tv The Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN May 21, 2020 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT
this is cnn breaking news. >> we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzerer in the situation room. tonight as the u.s. coronavirus death toll gets closer to 100,000, president trump is each more brazen and defiant in his refusal to wear a mask in public. he says he left his face uncovered during an on camera tour of a ford motor plant in michigan because he didn't want to give the news media, in his words, the pleasure of seeing him in a mask. michigan's attorney general just told me the president of the united states is actually breaking state law in michigan
on mask wearing, and in her words is acting like a petulant child. this comes amid growing concerns that many more americans will be infected and die as every state in the nation moves ahead on reopening. the rate of new case is now trending up in 17 states. and a new model is predicting spikes in some states that reopened early, particularly in the south. let's go to jeremy diamond. the president says he wore a mask offcamera, behind the scenes, back stage, but he refuses to do so when there are any cameras present. >> that's right, wolf. the question heading into today was whether the president would or would not wear a mask following michigan state law and ford's own rules for the manufacturing plant. the answer, wolf, was decidedly no. even as the president goes for unproven methods of preventing coronavirus, like taking hydroxychloroquine, the president is still defying the
one step that public health experts are recommending all americans take to slow the spread. president trump defying the state of michigan and the ford motor company, touring a ford manufacturing plant without a mask. pushing for a return to normal. even as he was surrounded by others wearing masks, the president sticking to his guns and saying he chose not to out of spite. >> i wore one in the back area but i didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. i put it on and it looked very nice. it was very nice. >> reporter: michigan's attorney general warned the president would not be welcome back if he refused. >> is the president no longer welcome in michigan? >> well, i would say speaking on behalf of my department and my office, that's right. that's exactly right. i mean, today's events were extremely disappointing, and yet
totally predictable. this is not a joke. and he's conveying the worst possible message to people who cannot afford to be -- on the receiving end of terrible misinformation. >> reporter: the president tonight also insisting he has no plans to fire his cdc director. >> are you looking to replace dr. redfield or is it -- >> no. >> reporter: the questions about the cdc director's fate come amid tensions between the white house and the cdc including the president's push to reopen churches more quickly. >> one of the other thing i want to do is get the churches open. the churches are not being treated with respect by a lot of the democrat governors. i want to get our churches open. and we are going to take a very strong position on that very soon. >> reporter: while trump tries to spur a return to normal the government's health experts are warning the pandemic is far from over. the dr. anthony fauci warning.
>> now is not the time to tempt fate. people ask, do you think we will be back to normal this summer? i say i don't think so. it is going to be a new normal, not the way we had it before. >> reporter: dr. fauci also raising concern has the name of the government's effort to manufacture a vaccine by 2021 screwed. when they hear prapoperation wa speed. 2.4 million americans filed for unemployment last week, sending the total number of americans applying for first-time unemployment benefits to 38.6 million in just nine weeks. wolf, while the president claims that ford officials told him it wasn't necessary to wear a mask during that tour we do now have a statement from the ford motor company. they say, bill ford, the executive chairman of ford motor
company encouraged president trump to wear a mask when he arrived. he wore a mask during a private viewing of three ford gfs from over the years. the president later removed the mask for the remainder of the visit. we should also note, wolf, a reporter got to ask bill ford the chairman of the company, whether indeed it was up to the president, whether they gave him the choice and all he said was it's up to him. >> jeremy diamond reporting for us. thank you. let's get the latest on moves to reopen the united states and the risk americans are facing. erica hill is in new york for us. what are you learn being restrictions being lifted out on the west coast? >> more are being lifted. two thirds of california's counties have been cleared to move further into phase two. that means in-person dining and shopping can resume, even some shopping malls. that is relief of course for a number of business owners.
