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appears to be a real defense by a man who had a real shot at being the next president of france. well, tomorrow in "outfront," newt gingrich, we'll see you at 7:00 and 11:00. as always, anderson cooper 360 starts right now. erin, thanks very much. good evening, everyone. we begin tonight with leading republicans scrambling to stop what newt gingrich calls armageddon in the south carolina primary and beyond to stop it before their front runners suffer. their brand suffers, and maybe their chances in november suffer. they're telling the candidates to tone down the attacks on mitt romney especially on his record of bain capital. not all the candidates are. today, fox news and conservative talk radio were full of big-name republicans pleading for restraint. >> you pick up the phone as soon as you're done here in two minutes. you say to newt what? >> what the hell are you doing, newt? you believe what -- i expect
this from -- this is what saul taught barack obama and the stuff you're saying is one of the reasons we're in the trouble we're in right now. this total ignorant populist view of the economy that was proven to be incorrect with the soviet union, with chinese communism. >> also today, president of the chamber of commerce called the republican front-runner foolish. saying i was very disappointed with the intramural carrying on within the republican party. michael steele also scolding speaker gingrich and rick perry for their attack on romney's record at bain. >> it sounds as if you're attacking, you know, capitalism and the free-market system, and that's not what we're about. so to attack that to me is inconsistent with who we are and what we believe. >> governor perry has dialed
back his rhetoric. he was calling romney a vulture capitalist. he's not using that term anymore. that line of attack cost him the support of a prominent investor and south carolinian who likened it to hearing fingernails on the black board. he switched his support to mitt romney. jon huntsman is still slugging away. >> when you have that candidate who talks about enjoyment in firing about people. who talks about pink slips, who makes comments that seem to be so detached from the problems that americans are facing today, that makes you pretty much unelectable. >> that's governor huntsman. keeping them honest. so just a day ago at the university of south carolina, he was urging his fellow republicans to lay off bain capital and job cuts. he was quoted in the "washington post" as saying, if you had creative destruction in capitalism, which has always been a part of capitalism, it becomes disingenuous to take on bain capital. and the next day he does. speaker gingrich, meantime was
defending himself on fox today, as well. >> that's not an issue about the whole capitalist system. that is a question about a particular style of activity involving a very -- we're not talking about the system. we're talking about somebody who is running for president of the united states and we're asking a question about his judgment, his values, the choices he made. >> so speaker gingrich is not backing down yet, neither is the super pac supporting him. it's running a half hour documentary-style infomercial. keeping them honest, independent fact checkers have identified many errors and distortions in the film, including this. >> cash rampage would ultimately slash jobs in nearly every state in the country. like popular children's toy store kb toys. romney and bain bought the 80-year-old company in 2000, loaded them with millions in debt, then used the money to
repurchase bain's stock, the debt was too staggering. by 2004, 365 stores had closed. romney called it creative destruction. >> well, keeping them honest, though, in 2000 when bain bought kb toys, mitt romney was already gone. he left to run the salt lake city olympics. when he was talking about creative destruction, he was talking about capitalism in general. not to say the job creation was bain or any other private capital firm for that matter. they're in it to get the most return for their investors. that's how it works and themselves. and often that means handing out pink slips. joining me is james carville. if democrats had this much infighting at this point in a primary, would you tell them to knock it off? >> i would certainly try to. you know, 2008 was awfully tepid, like i like you well
enough, hillary, compared to this. this is pretty rough stuff going on. >> you say you and the romney camp always expected to get hit on this topic. did you expect it, though, from your own side? >> no, we never expected from our own side. we always expected that the left would raise it in the general election and come after us. but to have a conservative, someone who claims to be the conservative in the race to be coming after us by basically joining the war against capitalism and attacking mitt romney for his private sector successes is amazing. >> we've already seen, james, one big perry backer jump to the romney side over these attacks. could this work in romney's favor? >> i don't think so. and i think the next -- will be calling romney to release all the government help that bain got. i think you're going to see a lot of subsidies they got, tax credits. they were pretty aggressive in lobbying this stuff. i think the idea that he was some kind of a pure capitalist
is not going to match up with the facts in this case. >> romney talks more about his job creation in bain than he does about his job record as governor of massachusetts. but bain isn't in the job creation business. they're in the profit-making business. i mean, their job at bain is to give an above-average return to their investors. was it a mistake to make job creation the message out of his time at bain? >> no, because what they focused on was two areas. the entrepreneurs had ideas they thought they could launch into good, big businesses. they'd come to bain and need the funding. it was the funding that helped them get started like staples and sports authority created jobs, likewise, companies would go to them and say, look, we're having trouble, can you help us out? they come in, they may have to do remanagement, they have to analyze and see if they thought they could make a success out of this business. they only invested when they thought they could turn the businesses around or really have some future. give them some real future.
