tv New Day With Alisyn Camerota and John Berman CNN July 7, 2020 5:00am-6:00am PDT
>> good morning. it is tuesday, july 7, 8:00 in the east. sobering warning from dr. fauci that the u.s. is in a fell-blown crisis and the time for action to beat back the coronavirus is now. >> we are still knee deep in the first wave of this. we went up, never came down to baseline. and now we're surging back up. so it's a serious situation that we have to address immediately. >> more than 130,000 americans have now died from coronavirus. 31 states are seeing a rise in new cases. with the largest gains in texas, california, arizona and florida. at least seven states are reporting record hospitalizations. in florida, 43 hospitals and 21 counties now report that they have zero icu beds available. hospitalizations in miami-dade county are up 90% in two weeks. icu patients over that county up
86% in ventilator use, 127 opinion higher. public health experts tell cnn some of the states are past the point of no return when it comes to controlling outbreaks and also contact tracing. meanwhile, major institutions and important voices are distancing themselves from president trump's position. mitch mcconnell is finally urging americans to wear masks. nascar and the president's friend senator lindsey graham are standing behind driver bubba wallace after an ugly twitter attack from the president. cnn has learned the pentagon is drafting a policy that would ban the confederate flag in all defense department workplaces. disney has a deal with colin kaepernick. even fox tv personalities like sean hannity has belatedly come around to thinking it's important to wear masks. what does this mean for the presidential race. joining us is the former acting administrator for
president obama. 50 doctors and medical personnel were sent to bexar county to help out there and there are zero icu beds available. dr. fauci says we're knee deep in this and the time to act is now. we need immediate help. what do you see going on this morning? >> well, we're really trying to wrestle with three failures that make it difficult to care for people this this virus. first is failure of moral leadership to prepare to care to focus on the public. the second is we're failing to adapt. this is going from state to state to state and the states where it hasn't hit yet still don't get it. you're talking about arizona, texas, california, but there are other states that the virus hasn't been to yet because there are smaller cities and they are not yet requiring masks.
here in minnesota would be one. and the third we have a bit of a failure of empathy or a failure to really imagine what it's like until it happens to us. and i think because this is happening a lot -- to a lot of older people and a lot of people in nursing homes and to a lot of black and brown people, it seems to create some indifference in the population. we need to take all three of the failures and address them head on or the fall is going to get worse. >> andy, i don't see how we get out of this. i don't understand the exit ramp here. when people say we need immediate help, what can we do at this point? >> a couple things. we should be confident if you look around the world, whether it's germany or vietnam or new zealand, pick a country, they have figured out how to manage the virus and open the economy. but they have -- they understand something we haven't yet which is taking a little bit of short
term pain for long term gain. if we want to open schools in the fall, we have to not go to bars as much. so we have to -- we have to actually meet this challenge head on. if we do that, you know, in a couple weeks from now, case counts will begin to fall. in the meantime, you know, we do what we do. we send our best people around the country to texas, to arizona, to florida, we help our fellow americans. >> let's talk about schools a little bit more. because the education commissioner in florida just issued this edict that all schools need to be opening. the white house wants the schools to reopen. but what is the right way to do it safely, andy? >> well, look, the right way to do it safely is to look at the data first and then make a judgment. i don't think there's anybody in the country that doesn't want
the schools to open, least of all parents working from home and realizing taking care of their 7 or 8-year-old all day isn't easy and they value their teachers or the doing it. but like everything else we pick a date and we rush and instead of doing the actual work. instead of saying let's make sure we have enough testing we we don't have. let's make sure we have contact tracing. let's make sure that we have classroom sizes that are safe and that we don't have rooms that are recirculating the air to the kids. i don't doubt that it can be done and i don't want this to be you were to turn into the issue that they're trying to push the other side into saying not to open the schools. no reason to politicize the issue. but we have to do the work to figure it out. >> the white house press secretary was trying to make the claim that the u.s. is being a leader around the world. maybe she meant the dubious distinction of leading in deaths
