tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN June 25, 2020 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in the sich sich room. you can follow me on twitter and instagram @wolf blitzer. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outfront next, surges record coronavirus numbers across the country, hospitalizations spiking in key states. where is the president. texas halting reopening, hospitalizations and deaths skyrocketing there. 18 member of one family testing positive after a surprise birthday party. and what could be the political upset of the year, one of the most powerful in congress, the vote count coming in. eliot engel's challengier is my best. good evening i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, failure of leadership. on a day when the ub in of odeaths in the united states tops 122,000, 31 states are
seeing increase in infections. the president not leading on this. today the only tweet was this tired claim, cases go up because of great testing, in caps. of course this puts us in the position of having to explain again that that is not the reason that cases are going up. and we could show that to you many ways, but i'll stick with this one. at least 7 states are seeing record hospitalizations this week according to "the washington post." obviously that's not because of testing. take california alone, hospitalizations there up a third, 32%, in just the past two weeks because of coronavirus. that's not because of testing, right? in texas they're stopping elective surgeries because they need to have more space for people coming in the hospital because of coronavirus. what is true is from the start of the pandemic the president has not offered clear, concise leadership. we've been a broken record here. he won't wear masks when masks save lives.
he wants to cut funding in testing sites of states that are seeing a spike in cases. even staunch allies are begging him not to do it in texas. that's what the president has been doing. he's spent the past five months down playing the pandemic. >> we have it totally under control. it's one person coming in from china, and we have it under control. it's going to be just fine. looks like by april, in theory, when it gets a little bit warmer, it miraculously goes away. just stay calm. it's going to go away. it's going to go away. eventually it will be gone. it's going to be good. it's gone away. >> according to a government watchdog report, trump's administration was unprepared at several points, testing a big failure there, ppe, and dealing with the economic fallout. the way they wanted to deal with that was reopen everything.
now you see states like texas closing. today we learned that dead people got more than $1 billion in stimulus checks and the cdc is warning the real number of confirmed coronavirus cases can be more than 20 million, ten times what is known right now. the country needs a president with a plan, to fight the virus and keep the economy open. not to deny reality. the trump of the past by the way had absolutely no problem calling out failed leadership when he ksaw it. >> you know, our country is going to hell. we must stop it. we need leadership. >> the trump of today feed hads to change courts. but that involves the basic, basic thing. let's start with wearing a mask, something that he is scared and ashamed to do. kaitlan collins is live outfront the white house. what are you learning about what's going on behind the scenes? >> reporter: it's not that they're not aware of the numbers. they had a task force feeting on
the day you saw the highing case numbers since april. they're aware of where the outbreaks are. basically what we've heard from sources is they're look at the glass half full as opposed to half empty and you're only seeing the administration officials focus on that, talking about the outbreaks, larry kudlow saying he does not believe there are going to be widespread shutdowns because of the outbreaks and down playing them as the president himself is trying to put the coronavirus behind him by returning to a normal presidential schedule, welcoming a first foreign leader here at the white house, yesterday visiting a battleground state, today basically trying to resume a schedule he would have if there wasn't a pandemic happening. and the fallout is continuing tonight though. they learned today that campaign staffers are in quarantine now after that rally on saturday. the president spent the day in wisconsin where he is trailing to joe biden in several major polls. and one thing we should note as we're looking at these poll numbers coming in is several of them in multiple different ones, cnn, fox news, new york times
have shown that voters do not approve of the way the president has hand med the coronavirus outbreak so far. it's not really comfortable territory for him if you talk to heme people who know the president well. tod a lot of people say that's why he's focusing on fights over monuments and confederate statues because being in that cultural war territory is much more comfortable for him than it is to deal with the pandemic that he does want to go away, that he believes is dying out although the numbers are showing otherwise. >> i want to go to dr. sanjay gupta and dr. jonathan reiner who advised the white house medical team under president george w. bush. so, sanjay, how did this happen? and of course i will point out it is not happening where it happened before, as in where you have the original epicenter of new york is not where you're seeing this. new york is only just starting to reopen. but when it comes to cases across the country, the total, we're back to where we were
