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this deal through to its conclusion. >> we'll see if he takes over. musk, there's never an answer. >> there's more questions and more questions and never many answers. he's an enigma. not clear if he's intentionally or an expression of his personality. a lot of questions but no answers. >> thank you for the conversation. stay with us. dana bash up next with live coverage of the guns deal from the senate. this is cnn breaking news. >> hello, i'm dana bash in washington. bipartisan group of senators announced a deal to address gun violence with ten republican senators on board. that signals it could overcome a filibuster but an important caveat, this is a deal in principle. there is no legislative text yet. no details yet.
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so president biden just released a statement thanking the negotiators and saying, quote, obviously it does not do everything that i think is needed, but it reflects important steps in the right direction and would be the most significant gun legislation to pass in decades. the sooner the legislation is written and comes to his desk, the sooner he can sign it. senators agreed in principle to these measures. first, funding to incentivize states to implement, quote, red flag laws, implementing a 10 state pilot program to mental health on all 50 states, allowing juvenile records to be searched during background checks for those under 21, strengthening the background check system and increasing funding for school security. the outline does not include the renewal of the assault weapons ban or raise the age to purchase a firearm but does boast the support of ten republican
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senators. you look at them. john cornyn. tom tillis. roy blunt. richard burr. susan collins. lindsey graham, mitt romney, and pat toomey. their backing makes this agreement really significant. after years of inaction by the senate and, of course, most recently, since the two tragedies in buffalo and uvalde. now, the news on this compromise in the senate comes as the house of representatives focuses on the january 6th committee hearings, which more than 20 million americans watched in primetime on thursday night. the hearings continue tomorrow morning and will focus on former president trump's election lies. here with me exclusively is the january 6th committee member, democratic congressman jamie ra raskin. based on what you just heard, is that a compromise you would vote on? >> well, we would certainly vote on it and work on it. you know, america is suffering a massacre pretty much every day
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now. there's been more massacres than days in 2022. so the house has been pushing for far more sweeping action for universal violent criminal backgrounds. >> this is a baby step you would vote yes on? >> it's moving in the right direction. we're glad this is finally awake about this. >> you said on january 6th that the committee's public hearings would blow the roof off the house. we're about to enter a new week of hearings. is the most explosive testimony in your opinion still to come? >> well, what we're going to do is spell out all of the details related to the things that chairman thompson and vice chair cheney laid out. so i think it continues to be an absolutely shocking event in american history that there was an attempted political coup organized by the president of the united states in order to overthrow a presidential election to stay in office. to seize the presidency and
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shocking that insurrectionary mob violence would be used to count the votes into block the transfer of power. so i know that our first hearing pierced the sound barrier. people were paying attention, but americans need to pay further attention because the danger is still out there. i mean, there was, i just read this morning that in idaho, there was lgbtq pride day and riot by extremist groups, the same groups mobilized that were for the assault capitol. >> it will focus on misinformation and election fraud. your committee said trump, quote, purposely spread false information. can you prove donald trump lost while he was publicly saying he
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won? >> i think we can prove to any reasonable open minded person to he did because he was surrounded by lawyers, including the attorney general of the united states, william barr, telling him in no uncertain terms that donald trump could understand, this is bs. he heard it from the white house council. he heard it from all the lawyers who threatened to resign as he staged his little mini coup by installing someone who would go along with his fairytale without having there been electoral fraud and corruption. i think any reasonable person in america will tell you he had to have known he was spreading a big lie, and he continues to spread it to this very day. he continues to voice that propaganda on his followers. >> your colleague who's also on the panel with you, elaine luria, said she thinks donald trump, quote, thinks that donald trump met the threshold for criminal behavior. so you know this, indicting a former president has not
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happened in american history. you are a constitutional lawyer, a professor. is it criminal referral of a former president the right thing to do in this case? >> well, there's a statutory authority we have for criminal referrals for those who make contempt against congress can and that's what we did with bannon and so on. >> but they're not a former president. >> there's not a specific statutory provision for just referring crimes to the department of justice. i suppose our entire investigation is a referral of crimes both to the department of justice and to the american people because this is a massive assault on our, on the machinery of american democracy when you have a sitting president who tries to overthrow the majority in the electoral college of his opponent who beat him by more than 7 million votes. >> the question is, knowing what you know and knowing what the american people will see in these hearings, do you believe that the justice department should indict the former president? >> you know, one of the
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conventions that was crushed during the trump administration was respect by politicians for the independence of the law enforcement function, and so i'm going to try to observe that. attorney general garland is my constituent. i think he knows, his staff knows, the u.s. attorneys know what's at stake here. they know the importance of it. but i think they are rightfully paying close attention to precedent and history as well as the facts of this case, so what we've laid out in different legal pleadings, the criminal statutes that we think are violated and judge carter in california said he thought it was likely that president trump committed federal offenses. >> i want to ask you about pardons. you revealed this week that multiple republican members of congress sought pardons from president trump after the insurrection. how many of your colleagues in congress did that? and what evidence do you have?