and so it's about creating jobs if they were successful. it wasn't always successful, but most of the time it was. >> james, do you buy that argument? i mean, if you look at the perspective for bain or any of these private equity funds, you know, if you're thinking about investing in a private equity fund, you don't go into it because you want to help people create jobs, you go into it because you think you're going to get an above average return however it happens. >> he chose to -- but he's doing it to put job creation at issue. if you put job creation at issue, you can't be petulant and whine that people are putting job destruction at issue. bain is going to cause romney some pain, there's no doubt about it. he's the one that put it forward and put job creation as opposed to creation at issue. >> what about releasing record? they don't have to release this stuff. it's hard to know what is correct and what is true.
he said we created 100,000 jobs, but when you start to actually look down at those numbers, they don't really add up. >> well, if you look at four of the big companies that really did well that he was involved in, sports authority and you look up the -- the other -- other three out there, the children's center. you can see staples. you can go right into the records, they're all public. >> jobs were created many years after bain stopped being involved and -- >> i agree. >> it's net net 100,000 jobs compared to -- >> he -- anderson, in his numbers, he said because of what we did, this is what happened. and he acknowledges many of the jobs have been created since he left. but if you don't have people who will help fund these companies struggling or new ideas, you're not going to create jobs. it's what the private sector is all about. free market. he has been enormously successful. the record shows it. >> james, more transparency?
>> yes, yes. not only that, sarah palin says he should release his income taxes. the only candidate in modern times to refuse to do that. maybe bay has a good reason as to why mitt romney like ronald reagan released his tax returns. why won't mitt romney? do you have any idea? >> it's a personal decision on his part, it's not required. and he's chosen not to. >> he won't be transparent about sarah palin says she should and sarah palin says -- isn't she a heroine? >> what she says is fine, that's her opinion, she has a right to it. the key is so many of these companies we're talking about, the record is public. people are -- >> no -- >> even obama's own adviser says there's no question he created jobs. that's something the president of the united states has not been able to do. >> he refuses to be transparent about that just as he refused to be transparent on tax returns. please don't attack president obama for not being transparent
when he's not transparent unlike any other president in modern times. >> who can really come into the white house, turn this country around, create the jobs, has the knowledge and expertise and leadership to turn this country around? clearly obama has failed miserably, and the record of mitt romney is an enormous success. >> how much joy does it give you to use sarah palin's argument in your favor? obviously a lot. i can tell. >> i couldn't wait for you to bring it up. >> james carville, bay buchanan, thank you. >> thank you. >> he did seem to be glowing. let us know what you think, we're on facebook, google, follow me on twitt twittetwitter twitter @andersoncooper. up next, another iranian nuclear scientist killed. there have been others. so who is killing these guys off? iran is blaming the united states and israel.
we'll talk with fran townsend and bob bair. four released before a judge stopped it, now four are missing could soon be the subject of a nationwide man hunt. we have the latest on a real mess. and later for the second anniversary of the haiti earthquake, we return there to look for progress. also the frequent tragic and totally preventable lack of progress. sean penn joins us, as well. anderson, one day after french journalist is killed in syria, the blame game of who's responsible has begun. nic was on the scene moments before it all happened. we'll have the latest from there when "360" continues. i'd race down that hill without a helmet.