officials, though, are weighing that with public health, as you know, and perhaps some of the starkest comments that we have heard coming today from the governor of rhode island, who said if she knew back then, just a couple of months ago, what she knows now, she would have absolutely shut her state down sooner. graduates faced six feet apart. the stadium at half capacity. >> i absolutely felt safe. >> reporter: hundreds of seniors accepting diplomas in northern alabama. an hour south, hospitals are maxed out. >> right now, if you are from montgomery and you need an icu bed, you are in trouble. >> reporter: montgomery, alabama, has seen new cases double since the beginning of may. it is one of several areas that could continue to see numbers raise according to a new model from a team at the children's hospital of philadelphia and the university of pennsylvania. they are findings show states that opened early like alabama and more populated areas like miami are at particular risk. >> i think the value of our
forecasts is that there is still time to modify behavior. >> reporter: governor andrew cuomo today said new york is moving in the right direction. >> march 20th to may 20th, in that period of time that will go down in history a lot of pain, unique period. but we got through it. we got through it. we got over the mountain. literally and figuratively. >> reporter: camp grounds, in-person dining, casinos and graceland just a few of the new additions across the country today. michigan, which has grabbed national headlines for its stuff stay-at-home measures announcing in-person retail and gatherings of ten or less can return on tuesday. universal orlando has a phased reopening which could start in early june. >> we are going to ramp up slowly in terms of making sure that all of the procedures and all the practices that we are putting in place actually work. >> florida is one of 17 states reporting an increase in new cases over the past week.
>> the scientific evidence clearly indicates that physical separation has worked. but not completely. if you look at the curves in our country, it isn't like everything is dramatically going down. now is not the time to tempt fate and pull back completely. >> reporter: a sobering report from referencers at columbia university finds as many as 36,000 american lives could have been saved if social distancing measures had been put in place just one week earlier. there are also new questions about testing data after learning some states have been combining information for diagnostic and anti-body tests. 38.6 million americans have now filed for unemployment benefits since mid march. and with each report, concern grows about the businesses that may never recover. >> i never thought i would be in a position that i would have to close a successful business due to reasons outside of what i can
control. >> reporter: as we know, so much of this has played a role in decisions being made by leaders, on local, county, state levels, wolf, as we move forward. and slowly you will see more news making -- more things out in the headlines. tennessee for example, just today saying they are going to increase the number of people who can be at a gathering. currently at ten, wolf. pretty soon 50 people will be allowed to gather together. and you will see more awe approach the holiday weekend. >> let's hope for the best. let's talk more about the reopening moves across the country and the breaking news on president trump's trip to the midwest. we are joined by the republican governor of ohio, mike dewine. mike, thank you for joining us. you have certainly been a leader in the every to try to contain this pandemic. what message first of all did the president send today with his refusal in michigan to wear a mask in public while visiting that ford plant? >> he did wear a mask, you
reported. i think that is a signal itself. >> he wore it -- governor, he only wore a mask behind the scenes, back stage. he didn't want to wear a mask when there were any cameras because he said he didn't want to give the news media the pleasure of seeing him wear a mask. he refused to wear a mask when he was in public walking around with all the ford executives even though all of the executives were wearing masks. >> well, i don't know, wolf. i am focused on ohio. you know, we are encouraging people of course to wear masks when we are out in public, you know, if they are going out somewhere. you know, that gives that added layer of protection. and you know, i get asked -- i have been asked. people say, mike, you weren't saying wear a mask two months ago. i said, well, we weren't opening back up two months ago. so it gives that added layer. we just encourage people to do
that. you know a lot of things we are focusing on. we are focusing obviously on getting our testing up. it is not where we want it. but it is a lot more than it was a couple week ago. we are optimistic we are going to continue in that direction. >> you have a lot going on, as we know. ohio, like michigan, is the home to various auto plants. if the president were to visit your state, want to tour a plant, would you ask him to wear a mask? >> well, i don't discuss my personal conversations with the president. you know, the president is going to do what the president wants to do. you know, that's -- that is what it is. so -- >> yeah, you know -- but, clearly if you went into a sensitive area where there were a lot of workers many of whom are risking their lives just to get the job done, you will be wearing a mask, you wouldn't have any hesitation, being photographed, seen in public, wearing a mask, would you? >> no, but i'm not the
president. you know, i -- we go out, you know, somewhere -- we don't go out very much, but if we go out, you know, i put a mask on. we walk over to our daughter and soci son-in-law and their four kids down the road from here. when we get close to the house we put a mask on because we want to keep that distance -- we keep the distance, too. actually it was my wife's birthday and we went over there, but we kept the distance and kept the mask on except when we were eating the cake. these are just things that you know, we are trying to tell ohioans, that we are opening back up, so the risk goes up. we know the risk is up. and we have got keep the distance. and at the same time, you know, we add an additional layer in regard to the mask which you know is helping. it doesn't help -- as you know, you talked a lot about it. doesn't help you so much, it helps the other person. >> it is a courtesy to other
