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instead have substantive talks. "anderson cooper 360" starts right now. thanks very much. good evening, everyone. we begin keeping them honest going into the illinois primary. rick santorum is making the case that a win tomorrow could be the beginning of the end for front runner mitt romney. that it would pierce romney's bubble of impurity as he calls it and pave the way for a santorum nomination. today campaigning ronald reagan's hometown, rick santorum billed his campaign as the second coming of reagan '76. >> he ran that campaign in 1976 and people were saying why don't you get out of the race? you have no chance of winning. and he fought. he won 11 states in 1976. i might add just parenthetically, that if we
happen to win illinois, that will be the 11th state i've won in this collection. >> though ronald reagan did lose in 1976. but his spokesperson believes in a different outcome in 2012. they put out a memo called santorum path to delegate victory. he's been promising victory for weeks. >> we're in this race and we're in it to stay. we have won in the west, the midwest, and the south. and we're ready to win across this country. we feel very good that we're in a position to still win it right out. and if we have to go to an open convention, we like our chances just as well. we are going to win this nomination before that convention. obviously we're in this to win. we're going to come out with illinois and a huge surprise win. i guarantee you that we will win this nomination. >> here's where it begins to fall apart.
governor romney has a 2-1 advantage in delegates so far. and instead suggesting a romney blowout. polls can end up being wrong though. assuming the complete opposite, assuming a santorum landslide which would be a stunning psychological blow to the romney campaign, there is little chance for santorum to gain much ground in the delegate count. that's because of the 54 district level delegates up for grabs tomorrow. to qualify to win 44 of them. so he's already leaving ten delegates on the table about 18% of the total no matter what happens. by our calculations, he'll have to take 70% of the delegates tomorrow and in every single race after tomorrow to get 1,144. in a moment we'll bring in alice stewart from the santorum campaign to make her case. but first john king is at the wall with the numbers. >> let me echo what you said. shortcomings in illinois
tomorrow leaving delegates on the table. he didn't make the ballot in virginia. santorum had the same problems in ohio and tennessee. if two months from now we're still having this discussion, they may regret that. senator santorum spent two days in puerto rico. instead romney gets them all. romney's at about 519. he's much closer to the 1144 it takes to win. santorum is in second place well behind romney. illinois is lit up on the map for tomorrow. i'm going to give you a good case in what many would be an over-generous case for santorum going forward. let's jump to the head of the process. if santorum won everything -- won everything, anderson, from here on out, governor romney is getting some along the way. he would not get the nomination. santorum would be in second place. under this scenario, he could
say i stopped mitt romney in the last 20 contests. however, you just mentioned the illinois poll. most people think that's not going to happen. hard for most people to see. hard to see him take new jersey. i'm giving him north carolina here. west virginia. indiana. romney campaign people are watching at home saying no way. this is a hypothetical to be generous to santorum. here's a huge one in the west. california. most romney people say we don't have the people to take it. give a few states back to romney. romney clinches in this scenario. that would be enough. and there's still other states the romney campaign thinks it might beat santorum in his home state of pennsylvania. that's an april contest. we'll have that conversation in a few weeks. under this generous scenario, governor romney still clinches. he's still in second place. if i could give him california, look at that. if i gave senator santorum under
this scenario. right at the finish line. just a little bit over. so even if senator santorum stuns us in illinois tomorrow, he would have to run the map. currently he's winning 20% of the delegates. he has won 20%. he needs to win 70% to clinch the nomination. he would have to win 60-plus to deny governor romney and go to the convention with an argument. maybe alice wants to play with the math a bit. >> no doubt. i want to bring in alice stewart. thanks for being on the program. you heard john king say he would have to win over 70% of the delegates to clinch the nomination. >> we're optimistic at the way the map will play out for us. i'm not disputing john. he is the champ when it comes to counting the delegates. but we have counters looking at this differently. and the difference now stands at around 124 delegates. also have to factor into the
equation there are many bound and unbound delegates out there on the table. typically as you know, those will go to the more conservative candidate. not a moderate like mitt romney. we're also looking at it. john is looking at the numbers from straight on. we're looking at the possibility and the very likely scenario that we're looking at states like florida and arizona. we'll do away with the winner take all strategy of all the delegates going to the winner and do with a proportional allocation of the ballots. also in iowa and missouri we're banking on the fact that they will look at the ongoing contests, not just the initial beauty contest. and with that it narrows the gap between us and romney. has us about 124 behind. while difficult, it's not impossible for somebody to achieve 1144 prior to tampa. >> does that make sense? >> alice is a friend and i respect her opinion. no because you're asking for so many things to happen. in this wacky year we've lived
through is it possible? sure. you're asking for the unpledged delegates. many of them are members of congress and the like of that. if they were going to come to senator santorum's way my question would be why haven't they done so already? if he goes into the convention with a lot love momentum, that would change things. they made a huge risk to go down to puerto rico and paid the price for it. polling shows him down 14 points in illinois. if santorum can surprise us in illinois, we can have this conversation. the challenge for santorum or speaker gingrich, they have to start beating governor romney in the places that he is favored like illinois and don't have to just beat him. they have to beat him by a lot to get the delegates. you have to beat him 70-30 or 60-40 to make up the math. is it impossible? no. is it improbable? yes. >> let's talk about the idea of a broker convention. if he ends the delegate hunt in second place, why would he be
the party's choice in an open commission? why wouldn't they side with the voters and choose the candidate with the most delegates even though it fell short of the required 1144? >> for the very reason we're here. while mitt romney has more money, name i.d., and longer time in running for president, he is not energizing the base. he is not sealing the deal. we get to a convention as we said and john agrees, more of the grass roots conservative base of the party. they'll be the ones at the convention. and they'll rally behind the conservative candidate. and that's what we expect to happen at the convention. >> the conventional wisdom has been that gingrich and santorum are splitting the conservative vote. if you look at this poll that asked people who they'd vote for if gingrich bowed out, 40% says romney. doesn't that spell trouble for
your candidate? if and when gingrich drops out. or if they get to a convention. >> there are a lot of polls along that very line. and many of them show a majority of the gingrich supporters would come to rick. and what we're also seeing is what we're calling for. the conservatives, grass roots of the party to rally behind the candidate in rick santorum. we're not asking by any stretch of the imagination for gingrich to get out. we're asking for conservatives to rally behind rick. certainly we can take mitt romney head on. we're looking for this to be a two-man race which will be sooner rather than later. we will see that rick will energize the base. and he certainly is the person to take on mitt romney. with mitt romney we take the key issues off the table. obama care off the table, wall street bailouts. those are off the table. we can't go head to head with barack obama with the important issues of the day not being able to be discussed.