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because you know that congressman perry is denying. >> the secrecy of pardons is demonstration of consciousness of guilt or that you may be in trouble. that's what's shocking about this. it's not just one. >> you have evidence. >> it's multiple members of congress as the vice chair said at the opening hearing, and all in due course, the details will surface. >> so there's evidence? >> everything we're doing is documented by evidence. unlike the big lie, which is based on non-sense as former attorney general barr said, but the bipartisan investigation which is determined to fare out all of what happened. >> before i let you go, i want to ask about something you were carrying in your pocket, a copy of common sense by thomas payne. you named your late son tommy after him. why did you have that with you?
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>> because we did name tommy after tom payne, and need to get through this struggle in our history. common sense, the sense we all have in common about what facts are, about what the truth is and then common sense about how to move forward pragmatically as americans, that's what we need. not lies, not conspiracy theory. not propaganda and disinformation. >> congressman, thank you so much for coming on, i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. my next guest said she feared for her life on january 6th. democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez is joining me. first, i just want to ask about your personal reaction as you watch, especially given that you told me last night, you thought you might be killed or even raped during the riot on january 6th. >> yeah, well, i think my reaction was a lot of the american people's reaction. rewatching that footage, it
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almost felt, especially when you consider the disinformation and misinformation campaign that happened immediately afterwards to try to minimize the scale and the severity of what happened. we have been pounded by messages from right-wing disinformation networks that this was not a big deal, that january 6th, even for members of congress, it was just a tourist visit. and so i think especially in the wake of that year of people trying to minimize what had happened, rewatching that footage was, i think, just, it was like bringing everything back from that day again. not just for myself, but i also know for staff that were there that day, for support staff that were working there, for members of congress that were there, and for the entire country, including many veterans that were watching on television wondering how could this be us? and so i think it was an incredibly evocative and
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physically resonant moment for many of us, but it was a reminder of how severe the moments of january 6th was and that this was an attempted coup of the united states of america. >> vice chair liz cheney revealed multiple members of congress asked for presidential pardons after january 6th. you went on twitter and directly asked republican congressman gaetz and greene if they were the ones to ask for pardons. do you have a reason to believe they were? >> well, we do know congresswoman lauren boebert in the middle of all of that footage we saw yesterday of people kind of coming into the capitol with actively tweeting the speaker's location was tweeting really provocative statements, like 1776 and very much, i believe, indicates a side here and when you don't know who was part of a potential
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conspiracy, then we need to find out and frankly, from a lot of behavior we've seen inside the workings of the house, i believe every member of congress should be able to answer that question. i'm happy to answer the qu question, before, during, or after january 6th or any point in time but that's a very simple question every single member of congress should be able to answer. >> people like scott perry are denying. you just don't believe them? >> we'll see the evidence the committee lays out will be, but the committee has indicated evidence several members of congress did seek a pardon. you have representative perry refusing to comply with the bipartisan investigation with the events of january 6th.
