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sound and the fury, howard's end, something wicked this way come. you get the point. moby dick is only the beginning. when nature calls and says call me ishmael, it's a whole new way to get absorbed in a snauvl. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. president obama tells millionaires they need to pay up. but will the super tax or is surtax on the super rich be enough? we crunch the numbers. and the latest polls from gop race less than a week until the florida primary and it's a virtual dead heat between mitt and newt. absentee voters may make the difference. there's a bottom line there, we got it. and navy s.e.a.l.s rescuing americans from somali pirates. it's real life. we go there tonight. let's go "outfront." good evening. tonight, the super rich surtax.
okay, i keep stumbling on that one. but president obama today went on the road to press a theme from his state of the union address telling millionaires they need to pay up. >> if you make more than a million dollars a year you should pay a tax rate of at least 30%. >> all right, the president's proposal would affect about 240,000 tax filers across the country. an expert tells us it would effectively raise the top margin rate about 44% for millionaires. now, that's the highest it's been since the middle of this guy's administration when he was cutting taxes. now, putting aside the debate over whether it's fair, here's the math. taxing this dplup would bring in $41 billion in revenue a year. that adds up to about 380 billion over ten years.
thanks to david logan for running the numbers for us. that sounds like a lot of money, right? but here is an interesting thing. compare it to our debt and you'll see it is only a teeny, tiny, minute sliver. about 2.5%. the bottom line is that president obama's plan whether you like it or not, won't be enough to fix the debt problem. to fix the problem, we're going to need bigger numbers. for example, the bush tax cuts are set to expire at the end of the year. letting them for people who make $250,000 will raise $678 billion over ten years, but if you let them ix peer for everyone, you're looking in the eye of $2.8 trillion, and that math works. that cuts the debt by 18% immediately. big problems need bigger solutions. adam davidson is with "the new york times," john avlon, great and jamal simmons.
adam, lets me start with you. io have looked into thes and done incredible breaktop dodown this. actually, you've looked at if you taxed all millionaires at 100%, it doesn't do what taxing the middle class would do. >> we don't tax wealth in the country. we tax new income. if you look at all the millionaires in america, they make around $700 billion in income and pay about $200 billion a year in taxes. the two bipartisan commissions -- they both gave similar numbers. we need about $400 billion either in more taxes or less spending. and so, you'd have to tax all the millionaires at much close to 100% to break that nut. now, i'm not saying we shouldn't tax the rich more. i think for equity reasons, fairness reasons, sure. maybe it's a good idea. but the math doesn't add up that that solves our problems. >> and what about when you look at the middle class?
you look at the bush tax cuts going away for everyone. you actually had looked at what it would take to make a big difference. what kind of increases? >> i don't want to say boy, the middle class must bear the burden, but the thing about the 1% is there's only 1% of them. if you add up the entire 1%, it's about $1.7 trillion and they pay i'm doing the math in my head, something like $400 billion already. they can pay more. they definitely can pay more. that's probably a reasonable thing to propose, but there's just not a reasonable amount they can pay that solves our problem. i saw and am not proposing that since the middle class makes around $5 trillion a year, that's three times more than the 1% does, you can tax increase their taxes by 8% and it has the impact of taxing the very rich at 100%, so clearly, the middle class will have to share some of the burden. >> that's on the tax side. that goes to show you that's complicated. then there's the spending sign, john, which is a big way to get
rid of the debt. >> that's right. here's what's important. yes, we have a spending problem in this country, but just like we can't tax our way out, we can't cut our spending out of this problem alone. domestic spending about makes around 12% of the federal budget. what needs to be done is an all of the above approach. everybody knows this is true. yeah, you need to raise revenues, cut spending and bend the cost curve on entitlements. all three things need to be done. every time we've had a chance to do it, the committee couldn't find the political will to do the tough thing. that's the problem we're facing. >> now, jamal, the whole concept of raising taxes on millionaires is popular. always has been, still is. from the political point of view, that seems to be what the president thinks he can get benefit from, right? >> what the president said last night was everybody needs a fair shot in this country and everybody has to do their fair share. and i think there's a sentiment in the country that we had bank bailouts, auto bailouts, but not homeowner bailouts.