because that's what we're winning. just to prove the point, the most effective countries are the countries that have had the hardest time fighting coronavirus. here's the u.s. mortality rate. it's at the top. 4.4% of people who get this are dying in the u.s. that compares to brazil's 4%. russia's 1.5%. india's 2.8% and peru's 2.5%. what is the u.s. leading on, andy, and what should -- what role can the u.s. still take? >> well, look, i mean, people around the world are a little bit stunned at our reaction. our first reaction was bad in march. but they would have expected by may or june we would have figured it out. i think the press secretary is doing what press secretary believes her job is to do. so we are leading in a lot of the wrong places. i will say we have great scientists here and i will say that we should have great
confidence in our scientists to work on this and figure it out. if we give them time, by wearing masks, social distancing, there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. i think we need to be able to buckle down through this challenging period. >> andy, i know you have been on the phone with scientists around the country and one of the discussions you're having is about vaccines and there's optimism about vaccines. you hold that optimism, but you have a solid dose of realism. i was surprised to see you write that your expectation for how effective vaccines will be once they come into play isn't that high. you think 40 to 50% as opposed to say, you know, measles which is in the 90s. >> well, i really don't know. what i do know is that the way
scientists talk about a vaccine on the one hand is very positive that the trials seem to be going quite well. on the other hand, they talk about the job to -- of things that will all help us together reduce the spread and reduce the lethality of the condition. so monochromal antibodies, vaccines, continuously improving. if we have the notion that we have a world before a vaccine and after a vaccine, it doesn't sound quite so clean. it actually sounds more -- not necessarily bad news. but it sounds like continually improving our situation, making it less lethal, making things better and better over time. and then having somewhat of a new normal to make sure that we don't get to new spread again. >> in terms of back to school for a second, in terms of universities, the trump administration is announcing a ban to bar international students from being here in this country if there are just online
classes. so international students will have to leave or go home or not come in first place. is that a good idea? >> that is a really -- just -- it's a mean idea. i mean, you have students who have -- have not been able to affo afford to go home, they have been living here alone all summer and now they're told, through no fault of their own, they have to leave the country. this is a -- i mean, this is mean. this is part of our brain drain. this is our anti-immigration side. nothing to do with public health in this decision, and i think i would call on every university to hold a one-day outdoor class for international students once per semester. meet i.c.e. because they're driving this from what i understand and if you're a parent, there are numbers to call and there are lawyers available that are trying to fix
this. but there's no reason for this whatsoever. just a terrible idea. >> andy, i want to talk also about antibodies and the idea of how long the body has immunity to coronavirus. this is one of the areas that's a big unknown. we were speaking to the doctor earlier in the show and based on what he is seeing, maybe 10% of patients who had it already coming back again. now, whether or not they had a lingering case that flared up again or a literal second case that remains to be seen. but there's a new study out of spain that suggests among a certain number of people, maybe 10% the antibodies wear off pretty quickly. what are the public health implications of this? >> well, look, it is a little bit frustrating to be in the middle of the scientific process for the public and i know that makes them doubt experts when they hear new facts and things like this. but they have delayed this thinking and it's again only the latest, there are two things that can help you ward off the
condition. one is antibodies and the other is called t-cells which is more permanent. we understand the antibody piece a little bit better. we haven't yet fully focused on how the t-cells work which is an incredibly important part of warding this off. i will have to continue to study these things and study them in combination. sometimes it's going to feel like we're taking a step backwards. but for scientists every bit of knowledge is more progress and my sense is that the scientists i have talked to aren't particularly worried. they do feel like what happens is -- that the test tests for fragments of the antibodies that remain inside of people. so when they test people again, sometimes they test positive when they're really better. and that the antibodies even though they wear off they leave some fragments of protection so when the test comes back it's so much lighter. we're a few months in and, you
know, we're just going to have to try to be patient. i know it's hard. >> well, we appreciate you for trying. andy slavitt, thanks so much for being with us this morning and helping us understand the different varieties of things happening in front of us right now. >> thank you. all right, what does the white house think this morning about the rise in cases in state after state across the south and out west? we'll speak with a white house official, next.