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magnetized bomb and blows the scientist to bits. secretary of state clinton disavows any american connection to the attack. and later today so did leon panetta. >> we were not involved in any way, in any way with regards to the assassination that took place there. i'm not sure who was involved. we have some ideas as to who might be involved, but we don't know exactly who was involved. but i can tell you one thing, the united states was not involved. >> sounds pretty clear, right? but here's where it gets murky. a source close to panetta tells cnn's barbara starr that you cannot, and repeat cannot, infer from anything the secretary says. and then there's the israelis who don't normally comment, but this time the spokesperson did weigh in. he says i don't know who took aim on the iranian scientist,
but i did not shed a tear. the iranians said this is real cloak and dagger stuff emerging into the sunlight. joining us now is fran townsend, a member of the cia external advisory committee. in addition, we should point out in the name of full disclosure, fran and other national security officials want the state department to take an iranian opposition group off the terrorist list. the european union has done so, that's the disclaimer. also joining us, former cia officer robert baer, he and his wife co-authors of "a company we keep." i'm fascinated by this story, trying to figure out who did it. this is not the first iranian scientist who suddenly gets killed in iran. >> right, this is, i think if i'm keeping track right, i think this is four. >> right. so if you're trying to disrupt the iranian nuclear program, this is one very direct way to do that? >> absolutely. you've taken out four key
players and managed by doing that to also intimidate the whole body of the iranian nuclear infrastructure who will all be frightened they're going to be targeted next. >> so who do you think is behind this? >> well, you know, look, you have to -- we tend to report things as they happen, right? you report incidents, journalists. but look at the larger context. go back to the plot, the iranian plot to kill the saudi ambassador here in the united states. we've recently just this week the iranians have convicted an american from michigan accusing him as a spy and sentencing him to his death. >> former marine who his family says was visiting his grandmothers in iran. >> in the meantime, the u.s. navy has fished several -- at least a dozen iranian sailors out of the iranian gulf. and so what you see is this increasing tension, right? there's a whole series of these activities. it's not clear to us who's responsible or if they're related. but i must tell you, in the world of foreign policy and
national security, this is exactly the sort of -- as you put it cloak and dagger. it's a chess game. there are moves and counter moves. you hope in this game of chess that one side or the other doesn't overreact. >> bob, what do you think? we're talking about a magnetized bomb placed on a car by a moving motorcycle. this is stuff out of movies. >> it's complicated. especially in a city like tehran. the police are everywhere. it's an authoritarian regime. this is very hard to do, it's very hard to train somebody reliablely to put a bomb like that, get away, not get caught and i could go on and on and on. it's a very complicated operation. it suggests the state was behind it or a very, very capable group. i myself think it was some sort of dissident group, perhaps at the behest of israel. i know it's not the united states, there is no lethal finding against iran, that kind of operation would leak out and
we wouldn't get these kind of denials that we've gotten out of the administration today. >> bob, i think back to -- remember, i think it was a hit on a -- i can't remember who the hit was on, but i think it was by a number of israelis in dubai that was videotaped from all different angles as they came into the country and came into the hotel and viewed as a fiasco of an operation. this would be an even more complicated operation as you said, i mean tehran, there are police everywhere. there are people watching everything. i walked out of my hotel without a government minder, i got arrested within half an hour in tehran and held for four days. the idea that -- >> i did too. i did too. i was there a couple of years ago. they stopped me every couple of blocks and issued us an i.d. card that was very sophisticated. you just can't wander around that town. it was clearly iranians who did this. >> the idea that the cia could get operative into iran to do an operation like this, which would