we didn't have taxpayer bailouts. the president said no more bailouts, handouts and copouts. everybody's got to participate. that's right politically. on the economic side, john is right. we have to do all of it. one piece he left out though. we've got to grow this economy. if we don't, all the rest of this stuff is still not going to get us all the way to a closed up deficit. >> on that issue, jamal, let me play something newt gingrich had to say, talking about what the effect of focusing the taxation on this one group of people might do to groith. >> i just want to comment on one thing in the state of the union last night, which i'm not sure the president understood, but if he meant what he said, it would be a disaster of the first order. >> now, obviously, i don't think jamal the president's not trying to say he can solve this all by taxing millionaires, is he? >> no, i don't think he said that at all. i think he said you need a fair
shot and everybody's got to do their fair share. that's a part of this where the tax increase comes from. but he said he's going to cut off the bush tax cuts for people making over $250,000. at thp end of this year, so that's going to close another part of this. and let's not forget, last summer, he sat at the table with john boehner and said he was willing to go somewhere on entitlement cuts. but boehner couldn't cut the deal at the end. >> politically, it's, i guess, impossible for him to say certain things last night. it's easy for him to talk about taxing millionaires. everyone likes that. but some of the other things that would get us there. simpson bowles, helps the the wealthy, but not something people want to hear. he didn't want to touch the things that are kryptonite. that all of the commissions under president bush and president obama said we need to do. >> remember, the goal here isn't just equity or fairness. it's to deal with our deficit and debt. that's a real strategic problem
for the united states. the question is how you get there. it's going to take pain. politicians are so pain averse. they're willing to demagogue the dent every election season, but when it comes time to deal with it, they run away in the other direction, especially on social security and medicare reform. >> the president did intimidate to john boehner last summer, he was will on entitlement cut. boehner couldn't cut the deal with his caucus. >> you need plans on the table. that's where we seem stalled. everyone recognizes we have a problem. the question is whether we're going to find the the political will. right now is a great opportunity for tax reform. from the romney tax returns, to this proposal tonight, let's get a fair, flatter tax system in place. >> adam, you look at the math and say, okay, look, $5 trillion a year in the middle class and $700 billion for the millionaires, but all of this masks the overall point, if you went to a flatter system and added a lot of productivity to
it, you could get a lot of the lo loopholes. >> yes, at least the intellectuals of both parties are much closer. corporate tax, they're whether within five points, 20%, that we should eliminate corporate loopholes, make the tax 30%. have a simpler two or three level system. make the rich pay more, but at a lower rate. >> so why doesn't the president talk about closing loopholes? why instead does he choose to put out a number that says i'm punching him? >> i think he spent last summer and into the fall talking about comprehensive tax reform, closing loopholes. having a simpler system. he couldn't get the republicans to sit down because john boehner doesn't control that part of the caucus and the tea party folks to say we're going to have them tax revenue increases along with the entitlement cuts. everybody knows you've got to do it. but he needs a partner who's willing and able to cut the
deal. >> this is about getting a deal to get his base fired up. that's why he framed it that way last night. what mitch daniels said in his republican response, he talked about closing loopholes on the super rich. so we should be able to find an opportunity for an agreement, people. >> that would result in them paying more and so theoretically, everybody would be happy. >> there's a deal to be made. >> i know very few people who would say they're not happy to pay more, especially in the current situation. navy s.e.a.l.s. rescue an american aide worker. from somali pirates. the man who literally wrote the book on the pirates spent time out front with the story. google, they've been collecting a lot of information anything, you have ever wanted to search for on the sly, and they're doing something with it now. and was it a murder or tragic accident? three afghans suspected of committing a horrific honor killing in canada. all that "outfront" next. ring, ring.
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new details about the daring u.s. raid that freed an american and another hostage held by somali pirates. the navy s.e.a.l. team that killed osama bin laden parachuted in and entered. the compound. they killed at least nine pirates. they all escaped unharmed by helicopter. american aid worker jessica
buchanan and paul cesak from denmark were kidnapped last october. now, there's a lot of land kidnappings. they've been terrorizing captives and the whole point is to get ransom money. while we hear a lot about them in headlines, very few have spent time with them. in part, kidnapping and death are real and present risks for anyone in somalia. this man knows all about them, he spent time with them. he went in there, lived with them, had protection of a clan. he's in nairobi right now and i spoke to him before the show and asked him about the pirates behind this kidnapping. >> well, it was based in central somalia. i was there two years ago. now, you're seeing a much more brutal gang, and also gangs that are turning inwards. so these two hostages were freed, they were from the dannish demining group.