months ago. >> yeah, i think that there's places that closed too late that have been opening too early and now we're getting a sense that there was a lot of virus spreading much earlier than we realize. so, i think we're getting better glimpse of how significant the problem is. at the same time we haven't had enough testing. we don't have enough contact tracers to be able to handle what is needed to actually find people and quarantine them so the virus transmission starts to slow down and we're having this silly debate about masks, public health 101 stuff here. i'll tell you this, erin, i think if you look at the map it's concerning. there are a lot of bright red places. you have significant increases. we're the united states of america. you have to worry about other places that have had drops the in overall infection rates because people are still moving around back and forth. we have to deal with this as a country, not in this sourt of piecemeal passion. >> and even when you look at places where the numbers have
fallen dramatically, take new york, the most populous city in the country, even there where a lot more people have had it than anywhere else, it's nowhere close to herd immunity. it could happen again in new york what happened as it reopens. and i hope people realize that. i mean, dr. reiner, my colleague pointed out today that it was 156 days ago -- 156 days ago -- that the president declared of coronavir coronavirus, we have it totally under control. and he's been saying that basically ever since, right? 15 cases going to zero. you know, reopen, reopen, reopen. and yet here we are with our case count back to where it was at the peak. >> yeah, unfortunately magical thinking is not an effective strategy. 150 days ago the president had an opportunity to lead. ronald reagan once said that the greatest leaders aren't necessarily the ones who do the greatest things but the ones who get the people to do the great
things. he had an opportunity to do that. he had an opportunity to tell the country we'll have to do hard things. we would shut down for as long as we had to, that we would open carefully, that we would test like crazy and continue to ramp that up, and that we would all wear masks when we go out in public. if he had done all of that, we would be in a much different place. we would be where the european union vieright now. instead the president focused on himself. he saw the pandemic as a threat to himself and a threat to his re-election and he's tried to wish it away. it won't go away. we str to put it away. we have to do difficult things. and we need leadership that gets behind it. americans have done hard things before. we'll do it again. we just need a leader who leads the way. >> what are your view on the charts. you see the big charges and then the plunge. you see that in european country
after european country, also in asia, but europe more recently. what accounts for that given that europe is reopening now. they've got hotspots, but they are reopening. and yet here in the u.s. we're reopening and yet the numbers didn't come down. >> that's right. well, i think it's just like dr. reiner was saying. by the way, i think he would be a great leader of a task force of some sort, i'll be honest with you. but that aside, i think it's because they stuck with the plan in the european union. this isn't that hard. we're not building a rocket ship skpending it to space. all we're trying to do is basically say let cases come down for 14 days before you start to reopen. why is that important? it's important because you get the case numbers low enough where you can start to get your arms around. you can find the people who are infected. you can contact trace and then, you know, slow down the transmission of this virus. right now it would be hard to contact trace in this country because there's too many new infections a day.
can you imagine 30,000 new people a day would have to be contact traced. that's like picking up the phone calling to people, going to people's houses, knocking on the door. it's la bores you work. there's no way we could do it right now. that's what they did in the eu and many places in asia. it works. >> so, a new report, basically talking about how unprepared the u.s. government was to tackle the coronavirus on so many levels, testing, ppe at hospitals. has the response improved enough since then? i mean, i understand we're still not where we should be. has it improved enough? >> well, it certainly improved. and sanjay speaks about this all the time. even though we're doing about a half a million tests per day, there are many groups, the harvard group among them, who thinks we need to be doing maybe ten times that amount every single day. testing is not overrated as the president said, it's essential.