involve many people, i find hard to imagine. >> now what i think it is is a provocation. the iranian nuclear program will go on. it's obviously hurt by this. people are scared, intimidated. it's a humiliation to iran, and i'm afraid of this leadership in their attempt, a couple other things, the arrest of an fbi agent, of their overreacting, and i agree totally with fran. we could see an escalation that looks very much like a war very quickly. >> escalation is a concern? >> yes, absolutely. and that's why it's not clear to us looking from the outside whether or not which of these are related and who the actors are. but the problem with that is as the tensions rise, the -- the opportunity for an overreaction which could then result in an overt war increases. and so it's a pretty dangerous cat and mouse game that's going on here. it looks like the united states is trying to take some of the tension out by the rescue of the
iranian sailors. but a lot of this will have to do with how do they treat especially this young man -- this former marine from michigan? >> and bob, if a group like -- if the secret service in israel was wanting to do something with this, they wouldn't necessarily use israeli nationals, they would use agents, they would use people who they had recruited who could operate in tehran. >> they would use proxies, absolutely. it's too dangerous, they couldn't afford to get one of their own people. an officer caught there arrested tried the whole thing. they would want do it. they won't take that risk. and remember, we see some of the israeli operations, like in dubai, which was a fiasco for the israelis because they were filmed. and then you have other groups like the israeli military intelligence that, you know, when they sort of come after you, they get you. >> it's fascinating stuff. bob baer, thank you fran
townsend, as well. coming up, four convicted murderers released from prison in mississippi. they were among 199 criminals pardoned by haley barbour in his last days in office. now the state attorney general is threatening a nationwide man hunt to find a number of them they can't find. also a french journalist killed in syria, now france wants answers from the government. what we found in haiti two years after the devastating earthquake. >> there would have been a tent here before. >> yeah, in a space this size, as many a ten people would have been sharing it. >> this to you is a sign of progress? >> absolutely. hands in position. airbags. ten of 'em. add blind spot monitor. 43 mpg, nice. dependability. yeah. activate dog. a bigger dog. ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the reinvented 2012 camry. from toyota.
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in crime and punishment tonight, in mississippi, the controversy over haley barbour's decision to pardon over nearly 200 criminals is focused on four convicted murderers. the four were released on sunday before the attorney general got a temporary injunction to keep pardoned criminals behind bars. as part of that injunction, those four are supposed to be checking in with prison officials every day, but no one seems to know where they are. live from jackson, mississippi, with the latest. so the attorney general hood who we had on the program last night said today that the state might have to issue a nationwide man hunt for these four pardoned murderers. but since these men aren't wanted for anything at the moment, is that even possible? >> reporter: it doesn't appear to be possible, anderson at this point. and believe me, every legal mind in the attorney general's office has been mulling that over
today. how do they bring these men in if they can't really charge them with anything? they have been pardoned of any previous crime. so that is the real problem, that's the real quandary that officials have been going through. they have been trying to figure that out because what they have to do is they've got to serve this court order. how do you serve it if you can't find them? and they can't get them to call in if they haven't been served. it's a catch 22 that goes round and round. >> explain what these men were serving time for. >> reporter: all right. well, let me refer to the notes here and tell you. david gatlan 1993, he shot his estranged wife in the head as she was holding their 6-week-old baby in her arms. shot another man in the trailer, he survived. joseph ozement, killed a man during an armed robbery, andrew mccray argued with his wife in a cafe, left, returned with a gun, and shot the mother of two in the back killing her. and then there was charles hooker, a teacher who in 1992 shot and killed the principal.
