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woodrow wilson, coolidge, hoo r hoover, franklin roosevelt -- >> break, break. >> no, truman, eisenhower. >> cooper, you're gone. anderson cooper with ac 360. very close. >> thanks, rainman. good evening. we begin keeping them honest. a strange saga or congressman anthony weiner and what may or may not be an intimate photo of him that came up on twitter. was the photograph of a crotch shot in boxers sent from his twitter account and addressed to a seattle area college student in fact him? >> have you ever taken a picture like this of yourself? >> i can tell you this that there are -- i have photographs, i don't know what photographs are out there in the world of me. i don't know what things have been manipulated and doctored and we're going to try to find out what happened. >> we'll play more of the interview with the congressman
shortly in two parts. he did tell "the new york times," he could not say if he was the person in the picture, in other words, not ruling it out. he does, however, flatly deny sending it. he says his account was hacked. he said it was a prank. the recipient told the new york daily news, quote, there have never been any inappropriate exchanges between anthony weiner and myself, including the tweet picture in question. she's one of about 200 people he follows on twitter. we would love to get her side of the story, but she's been unavailable for comment. a person named dan wolf seems to be the only person who saw the original tweet and retweeted it. before it was taken down. he denies hacking into wiener's account. what's odd is on may 11, someone with the name patriotusa76, a person named dan wolf tweeted --
it was a republican congressman from new york who sent this photo of himself to a woman he found on craigslist and resigned after it became public. we got the photo from gawker. wolf's tweet was sent on may 11th. that was weeks before the picture in question popped up on wiener's twitter page this last friday. yesterday, congressman wiener hoped to be able to put these questions to rest, and as you remember, he had a contentious interview or encounter with cnn's dana bash and ted barrett. here's a sample of yesterday. >> can you say why you haven't asked law enforcement to investigate what you are alleging is a crime? >> you know, dana, if i was giving a speech to 45,000 people and someone in the back of the room threw a pie or yelled out an insult, would i spend the next two hours responding to that? no, i would get back -- >> this is not that situation, though. >> i would get back -- you want to do the briefing? >> answer the question, was it from you or not? >> sir, permit me -- do you want me to finish my answer?
>> yes, this answer. did you send it or not? >> if i were giving a speech to 45,000 people -- >> did you follow her on twitter and if so, how did you find her? what was the reason? >> you know, i have i think said this in a couple of ways, i'm not going to permit myself to be distracted by this issue any longer. >> you said you were hacked. and that's a criminal -- potential crime. >> dana, i'm going to ask that we follow some rules here. one of those is you ask the questions and i'll do the answers. is that reasonable? >> i would love to get an answer. >> you do the questions, i do the answers and this jackass interrupts me, how about that as the new rule of the game? >> today, congressman wiener talked to reporters one on one, but his answers weren't necessarily much clearer. >> you will not flat out deny that that photograph is not you? >> here's what i will say, we're trying to figure out exactly what happened here. >> this is strange. you can't tell me definitively that is a photo of you or it is not a photo of you?
>> here's what -- >> i'm reluctant to say to you definitively anything about this. >> even whether or not it's a photo of you? >> yeah. >> is it possible that photograph was on your blackberry, on your computer, that you or yourself may have taken of you and someone hacked in and took it? >> this is the problem. we could theoretically keep following these questions ad infinitum. >> it sounds like it was a photo of you. >> we're going to try to find out exactly what happened. >> is there a picture of you out there in your drawers that you are worried about? that you can't specifically say it's not you? >> we've been sitting down for a brief moment and you're asking me questions are there pictures of me in my drawers. >> here's part one of what he told wolf blitzer today. >> did you send that picture to that college student in washington state? >> i did not. she says she never got it and doesn't know me. i certainly don't know her. this seems like it was a prank to make fun of my name. when you're named wiener, that happens a lot. i've got 45,000 twitter
followers, hundreds of people that i follow. this seems like a prank that has gotten an enormous amount of attention. >> this is the picture, i'm sure you've seen it by now. is this you? >> i can tell you this, we have a firm that we hired -- i've seen it. we have a firm we've hired to get to the bottom of it. i can tell you this, that photos can be manipulated and one thing changed to look like something else. we're going to try to get to the bottom of this. maybe jon stewart last night had it right unfortunately, but we're going to find out. this has turned into this international who done it. what it is i think is a prank. i'm treating it as a prank. i'm trying to get back to the work i'm trying to do. i understand you want to pursue the story and we're going to try to help you as best we can. >> we want to resolve it once and for all. you would know if this is your underpants, correct? >> the question is -- i appreciate you continuing to flash that at me. i've said the best i can, we're
going to try to get to the bottom of what happened here. i want to caution you, and you understand this, you're a pro, that photographs can be manipulated, photos can be doctored, and i want to make sure that we know for sure what happened here. it certainly doesn't look familiar to me, but i don't want to say with certitude to you that i don't know would be the certain truth. but i do know some certain truths here. but i didn't send any twitter picture. the person who it was allegedly sent to didn't get it. she put out a statement saying as much. i don't know her, she doesn't know me. it seems to me this is what goes on in the internet world, in the social media world of 2011 that sometimes these things happen. hundreds of thousands of times, just about every week, people have spam and hacking that goes on. it seems like i was the victim of that, and i don't consider it that big a federal offense, but people want to pay attention to it and i get it. when you're named wiener, it goes with the territory.