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i believe the committee would never make an allegation without substantial evidence to present to the american public. >> you heard my reporting about a framework for a bipartisan senate deal on gun safety. that deal is not expected to include so-called assault weapons ban or raising the age to buy a firearm. would you vote for that compromise? >> well, you know, i think when it comes to guns, we have to look at all of the options we have at the table, recognizing that the senate simply right now isn't capable of, i believe, passing the comprehensive legislation in all forms that's needed. we have to look at the text. as you mentioned, legislative text has not been put together. i'm disappointed to hear a focus on increased criminalization and juvenile criminalization instead of really having the focus on guns, but the background checks provision is encouraging so i
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think we need to look at the text and then we'll be able to see if this legislation has been responsibly put together and i hope, it is my hope that it has been. >> assuming it has been, will you be a yes? >> i believe if we can get a background check through, my hope, my hope is that it's a yes. again, if we're talking about using this as an excuse to dramatically increase an enforcement mechanism that we know is not capable right now of preventing mass shootings, then i'm not really interested in doing something for show for the american public. i'm really interested in passing a solution for the american public, and we have had even the police department from the buffalo mass shooting came and testified before the house oversight committee and said more of us is not going to help. increased hardening targets, while something to be said for that, at the end of the day, what we need to address in mass shootings is the widespread availability of guns.
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>> i want to move on. sorry. >> yeah, of course. >> i want to move on but it sounds like you're saying that if it does something, you're okay with the baby step now as opposed to what you actually want because you recognize the politics of the senate. >> yeah, if we get a real baby step, not kind of a distraction, i think. >> i want to turn to new york politics. this week, you endorsed progressive new york state senator alessandra biaggi. she's trying to unseat your democrat colleague, sean patrick maloney. here's what president obama's former campaign manager jim said about that. he said, this is counterproductive. the supreme court is about to outlaw abortion. we could lose both houses. so we are going to focus our time running against each other? now we're primarying committed progressives because, why? if we lose the house, it's because of dumb stuff like this. what do you say to him?
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>> i think we've seen from prior primaries throughout this year that a motivated, young, multiracial, multi-class base is exactly what the democratic party needs in order to win in november. we've seen these with the electric victories of representatives, hopefully to be a summer lee and out in austin, that when we are able to elect representatives that excite the democratic base, that excite young people, that excite a multi-class, multi-racial coalition, that puts us in an even better position to win in november. i think right now, there are a lot of voters at home that have quite a bit of anxiety about the enthusiasm right now in terms of turnout for the democratic party and i think one of the best things that we can do is elect people with a proven record of being able to excite a base and turn it out. i do know alessandra biaggi can
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do that. >> you're making a statement, of course, by endorsing somebody who wants to beat and take out a member of your own party leadership, the very guy who is trying to get democrats elected to keep control of the house. you're obviously comfortable with that? >> you know, i believe that every single year, every single one of us as a voter has the possibility to elect a representative that best suits them, and i have been primaried by the democratic establishment. i had a 3 million plus primary challenge in 2020 and i took my case to my constituency. and i think what's really important here is, i don't believe that if you get elected once to congress, that we should be elected in perpetuity forever. and that our party's changing, our party's dynamic and right now, millennials are deeply underrepresented in congress compared to baby boomers and gen
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xors and we need a generational shift for us to have a policy shift in the united states congress. >> before we go, i want to ask about presidential biden. he is saying he's going to run again in 2024. will you support him? >> you know, if the president chooses to run again in 2024, i mean, first of all, i'm focused on winning the majority right now, and preserving the majority this year in 2022, so we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, but i think if the president has a vision and that is something certainly we're all willing to entertain and examine when the time comes. >> that's not a yes. >> yeah, you know, i think we should endorse when we get to it, but i believe that the president has been doing a very good job so far and should he run again, i think we'll take a look at it. but right now, we need to focus on winning a majority instead of a presidential election.
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>> congresswoman, thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> you can tune in monday morning at 9:00 a.m. eastern for coverage of the next hearing of the january 6th committee. cnn will carry that live with all the best reporting and analysis. as we reported at the top of the hour, senators have reached a bipartisan deal to tackle gun violence. i'll talk to one of the negotiators of the bipartisan deal to tackle gun violence. and he predicted the rise in inflation, so where does he think the economy is headed now? former treasure secretary larry summers is coming up.