they were kidnapped on land, so oddly enough, pirates, because it's becoming more and more difficult for them to hijack ships at sea, they're actually as i said, turning inland and i guess you can't call it piracy anymore. you can call it straight up kidnapping. you also find that much like, like kidnapping groups evolve over time, they become more brutal. the pirates aren't at the level of the farc in colombia or taliban. or what nigot, but it's gettingo that point. >> the groups we're talking about, some of these pirates part of larger criminal groups. they have access to financing. issues with al shabaab, how big is the network? >> i would say pirate groups are less organized than people think. now, they're becoming more organized, more like standing militias. especially back when i was there, it was a loose business organization that coalesced
around people who had money. they were financers who funded operations in the past, would get their friends and relatives, put together a gang, and engage in kidnapping. there are some links to al shabaab. it's not like you can speak of pirates as a singular organization. >> where does the money from the ransom go? what do they use it for? it's interesting down in, rio, gangs there want to have gold plated guns. things like that. you have other gangs that have much broader goals and more religious goals. where does the money go? from these kidnappings and ransoms in somalia. >> i say it comes down to two things. cars and cot. cot being the narcotic drug they're addicted to and the cars, land kriezers or the pirate company car, the toyota surf. a baby land cruiser that less affluent pirates can afford. that's where most of the money goes. >> what do you think it was like
or could you tell us it was like for these two hostages while they were in captivity? how do you think they were treated or what can you tell us about what they might have gone through? we're looking at them now. jessica and paul. >> yeah, i don't know too much about the particular circumstances, but i can imagine they were probably treated better than your average hostage. they were moved around constantly. the pirates were so paranoid of an attack on land. at one point, one report found out that they were taken on board a hijacked ship because the pirates were so paranoid of what happened. so i guess hindsight's 20/20. they were kicked off that ship after there was a disagreement among the various stakeholders and they were forced back on land and that's when this rescue happened. what spawned the timing of the rescue is that jessica was experiencing a serious kidney ailment. they brought a doctor to look at her, but the resources he had were not sufficient.
given the circumstances. and that's what i think determined the timing of this commando raid. >> all right. thank you so much. appreciate you taking the time. >> thank you. my pleasure. from pirates to privacy. tonight's under surveillance takes on google's new push. google announced today it will merge all the information it collects about you through your searches, android phones, youtube, to give you a quote more intuitive google experience. are these changes an innovation of privacy? paul is here to tell us if google has gone too far. interesting, paul, i talked to eric schmidt at headquarters and asked him about his policy on tracking personal information. this was just about a month ago. here is what he said. >> our strategy is to make sure anything we know about you, you opt in. so if there's information about your location, you choose to share that.
>> my understanding is there is no opting. >> you should have been accompanied by your lawyer on that little tour because you know, they've changed their policy completely. you have to opt out in order to evade these collection of this material and the only thing that's voluntary about google is signing up in the first place. once you're into their system, they collect so much information about you it's really staggering. i think the public would be shocked to know. >> how does this work though from the perspective of our rights. what is the difference between opting in and out? everybody wants opt out, like, hey, when i go oin and order from a catalog, i have to uncheck the box that says i'm going to get more e-mails. isn't this essentially the same thing? >> it's similar to that, but the opt out provision with google is very, very difficult because they collect so many items of information in so many different services. >> you can't just opt out all together. >> no, you can't. there's not one box that says
unsubscribe, so when you search google, they're getting the information. if you have google mail, they're getting the information. if you're in picasa, they're getting the information there. they track where you travel to. they know all of this stuff. they know more than you can possibly imagine. >> and i have to trust their benevolence. in all seriousness, is this going to be challenged? >> it's being investigated right now, it's being looked at by federal authorities. by european authorities who are very, very sensitive to privacy, but mixed bag. we get so much information as a result of having this service. they pay for it by using this generic information about us to advertise. so you know, it's a mixed bag. as to whether we want to give the information or not. >> let us know what you think. next, the polls out of florida. it is a dead heat. we with promise you that. plus, what's the healthiest place in america? that's next. most important step toward accomplishing something is showing up.