all right. this is the situation around the country right now. 31 states are seeing a rise in coronavirus cases, those are the states in red. and at least seven states are seeing record-breaking hospitalizations. joining me now is peter navarro, director for the white house trade and manufacturing policy and a big player in the white house response to the pandemic around the country. peter, thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> good morning, john. >> overnight, dr. fauci said we are knee deep in this pandemic. he says we need to take immediate action. when you look at the rise in cases in states like texas and california and florida and arizona, how do you explain it? >> well, first of all, this morning, john, i had some good news and some breaking news for you that i'd like to share. >> can you -- >> that speaks directly -- no, it direct -- >> can you answer the question first? >> it speaks to this rapid
growth in cases. the four doctors at the detroit hospital system which found a 50% reduction in mortality rate from hydroxychloroquine yesterday applied to the food and drug administration for what's called an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine for the early treatment in the hospital setting for the use of it in a physician setting on an outpatient basis and as a proef alax us. this can be an important tool in the tool box. so i wanted to share that with you. >> all right. i want to come back to hydroxychloroquine. i will in a moment. >> sure. >> but i want to talk about the rise of cases in the states. how do you explain it? >> well, look, we should remember how this virus got here, where it started. it started with the chinese communist party in china -- >> peter, peter, peter, this -- hang on. >> i'm making a point.
>> i'll -- i didn't ask about hydroxychloroquine and you didn't answer the question. let's talk about what happened since june. let's limit the discussion, what happened since june. what are you seeing in these states? >> we have a virus from china that exhibits highly asymptomatic spread and the assumption i think among most people in the medical community was going to be that heat and humidity was going to make this subside this summer, but we haven't seen that because this china virus is very dangerous. i can tell you what my role is. yesterday, for example, this is again some good news for you. i was at the weekly strategic national stockpile meeting over at health and human services, and the good news is that the stockpiles are rapidly being
replenished and that at least at this point as these cases rise, we have not seen any demands from hospitals that we have not been able to meet. so that's good news for the american people. as to why this virus is spreading it's -- it's a highly contagious virus from china. and we're trying to manage it. what more can i say about that? >> i want to put up p-118 here. i guess the question is, why is it that in the united states -- the same virus. the cases are rising and rising and rising. and in other countries around the world, france, italy, germany, south korea, the case numbers are dropping. so what is unique about the united states where we're seeing the increase, and also record hospitalizations and we're not seeing that around the world? >> you know, john -- that's not my lane to answer that question. but we have a virus from china
that's highly symptomatic. >> so did they. if you buy the argument -- >> let me speculate on what i think is going on. i think that in the first wave of the pandemic, this president immediately locked down the economy. and most of what we saw was happening in new york, new jersey, detroit, new orleans and some of our major cities in hot zones. the rest of the country was not experiencing the same kind of flatten the curve, do through the first wave. and i think what is going on now is that as we have opened up the economy, these other areas are experiencing more of a first wave than a second wave. and i think that's consistent with what dr. fauci, dr. birx and others are saying. again, this is not my -- look, my job is to save the lives by getting them hydroxychloroquine
and ventilators and things like that. so you can ask me all of the science questions, but not my role. >> opening up has to do with the economy as well. >> sure. >> if you were saying that the curve was flattened in new york and new jersey when there were the stay at home orders and we are seeing a rise, what's the consideration or what should be the consideration to reimpose that? >> well, what we have learned in first few months of the pandemic there's a tremendous cost not just in terms of the economic cost, but in the cost of human lives when we lock down the economy like we did. let's be honest about that. right now, we have got -- from this china virus we have anger about the lockdown, we have anxiety and fear amongst the american people of contracting the virus and regrettably, we have taken that fear and we have