people in case you have been exposed and you are asymptomatic. it is a courtesy, you are not going to pass it on to someone else. certainly, it is the right thing to do. and certainly for the president i think to show the american public there is nothing wrong with wearing a mask. an important aspect all of this, unfortunate, but really important. let's talk about some of the other issues you are following right now. i am curious about something the president keeps harping on, in michigan, because he visited there specifically. he slamming vote by mail practices. i know in your state of ohio residents can vote by mail. i think in 30 or more states people can vote by mail. have you seen any evidence to support the president's claim that mile-in voting leads to what he calls tremendous fraud? >> well, wolf, we have done this in ohio for a long time. i don't know how many years, but it has been a long time. we have basically 28 days that
you can vote before the election by mail. but you also can go into the board of elections and vote. and then of course you can vote on election day. so we have very open voting in ohio. so we have a lot of experience with it. our secretary of state, you know, runs a good operation. so, you know, we don't anticipate any concern this fall. i know some people are saying, well, are you going to vote in person? look, we do both. and we think that, you know, that's going to cover it very well. >> because, especially in the time of the pandemic. people are nervous, they are going to wait in line, and go into a public place, especially elderly voters. they want to be able to vote by mail. and it is happening all over the country. in some states, that's the way they do it. what i don't understand is why the president is so adamant in saying this leads to fraud? >> well, i don't know. i don't know what the president
is looking at. my frame of reference frankly is very narrow. it is just the state of ohio. you know, we have just done this for a long time, and it's -- you know, it has worked out, we think, pretty well. >> that's what i hear from governors all over the country. they don't really see any evidence -- yeah, there is minor little here and there, but they don't see any evidence of major fraud. the president is clearly threatening michigan right now if they allow mail-in voting, he is going to cut back federal funding to michigan, which obviously is very, very concerning. as usual, governor, my thanks for everything you are doing for the people of ohio. >> thanks wolf. >> thank you for joining us. of course we will continue these conversations down the road. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and good luck to everyone in ohio. just ahead, i will get reaction to the president's new defiance against wearing a mask in public from cnn's dr. sanjay gupta. and in some places tensions over wearing or not wearing mask versus actually led to violence. we will have a full report.
or itching for some cuddle time. but you may not know when he's itching for help... licking for help... or rubbing for help. if your dog does these frequently. they may be signs of an allergic skin condition that needs treatment. don't wait. talk to your veterinarian and learn more at itchingforhelp.com. truly transformative sleep. so, no more tossing and turning. because only tempur-pedic adapts and responds to your body...
we are back with break news. president trump again refusing to follow his owned a straying's guidelines on wearing a mask in public. he's suggest his defiance is driven by his animosity for the news media. saying he doesn't want to give the news media the pleasure, his words, the pleasure of seeing him in a mask. let's bring in our panel, sanjay, watch how the president explained why he didn't wear a mask in public during his visit to michigan today.
>> i did wear -- i had one on before. i wore one in this back area. but i didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. but, i had it in the back area. i did put a mask on. >> had you effective are masks. how effective would it be if the president modelled that behavior and actually encouraged more americans to wear them? >> you know, we are getting increasing evidence about just how much of an impact masks are making. and also some evidence of the fact that most americans do want to wear masks at least some of the time. so like what we are seeing with the president there, who should be wearing a mask was told by bill ford at the ford motor company there that he should wear a mask and decided not to -- most americans are still, you know, they understand the importance of this. i think it is worth pointing out, wolf, that you know, the president may have had an exposure at the white house because there is people who tested positive at the white house. and three of his top public health officials not only are
wearing masks but are in some form of quarantine as a result of that exposure. very different approach there is. obviously, the public health official are the ones who i think we need to model and pay attention to. >> what does it tell you, gloria, that the president doesn't want to be seen wearing a mask? >> well, it is hard to get into donald trump's head but there are a couple of things that seem pretty obvious to me. one is i think that for some unexplained reason he sees the mask as a sign of weakness, as a sign that the country is not back to normal. because wearing a mask is not part of the normal he wants to get back. to it should become and will become a part of the new normal for the foreseeable future in this country until there is a vaccine, until people feel safe. but as far as the president is concerned it is not the image he wants to project. there is another thing which comes to mind, which is vanity. i don't think the way he looks in a mask.