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about, focus on our own reporting, do the work, and find out the outfront five and tonight, the surtax. president obama on the road today pushing a 30% minimum tax on incomes over 1 million. he's the math. it would bring in $41 billion a year. $380 billion over ten years. you compare that to our debt, it's about 2.5% of the total. president obama's plan may be a good idea, but it won't be enough to fix the debt problem. we need a lot bigger solutions than that. number two, the federal reserve announced it plans to keep interest rates near zero through late 2014. about 18 months longer than planned. a depressed housing market and global financial worries are a couple reasons why the fed is going to be low, low for a long time. but they lowered their expectation for unemployment between 8.2 and 8.5% by the end of the year. right now, we're at 8.5 pefrs. if it drops to 8.2%, it might be
enough to get the president re-elected. usda announcing new rules for school lunches. this is trying to fight childhood obesity. the levels of sodium and fat are going to be cut. vegetables and fruit increased. trade groups like the national potato counsel lobbied against the measure because of its attempt to reduce starcha foods like the potato. the ceo tells us final rules fall short in giving flexibility in the breakfast program. meet nutritional goals wib their constrained budgets. four, netflix is showing signs of a comeback. following last year's exodus of subscribers. it says revenue went up to $876 million. better than expected at the end of the year. looked at the fourth quarter report and said the video rental website got 600,000 new subscribers. pretty interesting. an ultmal streaming service, they had lost a million subscribers last summer when they increased prices. it's been 173 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? it was a good day for stocks.
take it where you can get it. the fed's announcement sent the dow higher by 81 points. fresh off the state of the union address, president obama is hitting the road, not wasting any team, taking his message to key swing states. here's the road trip, traveling to iowa, nevada, michigan, colorado, and arizona. yes, those are all battleground election states. over the next three days, those states have a total of 46 electoral votes. he landed in arizona today. jessica yellin is there. just outside of phoenix, jessica, good to see you. so it seems an awful lot like a campaign trip. is that the goal? >> well, it's not officially a campaign trip, but it does feel that way. this gets him on the local news in five key states he has to win in november. hopes to win. with a total of 48 electoral votes. i know you like numbers, so let me give you the math. the obama team figures they will win the carry states. the states that john kerry won
back when he ran in 2004. so that's 251 electoral votes. they need to pick up 19 more votes to get to 270 and so, their game is where can they get the extra 19 votes, and these five battle ground states, a combination of these five battle grounds states could get them over the hump. that's why he's visiting these states. >> and obviously a lot of talk about the super rich surtax proposal, the 30%. we had run the numbers on this. and where ever you come out politically, it doesn't raise a ton of money. do you get the feeling he's going to have more specific proposals on taxes or loopholes to raise significantly more money? >> he'll have more specific proposals so that he can talk detail, but not because they expect to raise more money. the bottom line is they know we know nothing's likely to get done on taxes this year in congress. this is fodder for the campaign.
and the millionaire's tax is something that plays well with his audience and plays to his message. which is that he has a vision for the middle class for the future that he wants to contrast with what the republicans are proposing, which provides less opportunity for the middle class. and it's really about framing that message, erin. >> thank you very much. appreciate it. she'll be with the president this week. mitt romney and newt gingrich meantime in a dead heat in florida for the republican win there. got less than a week until the primary. look at the new numbers. this is our poll tonight. that's within the margin of error, as you can tell. 36% for mitt romney, 34% for newt gingrich. santorum and paul rounding it out, but lower. every vote matters in a race like this, and this is amazing. in florida, almost one in ten registered republicans is already cast a ballot. how? early and absentee voting. half the votes were cast before gingrich won the south carolina
primary in such a landslide and before the debate, so how do these votes affect the race and who's going to have the momentum? this could be a make or break. john avalon and gloria borger are out front. alfaupz fonzo is also with us. good to see all of you. we appreciate it. gloria, let me start with you. 179,000 absentee votes were cast last week. romney was ahead of newt in florida by 25 points in the polls at that time. so does that mean that's now the absentee votes, that it's good for romney and is the enough to make a big difference in the final outcome? >> well, it's important and when you think romney was ahead tremendously in the polls at the time that absentee ballots started being cast and romney has the money and organization to tell people to return their ballots, you've got to think that's good for romney, but
early voting started the day of the south carolina primary, and you know that after newt gingrich won that and whaumped romney, the momentum swung the other way to gingrich. so when people are early voting in a lot of counties around this state after south carolina, they might think, oh, gee, newt gingrich is more electable than romney and after all, that's what republicans want. they want somebody who can beat barack obama. it's really hard to gauge how that's going to turn out in the end. >> 11% of the republican vote here hispanic and obviously latino vote always crucial in florida, but could be in a tight race. let me ask you about this, alfonso. the vote, both of them, newt, mitt out trying to get hispanics to vote for them. the new abc univision poll, this romney with an edge with latino voters. this is a big, big, big win for romney. 35% to 20%, but is this what
you're hearing? >> no. not at all. frankly, i think gingrich has the edge with latino voters. it's incredible the attention that both campaigns are paying to the latino vote of registered republicans, there are about 11%, so they could be decisive in a gop primary. that's incredible. but i think that gingrich has the edge because of his rhetoric, he understand the cuban and puerto rican communities, which are big here in florida and frankly, he's criticizing romney for his rhetoric on immigration, which so far, most latinos think that it's quite negative on immigration. >> interesting because you've got newt gingrich saying yeah, i would allow the most difficult and tough immigration laws in america to go ahead in alabama and arizona and he's all for that, but rhetorically, i wouldn't deport your grandmother. that's got to be helping him here. >> that's right.