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the union." the gun deal with backed by 10 senate republicans. just released the statement on the negotiating group and he said, quote, i continue to hope the discussions yield a bipartisan product that makes significant headway on key issues like mental health and school safety, respects the second amendment and earns broad support in the senate, and makes a dichbs for our country. this is the closest to any action on gun violence. joining me now someone of the democratic senators involved in these negotiations, chris coons of delaware. thank you so much for jumping on with us. i appreciate it, senator. so first of all, tell us about these negotiations, how you got to the agreement that you released just minutes ago. >> thank you. i am so grateful for the
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leadership of chris murphy and john cornyn and loblumenthal. they are from connecticut, democrats who since sandy hook have been working tirelessly to try to make progress on gun safety. on some level, we owe some real thanks here to joe manchin and pat toomey, a bipartisan pair who opened the door to making progress on background checks and republican senators tillis and cornyn were critical to the negotiations here. there's been a core group negotiating for some time since the horrific shootings in uvalde and in buffalo. i think every american was touched by the cruelty, the senselessness of the violence that cut down black americans who were shopping at a grocery store on a weekend, and then innocent children at an elementary school and the teachers who sought to protect
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them. here in delaware, there was a large march for our lives yesterday on the national mall in washington, in towns and cities across the country. and that's something that's happened every year since the massacre and parkland. after the florida shooting, the parkland shooting, then governor rick scott signed into law a so-called red flag law, a law that with due process protections makes it possible for local law enforcement to remove a gun or guns from someone who's dmons semonstrate threat. and it's possible that would have helped prevent these mass shootings in buffalo and in uvalde. there's another provision of this framework, dana, that we've just released that includes an expanded waiting period, a background check for anyone 18
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to 21 seeking to buy a long gun. let me just say, there's still a lot of work to do, a lot of way to go but i'm encouraged by today's announcement. >> no question, and i want you to talk about the change in strategy among you and your fellow democrats on this issue. you, apparently led by senator chris murphy of connecticut, decided to basically take what you can get. you need a partner in that strategy and in those negotiations and of course, those are republicans, but to that end, the notion of an assault weapons ban wasn't on the table in these negotiations. even what you just talked about, a federal red flag law wasn't in these negotiations, isn't part of the deal or even raising the age from 18 to 21, i realize that there's, there will be strengthened background checks for young people but simply to raise the age which certainly, i'm sure you wanted, wasn't part of this. talk about the change in how you
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and your fellow democrats approach these gun talks. >> well, dana, over the last decade, there's been attempt after attempt to pass a broader, stronger provision such as you just described. the house just sent over to us a broader and stronger bill that i and i think every democrat in our group would have supported, although i don't speak for all of them. something that would have gotten the support of the majority of democrats, but politics, dana, is the art of the possible. and frankly, it really helps to have senator john cornyn, a conservative aggressive republican from texas. i have legislated with john on a number of issues. the last bipartisan bill relating to gun safety to get to president biden's desk is a bill that senator cornyn and i wrote about and got included in the violence against women act.
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it was the nixon denial notification bill. it's now law. and worked closely with nick's law, it was critically helpful to have senator cornyn, a member of the judicial committee, tough on crime conservative republican making it clear what was possible and what might yet more than ten republican senate votes. he was the whip of the senate republican congress. the person who corrals votes for the leadership, and so he had a very well defined sense. he and senator tillis said what was possible and i think the approach that senator murphy and senator sinema took as they were initially negotiating with tillis and cornyn is, let's explore what's possible and get more than ten republican votes because frankly, to come up short in this moment to deliver literally nothing again was just too hard a prospect to contemplate. >> i want to read you something i got from a republican aide involved in this negotiation
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saying this agreement is in principles, not legislative texts. we don't have the details of this. and it says the details will be critical for republicans particularly, the firearms related provisions. one or more of these principles could be dropped if the text is not agreed to. so it's very delicate still. >> that's right. there's a lot of work still to do to take this framework agreement and reduce it to legislative language. one of the approaches that was followed here was to try as much as possible to take existing pieces of legislation. so, for example, senator blunt have a piece of legislation for significantly expanding community mental health access. there's already a successful demonstration program that they wrote together that exists in ten states. this proposal is part of president biden's budget
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proposal, and it would cost about $7 billion to expand nationally 24/7 access to high quality mental health care. that's one of the key provisions of this, but part of the advantage is that it's a provision that's already well known, well written, clearly has bipartisan support. so there are provisions that will be tricky. there's likely to be a provision around purchasers and increasing some of the penalties. there's likely to be a provision around the definition of what it means to be engaged in the business of selling firearms that would help somewhat with the gun show loophole, for example. those will be difficult. and we shouldn't take a victory lap yet, but i'm so grateful for the leadership that senators like chris murphy and john cornyn have shown in getting us to this point and i'm optimistic that the pressure that we are all feeling from our constituents to act and to
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republicans have no plan, and i think president biden has earned the respect and support of the democrats in congress and across our country. >> senator, just to be clear, your understanding is that president biden will seek another term? >> i'm not here to make the campaign announcement on his behalf, dana, but yes, that's my understanding. right now, he's planning on running for reelection. >> senator chris coons of delaware. one of the negotiators on this framework bipartisan gun deal. i really appreciate you coming on. thank you. >> thank you, dana. and my next guest predicted that president biden's policies would add to inflation, so is the president doing enough now to bring prices back down? that's next. and schedule with, because you can track us and see exactly when we'll be there. >> woman: i i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: that's service that fits your schedule. gogo to >> s singers: ♪ safelite repai, safelite replace. ♪ it's time to get outdoorsy... it's hot!