>> have you ever taken a picture like this of yourself? >> i can tell you this, i have photographs. i don't know what photographs are out there in the world of me. i don't know what things have been manipulated and doctored and we're going to try to find out what happened. but the most important reason why i want to find out what happened is to make sure it doesn't happen again. obviously someone got access to my account, that's bad. they sent a picture that makes fun of the name wiener. i get it. touche. you got me. at the time it happened, i tweeted right away that i got the joke and i continued on with my life, and i think that frankly that's what i would encourage everyone to do. i don't believe this is a big federal issue. but people are free to pursue it if they want. >> but you would like to get to the bottom of it, so have you asked capitol hill police or any new york police or fbi or law enforcement to investigate? >> have i called the cops or the fbi because someone sent spam? no. however, i did get a law firm who specializes in these things,
who specializes in white collar crime, and they're going to get an internet security expert to get to the bottom of how we secure my account. >> did you send private messages to this woman in washington state? >> i'm going to -- look, i'm not going to get into how i communicate with people on social media and open the door to like did i send someone a note that said, thank you for following me, please tune in to my website in the future. i don't want to open the door to you saying what about this person, what did this person say. all i can say is, there was nothing, as she said, inappropriate. there's standard communication people have on social media. i tweet all the time. i've got thousands -- 45,000 followers, more than any other member of congress. it's a playful, combative feed. i encourage people to sign up at rep wiener. and this is what happens, people zing you back. and that's what happened in this case. >> do you do all your personal tweeting or do your staff members do also? >> i do, with some limited
exceptions we have, a firm sometimes links to it, but i do, it's got my voice. >> does anybody else have your pass code? >> well, that's one of the things we're going to be looking into. not that i know of, but as i tweeted that night, i have had problems with access to my facebook account and perhaps i had to change that act a few times, and we're going to find out what happened. i don't know, you know. i fear we're going to find out that perhaps security here was not particularly good, and maybe it's going to turn out to be a worse situation than it looks right now. now it looks like a prank. we're treating it like a prank. we're desperately trying to get back to business, and that's why we're sitting down today. >> here's what raised suspicion. on may 27th, you tweeted this, you were about to be on msnbc. you said, heading to 30 rock to chat with rachel at 9:00. and then you said, that's 5:45 in seattle, i think. the woman in question here was in seattle. >> it's a terrible coincidence and that's all it is. frankly, i didn't know the girl
was in seattle from her feed. look, let me say this, in the past on my twitter feed, i had done a similar joke about other cities. >> why seattle? >> it was a pure coincidence. i have no idea. part of the twitter ethos is their playful, dopey things. i don't think it was 5:45 in seattle. it was a pure coincidence, and frankly, you know, it's questions like this or why i was a little bit testy yesterday. at what point does the line get drawn where you say, you know what? this is just ridiculous now. you want to look at my twitter feeds and you find some times i referenced seattle. i tweet thousandses of times, and a lot of things i say are very combative about republicans. i'm a very feisty -- >> i follow you on twitter. >> you know how i lean into it and take pokes at them all the time. you know, much more reasonable line of questioning would be like, maybe someone punked him back to get even for all of those times.