he's taken a political risk to back policies like comprehensive immigration reform, originally a republican proposal back in bush and mccain, where romney has attacked right on illegal immigration. going back to 2008 when he tried to sort of gain points with the base hitting hard on that. that can come back to bite him in florida. it's a race between money and momentum. some of the fault lines are the hispanic community. also the tea party community. go back to the 2010 race, those are some serious fault lines and marco rubio's manager is running the florida effort. >> glor yeah, newt is trying to capitalize on this, calling romney anti-immigrant in an ad on spanish radio, but marco rubio took offense at that ad and newt pulled it off the air. >> he did. you didn't want to get rubio upset. he's pretty popular here. in the state of florida, not a good idea.
what's happening with romney's kind of interesting because after being hard lined in south carolina, he comes to florida and he's sort of softening his edge saying for example, it would be fine with him if the dream act applied to the children of people who had served in the military. well, that's a change in position and gee, i wonder why. it's because you're in the state of florida. but one other thing about hispanic voters is it's about the economy, also. and probably most importantly i think like a lot of voters in this country, most voters in this country, it's about getting jobs and getting back to work and it's about that for them, too. >> which is interesting. we know obviously you've got tied for three in terms of under water mortgages in the country, 44%. florida has been crushed. >> it's still economy issue number one, but when you bear down and realize the fluidity of this race. mitt romney was 25 points over newt gingrich just a week ago.
that is a significant slip. even though it's a statistical tie and romney has organizational advantage, this is all very much in play, and you can't piecemeal put it together. >> can i just ask you about the question about mitt romney and the mexican link? does that matter at all? >> not at all. because frankly, his rhetoric on immigration. and i agree with gloria, that the number one issue for latinos is not immigration. it's unemployment. it's at 11.5%, which is much higher than the national average, but immigration still matters. the tone you use and frankly, the tone that romney has been using is terrible. i think he's been ill advised on the issue. he's basically saying that every single undocumented immigrant has to return, leave the country or self deport. that to me is very offensive. >> self deport is also a practice, not really realistic, gloria.
>> absolutely. >> that's right. and erin, here's what's interesting. john mccain four years ago beat mitt romney in this state with hispanic voters by like 40 points. now, he's supporting mitt romney. coming here to campaign for mitt romney, but of course, john mccain's position on immigration has shifted as well over the years, right? he's talking more about border enforcement than a pathway to citizenship, so it will be interesting to see how mccain plays for romney here in florida. >> thank you. next, four women found dead in a canal in canada. was it an accident or an honor killing? there are wiretaps and we have them for you. and we're in switzerland. movers and shakers of the world are there. partying probably at this moment, but supposedly, they did some work today and we have a lot more. s with your buddies? lost your appetite for romance?
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10sf of thousands of egyptians returns to where it began. some celebrated the anniversary. others protested the country's military leaders. does look how it looked a year ago. david ottaway spent four years as a bureau chief in cairo and we asked him what egyptians are worried about now. >> egyptians' biggest concerns are the fast deteriorating economic situation and the continuing presence of the military at the helm of power. they realize their would be revolution has not produced a better life, economic life for them, and that the new regime is just as repressive as the old one. >> the world economic forum has kicked off in a quaint town in the swiss alps. they will talk shop and attend a lot of cocktail parties. it's an invitation only gathering and they there people
going from 26 countries. >> erin, there are two issues here. the first is the eurozone crisis and the global economic recovery. and the way in which the europeans have handled and made things worse. and frankly, some politicians like the canadian finanls minister are amazed that the europeans haven't got a grip. and they're saying the europeans need to do more because is the real worry is if they don't, everybody including the united states feels the effect in terms of lower economic growth. then thigh talk about the wider issues. the future of capitalism is on their mind. some say it's dead or needs updating. most people here are starting to talk about what is next.