directed it against each other. often in a partisan fashion and what the reality of this, if we lock down too hard we'll kill people through depression, alcoholism and things like that. as well as do tremendous damage to the economy. this is a difficult time for us, john. this -- we forget, i think but we should remember this. this is a war. and this is a war time president and a war against the china virus. i think what's important for us is to
work together in a nonpartisan way. i hope we can talk a little bit about hydroxychloroquine because that's for me the poster child of a politicized science. i mean, this is a medicine that for over 60 years was deemed safe. it appears to work in a very -- >> peter, i promise to get to hydroxychloroquine. >> it will save lives. >> i just want note, you say you don't want to talk about science in some areas, but you're
excited to talk about the science on hydroxy. so you're picking and choosing where you want to weigh in on science. before we get to that, i want to ask you about masks because you are a leader at the white house in terms of the coronavirus response. when do you personally wear a mask? >> whenever i'm in the situation where i cannot maintain appropriate social distancing. >> what difference would it make if the president aggressively, visually, supported mask wearing in front of the nation? >> i -- i can't speculate on that. i think that it's clear now that the president and the vice president strongly support the use of masks and social distancing. i mean, what -- there's no mo more -- nothing more to squeeze from that orange. >> look, peter, i'm only asking because you have been instrumental in getting n95 masks and masks around the country. you're instrumental in mask. would it work if the president
wore a mask? >> look, you guys beat that one to death and i won't get involved in that. >> look -- >> come on. >> mitch mcconnell -- >> it's a mean -- >> mitch mcconnell beat -- did mitch mcconnell beat it to death? >> to wear a mask -- what's the point? everyone who gets near him has been tested and nobody gets within six feet of him. >> if i'm just asking if a white house effort to emphasize the importance of mask wearing -- >> you can keep asking it and i won't go there. like we have some important time here together, john. and again, i think -- my job is to do two things. help the president save lives and create jobs. and today i can help save some lives here today by raising the awareness about this medicine. it's $11 for the treatment course you can take at home. remdesivir is $3,000 and you have to stick a needle in your arm for ten days and you have to
do it in the hospital setting. both of those drugs are useful, but i think it's important particularly as the cases rise as you pointed out that we at least talk a little bit about that. >> look, i was talking about mask wearing but there's concern on the study there. and we did cover this last week, that show positive results out of hydroxychloroquine. this study did show that. and the fda keeps on pointing us frankly to the other studies which have shown different things. the doctors in the study you're talking about say that it doesn't refute the findings of the other study, but it was different. it wasn't double blind, they picked the patients who received the hydroxy. they were twice as likely to receive the steroids which are effective as well. there's a sense even among the doctor in the study that you're
touting that there needs to be more research. >> there needs to be more research, but let's cut to the chase here. the previous studies that had no shown no efficacy for the drug have been skewed towards late treatment. the 8 to 14 days when you're already on your way to dying and this drug won't work. but if you get it in the first seven days when you simply have a fever, dry cough and a profound sense of fatigue, your lungs have not yet turned to glass. the virus has not penetrated all your other organs. it works through what's called an alkalinity effect. >> i understand. >> here's the thing. it's like, if indeed it's true that it works in early treatment then we should allow doctors working -- and i caution you here, do it only under the advice of your physician. we should allow doctors in the outpatient basis to say, hey, this is an option. and what the detroit system did for that study, as soon as someone came in the emergency room they administered the drug.
