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is -- >> we neutralize the antibodies at a reasonable dose. that's the reason why i'm cautiously optimistic about it. >> we're not closing our country. this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. welcome to our viewers in the united states and the around the world. it's 6:00 in new york. the unofficial start of summer is here. it will be a different memorial. many are expected to hit the beaches but scientists warn them to stay far apart. dr. anthony fauci implored americans to wear a mask outside and stay at least six feet away from everyone else. we'll break down more on how you can stay safe this weekend. meanwhile, as the u.s. death toll from coronavirus nears 95,000 people, president trump ordered flags to fly at half-staff to honor those lost
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to the virus. new information about the most likely ways to catch coronavirus, including changes in guidance in some of the ways you might have been most concerned about and new concern about some areas in the south that might be showing spikes in cases since reopening. the mayor of montgomery, alabama, says his city has one intensive care unit bed left. let's begin our coverage with rosa flores live in delray beach, florida. where the beaches are open this weekend. >> reporter: you're absolutely right, john. good morning. memorial day is here and millions of americans are expected to hit parks and beaches like the one where i am. but scientists are urging caution. miami was one of the last cities in florida to begin reopening. but it could be one of the first to experience a second wave of coronavirus according to a model by the children's hospital of philadelphia and the university of pennsylvania monitoring social distancing practices.
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>> the value of our forecast is that there's still time to modify behavior. if you wait too long, then the risk for some of this resurgence and this spike in cases becomes even higher. other cities on high alert include houston and dallas and much of alabama where the mayor of montgomery says the situation is already dire. >> the icu beds are almost at capacity level. and we're in a place that is manageable but not sustainable. we thought we needed to remind our community that this pandemic is not over. >> but alabama governor kay ivy eased restrictions on her safer at home order. >> if things get worse, i certainly hope and pray they don't, going to continue putting personal responsibility on each and every individual citizen. >> opening the door to allow camps and child care facilities to open this weekend and schools to open june 1st. in new york, governor andrew
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cuomo moved summer school online and has yet to make a decision about opening camps. >> if i won't send my children to day camp, i wouldn't ask anybody else to send their children to day camp. >> with so many students academic years abruptly changed by the pandemic, the university of california system will no longer owe until 2024. at orlando's themed resorts, shoppers returning to disney springs and university orlando proposing to welcome back to parks in early june. you'll need a temperature check and wear a mask to enter. >> this will be a gradual capacity managed opening. >> they can explore the jersey shofr with some restrictions. at the beaches in los angeles, you can surf, swim or exercise. at sun city, officials anticipate more residents spending time outside. seattle and new york city will close down some streets to make way for pedestrians and
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cyclists. dr. anthony fauci says it's okay to enjoy time outdoors smartly and safer. >> go out, wear a mask, stay six feet away from anyone so you have the physical cal distancing and go out. >> in michigan, a lawsuit against gretchen bhit mer's use of powers to extend the state of emergency. >> we can stay focused on epidemiology and the public health expert's use as we continue to reengage sectors of our economy. >> reporter: fou here in florida, most beaches are open except for miami-dade and broward counties. here in delray beach where i am in palm beach county, beaches reopened on monday and alisyn, they're supposed to be open from 9:00 to 6:00 p.m. we've seen gruoups of people ths morning already. >> people are eager to go to the beach. thank you very much with that
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beautiful backdrop you have there. let's talk about going to the beach. as rosa said, beaches in a number of states are open for the holiday weekend, including the best beaches in the world, the jersey shore. joining me is the mayor of point pleasant beach. mayor, born and bred jersey girl here. let's talk about what -- >> great to see you, alisyn. >> let's talk about point pleasant beach. is it true that the lifeguards will be wearing face coverings or masks? >> so, right. when people get on the beach, it's going to be a different experience from the very start. the lifeguards will be one up, one down in the lifeguard stand. they're going to have bandanas around their neck to pull up if they need to interact with the public very quickly. even their gear will be different. the bags they use for resuscitation will have specialized helpa filters. they'll have ppe equipment, gowns, masks, gloves in case
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they need to react to a situation on the beach quickly. >> that's interesting. is it true that you enlisted the help of a town engineer to figure out exactly how many families your beach can accommodate and where they should sit? >> so we've tried to take every single detail into account here in point pleasant beach. we want to be known as the safe destination in july and august and the vital months here. we brought our town engineer in to take a look at the space in between the high watermark and the base of the dune so they could map out and figure out how many groups, how many rough participants we could have up there and maintain the six-foot radius. it's not marked out on the beach, but we have a number we're working with. when we reach capacity, we'll cut things off. that will no longer be safe. >> other beaches in new jersey are taking different tasks. seaside heights, for instance, another beach town, is banning beach chairs, blankets and swimming. no swimming in seaside heights until july.