i'm worried about ppe. i would like to know what we have in the national strategic stock pile. i want to know what our reservoir of n95 masks is. have we increased u.s. production of this? there's a lot that we learned from the early months of this, and i don't want to repeat the same mistakes. >> and sanjay, when you look at the cdc saying it's ten times more than we knew, that still puts the death rate at -- right now that would just be implied death rate of .6 of 1%. by the way, we know deaths are undercounted. so, .6 of 1%. that's three times higher than the flu or maybe even six times higher than the flu. >> that's right. if you look at the numbers now in calculating, around 5% is the death rate. we don't know the death rate to your point because we don't know the true numbers of either one of these things because of the lack of testing. it's interesting what is the right number of tests? everyone's going to throw a
number at that. harvard as jonathan mentioned said 5 million tests a day. let's give these young people the benefit of the doubt for a second and say if they were able to get tested regularly and have some idea of whether or not they had the virus, they came back positive, maybe they would have stayed home, right? they didn't know. they thought they were invulnerable and now they've created this forest fire of infections. that could have been addressed pretty well by having widely available accurate tests and we just didn't get there. >> all right. thank you both as always. and dr. sanjay gupta will be back in less than an hour for cnn's coronavirus town hall starting at 8:00 eastern. as you can see, bill gates will be his guest. outfront next, l.a. county has the most cases in the county now. i'm going to talk to the top health official. cdc warning about young people contracting coronavirus. >> you think they would have
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warning he may have to do that. outfront is nick watt. >> reporter: partiers packed this bar saturday night but the reopening is on hold as case count climbs at record rates and hospitals fill up. >> if this acceleration continues unabated we're going to find ourselves overwhelmed. >> nevada, california, and louisiana also pumping the breaks on reopening. >> i think these numbers made crystal clear the correctness of the decision not to move forward. >> reporter: in california, disneyland now won't reopened july 17th as planned. >> that is an example of the data informing decision making. >> reporter: california and florida along with texas are reporting record high new case counts. so, our three most populous states are going in the wrong direction fast. and they're home to more than a quarter of all americans. >> and we've seen most of this case growth in those under 40
category. >> a focus now in efforts to staunch the spread younger asymptomatic spreaders. >> we're seeing the infection rates especially in texas, florida, and arizona just skyrocket in that demographic. >> reporter: arizona now has the most cases per capita in the entire country. >> there is no considerationover of increasing activity. arizona is on pause. >> reporter: the cdc just added pregnant women to the at-risk demographics. they say just over 5% of women with covid-19 require hospitalization. for pregnant women, that soars to over 30%. they also now say our actual infection rate might be ten times the confirmed cases, so not around 2.4 million but around 24 million. and they say that social distancing is now our most powerful weapon.
>> the time to normalize wearing masks and social distancing behavior is now so that we get used to it by the time the fall arrives. and i'm very concerned that the second wave this fall will be substantially greater than what we have experienced so far. >> reporter: now, of course as we move forward, the number that we've really got to keep an eye on is hospitalizations. how many people with covid-19 are in the hospital? here in california, over just the past two weeks, that number has gone up by a third. and here in los angeles county, which by the way is now the county in this country with the most covid cases, they've noticed the past couple of days that hospitalization rate is climbing which is something that the director of public health here, she called that
extraordinarily worrisome. erin. >> nick, you're now seeing in some of those states that reopened early that the president, of course, was celebrating doing that, things on pause nks right? you just saw there in arizona, ally of the president making it very clear he's not moving forward now. >> reporter: absolutely. listen, there is very little political appetite anywhere to roll things back. that is not going to be a popular decision. in fact, today though we just saw one of the major nurses' unions in this country asking everywhere that has reopened to close down again and work harder. but that is a very hard decision to make. but here in california, the governor, he swears he's going by the data, and he said if it does get bad we will roll back. as you say we've seen polls in texas, polls in arizona, polls easier to do than a roll back.