it was within 24 hours. >> i understand. the nih study had people who received the drug on day one. we'll let the fda report on this. >> let me leave you one last thing. i have not seem a single thing -- a single study that's shown bad things about this drug that has been well executed study of early treatment. >> this study you're touting wasn't double blinded and randomized. >> give peace a chance and give hydroxy a chance. >> i want to ask you this. kayleigh mcenany -- >> it can save lives. >> this is another important subject -- >> i would let her speak for herself. >> she won't talk about what the white house's position is on confederate flags flying at nascar. do you understand the white house's position? >> it's not my lane, i'm here to
save lives, create jobs. i'm not the press secretary. i'm really not. i'm not a surrogate. when i can -- >> how do you feel personally? >> not going there. >> you don't feel -- you don't have feelings about the confederate flag? >> so, look, john, can i tell you a personal story if i may? >> yeah. >> my awakening on the race issue was when i was 8 years old in a wool worth's store in west palm beach, florida, when i walked over and i took a drink from the colored water fountain because i wanted to see colored water. and this woman came up to me and just gently said, you can't -- can't drink from that. i go, why? she says that's for colored people. it's like -- i mean, i'm 8 years old and that didn't make sense to me. i'm a californian, we don't race
out there. so, you know it's like i live my life -- >> the president -- it's the president who brought up the flag yesterday. >> it troubles me that we have so much of this discussion when in fact we have got real problems in this country. >> that's a real problem. >> it is a problem. but what i'm telling you, john, i go back to what i said. right now, look, here's another issue. why is it that more black people died in chicago from gunshots than the china virus? >> is it because of the confederate flag? >> in chicago, come on. that's the most democrat -- that's barack obama's and michelle obama's -- >> you're drawing me in. this is the cancel culture that everyone has to go through your
litmus tests. >> no. >> i'm talking about hydroxychloroquine -- >> we talked about it. >> i'm talking about jobs and lives. >> i do appreciate the time we spend together. >> i do appreciate it. >> a wide range of subjects. thank you for coming on. joining us now, maggie haberman from "the new york times." i appreciate you as well and the time we spend together. what jumped out at you from what peter navarro told john? >> he really wants to talk about hydroxychloroquine. that's what jumped out at me. he's been an evangelist for the administration and the hydroxychloroquine for a while but it's almost as if he works for someone who controls the federal government and the federal government rescinding the emergency use of hydroxychloroquine for treating the coronavirus. maybe it will turn out great but we don't know. and there clearly needs to be more studies and i don't think
it's the media isn't talking about it. he didn't want to talk about his boss' comments about the confederate flag yesterday, that jumped out at me because there's nobody in the administration who seems to want to take up the mantel of what the president himself said and explain why it is that the president thought it was a mistake that nascar got rid of the confederate flag. >> it was interesting that he did that. look, i'm most interested in what the administration is doing about the pandemic right now. and it was surprising to me that peter navarro i think he cares about masks. i mean, he worked hard to get masks -- >> he cares about this issue, no question. >> but still on the issue of the white house role in promoting mask wearing now, he still doesn't feel like he can get near it because it's still a sensitive issue for the president. >> look, i think he was trying -- i understand why, not to answer a question that you were asking which was about the
president's role and it has nothing to do with whether the question gets sick. it has to do with whether the president is modeling for other people by wearing a mask. we have yet to actually see the president wear a mask at an event which we have seen vice president mike pence do. maybe we will at some point, but a lot of people are telling the president he ought to be setting an example on this. he's changed his language somewhat but he complains that mask wearing he sees it as some kind of political act against him. there are widespread mask orders or widespread mask recommendations including by republican mayors, other republican leaders. so he would be taking a step that others have and for whatever reason he doesn't want to do it. >> the president would prefer to talk about the confederate flag. he prefers to tweet about the confederate flag than an about coronavirus. what's interesting, maggie, you
pointed this out on twitter he feels differently today than he did in 2015. candidate donald trump was ready to retire the confederate flag in 2015. let's just play that clip for everyone to remind them. >> you're the lone republican presidential campaign who has yet to weigh in on whether or not you think the confederate flag should be flying above the state house in south carolina. do you think it needs to do? >> i think it probably does and i think they should put it in the museum, let it go. respect whatever it is you have to respect because it was a point in time and put it in the museum, but i would take it down, yes. >> five years ago, he thought it should be -- he believed it should be relegated to a museum. so why now five years later is he arguably at a more archaic position? >> so he wasn't taking a stand that -- it wasn't out of nowhere. it was after a horrific shooting
in the black church by a white supremacist. that was when the national conversation was so that's where the conversation was in the politically expedient position was against it and now the expedient position to be for it. whether that is because he truly believes it now, because he's older, it's something that hurts his people as he puts it, the supporters want him to say it, or something he's throwing off the cuff i don't think he has a deeply held necessarily position on the flag based on that clip that we just saw. but i think he's saying something that he thinks is advantageous now. to your point it's so against the grain of where the majority of where the rest of the country is that's what makes it stand out so much. including the republicans. >> maggie, i'm dying to ask you this question because you're a long-time skeptic of the notion that the president does things to distract. that there's some grand