that's what i thought at the time. there's a level of this, wolf, that has gotten crazy. maybe i contributed to it by maybe not being direct about it. maybe the statements i put out saturday and sunday didn't do having the gaggle of cameras follow my wife and i on sunday didn't do the trick. i came here yesterday wanting to talk about the debt limit and tokyo reform. >> part two of the interview coming up. wolf asks is the congressman protecting anyone. and this. >> back on march 13th, a woman named ginger lee, who is a stripper apparently, she tweeted this. i'll put it up on the screen. you know it's a good day when you wake up to a dm from @repwiener. i'm a fan girl, y'all. he's my trifecta of win. do you have any idea who this woman is? >> his answer is coming up next. let us know what you think. we're on facebook or on twitter @ anderson cooper. i'll be tweeting tonight, but i'm not sending any photos. later, syria and a twist in
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talking about a text savvy democratic congressman anthony wiener and the photograph that was posted on his twitter account and one of his twitter followers who retweeted the photograph after tweeting weeks before. and the blogger with questionable credibility, andrew brightbart, has run with the story. at the end of the day, fair or not, many of the questions and most of the talk are being fueled by congressman wiener himself and how he's been handling this. here's part two of his interview with wolf blitzer. >> back on march 13th, a woman named ginger lee, a stripper apparently, tweeted this, and i'll put it on the screen --
>> do you have any idea who this woman is? were you sending her direct messages? >> this is another person who i have gotten dragged into this for no reason other than she was following me, and asked to be followed by me. i think what this is about is a fairly pro-forma thing that goes out that i send out to people as i follow them. thank you for following me. please check in at anthonywiener.com. i don't know who the woman is. i followed her for a moment, and then someone started tweeting that anthony wiener is following someone in that industry and i immediately, not wanting to cause trouble for her -- >> did you send her a direct message? >> most likely, what she's referring to is a pro-forma thing, thank you for following me. please stay tuned to anthonywiener.com for other things. i want to ask you, does this
person, what did she do beyond tweet something that she's a follower of mine? you can probably find hundreds of people that do that. i would hope that you would leave these people alone. >> i guess one of the other questions is you deleted some photos from your twitter account. why did you do that? >> i had no idea what happened and i was a little freaked out by it. so i deleted everything. >> did you ask followers to delete photos from your twitter account? >> from my facebook account? >> no, from your twitter account. >> no, i haven't. i'll tell you what happened that night. i was literally there tweeting about hockey, for those of you that follow my twitter, my bloody tivo didn't record a and so i missed the end of the tampa bay hockey game. i'm a big hockey fan and i tweet about hockey. and i see this thing pop up and i immediately delete it. i immediately delete the photo. i thought i deleted. i'm not 100% sure. and then without any password or anything, i was able to get into the account where the photograph
was hoged, somehow, and i deleted that and other photographs that were in there, as well. although there was nothing very controversial in there, but i deleted everything and i immediately tweeted my system has been hacked, darn it. >> are you protecting anyone? >> yes. >> who? >> i'm protecting my wife, who every day is waking up to these insane stories that are getting so far from reality. we've been married less than a year. to watch her watch these stories gets crazier and crazier about what is essentially a prank, a hoax. we went to bed that night not batting an eye. this is a goofy thing that happened. she married a congressman. she knows a little something about living in public life. she knows with that goes a certain amount of aggravation. i don't think she imagined it would be this, bizarre stories about people who are connected to me by eight or nine rings of connection on social media. i'm protecting her the best i can. >> we're going to leave it on
that note. just to recap, you didn't send that photo to that woman in washington state? >> i did not send it to that woman in washington state. >> but you're not 100% sure whether the photo is of you? >> we're doing everything we can to answer that question, but we're doing an investigation. i just want to caution you, photographs can be doctored and manipulated and taken from one place and put in another. and i want to make it clear, this is in my view, not a federal case. in my view, this is not an international conspiracy. this is a hoax and i think people should leave it that way. >> and you're still leaving open the possibility of going to law enforcement? >> as i've said a couple times in this interview, i've left this in the hands of people that know this stuff far better than i. i'm not treating it like a federal case. it looks to me like what it is. when your name is wiener, people do wiener jokes about you on the internet all the time. people get hacked and people's identities get blurred all the time. and so i'm leaving it to the investigation but i'm not treating it like a federal case.