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no swimming in cape may. how does that make sense? >> well, i think what you're seeing is up and down the coast of new jersey and across the country, a one size fits all solution does not work. every single municipality has a lot of different realities, some beaches are privately owned, some publicly owned. different size police forces are managing those. there's different numbers of access points on our boardwalk here in point pleasant beach. we have 30 different access points. normally behind me, it would be absolutely packed right now at 6:00 a.m. for summer memorial day weekend concert. i think that shows the stark difference in memorial day weekend from the normal. >> what is the status of those shops behind you? will the boardwalk and restaurants be open? >> so we're taking a very slow and methodical approach here like in the planning of the beach with the lifeguards, with the numbers, the capacity. things along those lines. the beaches on the southern half of town are open right now.
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they're open for all sorts of recreating. lifeguards starting tomorrow, actually. if you want to go swimming, you'll be able to swim, if you want to walk, run, lie on the beach and sunbathe, you're able to do that. our boardwalk here is a little narrower. we're giving ourselves a couple more weeks while we get more resources available to manage things appropriately and give people that safe experience they expect from point pleasant beach. >> very quickly. what's people's comfort level? are you seeing a huge demand for rentals already? >> we actually think that july and august are going to be absolutely slammed here, which is why we're trying to put the pieces in place properly right now. i think after everybody has been cooped up for so long and they see good weather on the horizon, they know that the transmission rates outside are much lower than inside. they're going to feel safe on the beaches here. we're expecting a deluge of vacation rentals, of hotel rooms getting booked. if you're planning to come here,
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get ready right now. >> duly noted, mayor, best of luck this weekend going forward. we'll be watching. >> thanks, alisyn. john, i think you need to recuse yourself from new jersey stories. >> i thought about that. i'm not sure my objectivity is at its fullest. >> also, i want to see -- i'm not convinced. i'm a new jersey birther with you. we'll get to that. >> i have photos i'll show you. >> how can you stay safe this weekend. joining me now is dr. colleen kraft at emery university hospital. here's your chance to speak to america to tell them if they are going to go out this holiday weekend, how to do it safely. what's the one or two things people should do? >> we need to -- good morning. we need to do the things that we've been talking about for all this time, right? we need to maintain social distancing, we need to work on our own hand and face hygiene.
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if we are around people that are coughing or sneezing, avoid them. so these are the things that we've been talking about throughout the pandemic. those should not change just because the weather is nice and the new jersey beaches are open. >> right. the virus is not taking a holiday. be as vigilant as you have been. i want to ask you about a couple developments that percolated over the last few hours. concern about hotspots in the south. there have been models that have suggested spikes in some of the cities and we're actually seeing it in certain places. let's talk about alabama. montgomery, alabama, the mayor is down to one icu bed. one. sending people to birmingham, more than an hour away. birmingham has seen a spike in cases. what's the concern there? >> the main concern is that as we reopen the country and reopen different areas, we can support individuals at their sickest in our health care system. so i think that we need to become as a nation a little bit
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more regionalized instead of just state resources. i think what we will start to see is how we capitalize on the region. for instance, i'm in atlanta and we can definitely interact, intersect with other areas with one or two resources. again, if we have limited resources bringing our patients to other places if possible. >> does the fact that one icu bed in montgomery indicate to you that perhaps the level of reopening has been too rapid in that area? >> i think it's difficult to tell just because one icu bed today may be a few more tomorrow. these numbers change quite a bit day-to-day as somebody that follows this in her own hospital. i think that it's definitely a cautionary tale. as we've said before and i've said on your program before, we need to continue to try to protect ourselves and to take this seriously as we reopen the