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welcome back to "state of the union." the average price of gas in the u.s. hit $5 a gallon this weekend according to the aaa, and high fuel costs are in turn increasing the price of consumer goods. the rate of inflation grows to a 40 year high last month. here with me now is former treasury of secretary and economic adviser to many democratic presidents, larry summers. thank you very much for joining me. you have been predicting high inflation since last year. it is at 8.6%. the highest since december of 1981. has it peaked or could it climb even higher? >> depends on president putin and what happens with oil prices. there's a risk that it will rise higher and i don't think it's likely to fall back very, very
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rapidly. feds forecasts have tended to be much too optimistic. i hope they'll recognize fully the gravity of the problem in their forecasts when they meet this week. >> this weekend, gas prices did reach a stunning national average of $5 a gallon. is there anything more the biden administration can actually do to bring those prices down? >> not a lot. the gas price piece of this is driven by the geopolitical developments around ukraine. it's hypocrisy in the extreme when people need to say we need to stand strongly with ukraine, and then blame the administration for the fact that gas prices are higher than they were a year ago. i've been disappointed by some
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of the almost demagogic statements made in that regard. i think there's things we can do about inflation. the president said something very important, did something very important when he met with chairman powell and underscored his respect for the independence of the fed and made clear he thinks the fed needs to do whatever is necessary, even if it's painful to reduce inflation. i've advocated that we need much more strategic tariff policy vis-a-vis china that takes tariffs down and therefore takes prices down for american consumers and for producers. >> should those tariffs be lifted? >> many of them should be. many, many of them should be. we should be focused on what's
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important, not raising input prices for american producers so they're less competitive, which is what much of those tariffs do. instead, we should be focusing on things that allow the leakage of key technologies to china, and the like. we should pass at long last some kind of legislation. ideally, on a bipartisan basis that would raise the vastly excessive trump tax cuts, join the world in taxing corporations adequately, take down prescription drug prices. all of that would operate to reduce inflation. so there's things we can do. if i can step out of my area for one second, i think the banana republicans who are saying what
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happened on january 6th was nothing or okay are undermining the basic credibility of our country's institution, and that, in turn, feeds through for inflation. if you can't trust the country's government, why should you trust its money? i think it's terribly important that we take the temperature down in washington, that we recognize behavior that's just out of bounds of reasonable and decency. we give the fed the room it needs. we bring down the budget deficit. we take down prices directly through prescription drugs. this is a challenge that we can meet, if we're prepared to be serious about taking it on. >> secretary yellen, who has the job you once had, said this week
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that, quote, there is nothing to suggest a recession is in the works. do you agree with that? >> no, i don't. >> you think a recession is in the works? >> i think when inflation is as high as it is right now and unemployment is as low as it is right now, it's almost always been followed within two years by inflation, by recession. i look at what's happening in the stock and bond markets. i look at where consumer sentiment is, i think there's certainly a risk of recession in the next year and where we've gotten to is more likely than not that we'll have a recession within the next two years. that is something we can manage. we've had them for the whole history of the country. we need to be prepared and to respond quickly.