>> congressman, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> you should have done this yesterday, by the way. >> touche. >> wolf joins us now with paul begala and gloria borger. wolf, it's interesting what you said at the end about he should have done this yesterday. do you think today he did well by himself to do these one on one interviews? >> yes. i think he did much better today than he did yesterday. yesterday was a disaster for him when he started giving a ranting speech every time dana asked him a serious question, he would go some sort of talking points. and it just looked like he was stone walling, wouldn't answer what were basically simple questions. he could have said yesterday what he said today, i did not send that picture via twitter to that woman in washington state. he said that flatly today. he should have said it yesterday. he acknowledges that. he's leaving open slightly the possibility that that picture may in fact have been him. he says he doesn't think it is, but he's leaving that open slightly.
what is apparent -- >> which i think raises a lot of eyebrows, like how can you not know whether or not there's a picture of you? obviously from that angle, it's an intimate picture. >> right, and that raises a lot of questions. it might be a picture of him, then again, at the same time, he may not have tweeted that picture. apparently there are all sorts of ways that others can manipulate, he was hinting at this, where you can take a picture out there, and send it under someone else's name. he used apparently this internet service, this twitter service called wi-frog. and it's not that hard, appar t apparently, experts tell me, to get a pictured and send it out under someone else's twitter name and make it look like that picture was sent. so he may have a good point there. we're doing more investigating on this, anderson, to come up with the answer whether or not he sent it or someone else and whether or not that was actually him. i think he's embarrassed
obviously by some of the people he was following on twitter. >> gloria, does this story matter? i'm getting a lot of e-mails from people saying what are you doing even covering this story? i guess if it was a conservative congressman, i wonder if the liberals saying that would feel the same way. but does this story matter? so what if this is a picture of him? >> right. and i think in the grand scheme of things, it's not a huge story compared to the kinds of stories that we've been covering over the last couple of months. it's not a huge story at all. to me, it raises an interesting question though, anderson, about politicians and tweeting. i think what you get when politicians tweet or when their staff tweets for them, is a couple of things. one of the things you get is this kind of false sense of intimacy that people might feel, and you saw that in those tweets, about a politician, a member of congress. even somebody on television,
right? and the relationship might be a little odd, a little dangerous, if you will, and a little inappropriate sometimes. and i think that politicians use tweeting to their benefit, because they can say, watch me on television tonight, i'm going to be on this show. or come to my event or logon to my website or use it like sarah palin does, which is to get her thoughts out without having us question her. but the flip side of that is, something a little odd, and i think when i heard the congressman talk about his playfulness on twitter and his feistiness on twitter, that may be good but sometimes it might not be. >> paul, what do you think of all this? should the congressman continue talking about this or can he now move on that he did all these interviews? >> wake me when we have a real sex scandal, anderson. you know, this is -- please. >> paul, if this was a
conservative republican, would you be saying the same thing? >> yes. who allegedly had a picture of him taken in his underwear and someone hacked his account and sent it out? i do think the apparent hacking of a congressman's account, maybe it's more of a story. this is the democrat in me. it is a right wing blogger who was pushing this and a pretty unreliable one at that, which momma always said, consider the source. i think he did a very good job. he gave wolf a very good interview, answered every question the best he could. would not or could not answer, yeah, that's me. okay, so what, who cares? i think he's credible when he said i didn't send it. plenty of liberal bloggers have replicated this hacking today. they've been in there saying look, this is plausible. i'm not techie, i have no idea, i don't tweet. so this is beyond me. but i just think, you know, when the dow drops 279 points today, the career ending scandal could be the governor of new jersey who is taking a state helicopter
apparently yesterday to go see his kid's baseball game. i mean, that's the thing that voters get furious about, spending $2,500 an hour of state money to take a helicopter to your kid's baseball game. what anthony wiener is even accused of doing, even if true, is just nothing. >> wolf, if it is true that this account was hacked or if this was a prank, wouldn't it be something the police should be involved with? >> well, it could be a crime, there's no doubt about that. normally, and i checked with capitol hill police and others, the aggrieved party, in this case it would be congressman anthony wiener, has to file a formal complaint that would launch an investigation. i can understand why he doesn't want to do that. that would open up the tweets and taking a look at all that, there would be depositions. you start an investigation like this on capitol hill or fbi or new york city police, you don't know where it's going to wind up. he makes a fair point, i don't want to make a federal case out of this, somebody hacked in. it's not apparently all that
difficult to hack into a twitter account through one of these other servers or whatever and get a picture that looks like you tweeted it but came from someone else. he says, you know what? it happened, it's over with. i can understand why he doesn't want a big formal investigation, even if a crime may have been committed, he says it's not worth the headache to him. >> we'll leave it there. wolf, appreciate it. paul, thanks. gloria, as well. coming up, men who say they're the father and uncle of the 13-year-old boy tortured to death by syrian security forces, speaking out on syrian state television. it's sad to watch. you're not going to believe what they're saying. actually praising syria's dictator and his violent regime. we'll explain what is making them do that. also ahead tonight, at least two tornadoes hit western massachusetts. the pictures are incredible, including the city of springfield. the latest on the damage coming up. nnouncer ] breathe, socket. just breathe. we know it's intimidating. instant torque. top speed of 100 miles an hour. that's one serious machine.