so you can see all of them very dangerous people. >> and last night, the attorney general implied they knew where these men are. you spoke with them today, turns out they actually don't know where they are. >> reporter: you're right. he did last night give the impression that the public shouldn't have to worry that these people were under observation and they would be kept under observation. well, turns out they looked at the neighborhoods, they checked the families, they went to the places they thought these men might be, they weren't there. and again, the problem because they're pardoned, these men were not obligated to report to the department of corrections where they were going or what their future plans were. so the state's completely in the dark as to where they are tonight. they still have not located them. >> and as if that's not complicated enough, if these guys left the state, they're no longer subject to the power of state of mississippi, are they? >> reporter: that's exactly right. they are not. if they got out of this state, then there is no jurisdiction to go after them. and if they've committed no crime, which they haven't at this point in time, there's no
way to enlist the help of say the federal marshals program or any other state. there's no way to track them because they were pardoned, they're not part of the criminal justice system anymore. >> all right. it's a mess. martin savidge, thank you. we'll continue to follow it. anderson, calling on syria to investigate the death of the french journalist killed yesterday in a mortar attack during a government-authorized reporting trip. cnn's nic robertson was nearby when the attack happened. france is demanding to know who was responsible. growing outrage over video showing a u.s. marine sniper team urinating on dead bodies possibly in afghanistan. defense secretary leon panetta has ordered a full investigation. a marine corps official tells cnn the marines are thought to have been from a unit based in camp lejeune, north carolina, two have been identified. identified itself as a
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tonight a 360 world view from haiti. today marks two years since a magnitude 7 earthquake struck the poorest in the western hemisphere. much of port-au-prince crumbled. building after building reduced to rubble. hundreds of thousands of people died, many more left homeless. cnn was the first international news organization to get in. my team and i reached out to haiti the next morning, january 13th. here's just some of what we saw that morning. >> reporter: for many, trapped in the rubble of downtown port-au-prince, the struggle to live continues. >> we've heard there may be somebody alive buried in there. people on the streets say there's a 15-year-old who is buried alive there and that they're talking. but we're going to go and try
and see if that's the case if there's anything we can do. but the street, i've never seen anything like this. look at this, it is just complete devastation. this is downtown port-au-prince. just a few blocks from the presidential palace, about a block from the national cathedral. it's pretty much destroyed. >> reporter: atop a pile of rubble that used to be a building, we find a small group of men digging here for more than five hours to rescue a girl. her feet are the only part of her still visible 6789. >> this 13-year-old girl is trapped here. clearly alive. you can see two of her feet at this point. >> clearly in pain. they discovered her early this morning. now a little past 12:00.
and they're not clear how they're going to get her out. they only have this one shovel. they don't have any other heavier equipment. got to be very careful about what they're moving. they tried to move this big slab on top and that other stone and pieces of cement could fall. they are deciding what to do next. >> reporter: it's become an all too common sight, a coffin wheeled down a port-au-prince street. >> this young woman was 28 years old, a journalist actually teaching a class, they say, when the walls collapsed on her. >> reporter: her father, sister, and brothers acompanied the coffin barely noticing the other bodies that lay in the road. bridgette was pulled out of the rubble alive. they couldn't find a doctor to treat her. >> she wasn't dead when we found her at 11:00, he says, she died
at 1:00. she could have been saved, but we didn't find any help. >> reporter: these are the only pictures they have of bridgette, all they have to remember her by. >> her family isn't sure if there's a space in the cemetery for them to bury her. and they frankly don't have much money to pay for a space. they spent all the money they could find on her casket. they wanted to bring her body here as quickly as possible to try to give her a decent burial. now they're going to try to negotiate whatever they can. >> reporter: at the cemetery, they're told to wait, there are too many bodies still to be buried, too many families consumed by grief. >> we've got somebody. we've got someone. we hear somebody. >> reporter: believing they heard a faint cry, the firefighters insert a listening device into the rubble. vlad is told to tell the victims to tap three times on whatever's nearby. >> tap, tap, tap!