so, we can expect to see a few more states pausing over the next few weeks as, erin, these numbers just keep on getting worse and worse. >> all right. as you said, you see it on hospitalizations which everyone understands. all right. thank you very much, nick watt. and next, as more americans are getting together, a warning after 18 members of a texas family have all tested positive for coronavirus. plus a top republican refusing to respond to cnn's question about the president using a racist phrase to describe coronavirus. >> every time i come here, you always have those type of questions. trading, and look, it feels like i'm just wasting time. that's why td ameritrade designed a first-of-its-kind, personalized education center. oh. their award-winning content is tailored to fit your investing goals and interests. and it learns with you, so as you become smarter, so do its recommendations. so it's like my streaming service. well except now you're binge learning. see how you can become a smarter investor
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breaking news. texas reporting its highest single day jump in cases, just short of 6,000 new coronavirus cases in the state. this, as texas governor greg abbott urges people to stay home and a top expert warning the state could see apocalyptic numbers. >> reporter: the coronavirus nearly killed christopher marshall. >> i got so sick that it was
acute respiratory distress syndrome with septic shock. >> reporter: the 37-year-old university of north texas graduate student spent weeks at dallas area hospitals. >> you think you would have died? >> i definitely would have died. it got that serious. i'm going home. >> reporter: though doctors saved him, marshall now lives in fear of getting sick again due to the surge in infections across texas. he's rarely leaving his home, struggling with survivor's guilt. >> the hardest part for me initially waking up is seeing how many people died from covid-19 because it's like, why did i live and everybody else died? >> reporter: texas one of the first states to push an aggressive reopening is now seeing new cases and hospitalization rates reaching record highs. >> there is a massive outbreak of covid-19 across the state of texas. >> reporter: so many getting sick that in houston the texas children's hospital is now
admitting adult patients. >> our big metro areas seem to be rising very quickly, and some of the models are on the verge of being apocalyptic. >> reporter: minority communities are bearing the brunt of the pandemic. in dallas, hispanics account for more than 60% of cases. among them, this man in the hospital for 82 days. >> take this covid stuff serious. i wish i never caught it. i wish i never heard of it. but i tell everybody else, take it seriously. >> reporter: the father of six was on a ventilator for more an they month. his brother says he barely survived. >> i was worried about him passing away. >> reporter: bishop greg kelly worries most about undocumented patients, many of whom are essential workers. >> they feel vulnerable because they live in very crowded conditions sometimes. some of them have lost their
homes, some move in, have large families, so social distancing doesn't work. >> reporter: it's not just latinos. health officials say increasing number of infections are among young adults like chris marshall. >> stop thinking that you're so invincible that you're young and that this can not happen to you. it can happen. i'm 37. it happened. >> now, dallas city hospitals are not overwhelmed just yet but city officials are taking no chances. they met today to identify this location as a potential area to set up a pop up field hospital for coronavirus patients if these cases continue to rise. >> i want to go to the former acting director of the cdc under president obama, dr. richard besser. i appreciate your time tonight. as you hear from that report so many new cases in texas now that governor abbott is pausing future reopening plans, asking people to stay home, urging them
to stay home. a doctor top doctor saying we could see apop licalyptic numbe there. how serious is the situation in texas? >> well, erin, i think the situation is texas is a warning shot for a situation that could occur in any state where this isn't being taken seriously enough. part of this coming down to a clash of messages where you hear some political leaders down playing the seriousness of the pandemic, telling people to get back to work, get back to their social lives while every public health leader in the country is saying this is really serious. this is early days in the pandemic. we need to take actions. we need to wear masks and social distance and wash our hands. what we're seeing in texas is a health care system that is in many places on the verge of getting overwhelmed. and we know what that looks like from what happened in new york city. and hopefully the actions that are being taken now aren't too little too late. >> so, you know, we also just