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let's check in with isha sesay. isha? at least four people were killed when two tornadoes swept through western massachusetts this evening, hitting springfield and as many as 19 other communities. the governor says there are many injuries and extensive damage, and the national guard is helping with search and rescue. all of the people missing after the devastating tornado in joplin, missouri have now been found or confirmed dead. at one point, more than 1,300 people were reported missing. on wall street, it was the worst day of the year so far. the dow jones plunged 279 points, the biggest drop since last august. and s & p and nasdaq each fell
2.3%. and anderson, remember the balloon boy hoax? well, the balloon is for sale. richard heene says he's auctioning off his creation -- >> oh, no. >> oh, yes. he's auctioning it to raise money for the victims of the japanese earthquake and tsunami. >> all right. i'll give him a pass, i guess. maybe. still ahead, was the father of this syrian 13-year-old boy coerced into making a video praising the very regime that seems responsible for killing his own son? it's a shocking crime, the murder of this child. to add insult to injury, now the family is being asked to appear on syrian state television praising the very regime. details ahead. what's up, smart? oh, just booked a summer vaycay. ooo. sounds pricey? nah, with the hotels.com summer sale,
keeping them honest tonight, a disturbing new video from syria put out by the regime featuring two men who identify themselves as the father and uncle of hamza al khateeb. hamza was a 13-year-old boy who, he used to look like this before he was taken by security forces at a protest rally a month ago. his family didn't know where he was for an entire month. last week they got their little boy delivered to them by the government, but he was dead. what i'm going to show you next
is hard to watch but it tells you a lot and what syria's regime does to its own people. this is how hamza came home. he reportedly had multiple gunshot wounds. cigarette burns covering his body, kneecaps shattered and his penis cut off. officially, however, the syrian regime says this did not happen to the 13-year-old boy. a pathologist who did the autopsy said what you see is simply the result of body decomposition. a relative made the video of his broken and bruced body. we showed you this last night. they were met with outrage around the world and inside syria. sources say after the video was posted on youtube, syria's military detained hamza's father and uncle. and now two men who say they are hamza's father and uncle, we can't say for sure they are, showed up on syrian state television praising syria's dictator and the brutal regime. in this video, the father speaks first. >> translator: what can i say? best president ever. thank god he gave us everything ever asked for.