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state. even though we want our economic engine to continue, we want to make sure we're safe. >> the cdc came out with new numbers last night. it was interesting. it has to do with the estimates of cases in different ways. 35% of coronavirus infections, they say, are asymptomatic. 35% asymptomatic. 40% of trans mipgss occur before a person feels sick. 4% -- this is the important one here. the mortality rate here, the mortality rate they're measuring is .4% of people who get sick from covid will die. 1.3% for people over 65. what's your assessment of these numbers? >> so the asymptomatic number is quite surprising to me. because if you remember at the beginning of the outbreak, we thought that the majority of cases were asymptomatic. i think as we do more robust testing across the united states, we'll be able to see the
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numbers will probably change again. the case fatality rate or the mortality rate is the one that we're focused on. that really has dropped dramatically since the 3% or 4% we are seeing. this really has to do with testing at a larger denominator. so this is now drawing it more towards a bad case of flu rather than the severe coronavirus infections we know about such as sars. >> .4% is much lower than the initial concern, if it is in fact that. that's the lower end of estimates we've seen. other bits of news from the cdc overnight, before last night, they put out guidance about transmission of coronavirus. they say it is person to person mostly. person to person through the air. they deemphasize the concern about surfaces, about the idea of catching it from surfaces. how are we supposed to assess this? >> i think this is a difficult one to navigate from a personal standpoint. as somebody who works in the
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hospital, i'm not going to be less concerned about high touch areas that have a lot of individuals coming in contact with them, such as elevator buttons, door handles, counter surfaces or keyboards or cell phones. all of those things remain areas that are used frequently by potentially a number of people and should be considered suspect. i think some of the recommendation is to get people from using their lysol wipes to wipe down groceries after grocery shopping, i suspect it's more towards that end. i would say if you're still in an area that's highly used, highly public and you haven't cleaned that surface, i think you should still be concerned that you could get a virus infections, much like all vierts virus infections. >> thank you so much. have a healthy and safe weekend. the man who recorded the video of the murder of arbery is
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developing overnight, georgia officials have arrested the man who recorded this video of the fatal shooting of ahmaud arbery. william brian jr. is being charged with felony murder and criminal threat to commit false imprisonme imprisonment. he'll be booked in the same jail as travis and -- the father and son accused of shooting and killing arbery. cnn could not reach his attorney for comment. the arbery family attorney has believed that brian was involved and are relieved to hear of his arrest. also developing this morning, new details about the terror-related shooting at a naval air station in corpus christi, texas that we told you about yesterday morning. the shooter has been identified as 20-year-old adam al saah hi.
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a u.s. born -- a u.s. resident born in syria. they've identified social media accounts belonging to the shooter. sources say this man shot a security guard in the chest hitting her bulletproof vest before charging the gate. he was then shot and killed by naval security forces. the incident comes days after the fbi announced the shooter at a naval air station in pensacola last year had communicated with al qaeda. pastors in california defying a state order while gyms in south florida are closed days after reopening. cnn's reporters are around the country and have all the developments for you. >> reporter: i'm dan simon in san francisco. more than 1200 pastors have signed a petition saying that they will resume in-person services beginning may 31st. that would be in defiance of the current stay-at-home order. the pastors say the restrictions go too far and that churches should be considered essential.