saw that story, that surprise birthday party late last month in northern texas is now being linked to at least 18 cases of coronavirus. just to emphasize how easily this thing spreads when you're in a group. it comes as the cdc director dr. robert redfield said social distancing is the most powerful tool we have. does that party really prove the point? >> yeah, i mean that party is an example of what's seen all over the country, whether it's a gathering at a church or a gathering for a party, choir coming together. these kind of events are what are called super spreader events where for some reasons that are unknown a lot of cases occur from the exposure to one or two people. but it's a sign that we have to take this seriously. and in each place where we're seeing cases going up, we have to support public health to do the work to understand why is it going up? what's happening? in florida we're seeing a lot of
increases in cases because of the activities of young people. so, that has to be targeted. and when you look at who really bears the brunt of this, young people in general will have a lower chance of having severe disease. but they'll put at risk older people. they'll put at risk people who have underlying medical condition. and they put at risk essential workers, millions of people in america who are keeping our stores open, keeping food there for us to buy. a lot of people of color, a lot of low income workers, they've been dying at very high rates during this pandemic. and if we don't take this seriously as we go about more activity, they're the same groups that are going to continue to bear the brunt of this. >> all right. well, thank you very much, dr. besser. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. and next los angeles county leading the nation with the most coronavirus cases as the top health official there is receiving death fronts and she's
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tonight los angeles county now the county in the united states with the highest coronavirus cases in the nation. it comes as the director of the department of health is receiving death threats over the response to the pandemic. outfront director of the los angeles county public of health. california, you were ahead of the curve when you shut down in march. you did it early and reopening carefully. you've now seen the second largest number of daily cases so far. hospitalizations at an all time high. why do you think this is happening? >> thanks a lot for having me, erin, and i really appreciate the korccoverage on covid-19 in general. i think we're experiencing what many counties and states are experiencing. we're reopening. we have a lot more people back at work. we have a lot more people out
and about. we've seen a significant increase in many places in ung whier people testing positive for covid-19. and that's translated to going from about 1,200 cases a day to about 1,900 cases a day. hospitalizations also are now up from about 1,400 people being in the hospital any given day the to about 1,600 people being in the hospital any given day. and i think as we had anticipated with more people out, we would have seen the increase. i think the increase has happened much quicker than we thought it would. >> so, i know that you have -- as you have been trying to handle this -- received numerous death threats from people upset about the restrictions placed on them during the pandemic. it's just awful. and i'm sure it's deeply upsetting to you. what kinds of messages are you getting? what are people angry about?
>> i mean, i want to say, you know, i really appreciate how devastating the impact of this pandemic has been on so many different people and how angry people are. >> yes. >> and i understand that, you know, sometimes when people are angry, unfortunately they do things that are really inappropriate and unacceptable. and i think the threats on all of us who are in public health fall in that group. you know, really it's not appropriate. we do need to work together. we all, you know, have a part to play. public health people have their role to play. it's really the use of science. and help make sure that that's what's informing decisions that we make about what to do and what not to do. and especially in this pandemic where it's a new virus and the science is change. that's a complicated task. and i really appreciate it. we have so much support and so many people doing the right thing. but obviously when your numbers start going in the wrong
direction, it means that more people need to do the right thing. more people need to get back on track. they need to take the steps that protect each other. they need to wear those face coverings all the time when they're around other people. they need to keep their distance. they need to avoid crowds. and this is our unfortunate reality. i know many, many, many people are kind of done with this virus. but the virus isn't done with us. we have many, many weeks ahead. >> right. >> we've got to work together. >> and i just want to ask you because, you know, when you point out what we don't know, you know, we were told it spreads in the air. then we were told it wasn't. then we were told it does. then we were told it e aresides surfaces. then we were told it doesn't. then we were told it does even though the cdc says it spreads easily. do you feel like you have the information you need about how it spreads, the basic thing? >> no, it's a new virus and we're live fg had a time of