the first thing is, he promised us reforms. god willing, they will come soon, tomorrow or the day after. i mean, these reforms are for the citizens and they have been well received. and we were very happy with the president. the president is very close to the people, and he's offered them a lot, and he's said, god willing, he will give even more. >> translator: the syrian nation doesn't care to listen to outside media. we received hamza from a general hospital and the reports were from all legitimate medical reports. the official report and the picture was written by the attorney general. there were four reports and investigations. the president addressed the committee today to fully investigate the issue to get the truth. it's like he's his own son. there's nothing more to say. >> translator: he considers him his son. he wants to be sure of the words we are hearing. >> we don't know if the family of hamza was threatened to get
of 15 young boys accused of painting anti-regime graffiti slogans. boys like hamza. the release of their bruised and bloodied bodies up leashing outrage. i spoke earlier with human rights activist razan zaytouni, who has been our window into syria for weeks. she's in hiding tonight. as she has been for weeks. her husband has already been taken, disappeared. no word of him. she's speaking out at great risk to her own life. razan, syrian state television is now claiming that hamza died from three bullet wounds during a demonstration back on april 29th, and they say a medical
report by a syrian official confirms that and said that the body showed no sign of torture or bruising or violence. are they just lying? >> translator: first of all, who believes the syrian tv or syrian media in general? the media, which since the beginning of the revolution, which is practicing all kinds of lies and instigating syrians against each other and accused syrians who participate in this process to be criminals or to be terrorists, et cetera. nobody believes this media, which has no credibility at all. second, this is not the first time they do the same, to kill and humiliate the families and for them to say that only criminals did bad for their son. >> and it seems that's what they're doing with hamza's family. his father and uncle appeared on state television yesterday, reportedly after meeting with president assad.
and they said the medical report was legitimate and hamza's father said that assad is "the best president ever." how is it that they make these people go on television and say these things? >> by terrifying people. we heard about this before it happened. we got a report that they went to the family's house and they arrested the father and everybody knew then that the next day we will see somebody from the family to say that the regime didn't kill our son. >> president assad has said that they're going to grant amnesty to protesters. as we talked about yesterday, his definition of amnesty, is people who got the death penalty, maybe they'll be reduced to life at hard labor. but syrian observatories and human rights says some 500 political prisoners have been released. have you gotten any word from your husband? has he been released? he was taken weeks ago.
>> no, not my husband, and also none of my friends who are in detention right now. none of them have been released yet until this moment. and i just want to tell you how it's painful for thousands of families who are waiting to be for their sons to be released now. because they don't know if their sons will be released or not. >> what keeps you going? you're in hiding, you're at risk of being arrested at any moment. what keeps you going? >> we have a dream. this is a dream of freedom, of dignity that you feel you are a human being and dealt with in a proper way as a human being in your country. we are fed up. we want all of this to end. it's our moment, and we will continue until the end no matter how we suffer now, because what we are suffering now we have
because actually always we are suffering. we have been suffering for decades now. but now the difference is this moment all syrians are saying it's enough. all syrians want this to end. >> razan zaytouni, stay safe. thank you. in this new report, human rights watch says if syria doesn't stop killing its people, the u.n. security council should refer president assad to the international criminal court. the australia's foreign minister said that time has already come. joining me now, ann marie slaughter, professor at princeton, also professor fouad ajami, a senior fellow at the hoover institution. fouad, you see what happened to that little boy and to see his father, if that is in fact his father, appearing on state television, given what has happened in the past, the idea that he was coerced is not far-fetched. >> well, look, anderson, assad
has crossed the rubicon. the murder of children, you also have unicef basically talking about the abuse of children, the killing of children, the murder of children has been part and parcel of the practice of this regime. are these indeed the parents -- the father and uncle of the poor boy? we don't know. and if they are there, we know why they're there. they are terrified and they have other things to worry about. we know they have other members of the family to worry about. so i think the mask has fallen and we can see what this man is all about. the dream that he was a reformer, the ideal that he will change, the ideal he will break with his father. i think the syrian people are beginning to in a way think about a future beyond assad. today they're meeting in turkey, syrian opposition, to think about a new syria, and that's what this is about. >> ann marie, have the protests gotten to the point where they really threaten the regime? it doesn't seem like they're wide enough or deep enough at this point. >> they haven't been yet.
but on the other hand, they can't be stopped. the government has used obviously horrific detention and torture. they've sent in the army in daraa. and yet the protesters keep coming out on the streets. and i do think hamza helps crystallize all that rage, and it may help shift the political balance of power. at some point the upper middle class, the merchant class may decide this has gone too far. at this point, you cannot deny the horrific brutality of a man who presents himself as a reformer and has two young sons -- two young children himself, the facts won't lie. >> and fouad, to see -- every night to be talking to someone like razan zaytouni, i am so moved by her courage.