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under governor newsom's plan churches would be allowed to reopen under phase 3. right now the state is in the phase 2 and no word on what he may do once those churches reopen. >> reporter: i'm randi kaye, the mayor of ft. lauderdale is closing all gyms and fitness centers after they opened days ago. they have been closed for months and losing lots of money. they've been in somewhat of a standoff with county officials. now they're closed again. >> reporter: i'm diane gallagher in atlanta. 570 employees of the tyson foods wilkes borrow, north carolina poultry plant tested positive for covid-19. about 25% of the 2200 employees tested. most of the tests took place at a three-day on site testing event in early may and any employee who tested positive received paid time off and also can't return to work until they've met tyson and cdc standards. the plant resumed operations on tuesday after operating in a
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limited capacity for the past week. >> reporter: i'm jason carroll in new york city. new york is looking for ways to reopen. cardinal timothy dolan announced how the parishes will reopen in the copping weeks. it's a face forward plan. the cardinal says it's based on cdc and state guidelines and that it will happen in phases. some of the changes to expect in the beginning, no distribution of holy communion, holy water and baptismal box will be empty. in addition to that x parishioners have to wear masks and practice social distancing. governor cuomo already announced that the state will permit religious gatherings of up to ten people. thanks to our correspondents. we're getting in some breaking news about a commercial plane crash in pakistan. we have details for you, next. this is to all who are putting their
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this is cnn breaking news. a commercial plane crashed in karachi, pakistan. the aviation ministry says the flight had 99 passengers and eight crew members on board. the flight took off from lahore before dropping off radar. it was scheduled to land in karachi. we'll bring you an update as soon as we get it. john, back here in the u.s., president trump is explaining why he broke the law and refused to wear a mask during his public tour of a ford plant in michigan. >> i had one on before. i wore one in this back area. but i didn't want to give the press the pleasure of seeing it. i had it in the back area. i did put a mask on. >> for some reason the president did wear a mask in private as cnn pictured from the detroit free press and then he took it
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off once he was in front of the cameras. why did he want to publicly break the law? >> joining us now susan -- global affairs analyst and staff writer at the new yorker. riddle us this, susan. i don't understand the logic. why was he breaking the law brazenly in public but then in private he put on a mask? >> you know, it's very interesting. this has been my kneery of the case for weeks now. trump a notorious germophobe, why has he exer exhibited this risky public behavior when by all accounts even predating his presidency and this pandemic he was privately known to use hand sanitizer and keep away from people. i think he just said the quiet part out loud again, alisyn. he said basically a combination of vanity and press hating is driving his public actions at a time when we know that his modeling behavior certainly affects his followers and what
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they're willing to do or not do. people are astonished at the politicization of mask wearing that has been the american facet of this pandemic. it's not something that is present in most other places in the world. >> as for your theory of the case, it plays into what you have just written in a new column in the new yorker, which is that what the president has been doing on many fronts over the last weeks, frankly since this all began was distraction. was to draw focus to anything other than the fact that nearly 95,000 americans have died in this pandemic. >> well, that's right. you know, he's mask proliferating reasons for us not to talk about the escalating death toll in the united states or the fact that the united states is first in the world in both cases, which he recently said was good news because it was proof of extensive testing and also unfortunately, first in the world of death. this wrangling, i think, here in washington is symbolic over
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whether or not even to lower the flag in honor of all those people who have died so far were expected to pass, 100,000 dead over memorial day weekend. it's grimly symbolic, right? up until now, president trump refused to lower the flag even though in states like new york or new jersey individual governors have done so. yesterday the two democratic leaders in congress sent him a letter urging him to do so and finally late last night trump's white house put out a statement saying they would lower the flags this weekend only in tribute to the coronavirus victims. how is that a partisan political matter? honestly, i've never seen anything like this. >> susan, let's talk about a huge story out of china. china's president, the administration is signaling that they will crackdown harder than they have on the hong kong protesters. what does that mean? >> well, look, one of the other
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aspects of this public health cris crisis, international crisis, like with all crises, it's an opportunity that many authoritarian regimes seized. you saw that in hungary in the course of this pandemic when there were new restrictive laws put into place. you've seen it in other countries around the world. i think xi jinping gave a speech recently in which he explicitly said this crisis may be an tune for china. we know that's been the agenda of the leaders in beijing for a long time. what's striking is the speed with which they are using this moment to do so. i think people did not necessarily expect them to take this action so quickly and dramatically. but what i've heard from journalist force this is beijing, it's striking, which is a sense on the part of chinese leaders that they almost feel like president trump has handed them an opportunity that after
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their own initial botched handling and everyone agrees internationally that china did not handle this well initially and refused to share information and yet, now of course the spotlight has shifted. the united states and its failure to control the pandemic in the early stages when it might not have led to such a terrible consequence. so now you see china even more empowered perhaps than it might have been a couple months ago. >> look, china and president xi trying to expert unprecedented control over hong kong. now the question, we don't know the answer yet, what will president trump do or say about this specifically about president xi. susan glasser, great to have you on. stay safe this weekend. >> thank you so much. coronavirus cases skyrocketing in latin america. so what does this mean for the global efforts? what does it mean for the united states and its efforts to contain the pandemic? that's next.
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for the third day in a row, latin america reported more new coronavirus cases than either the united states or europe.