strategy, multidimensional chess here. i'll ask you for the tenth time, the millionth time in this administration, it strikes me that he would rather fight a battle about statues, even a losing battle about statues, than talk extensively about the pandemic. >> so, john, i want to clarify what i think. sometimes he's doing something as a distraction but not the 99% of the time that people think. it's the equivalent of letting his arm on fire to distract from the leg. these are not well thought out plans. in terms of what you're asking though is absolutely true that the president would rather be talking about issues of race and issues of culture than he would about the coronavirus because -- or he would about police brutality. because neither of those are issues that he is going to do very well on. coronavirus, that is the number one issue for voters in the fall. the president's advisers know the president has a big problem so it's not a surprise to me that's what he wants to talk
about. but again, to the strategy point is it strategic to support the -- you helping yourself by supporting the flag, is that a distraction, the multidimensional strategic chess that everyone is talking about. i have a hard time seeing it. that doesn't make it strategic. >> yeah, maggie, that's why it's so interesting to hear you say and i think it's really insightful he goes with whatever is politically expeedz yent at the moment. you see republicans, senator lindsey graham doesn't share this position anymore. >> no, he does not. i will say, alisyn, i wrote about this with my colleague andy carnie a couple of weeks ago. there are people asking if the president is trying to actively try to win anyway. he would react if somebody said that to directly to him. but he's taking a number of incredibly self-damaging actions
and this is one of them. by the way, you know, he did this after a weekend where they kept him to a script and a couple of people close to the president said to me, you know, the speeches he gave at mt. rushmore and at the white house are not speeches they would recommend for him, but at least he stuck to the script. he can talk about the confederate statues, it was a little more tailored and then he goes right back to it on twitter on monday morning. so this is not somebody who is running a careful, controlled campaign behaves. >> yeah. it undercuts what they tried to do over the weekend it seems. maggie, thanks for being here this morning. >> thanks, guys. all right, so we finally have a list of businesses and nonprofits that received millions of dollars in loans under the paycheck protection plan. details next. &t or verizon to t-mobile essentials and save up to 50% off your current service and smartphones. keep your phones. and we'll pay them off.
turns out some recipients had some powerful connections. lauren fox has more. what have you learned? >> we now know some of the names of businesses who received more than $150,000 in these ppp loans. 4.9 million loans went out to nail salons, local construction company, your favorite local restaurant but they also went to some well-connected people. including a couple of members of congress. i want to point out a few of them. this list isn't exhaustive. but a republican, her family received $480,000 and loans for mike kelly, a republican from pennsylvania. he owns car dealership. while his office said he's not involved in the day to day operations the businesses received between $150,000 and $350,000 each. three separate loans so that
could total up to $1 million. so that gives you a sense of some of the members of congress who received the loans but there were people who were connected to president donald trump including mark kas awith its, he served on the legal team for the mueller probe. his law firm who employs 400 people it received a ppp. none of the partners were involved in getting the loans but it shows the bigger, more connected companies also were recipients of the ppp loans. >> talk about political organizations. did they get any? >> well, there are of course a few very well-known political organizations in d.c. here are a couple of foundations includes american for tax reform foundation. that of course is the group that has long lobbied against getting any kind of government spending. they have also argued, you know, for keeping government spending low and not bloated so that of course is a notable one.
this is their nonprofit arm of course so this isn't a political organization. but that's something to keep in mind as well as the congressional black caucus foundation and the hispanic institute. they received loans between 3 -- 3 3 $50,000. the money is still out there and just because they got the money doesn't mean that you couldn't get the money if you still wanted it. >> that's really important for mom and pop shops to know. but just out of curiosity, the tax reform policy, have they explained their hypocrisy? >> yeah, the reason that many of the well-connected businesses say they these got the loans is they still have people on the payroll. that has been the rationale. you know, mike kelly who's the congressman in pennsylvania, he said you know, these car dealerships they employ 2
hundred western pennsylvanians. yes, he might be a congressman that doesn't mean the people who work for him are well connected and they're still getting paid for the loans. that's the rationale of why they got the loans. >> lauren fox, thank you very much for all of that reporting. the u.s. government is moving fast to develop a coronavirus vaccine. how soon could one hit the market? we'll give you the latest. ...to soccer practices... ...and new adventures. you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past... they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. let's help protect them together. because missing menb vaccination could mean missing out on a whole lot more. ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination.