you see those pictures of other little children out on the streets carrying pictures of hamza. what razan said i thought was interesting, that the regime for years has sent back the bodies of people they tortured as a warning. in the past, they have wanted people to see and perhaps that's why they released hamza's body and just didn't make him disappear. but they seem to have miscalculated. >> look, anderson, the theme from your own coverage has been about fear, and whether fear has been defeated, whether fear could be reinstated. what assad is trying to do is frighten his people again. he is very surprised by the daring of these people, by the defiance of his people. he couldn't believe they would come out into the streets and destroy the statues of his father and they would destroy his own statues. this is almost kind of a north korea cult regime in many ways. >> his father killed more than 10,000 people, plenty more than that. >> exactly. and when bashar came to power in
2000, the dream was, this is a new man, a modern man, a western educated man and that he will change. and i think that dream really persisted. it persisted in washington. it persisted in other places. and now i think this is now a moment of reckoning. this man has crossed the rubicon and this regime is completely exposed. >> it's so frustrating to see the strength of these people and we get tweets about this all the time, what can we do? what can the u.s. do? what can the international community do? is there more to be done? >> there is more to be done. the human rights watch report, which i recommend everyone should read, it's very powerful, lays out a list of things that the u.n. security council can do, that the arab league can do. a lot of this is diplomatic condemnation, but diplomatic condemnation expresses the weight of the international community, and that then can be
a basis for global sanctions. the eu and the u.s. have targeted sanctions, but human rights watch calls for targeted travel and economic sanctions against individuals. thereby possibly causing defections, changing the political balance and ultimately, anderson, we have the weapon that you always use, which is truth, which is keeping them honest, it is holding a mirror to the syrian government and showing the world what the syrian people see rather than what the syrian government says. and that is a powerful weapon when it's really up to people to find the courage to take to the streets and the world not being able to deny the truth. >> it's frustrating, fouad, because all the diplomats who run around in slick cars and suits, they're not talking, they won't appear, won't be subjected to interviews. they don't want to have to publicly defend this regime. >> they've gone into a very different world. the problem with the syrian
regime, it still has assets. let's be honest about this. if we go to the security council, both the russians and the chinese will not be with us. if you go to the arab league, you will realize that the syrian regime and the arabs circles of power, as opposed to someone like gadhafi, who in many ways was abandoned, the arab league broke with him, the arab league is very welcome to take on the syrian regime. so we face a situation -- i've always believed that in many ways the syrian people are alone in the struggle against this despot, and the syrian regime has been able to ins insiniate the argument that they were for him or the brotherhood, but the first item, the weapon of truth, it's not either bashar assad or chaos. there's a real choice in syria. syria is a mercantile society. it has a deep tradition and decent people. they deserve a chance. this is what we need to be able to see, that it's not -- we
don't have this stark choice of either bashar or chaos. >> right. fouad, great to have you on again. ann marie slaughter as well. thank you so much. there are other stories in the world. sometimes you really need them. just ahead, he was lurking at the denver airport. this is something to make you smile at the end of the night. it's been a pretty tough couple of days. a really bizarre, one of the more stranger people we've ever put on the "ridicu-list." stay tuned.
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continuation of my series on the denver international airport, especially the murals and the art contained therein. because they are evil, they are signs of satanism, and on this program, i will point out that many of them are phallic symbols. >> say what now? i know what you're thinking. this sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory from some loon on the internet. but before we rush to judgment, let's hear the man out. because it happens that he has some evidence. oh, yeah. >> this sign on the penguin's cage constitutes a phallic symbol. please notice the latin name for this bird includes the word impennis. that is not accidental. the bird standing upright is phallic. the shape of the sign is phallic, and even the name is phallic. >> all right, so he was able to find one example, big deal. it doesn't prove -- what? oh, he's found another example. role the tape.
>> many of the shapes on the horse's tail and mane are fa phallic shapes. >> all right, two examples. big deal. it's not like the whole outdoor baggage handling area is in the shape of a phallic. >> the outdoor baggage handling area is in the shape of a phallic. let's take a closer look. up here we see the testicle area. and out here the phallus. >> imagine what he sees in the clouds. i don't find william's argument all that convincing and i'm disappointed because i looked into his catalog of work. and generally his theories are spot-on. >> you will not be raptured if you are using condoms. the topic of this program is why a woman should not be president of the united states. the news media is demonic. michelle obama dressed up as a leopard in this year's white house halloween party. i thought this was very unusual.
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