i don't think any us like the way we look in our masks. but he said i don't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing this. it is because he isn't want a picture taken of it? why didn't he want a picture taken of it? because he doesn't like the way he looks in it and he wants to show the public that he is in control and the virus is not in control. when in fact, we all know that unfortunately, the virus is in control of our lives right now. >> yes, indeed. dr. mcclellan, the president won't wear a mask but he will take an unproven drug, hydroxychloroquine. is he taking the best steps to protect his own health? >> well, wolf, i wish we had more treatments that have been proven to be effective available. fortunately, there are many in the pipeline. i think very important for americans to know there are warnings against using hydroxychloroquine, especially if you are certain risk groups. and very importantly there are some clinical trials going on right now involving hydroxychloroquine. so hopefully we will get a
better answer soon. but we do need better treatments available. and i think we will hopefully be able to get there quickly. >> the fda, your former agency, issued a public statement saying it is not advisable, it is not going to prevent someone, necessarily, from goating coronavirus. you know -- from getting coronavirus. sanjay a clearer picture is emerging from parts of the country that reopened on the earlier side. some are suggesting they are saying a cause for concern. are you? >> you know, i think any time you start to reopen there are going to be people who become infected who otherwise wouldn't. i think it is a question of just how many people and how many of these people are likely to then go on to need hospitalization or sadly even die. we have some projections. if you look at models at some tick counties. going specifically to florida, palm beach county, you will see that the numbers are currently 102 people per day becoming
infected. four weeks, 383 people per day. it is important to look at these numbers and make sure they don't go into exponential growth. also, houston, another place -- harris county there in texas. 2005 patients per day. could almost go up ten times that, more than that, close to 2,500 patients per day. this is concerning, wolf. i will say this. i don't think it is a binary thing, you are open or you are shut. i think -- talking about the masks again, even though people are going out into a county or a state that's now open people are still being cautious more so than not. more people are being cautious. >> sanjay i want to let our viewers know that later tonight you and anderson will be co-hosting a cnn global town hall on the coronavirus pandemic. you will be equity having what it will take to get students back to the classrooms. that's later tonight. 8:00 p.m. eastern. only here on cnn. thanks to all of you for joining
us. just ahead, two experts standing by. we are going to break down a new model warning that infections may spike in states that reopened too early. the south appears to be especially vulnerable right now. and another arrest was just announced in the fatal shooting of a young unarmed african-american man in georgia. we have details.
unilever, the makers of dove, hellmann's, vaseline, and more, is donating millions of products to frontline aid organizations like feeding america and direct relief. to get help or give help, join us at weareunitedforamerica.com. ♪ the xfinity voice remote will find exactly that.for, happy stuff. the group's happy, i'm happy. you can even say a famous movie quote and it will know the right movie. circle of trust, greg.
welcome babreaking news we following right now. the georgia bureau of investigation has made another arrest in the case of ahmaud arbery, a young african-american man who was shot and killed while on a jog earlier this year. the fatal shooting was captured on cam and and generated outrage across the country. martin savidge joins us now. >> it was that video that changed the trajectory of this investigation. you will remember for two months it was stagnant. then the shocking video was released. it was william, "roddie" bryan who made the video and he has been taken into cut exactly two weeks from the time that you had gregory and travis mcmichael taken under arrest. now bryan has been taken into custody and charged with felony murder, the same charn that
travis and gregory received. also, he has been charged with criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment. there had been a lot of consternation who believe that bryan, in addition to taking the video had also apparently participated in trying the detain arbery on that day. his attorneys maintained that arbery was just a bystander who happened to be a witness and captured it on his phone. we all know it was that video that changed everything in this case. but now he is in custody and in the same jail as the mcmichaels. wolf? we are just getting a statement in, martin, from the attorneys for the another and father of ahmaud arbery. and let me read it to our viewers. the family of ammhmaud arbery, s relieved to learn that the gbi has taken william "roddie" bryan into custody. we called for his arrest from the very beginning of this
process. his involvement in the murder of mr. arbery was evident to us and to many through the country and after their thorough investigation the gbi as well. the family is thankful for the diligence of the gbi and the way they tirelessly pursued the evidence in this case. we want everyone who participated in the murder of mr. arbery to be held accountable. a very strong statement from the family, martin. >> it is, indeed. and they are right. this is something they have been calling for from the very beginning. it has also been something that the supporters of the arbery family have been asking for, all the protests that have been held have spoken to this very fact that they believe that bryan was not just an mountain witness here, that he somehow was involved. remember, he was named in two police reports, one of them which mcmichael himself, gregory mcmichael stated that roddie attempted to try to use his vehicle to block arbery that
day. there was another report from authorities that suggested as well that he was a participant. it is interesting, there was a raid conducted a search warrant carried out on the mcmichaels' home. that was on tuesday this week. you have to wonder could anything found in their home have made them move on this arrest of bryan. i want to bring in lauren michaels. what is your reaction when you heard of this dramatic development? >> it is extraordinarily striking wolf because felony murder is what he is being charged with. that is important here because most people think to themselves if you are not the one who actually fired the gun there would not be criminal liability. felony murder is a doctrine that essentially says if you participated in the crime, somebody who advised or encouraged or in some way helped another person commit a crime, even if nobody intended to
actually kill somebody, the fact that you were engaged in a felony or a crime and there was a foreseeable risk that somebody could be harmed, you can be viable. so what we are seeing here is a compilation. not only what martin is talking about. remember, everybody was talking about how that video that was captured that captured the death of ahmaud arbery was only four minutes long. and people kept wondering how is it that this man, bryan, was in a position to have his camera ready at just the right time and capture this moment? was he somebody who participated? did he actually cut off ahmaud arbery with his own car to try to keep him in one position, to have this ambush? that's what was being looked at.