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the spike is driven by growing numbers in brazil, peru and mexico. in the last 24 hours, brazil reported a record high death toll. what does this mean for fighting the global pandemic? joining us now is the direction tosh and clinical professor at the university of hong kong school of public health. he's a former assistant latin general at the world health organization. great to have you here. so this week, the w.h.o. recorded the highest one-day total worldwide. so deaths are going up worldwide, cases going up worldwide. i mean, we're five months into this. what's going on? >> i think it's pretty clear what's going on. while we're doing better in some locations than -- we're clearly having growth in other locations. so as you mentioned, in latin america, mexico, brazil, other places and other countries like
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russia, but places like pakistan and others, we're seeing increases in cases. i think the numbers which w.h.o. read off yesterday, it's just a reminder that we don't have the situation under control and particularly in many of the poorer areas of the world, it's really spiraling upward. >> i want to show that graph again of what's going on in brazil and peru and mexico. the other graph that actually shows the lines trending upward. right there the top line that you see going up in a striking steep way is brazil. so what are they doing more wrong than other places? >> well, i think one of the things we've seen is that no matter where a country starts off, a lot depends on how the government is approaching the
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activity in the country and whether population is responding. there are different measures which governments can put in place, but it really takes dedication, persistence and commitment and it takes trust on the part of the population. and in some locations, we don't have those combinations. i think -- i mean, in brazil, we're seeing it move up very high. >> basically you're saying that brazil's president has not taken it seriously enough. >> you know, it's not just up to one person. but certainly, the president in the country articulates and voices what the country should be doing. >> look, i mean, it's just unfortunate, obviously, with deadly consequences because we have learned stuff in the past five months about how to attempt to control it and so seeing the w.h.o. say that worldwide we're having the biggest day total
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yet, it just feels like we're going in the wrong direction. >> well, you know, it's also reflection that we have so many cases in the world right now. it's the nature of infectious diseases that if it's not under control, then it means it's getting bigger. once we get to a certain size, we see these bigger and bigger jumps in numbers. unfortunately, it's where we are in the world right now. it just means that we have extensive threat. >> as you know, president trump is angry with the w.h.o. he blames the w.h.o. in part for america's numbers. the death toll here and the cases here. he has threatened to pull funding and threatened to pull the united states membership. he sent a letter to the director general this week. he says it is clear the repeated missteps by you and your organization in responding to the pandemic have been extremely possibly for the world, the only way forward for the world health
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organization is if it can demonstrate independence from china. the w.h.o. has not yet responded to that. if you were still at the w.h.o., what would be going on behind the scenes. do you believe that a response is necessary? >> well, clearly, the united states is an important player at the global stage. of course, w.h.o. is going to take the letter coming from president trump very seriously, take a look at it, but think, like all countries are probably hoping that this administration does not follow through with that. it would have major consequences for the world. and it would have major consequences for the united states itself. >> how? what would the consequence for the united states be? >> well, i think that it's very clear -- we've learned over decades with major outbreaks that no country can handle them on their own.
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this includes the united states. it's the basic reason why countries have agreed to provide alerts to each other, to share information, to share diagnostics, to share insights with each other and it's also the basic reason why global health security, this idea that countries should band together when facing a common threat like a pandemic, has received bipartisan support in washington. both the republicans and democrats consistently have supported this because it works. it's an idea which is needed. it works. there is no good alternative. w.h.o. is the hub of the system. if you weaken the system, the hub, you're going to weaken all of the other countries. and so these are major implications. and the u.s. does not escape from those implications. the u.s. depends on the cooperation and the information coming from others as much as any other country. so it, too, will be made more
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the same golf course this sunday afternoon. the trash talk started right away between the four. brady posting this picture to instagram. phil won the inaugural match over tiger back in 2018. brady says he's confident he'll help phil defend his title against tiger and peyton. >> my golf isn't quite what it was at one point. i got a good partner. >> i would have loved to have this tournament in a place where they don't like tom very much, indianapolis, denver, boston after he betrayed them and broke their hearts. >> this is the trophy for the match. i don't know how you know what it looks like. you might have caught a glimpse. that's actually what the trophy looks like had you won. >> understood. >> hold on one second. i got out of the ice bath. i'm a little chilly. put this green jacket on here. >> brady joked that bleacher report adam lesko.