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if and when it happens, but i think the optimists were wrong a year ago in saying we have no inflation, and i think they're wrong now if anyone is highly confident that we're going to avoid recession. >> secretary summers, thank you so much for joining me. appreciate it. >> thank you. and we're here with our panel now. scott jennings, the republican here, i don't know if you wore yellow because you knew he was going to call you a banana republican, but what's your reaction to what he said about the economy and specifically the notion of how mistrust, distrust and government is feeding into the bad economy? >> first of all, i think his words on recession are what we took away from the interview because he was right on inflation calling it transitory or not a real issue, summers was right, he was wrong. i think the biden's credibility is limited and summers has been
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right. so listen to larry summers about these issues because he seems to know more than the secretary of treasury or the president of the united states about it and the economic issues, as a political matter, that's what's killing the democratic party, joe biden, this midterm. this is the dominant issue. as we head towards recession, even if it's not technically one right now, it feels like one to people who are paying 150 bucks to fill up their car. >> congresswoman, you're on the ballot. what do you think? >> i agree that we are facing a tremendous inflation. but what i think is also happening are the democrats, at least house democrats are doing all that they can to combat that for the american people. whether it's passing legislation in the house related to the shortage of baby formula, which got no support, practically, from republicans or price gouging. oil and gas price gouging to combat that. where not one republican
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supported it. we recognize there's an issue and we're doing what's necessary to fight against it. what we are not getting is the support. and down for the american people. on every measure that the experts say are necessary for inflation. >> we're seeing it in the senate over guns and what i worry about, having served in the house for nine terms, i call myself an escapee, the oasis of the wilson center for a decade is that too much of this is the press release designed to blame the other side, and i really think some of these problems are solvable. i saw us miss one when i was there which is letting the federal government bargain for lower drug prices, and the
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mistake there was. president obama decided he needed the support of big pharma and they, of course, were against this, and so he took it out of the bill that we passed, the health care bill and it was a huge missed opportunity and all i'm saying is i agree that these are serious problems. i agree that democrats have a lot of good answers but they don't have all the good answers. where are people who say, as the fellow you interviewed, chris jacobs, where are people who say i'm putting the country first? i just wish he were staying in congress and trying to win again. >> i want to turn to the january 6th hearings. we saw the first one in primetime this past week. we'll see more starting tomorrow morning. alyssa, you worked for mark meadows on capitol hill. you had several jobs in the trump administration. there's testimony that meadows burned papers in his office after meeting with scott perry who was working to challenge the 2020 election. do you think mark meadows destroyed documents? >> i've heard that firsthand,
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i've heard it directly from someone with firsthand knowledge, so i believe the testimony that the committee has. i want to note this, related to the two conversations we're having. someone smarter than myself pointed out that in 1974 during watergate, inflation was 11%. yet congress still investigated the president and was able to work to address inflation and deal with the economy. american voters, we know the midterms are going to be about gas prices, bringing down inflation, consumer costs, but we also need to get to the bottom of what happened on january 6th. we cannot have a corrupt former president who, by the way, i think is going to announce in the coming months that he's in fact running again. get away with what was more or a coup attempt. we need to walk and chew gum, bipartisanship. >> i want to go back to what you said. you do feel confident that, you know that mark meadows, you feel strongly that the person telling you is telling you the truth?