interesting and unique in that the goal is not just to produce antibodies but stimulate the growth of t-cells. explain why that is important. >> well, john, thank you for having us. the issues that you -- is the duration of immunity and your body has two ways of killing the virus. one, or blocking the virus. one is antibodies and the one is the actual cell in your body called a t-cell and the t-cell generates memory. so if you have t-cells i think there's a higher chance of generating a long-term duration of the vaccine to protect you. >> and that seems particularly important this morning because we are seeing more research and hearing new questions asked about how long the antibodies even naturally produced antibodies from having the virus remain in your body.
in other words, how long we have natural immunity. >> well, that's a great question and in fact there's just a new report that came out of france that patients that were infected some of them actually showed no antibodies in their blood, but actually showed t-cells. so i think it's really important to find a way to generate t-cells and the way we have approached that is to go after both the innards of the virus as well as the outer spike and the innards of the virus, we have taken the approach of having both in our viral construct. vaccine construct. >> where are you right now in the process? >> well, we have taken a little bit of a turn because one of the things that we were developing was the injectable version and as we begin to see the need to have a potential capsule and we have now found that the way of actually putting a vaccine into
the capsule. that's very exciting and the opportunity now to take a capsule by mouth and generate what we call immunity not just through t-cells but through the mucosal and that's what we call mucosal protection. that's where we are now. we are now developing it in the form of a capsule. >> you obviously are based in california now. what's happened there? why have we seen the rise in cases that we have over the last three weeks? >> i think it's because the young people feel that because they're young and strong that the absent of a need for social distancing and masking. i don't think people realize the droplet or the aerosol form of injection and even if you're asymptomatic over 60% have
ground glass lungs which means life long implications. i'm sure -- i'm sadly i think -- they weren't taking this as seriously as they should and we're now having this -- you know, we're still in the first wave and we're having a surge again. >> among other things, you're a part owner of the los angeles lakers. i'm a huge basketball fan. avery bradley who used to play for the the celtics is sitting this season out. he doesn't want to take the risk of coronavirus to play for the team. what do you think the likelihood that they'll play and what are the risks involved? >> well, look, i think it is risky. i'm not sure what the likelihood. you know, as you can see, even amongst baseball and basketball the players have a risk of getting infected.
again, the idea of this droplet infection and aerosolized infection and i don't blame avery, he has a young child. he made the decision to do that for his family. >> we just had peter navarro on from the white house and i lost count of how many times he referred to coronavirus as the china virus. the president has called it the kung flu. in the path three months in california alone, there are 8 -- i'm reading this here, self-reported discrimination against asian-americans. what do you think of this? >> it's not only sad and disappointing i think this is a virus that affects humanity and, you know, racial discrimination, including what we have done at "the l.a. times," there's no place for that. we really are all in this together and it's a very sad statement and we should be leading rather than disparaging
nations and race. >> when you say we, do you specifically mean the white house to change how it talks about this? >> well, i mean, the white ho e house, i mean, the country. i think our country as a nation should be taking the lead of -- in terms of leading the charge in bringing this all together to work on this. it's -- this is a problem for humanity, it's not a political or a national issue. it's a problem that if we put our efforts together we could beat this virus. >> dr. chung, thank you for the wide-ranging discussion. i wish you the best of luck going forward on the vaccine development. i think it's something that everyone in america is pulling for. a lot of news developing. cnn's coverage continues after this. utual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper.
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good morning. i'm poppy harlow. knee deep in the first wave and getting worse. dr. fauci said it's really not good as cases surge in 31 states and at least 24 have paused or rolled back reopening plans. at the same time, we're learning sile silent spreaders, people who are infected but asymptomatic may be responsible for half of the cases in the united states. in florida, they're out of icu beds and other states fearing the same issues are near. the military is deploying medical personnel to texas to address a spike in cases there.