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i think we will. i think we're going to be helping people out. we're going to be getting money for them during the artificial -- because it is an artificial closure. i would say there could be one more nice shot. >> president trump telling reporters he thinks there will be another round of economic relief. but he is refusing to offer specifics saying the details will be announced at the appropriate time. joining me now christine romans and julia chatterley. romans, we'll get to relief in a moment. first, we're getting breaking news about just how much in need people are, a sense of how many people might be defaulting or short on their mortgage and credit card payments. >> millions of people can't scrape together the money to pay for the really important things that are the cornerstone of your
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kitchen table economics. we know that 14.7 million, almost 15 million credits cards in financial hardship programs. that is a record high. that means, people are working with their lenders to pause their bills or have a grace period to pay bills. on auto loans, almost 3 million in hardship programs because they can't get the money together. we look at mortgages, this is brand new information that 9% of all mortgages are in these forbearance plans. that's 4.75 million homeowners. that's a trillion dollars of unpaid principal balance sitting there. these are people who told their lenders, hey, i can't manage this right now. some of those people are not paying their may bills, one in five not paying their may mortgage payments. it gives you kind of a fine point on the damage that's happening to american families and they're really important economics. >> see how people's lives have been changed, julia. in a sense this trickles up into
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the larger areas of the economy, when people can't pay their bills, which gets to the need for this relief package. now the president says he thinks there will be a new round of relief. but what's different between what he might be willing to sign and what democrats and the house have already passed with their $3 trillion plan? >> this is a great point. even the treasury secretary said yesterday a strong likelihood of more stimulus being needed and it is. but we then have the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell saying look, we need to prevent the lawyer vultures to get at businesses and try to stop the $600 bump up payment that was seen oon a weekly basis for insurance, unemployment insurance. there is perhaps an effect that 38 state have people earning equal to or more on average than before. switching that off, when you have millions of people claiming. structure that in some way to get people back into the
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workforce is the answer. not just turning it off. they've got to meet in the middle on that, i think. quickly, the other thing that treasury secretary said. despite partisan support to give small businesses between 10 and 12 weeks to spend the money, not the current eight weeks to beat bills and try to hire workers that they've got right now. it's not enough. the democrats are fighting for 24 weeks. they need to at least meet in the middle. >>. >> the senate couldn't get the job done yesterday. they left without reaching a deal. they had a chance to get something done. they didn't. christine reromans. i'm curious if we're seeing jobs reemerging or economies percolating again now that some of the stay-at-home orders have been relaxed. >> i feel like, john, we're trying to put in rock bottom in this economy. when you look at continuing jobless claims, those grew by 2.5 million. 25 million people are getting
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jobless benefits right now. that's unbelievable. that's not showing any signs of moving lower yet. when we see that start to turn, i think that will be an important sort of leading indicator about where we're going to go. right now the beginning of may feels as terrible as the end of april. i'm hoping we're putting in the bottom here. one of the issues is, especially for small business, you know, they're having trouble rehiring people because they don't know when they're going to open robustly, right? they still have to find the money to pay for ppe for their employees. they have to put in dividers and change social distancing, physical distancing in their stores, physical locations. they've got a lot of expenses right now to manage before they're ready to really even try to get back to some sort of normality. >> and the uncertainty of what happens when and if people get sick again. there have been few answers as far as that goes. christine and julia, thank you very much for being with us. more breaking news about a
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commercial aircraft that crashed in pakistan. "new day" continues right now. > . >> announcer: this is breaking news. welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." we do have breaking news. word just in that a pakistan international airlines flight with more than 100 people on board crashed in a city of karachi. we're just getting new video from the scene. this is the first time we've had a chance to look at this. wow. it shows buildings on fire. you can see the impact of where this plane landed or crashed. officials say the flight was headed from la more to karachi when it vanished off radar before it was scheduled to land. >> cnn reporter joins us with the breaking details. i know it's early, what have you learned sophia. >> reporter: well, alisyn, we know that this happened just a little earlier this afternoon. the flight took off from the
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city of lahore to karachi which is the most populated city of the country. flights hadn't been running in pakistan for 2 1/2 months. it's only recently that pakistan's national airline had each resumed flights. they were running at a limited flight schedule. so the amount of passengers from what we've been told by the aviation ministry, there were about 99 passengers and eight crew on this flight. from what we've learned so far, that the flight crashed in a residential area. very close to the airport. i've been there. it's an extremely packed area. there are a lot of closely built apartments. the death toll has not been confirmed yet. it would include people on the ground. there is a lot of chaos in the city as of right now. a lot of confusion to kind of understand what's happened. you have to understan

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