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mark meadows destroyed documents? >> i do and i expect to see that come out in testimony from the committee and again, this goes back to, you know, i was in the house when we wanted to hold secretary clinton accountable for destroying documents and not upholding federal recordkeeping laws. >> mark meadows. >> which was the right thing to do at the time. i think we need to call balls and strikes, it's wrong when democrats do it and republicans do it. >> you worked on the former president's impeachment trial. >> mm-hmm. >> what's your reaction to what you're seeing? >> i think what we're seeing is the flesh and the full body of what the members of the impeachment trial stated. i think we're getting the full plethora of evidence to back up the claims that, one, the president knew that he had lost the election, the president knew that without going through the courts, was not going to give
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him what he wanted and therefore, he needed another means, and that was to use american people to attempt to overthrow the government. and what's more disturbing are individuals and republicans who are not willing to come to the table and negotiate and we're seeing that over and over again in so many instances, not willing to call balls and strikes as the other panelists have said and hold people accountable. >> it's very difficult to watch all this footage again and not feel your blood boiling all over again. i mean, the thing about this issue is, it all happened live on television. we all watched it. it didn't happen behind closed doors. we're not hearing conflicting reports. >> there are a lot of republicans who don't say don't believe your eyes. >> i don't know how you watch the video testimony of officer edwards, completely compelling in what she went through was horrific. how do you watch these things and not come to the conclusion this was a terrible day, somebody caused it and something
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has to come from this? in the term, there's nothing anyone can do about donald trump. he's probably going to run again but in the long term, republicans have to decide, are we going to look to the future here in 2024 and the future of this country or are we going to relitigate the 2020 election in this chaos, again, i would submit it's better for the party to look to the future and put this behind us by acknowledging? >> liz cheney was magnificent in her use of the term dishonor was just chilling. she did a magnificent job, but the footage speaks for itself. no counterfactual that's been offered and i would recommend the members of the committee with the air waves what they did and be better if they put the material on. >> i think one of the greatest things shown by this hearing is hearing the words of trump's inner circle itself.
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it's not coming from democrats. it's coming from those individuals who worked with the president to not just show, of course, we all know that there was a riot. there was an insurrection. but given the evidence that it was the president who directed this and who was the one who instigated it is most important. >> we have to leave it there. a lot more that are in the inner circle in the coming weeks in these hearings. thank you all for the great discussion. since she was shot at a constituent event in 2011, gabbie giffords made it her mission to combat gun violence while supporting gun ownership. she is hopeful that this time could be different. stay with us.
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for just $49.99 a month for 24 months with a 2 -year price guarantee. call today. more than 11 years ago, then congresswoman gabbie giffords shot in the head at a constituent event in tucson, arizona. giffords new life mission combatting gun violence brought her back to the nation's capitol this week to host a gun violence memorial. >> parkland shooting, uvalde, dc, san francisco, too much guns. too much guns. too much guns. >> you survived gun violence. and you're here in a sea of
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flowers representing people who did not survive. >> i'm sad. do not look back. i want to make the world a better place. >> the former arizona congresswoman leads a grassroots organization. giffords. >> fight, fight, fight. >> dedicated to stopping gun violence. the kind that almost took her life during a constituent event in 2011. her mission is simple. >> save lives, save lives, save lives. i think we have made a lot of progress. >> robin lloyd is the organizational director. >> that's what gabby has spent her time doing the last nine or ten years, really trying to draw attention to the issue, use her voice where she can to enact change and we've seen a lot of that happen. >> i interviewed you in 2013, just two years after gun violence almost took your life.
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if you would name the number one thing congress could do to prevent the kind of violence that you were the victim of, what would it be? >> background checks. >> that hasn't happened. >> no, no. the senate, republicans, i don't know. i don't know. divided, divided. really tough. >> that's why we're here today. we're saying it's unacceptable to say we have 45,000 americans dead from gun violence. the senate needs to take action, they need to do something to show the american people that they're hearing the calls for action. >> i'm optimistic. it will be a long haul, but i'm optimistic. >> there's so much common ground on this issue when we talk to americans of all stripes. democrats, republicans, gun owners, veterans. it's really only here in washington that we see the level
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of divide. out in the rest of the country, people agree we can and should do something more and it's not at odds with gun ownership. >> are you staill a gun owner? >> yes, wild, wild west. >> people should have guns, just do it safely. >> yes, yes. >> activism is only part of giffords' life today. >> yoga twice a way. french horns. band lesson. ride my bike. the gym. yo goyo. >> a special experience. >> for you, being an advocate against gun violence, that's every day. >> yes, yes. yes. >> there's so much gun violence happening all the time, it's hard to wrap your head around these numbers. and that's why it's so important that we have the 40,000 white
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roses behind us to represent the 40,000 americans that died from gun violence last year, and now the new 5,000 orange roses to represent the increase in just one year of how many gun deaths we've had in this country. >> too much guns. no more. >> enough is enough. >> thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. fareed zakaria "gps" starts right now. how today's russian ruler is faring in his war against ukraine. >> also, there is widespread agreement now. the iran nuclear deal is almost dead. this week, the


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