uncertainty. and we have to really do the best we can with the information at hand. and i'm the first person to admit i was out there saying we don't need to wear masks. there's no evidence that there's asymptomatic spread. people just really need to stay home when they're sick. they need to be very conscious of identifying close contacts. and that's all changed. >> yeah. >> the good news is there are researchers and scientists to give us good information. and public health departments can be flexible and use the information. but it does create confusion skpieand it's always hard to manage in an environment you don't have the information you wish you had. >> i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you for having me. >> outfront next, carly fee reno ran for the republican nomination in 2016. in 2020 she says she will vote for joe biden. is trump in trouble with his own party. one of the most powerful
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not just today, or this month, but always. tonight the top republican in the house refusing to answer our manu raju's question about whether trump should be calling the coronavirus kung flu. >> the president has been describing the coronavirus, calling it the kung-flu. do you think that's the appropriate way to address the coronavirus. >> do you think that's the most pressing issue you have about the coronavirus. >> think about that. >> i know but what i'm thinking about is why is that the most pressing question you have. when we're seeing spike in coronavirus questions you're concerned with that. you know what? i think we should all focus, learn more about the disease and stop this virus. every time i've come here you've always had those type of questions. it's interesting to me if that's what your viewers care most
about because you know what my constituents care most about? their safety and their health. and if you want to debate what's it called and what's it not, that's not what they're debating. they want to see a vaccine for it. that's what we're moving towards. therapies for it, and you see great movement. we've done things this country has never done when it comes to the fda and others. that's not my biggest concern. my biggest concern is the safety of americans and that's what i look for. thank you all very much. i appreciate your time. >> and of course setting up a false choice. everyone's concerned about the things he says. that's stating the obvious. but hate crimes have been rising against asians as the president has been calling it the chinese virus and things like that and after he used the racist term twice in a matter of days, kung flu. here he is. >> i can name kung flu.
kung flu. >> outfront now, former policy director for mitt romney's campaign. what is your response to the president using this term? >> well, it's offensive. i think it racializing something that shouldn't be racialized. and let's set aside something that's it's not a flu which i think we've talked about before. obviously it is a source of offense. by the way, not everything -- not all of the names the president has given the virus i take issue with. i also don't take issue with the idea you have a whole china accountable for the role they played. in this situation, the way the kung flu moniker is deployed, the way it is used to gin up crowds, those are things i personally find offensive and i think a number of people of asian descent find offensive as well. >> as i've said, we've seen a number of hate crimes. what do you say to kevin
mccarthy refused to engage with it. and saying answering the question was showing you don't care about the vaccine. he just didn't want to go there. >> i think republicans need to realize there should be room to criticize the president when he says things that they don't believe are right, that they believe are offensive. i think there should that room. now, we haven't seen that in the case of this administration many times, but i think it's important for republicans to realize by the way they've criticized past republican nominees. when mitt romney was a nominee, they've criticized plenty of things mitt romney said during that campaign. there should be room for that. i hope republicans would know where that line is to call that out. they could still support the president and want him reelected but realize that when he says things like this, there are consequences not just for him but for the party as well. >> new polls show biden holding
a strong lead in 6 battleground states, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, florida, arizona, and north carolina. there's a long time until november and things can change, but when you compare those numbers to hillary clinton's in 2016, biden is up among nearly every group of voters. not just one group. women, white college educated voters, most age groups, many different groups. how significant is it? >> well, i think the deeper concern for the trump campaign lies in states like florida, like north carolina, like arizona, three states the president won in 2016. and in those states, florida in particular, is worrisome. his lack of support among seniors i think sals particularly worrisome. so, there are trends they need to watch for. this is not a hole the president cannot climb out of, but it is a deep hole to be sure. >> carly fiorina ran against trump in 2016 but voted for him.