it seems that authorities have now found that, look, there is reason to believe that at least the there are allegations that can be supported that he participated in this crime and was simply not an innocent by stander. of course. would, his attorneys will obviously argue that as a defense to felony murder that he was simply in the right place for filming but at the wrong time and was innocent. >> as you point out, william bryan was just arrested, charged with felony murder, he's the one who filmed the incident. we have all seen the video by now. at one opponent he got into his car to follow arbery. what do you make about how this unfolded, dramatic dlooecally and quickly even though there have been a couple months between the shooting and the time of the arrests of the father and son and now bryan? >> well, this tells you the accelerated pace which they were
able the determine there was probable cause to make these arrests. imagine the comparison when it took more than 80 days for the official two -- the father and son, gregory mcmichael and travis mcmichael to be arrested. if they were able to have all of this evidence closer in time to the actual killing of ahmaud arbery one would be able you would be able to draw the same conclusions closer to the keim. it tells you there is the need for the department of justice at least in part, resolve, to review the prosecutorial conduct in this case to assess whether there is any bias and undue influence exerted to put a thumb on the scale of justice in favor of mcmichaels, in favor of bryan, and against the best interests of the family of ahmaud arbery. it will be crucial to look at this holistically. but what is true here, they were not buying for whatever reason, the gbi and the prosecutor
handling the case that it was pure coincidence that bryan purely coincidentally was this the area at the time. instead it speaks to the fact that think they rather than coincidence this was someone who was come police it in the crime. like mar contain savage reported you have to wonder this coming so closely at the heels of them searching the home of the mcmichaels, what information did they glean and did that he accelerate the decision to arrest bryan. >> as you put out there are always now on the justice department here in washington to get involved in this case. would you expect the attorney general, bill barr, the take any action? >> you know, this would come down fundamentally to two factors. number one, it depends on what type of crime they are investigating, whether it is the civil rights division looking at perhaps a hate crime. remember, georgia does not have a statute for hate crime prevention. is there evidence to suggest there is a racial motivation or
a profiling that led to the death of ahmaud arbery. many would speculate that is indeed the case. but it is a hard case to prove without sort of a manifesto like you had in the dill an bruce cases and other acts that happened. the other issue is this is a matter of investigating the prosecutors in this case. when talking about potentially prosecutorial misconduct in the handling of the case, in the investigation, or in a way that was contrary to the rights of people to be able to have justice served or at least, you know, soughtafter, that will be an interesting thing to discuss, whether the justice department that i knew it would have looked at a case like this and said if there was a concerted effort by multiple prosecutors to try to cover up a crime of a former, you know, colleague -- if that's what happened, this is ripe for justice department review and
law enforcement out there in the world should be particularly vexed by any instance of a citizen, a civilian trying to usurp the role of them as opposed to calling 911 and getting properly trained police officers in the area to actually inquire and give the runner, the jogger, ahmaud arbery, the human being the benefit of the doubt, the presumption of innocence, and at least the dignity of an investigation. >> all right. our legal analyst laura coates. thank you very much. we will continue our coverage. more on the breaking news. also on the latest developments in the coronavirus pandemic. we'll be right back. you're caring for your family at home or those at work, principal is by your side. we're working hard to answer your questions. like helping you understand what the recently passed economic package can mean for you. we're more than a financial company. we're a "together we can get through anything" company. now, more than ever.
