that phrase was nice. that measure was nice. that song sucked. you know, that song proves i never could sing my whole life anyway. >> you weren't a songwriter, but you picked songs, and you made them your own, and i mean in such an extraordinary way. how did you know what songs to -- because it seems like a number of them, you heard on a radio or you heard somewhere. >> well, i'd hear something and it would speak to me urgently that that was like something i'd felt in my life. sometimes it was only a phrase, and then i'd have to figure out how to make the rest of the song fit. and sometimes it was not music terribly well suited to my style, but i'd have to make it that way. >> as a said, a remarkable artist. here's a quick preview of the
documentary, "linda ronstadt: the sound of my voice". >> she came to los angeles. >> ladies and gentlemen, ms. linda ronstadt. >> i was 18 years old. we formed a band called the stone poneys. >> the l.a. scene was in gear, and the whole damn thing broke loose. >> there was rock music, folk music commingling. >> how could we define what this was going to be? >> linda was the queen. she was like what beyonce is now. >> she was the only female artist to have five platinum albums in a row. >> "i can't help it if i'm still in love with you" was a hit on the country charts. "you're no good" was a hit on the r&b chart and the pop chart. i became the first artist to have a hit on all three charts ♪ you're no good, you're no good, you're no good ♪ >> she was the first female rock and roll star. ♪ you're no good, you're no good, you're no good ♪ >> "linda ronstadt: the sound of my voice."
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who would have think it, new year's eve 2020 is just about here. in less than 24 hours, andy cohen and i will once again be in times square where the weather forecast is actually not terrible. here's a look at some of the joys of last year's program. >> i'm so grateful that it's in the 40s tonight. >> it is amazing.
>> i don't even care about the rain. >> no one cares about the rain. >> boy, the rain is really picking up. >> no talking about the weather. >> no, i'm enjoying it. i'm cozy as all get out. >> they don't even want us to have the umbrella. it's been a fight. >> we've been fighting with them about the umbrella. >> you would be proud of your son. he was literally like, put me in a paddy wagon. i'm not getting rid of this umbrella. >> it's true. this is some grade "a" b.s. it's like a joke. what do they care about an umbrella? i was so happy before. i just want to say, it's pouring. >> by the way, i finally at one point during a commercial break turned to andy and was like, shut up with the stupid umbrella and the rain. no one wants to hear about it. and he then stopped talking about it. by the way, times square alliance, they reversed their decision. they now allow umbrellas. so andy likes to think of himself like the norma rae of times square. there's almost no chance of rain tomorrow night according to weather reports, which i never
really believe. our coverage kicks off tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. eastern live from times square. we go to 12:30, and don lemon takes over, just as he does right now. i'll turn it over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." this is "cnn tonight." i'm victor blackwell sitting in for don lemon. with the impeachment trial of president trump looming whether the senate reconvenes in january, new details are emerging about the administration's decision to withhold nearly $400 million in military aid to ukraine. "the new york times" reporting that a month before the phone call where the president asked ukraine's leader to investigate trump's political rivals. a top adviser to white house chief of staff mick mulvaney warned mulvaney that congress will become unhinged if the money is withheld. the "times" also reports that top trump officials including former national security adviser john bolton, defense secretary mark esper, and secretary of state mike pompeo met in the oval office with the president in august in a previously