she now says she's going to vote for biden calling him a person of empathy and character. she's using the word empathy. is the president in trouble >> i don't know that he is, erin. i think that his support with republicans is still strong. now, remember, if he -- if his support declines even a little bit amongst his own party, it puts his re-election in jeopardy. so it doesn't take that many republicans. but as a general matter, the president is performing very well with republicans still. there is that margin, though, where i think he needs to be concerned. people like murkowski and carly fiorina -- >> he can do extremely well with registered republicans, but he needs more than that to win. where are you on voting for him? are you set that you will or have not decided? >> i'm still trying to figure things out and see where things go. i think a lot of republicans are
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tonight, what could be the biggest political upset of the year. one of the top democrats in congress may be on the verge of losing his seat after a primary. the chair of the house foreign affairing committee, currently trailing jamal bowman, 61% to 34%. he's town nearly 12,000 votes, before absentee ballots. engle has been in congress since 1989. chair of a committee, this is obviously a very, very major upset, as these numbers come in. bowman is now outfront. you've declared victories, but we haven't formally protected a winner because there's so many absentee ballots. but you're very confident that you have won. tell me why. >> well, the voters have spoken, and they've spoken throughout
the district. when you look at our district, it's broken up between the northeast bronx and lower westchester county. right now, we're winning the northeast bronx -- the north bronx by 29 points and winning westchester county 23 to 25 points. so we're doing very well and there's no statistical reason to believe that the mail-in ballot count will be much different than what we're already seeing. >> so you came in here and you fought hard. you know, if you're the winner here, this is not the way a lot of people thought it would go. governor cuomo endorsed congress m congressman engle, nancy pelosi enforced him, hakim jefferies, senior member of the black caucus endorsed them. what do you say to them tonight? >> well, you know, again, the people have spoken. you know, we worked really hard
from the very beginning of the campaign to build deep, authentic relationships with people across the district, across race, across class, across religion, across age. again, we did that work very urgently in the very beginning. we had hundreds of volunteers working with our campaign, knocking doors, making phone calls. so those relationships matter. and we have always felt confident that those relationships would translate into votes, even when the pandemic hit, we were able to pivot efficiently to a virtual campaign. and it led us to the point where we're up now by many, many points. >> so when it comes to calls for racial justice and the protests, which also have defined so much of this race, you have joined those calling to defund the police. i wanted to play part of a conversation i had with a democratic congressman and jim clyburn. he wants police reform, but here's what he told me about how
he views the defund movement. here he is. >> history is instructive. i was there with john lewis back in the '60s and the early '70s. we saw how our movement got hijacked. we did a lot back then that led to where we are today. we would have done even more if we had not got overtaken by the slogan "burn, baby burn" that took off in this country. be careful that we don't get hijacked this time like we got the last time. >> what do you think when you hear his thoughts? >> well, defunding the police is about a reallocation of resources. it's about a demilitarization of the police, and investing in public health, investing in housing, investing in jobs, investing in education, health care, environmental justice,
investing in mental health support. 50% of those killed by the police suffer from some mental or physical disability. what that means is we need to take a different approach. not a lethal approach. defunding the police means the end of sending military equipment to local police forces that they then use on people within the community. so it's not defunding is a rallying cry, but it's a reallocation of resources towards health and other areas we have deflected for quite some time. >> so you understand his point, sometimes words can mean something to people that may not be what you're saying. you're saying reallocate, you're not saying you don't want police providing safety, you want them to be trained and behave differently, right? opposed to going away? >> there's a role for police, but i push back on the notion that police and safety have to
go hand in hand. when we talk about safety, the number one thing that makes me safe and secure is making sure that i have food security, housing security. >> yes. i appreciate your time. and explaining that. thank you so much. thanks, jamaal. thanks to all of you for joining us. our town hall starts right now. ♪ i'm anderson cooper. welcome in new york. >> i'm dr. sanjay gupta. this is our 15th cnn town hall. >> when we left you last week, the facts suggested we were not making progress towards getting the outbreak under control. over the last several days, that movement in the wrong direction became clear. >> that's right. this week we saw covid cases reach record numbers in states across the south and the west. by the end of this hour, we may