some important things to know about medicare. first, it doesn't pay for everything. say this pizza... [mmm pizza...] is your part b medical expenses. this much - about 80 percent... medicare will pay for. what's left... this slice here... well... that's on you. and that's where an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company comes in. this type of plan helps pay some of what medicare doesn't. and these are the only plans to carry the aarp endorsement. that's because they meet their high standards of quality and service. wanna learn more? it's easy. call unitedhealthcare insurance company now and ask... for this free decision guide. inside you'll find the range of aarp medicare supplement plans and their rates. apply any time, too. oh. speaking of time... about a little over half way and there's more to tell. like, how... with this type of plan, you'll have the freedom to choose any doctor
who accepts medicare patients. great for staying with the one you know... or finding... somebody new, like a specialist. there are no networks and no referrals needed. none. and when you travel, your plan will go with you anywhere in the country. so, if you're in another state visiting the grandkids, stay awhile... enjoy... and know that you'll still be able to see any doctor who accepts medicare patients. so call unitedhealthcare today. they are committed to being there for you. tick, tick, tick, time for a wrap up. a medicare supplement plan helps pay some of what medicare doesn't. you know, the pizza slice. it allows you to choose any doctor, who accepts medicare patients... and these are the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. whew! call unitedhealthcare today and ask for this free decision guide.
this hour we are tracking growing concerns about a potential spike in coronavirus infections and deaths in states that decided to reopen early. joining us, the director for the center for infectious disease research and policy over at the university of minnesota and the lead investigator of policy lab at children's hospital of philadelphia. dr. tashen, your modelling is projecting a spike in cases in places reopening including miami, texas, alabama, the ten and other places. what are you expecting? how bad potentially could the spriks really be? >> we started from the premise that every community in the
united states is experiencing covid-19 differently and we have to account for what makes those counties and areas different. that includes things that don't change in time, such as population deputiesity and crowd, but also factors such as temperature and the degree to which individuals in every community adhere to social distancing. and while overall the models indicate that the risk for resurgence is really quite low, when you look in particular areas in the country, wolf, especially those areas that you mentioned, southeast florida, areas in texas, the risk for resurgence is quite high. on the other hand in certain areas such as colorado they are looking quite good. >> michaelos ehrhoff, at the same time you released a report showing the coronavirus testing alone isn't accurate enough to guide reopening right now. tell us why. >> first of all we have to understand that no one really has used testing to determine how to reopen or not reopen with any real meaningful we talk
about it but they don't. what our report really was at is that the testing, testing, testing mantra has ab abandoned. testing a critical but we need smart testing we need to test the right people at the right time to get the right results and the right outcome. we are doing helter skeld skelter testing. that's not what we need to target where the pandemic is going and what we need to do about it. >> dr. tash ertashin, you point colorado was one of the first states reopening but they seem to be doing well. what are the takeaways for the governors watching the life and death decisions they are making right now? >> i think the take home message is you can reopen, but you must do so cashesly, carefully, and thoughtfully. and that if you look at areas in your state, identify the areas where the incident rate or the
number of new cases over the last few weeks has gone down and the number of cases per day is low. those are the areas in which you might reopen safely. however, if you have a large number of circulating cases in the community and you open too quickly, that's all fuel for the fire, especially as individuals return to those behaviors before the outbreak happened. and that's really where we see that trifecta of a large number of circulating cases, opening up quickly, and then going back to those behaviors such as going to non-essential businesses that can really fuel a resurgence. >> so concerning. i know you have concerns about the data being used to make all these decisions. these are critical decisions on reopening. what are the potential flaws that you see? >> first of all we don't want to test everybody. you know, and we asked withy sutton why he robbed banks. he said that's where the money is. the point is, we ought to be
testing people who are sick, coming forward with signs and symptoms. and everyone in every state should be able to be tested the day they need that kind of test. that's when we are going to learn are we seeing more infected people? are we not? is the number growing? are we seeing cases in places where we had previously had low transmission. then we want to test in place where is we have outbreaks potentially growing. right there, that will give us a great deal of information about are things going up or down. >>. that needs to be a priority. >> thank you for your expertise. appreciate it very much my meanwhile, the census bureau here in the united states says almost half of american adults are in households that have already lost employment income during this pandemic with 10% of adults reporting difficulties