what is the future of capitalism? how can people work together, government, industry, companies, and civil society? so you get an idea. we're stuck on a mountain. it's freezing cold. there's a huge amount of snow. and we're trying to put the world economy to right. erin? was it murder on a tragic accident. today, closing aumpts in a case in canada where prosecutors are accusing three afghan family members of committing a horrific honor killing. here is the story, an afghan man and one of his wives are akiezed of killing their three teenage daughters and the man's other wife. the girls' brother is also accused. they were found in their car in a canal in kingston, ontario. at first, it appeared to be an accidental drowning on the way home from vacation. but police were suspicious of the family's story and an investigation led prosecutors to
charge the 59-year-old mohammed, his wife, and their son with first degree murder. each year, the unietted nations says 5,000 women and girls are killed by members of their own families in honor killings. polly aula is in ottawa with th story. good to see you, amazing to see this and hear about this story. why did prosecutors come to the conclusion that the girl's father and mother and brother had killed them? >> from the outside, it seems they just didn't believe this family, didn't think they were acting like a family that was grieving. didn't think they called police in time. it just didn't add up. they really took what was an extraordinary step here and that was to wiretap the family, crucially, in their own minivan. got them to come back to the scene of the crime, they bugged the van. explosive evidence.
from this, according to the prosecution. they said it incriminates the entire family in terms of how the conversations went on. let's give you some of it. it really is hard to believe if this is what the prosecution is alleging. but the patriarch of the family is said to say, i say to myself, you did well. would they come back to life 100 times, you do the same again. and then in alluding to the kind of rebellious acts he found out about his daughters, they were dating western boyfriends, dressing in a way he didn't approve of, he said, may the devil defecate on their griaves. this is what a daughter should be? would a daughter be such a whore. you can imagine if you're the jury sitting there and listening to this, and there are hours of wire tapped conversations, you're looking for explanations. the other thing that doesn't add up, the damage to the other family car. that lexus, what the prosecution says they did is that they
tipped that family car with the four women inside it over into apownen canal, and those women drowned. >> let me say, they said they were traveling in a family trip together, all of them together in two cars? that's where they would have literally pushed it, and i believe paula, it also appears that the daughters and step mother were beaten, right? it looked like they perhaps had been beaten and unconscious and put in the car? >> this is one of the -- this is contentious. a lot of what is going on here is circumstantial evidence. they're asking where is the evidence that these women, how these women died? pathologist testified they had fresh bruises, three of the four v victims had fresh bruises, and the defense is dismissing this, saying if you were going to have these four women and kill them beforehand, these defends had no time to do that. were they going to stand there being in the words of the defense, like lambs to
slaughter? no, that wouldn't have happen. yet the jury time and time again has listened to this dance between the prosecution and two of the defendants that took the stand and their stories, the prosecution says, they don't add up. >> what would be the punishment if they are convicted? >> definitely life. we don't have the death penalty here in canada, but life in prison. it's an interesting way they prosecuted this. the defense has -- the prosecution has had all three together, they have stay together, their stories. they're all saying their innoce innocent. it's not that one tried to blake off, pleading to any sort of lesser charge. you can't help but be riveted by the details. these girls, intelligent, beautiful girls. things they were saying to family members and social workers beforehand, they wanted out of the house. >> paula, thank you very much. paula is going to have more of the details in a story on honor killing on "anderson cooper
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lanterns, and a fireworks celebration. according to the chinese zodiac, the year 2012 is the year of the dragon, which is the luckiest of all signs. i was born in the year of the dragon, so i got into it and looked a the numbers. the lunar new year in china is the world's largest human migration. people in china will make over 3 billion passenger trips during this lunar new year holiday. trains have 82.3 million passengers, 84 million people travel by car on january 1st, one day. that's a lot of people and there are going oo be a lot more. according to china state news agency because the year of the dragon is considered so lucky, china is expecting a 5% jump in the number of babies born this year. women are trying to get pregnant before may 2nd, the last day to make sure your kid is still born a dragon. china is big and getting bigger.
>> obama and the gop candidates all say that the u.s. has to beat china. they're all allied in that point of view, but it seems like beat might be the wrong word. chinese people want cars, washing machines, they want what america has, the american dream. we were thinking there might be a different way that might be worth thinking about this. if we focused on growing the world's economic pie, not just trying to take back things china had, there was a story today about how we needed more i pads, and they go to the factory in china at 2:00 a.m., they go and make the ipads. it doesn't seem like that sort of thing is going to happen here. but there are other things america can do and make and create that will make america richer and the world economic pie bigger. and that means china can keep having a bigger and bigger and bigger slice. there's no way to stop it, but we can also make america's slice bigger and bigger and bigger, too. maybe there is a way to have two