>> where's your location? >> they heard a very faint tapping sound. they think she's alive, but there's so much noise around, it's hard to tell. now they're bringing in one of the dogs to see if the dog will pick up a scent. >> reporter: jasmine's dog is named maverick, specifically trained to pick up the smell of a living human trapped in debris. >> what happened with the dog? >> showing some interest, but not a strong alert of a sign of live human scent. he hasn't given that to us. >> reporter: it is possible for a living victim to be so deeply buried the dog can't smell them. so the team decides to go further in. >> what they're doing right now is pain stakingly difficult and dangerous. it's like moving around pieces of a jigsaw puzzle that can fall on top of you and kill you or crush the person you're trying to save. they have to be very careful about what blocks they remove
and what order they remove them. >> we're always thinking aftershock. that's our first concern. second is, is the structure still intact? is it -- >> reporter: unsure exactly which direction to dig, they once again try to get the little girl to tap. >> tap, tap, tap! >> reporter: again it seems they get a tapping response. a crowd gathers, so do others with pictures of their loved ones they believe may also be trapped inside. another dog is brought in, a border collie named hunter. despite the silent prayers, hunter finds nothing. >> the little girl was never
found. what we saw in haiti is impossible to forget. the scale of loss was so immense. we've been back many times to report on the recovery and the rebuilding. the truth is, it's been far too slow. two years after the earthquake and for too many haitians, faith is still all they have to hold on to. recovery has been slow, the complex task of rebuilding made worse by corruption, confusion, and lack of coordination. there are some signs of progr s progress, 2 million haitians were displaced by the quake, now about 520,000 of them remain living in tent camps. >> so all of this used to be a camp? >> yeah, exactly. people lived to the top of the hill. >> reporter: sean penn's relief organization run one of the largest tent camps, which is
smaller than it was two years ago. >> this spot, there would have been a tent here before? >> yeah, in a space this size, as many as 15 people would have been sharing it. >> reporter: this to you is a sign of progress? >> absolutely. >> reporter: sean penn and his relief organization still oversee this camp. there were about 50,000 people here after the earthquake, now about 20,000 left in the camp. their emphasis, help as many as possible to get out of this camp, the tent city, and move back into their neighborhood. >> reporter: penn's group has opened clinics and schools nearby and are trying to build permanent safe housing for families. a lot of people have been able to leave the tent camps, but it's not as if they're returning to their homes. often they return to a neighborhood like this where all the homes are still destroyed. just the foundation of the old homes, there's a little bit of rubble and rebar remaining. >> reporter: in this hillside neighborhood, we found fabio, this is all that's left of her home. she moved back here last year from a tent camp and lives with
her daughter in this tin shack. it's filled with a few clothes and trinkets she salvaged from the wreckage. >> this is your husband? >> reporter: her husband was crushed to death in a quake when the neighbor's house fell on theirs. >> what do you hope happens now? what are you hoping for? >> reporter: my hope, she says, is i'd like to work and help my child's education. jobs are hard to come by, however, some 70% of people here are unemployed or underemployed. the new president is trying to attract businesses to haiti. he wants his government to have a bigger hand in determining the priorities for rebuilding. >> we never had control of the money. so today we want to change that because we know better than everyone our problems. and today we have leadership that really wants to change haiti. i think it's time to allow us to have means so we can come out
from misery. >> reporter: he has only been in office for six months, but he's unlike past haitian presidents. a popular singer, he insists he wants to root out corruption, that makes businesses wary of investing here. >> how do you stop corruption? >> whether it's my family or friends, they don't abuse or use the power we have today to enrich themselves or to do selfish things. i'm looking for somebody around me to jump on and -- >> you want to find somebody -- >> i want to. because you need to be a countryman. you want to create country men. in order for people to trust you to believe in what you're doing, you -- you must do it right. >> reporter: it's going to take a while to build that confidence among investors. but it's critical to the recovery. so the immediate relief effort you think went well, but the
reconstruction effort, the rebuilding effort you say has been going at a snail's pace. >> because not only -- it's not only to blame the international organization or the government, it is very difficult to reve reveal -- in the earthquake. >> reporter: she believes there needs to be better coordination between aid groups and organizations and they need to create a plan for reconstruction and job creation. she also fears donor countries will not live up to the commitments they make to haiti. >> donors are here, and they promise things and they promise and they need to do that. >> reporter: just over half of the $4.5 billion pledged by donors has been dispersed according to the u.n. and on this, the second anniversary of the quake, many haitians are praying the international community has not forgotten them once again.