getting enough to simply put food on the table and eat. joining us, the founder of world central kitchen who is serving fooels meals to those in need during that pandemic. jose thank you for joining us. a new census survey 47% of households have lost employment income since march. i've spoken to researchers who say two in five households of mothers with young children right now do not have enough food. i know you're working hard, you and your colleagues, to feed people in need. but how do we get food from the farms and the restaurants to the families right now so many of them here in the united states of america they are hungry? >> well, this is a situation where we need to take every single tool we have to provide food. i just came back from outside washington, d.c. in maryland,
where we were expecting 500 people to come to meals we were giving them and also m partnership with usda, the new program that usda has brought forward to bring vegetables and fruits and milk and meat. and 3,000 showed up. so the problem we are seeing everywhere is it doesn't matter how much we prepare, the numbers keep increasing. i just came back from new york, from newark, from elizabeth, from bronx, from harlem. and everywhere it doesn't matter how much we prepare for, the lines are always two or three times bigger. so we need everything. we need to make sure that feeding america, the food banks have enough money to cover all the need. we need to make sure there's enough money in the snaps and we come up with creative ways to use the snaps. why can't elderly use it to have food delivered to their home? why we we can't use snaps in
local restaurants? we need to be increasing the amount of deliveries we do through the school lunch program. at the end of the day ngos like what we're doing is covering the blind spots of the system. but in order to make sure this is not a humanitarian crisis we need to have a response to covers 360 all the possible ways we can be delivering food to people in need. >> because lower-income americans, jose, are disproportionately affected by this pandemic. the federal reserve says nearly 40% of americans with income below $40,000 a year are now unemployed and at the same time studies show grocery store prices are on the rise. it's a trouble combination. from your perspective, and i know you're working really hard on this, what's the solution? >> the solution is to make sure we have the support of the federal government to don't stop the -- we saw food being wasted, produce being thrown in the
fields. we are seeing what's happening with the meat industry, that they're having right now a lot of problems. what we need to be doing is in part what world central kitchen has been doing. we have 1800 restaurants that we partnered with them and where every day we are able to deliver more than 300,000 meals a day. this is very smart. right now there's being legislation passed in congress under the heroes act bipartisan where it precisely accomplishes that, to make sure that through fema governors and mayors can activate funds so they can be putting restaurants to work at the same time that we take care of the local problem. it's a smart solution. federal government, local ngos, the local governments, and private sector working together to make sure that through this pandemic nobody will be hungry. stop throwing money at the problem. start investing in the solutions. if we do this for restaurants, you know what happens? the restaurants will start buying again from the meat
producers, from the farmers. all of the sudden the system goes back to normal. in the process of solving a problem we make sure that everybody's covered with food. and before we know, everything is running smoothly. >> in the past nine weeks as you know, jose, 38 1/2 million americans have lost their jobs, filed for unemployment. 2 1/2 million or so lafrt week alone. this crisis is clearly going to get worse and people are going to need your help. they're going it need everyone's help including the federal government to simply eat and feed their children. jose andres, on behalf of all of our viewers, thank you so much for everything you're doing. we'll continue our coverage of all of this. thanks so much. and we'll have much more news right after this.
finally tonight, we remember some of the americans who have died of the coronavirus. valentina blackhorse of arizona was 28 years old. she took pride in her navajo culture, entering and winning local pageants and aspiring to be a leader in her community. her sister says she would do everything she could for her family and was a loving mother to her 1-year-old daughter. we also have a special tribute to wilson roosevelt german. he was a former white house butler who worked for 11 presidents, from eisenhower to obama. michelle obama just issued a statement saying german helped make the white house a home and
went above and beyond for his country. wilson german was 91 years old. may they rest in peace and in a their memories be a blessing. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, reported coronavirus cases are up in parts of the country as the president refuses to set an example, saying he will not wear a mask when he's on camera. what is he afraid of? plus a dire warning tonight. icu beds are running out. one city's struggle that is not letting up. we're going to speak to a critical care doctor who is warning that the patients who are coming in are dying, many of them are young. an employer stugling to compete with unemployment benefits. benefits that actually pay some people more to stay home from work. so how do businesses compete with that? how do you get everybody back? let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, no mask for trump as cases surge. there are now warnings of a resurgence as the unite