>> sean penn has spent an extensive amount of time in haiti over the past two years doing work through the relief foundation he founded. i talked to sean before tonight's program. >> so, sean, two years after the earthquake, i want to talk to you about the big picture and also the work you're doing. in terms of big picture, how do you see things two years after the quake in haiti right now? >> well, there's -- there's two big pictures. one of the big pictures is that it -- that the hope that we all dreamed might come to haiti is very present. a lot of that is due to some great efforts that have happened. but also because of the belief in the promise of future efforts and the clarity on what those efforts need to be. not only to counter the devastation of the earthquake, but the overall poverty -- underlying poverty issue in haiti. i think now the most important thing for the world to know is
that the job has started. and that the kind of vision of completion is beginning to get clearer and clearer and continued support is just fundamental to it so that hope isn't broken. >> a little bit more than half the money that was pledged has actually been distributed from donors around the world. about half the rubble has been collected. there's still about 530,000 people, i think, still living in tent camps. to you, what is the most hopeful thing that has happened? and what is the greatest obstacle right now? >> well, the most hopeful thing that's happened, i can speak to today. when you look at the tone of this -- the second year anniversary of the earthquake. throughout the day, there's a general feeling in the streets of port-au-prince of forward motion, vigils began later in the night. the people are becoming
increasingly involved. they were able to elect a president that they wanted in this two-year chaotic period. but we -- we are seeing that now that a lot of -- frankly a lot of the ngos have left. and with that, unfortunately, there's a lot less spending. but there's a lot more clarity of purpose in the ngos that remain behind and the government. and the government is quite -- is showing a great decisiveness, and i think that because of that, we're really on the verge of tushing iturning a chaotic n momentum. >> you believe your camp has helped run and overseen for the last two years, you've been able to reduce the number of people in that camp. it used to be the largest camp, about 60,000 people at one point. i believe ben krause said it's down to in the 20,000 range. what's been essential for your ability to get those people back in their neighborhoods?
>> it's been working with the community leaders themselves with the community where we were able to relocate people. it's taking -- it's both serving the emergency needs that continue for the people in the camps and very aggressively being -- working with our engineering group and our reconstruction group within the community, bringing clinics from camps into communities, but still with people in the camps can access those clinics. and all the other kind of livelihood supports and counseling that goes along with the training and the employment of the people in the area. and i think what's happened is that a team will reemploy roughly 1,000 people a day with 300 permanent staff. the -- that employment encourages an incredible kind of optimism and an energy. a belief that if people get involved that something happens. so now we've moved jphro has
moved into permanent home construction, working with the bank, and we are seeing these incredibly positive signs. frankly, where bolder action is taken, bolder action is followed. and so where the hang-ups are, it's something that we have to very carefully and very kind of surgically talk about. because we -- it would be misleading to tell donors that there isn't an encouraging sign here. that at the same time we want to be able to share with donors the specific answers about why there's been such a hold-up in the spending. and i think that we're starting to laser in on that and the accountability will be there at the same time as the encouragement will be there. >> sean, the work you guys have done is extraordinary. i appreciate you talking to us, thanks. >> thanks very much, anderson. >> we're going to talk more with haiti's president tomorrow on this program.
more of the report from port-au-prince. one of the most dramatic stories we reported on the first days after the quake was the rescue of a little boy named monly. many of you on twitter have asked us to find out how he's doing. he was 5 years old, he'd been buried under the rubble for nearly eight days. that was him when we happened to be there at the hospital when he was brought in. somehow he survived alone in the dark under all that debris. he was severely dehydrated when he was pulled out. remarkably he was otherwise okay. physically, no broken bones, no internal injuries. there are, of course, scars you cannot see. his parents were killed in the quake. but he's a strong little boy. here he is two years later. he lives with his uncle. that's his uncle gary there in the blue shirt behind him. he says monly is doing great, he's going to school and doing well. as i said, we've been following his progress over these last two years. still ahead, more than six years after she disappeared in aruba, a judge declares natalee holloway dead, but not everyone
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knocking out power. an indiana man faces several charges. after police say he stole a car then threatened to eat the police officers who arrested him along with their families and dogs. that's according to our affiliate wlfi. officia officials say the 39-year-old's blood alcohol content was more than three times the legal limit. and anderson, a well-known ridiculous imitator stephen colbert is running for president. saying clearly the south carolinians see me as the only alternative. >> i want to go back to the guy who threatened to eat the police officers. >> and their dogs. >> i mean -- all right. >> that's a lot of booze, that's all i'm going to say. >> let's check in with piers morgan. piers? >> thanks, anderson. tonight, rudy giuliani is outraged by newt gingrich. he'd say and i quote, "what the
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