>> john, briefly, the polls in illinois right now. where are things looking? >> right now in illinois you showed the one off the top are m had a 14 point lead. southbou i go through tomorrow after saying let's let the voters vote. advantage romney going in. the short-term calendar, the state of louisiana, that's a battle ground santorum should be able to win. then the map tends to favor romney. the challenge for santorum is to surprise us tomorrow if he's going to have a feasible chance. then when you move on to places like maryland. need a big win in louisiana. needs a huge run in his home state. right now he's won 20% of the delegates so far. what is going to lead us to believe he can get 70% to take it to the convention. that's why we count the votes every tuesday and beyond. >> alice stewart, thanks for being here. stay with us tomorrow night as republican candidates slug it out in illinois. our coverage begins at 7:00 p.m.
eastern with "erin burnett outfront." then "anderson cooper 360." the entire team will be back on at 10:00 for another live edition of "ac 360." we're talking a lot on twitter now about the treyvon martin case. the 911 tapes of martin being shot have been released. the teenager shot dead by neighborhood watch captain. do those tapes cast real doubt on the shooter's claims of self-defense? we'll talk to treyvon martin's father and the team next. [ male announcer ] the cadillac cts sport sedan was designed with near-perfect weight balance from front to back... and back to front. ♪ giving you exceptional control
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keeping them honest tonight. killing of treyvon martin, shot dead by an armed neighborhood watchman named zimmerman. yet to be charged with anything. in the words of the local police chief quote, we don't have anything to dispute his claim of self-defense. from everything we've heard today, there is something. 911 tapes of the incident. they show that zimmerman did not flee or stand his ground. but that he pursued treyvon martin with a 9 millimeter pistol. martin was on his way back to his dad's fiance's condo. he was carrying a bag of skittles and iced tea. he was wearing jeans, white sneakers, and a hoodie. we have 911 tapes of the
incident which we've kept in sequence but edited for time in the appropriate content. they start with george zimmerman's call from his car near the gates. >> this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. it's raining and he's just walking around looking about. >> okay is this guy white, black, or hispanic? >> yeah. now he's coming towards me. >> okay. >> he's got his hands in his waistband. and he's a black male. something's wrong with him. yep. and he's coming to check me out. he's got something in his hands. i don't know what his deal is. >> okay let me know if he does anything. we've got them on the way. let me know if this guy does anything else. >> okay. these [ bleep ] they always get away. >> well, what treyvon was doing was heading back to where he and
his father were staying. his family says he may have been listening to music on his iphone and not aware zimmerman was watching. they claim zimmerman pursued treyvon. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay. we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> in fact, dispatchers told zimmerman not to even get out of his car. police, they said, were on the way. that advice was for zimmerman's safety and treyvon martins. zimmerman could have stayed where he was, stood his ground and as long as he reasonably believed his life was in danger, he could have shot in self-defense. he followed treyvon martin. then he confronted him. the moment is captured in another 911 call this from a neighbor who hears shouting outside. >> okay is it male or female? >> it sounds like a male. >> and you don't know why? >> i don't know. i think they are yelling help.
but i don't know. just send someone quick please. >> does he look hurt to you? >> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there. i don't know what's going on. >> they're coming. so you think he's calling help? >> yes. there's gun shots. >> you just said gun shots? >> yes. >> how many? >> just one. he just said he shot him. yes the person is dead lying on the ground. >> just because he's laying on the ground -- >> oh, my god. >> treyvon martin died of a gun shot wound to his chest. george zimmerman is free until authorities decide what to do. the shoot -- i spoke to martin's father and the attorney. >> i'm sorry for the loss of
your son. when you hear these 911 calls, what goes through your mind? what do you think? >> it's heart wrenching because those were my son's last words. and to hear his last words being cries of help is devastating. it tears me apart. >> you have no doubt that's his voice calling for help? >> i'm sure that that's his voice. i'm positive that's his voice. >> police say this man zimmerman had blood on the back of his head, his face. have they said anything to you about how it got there? if it was his blood or your son's blood. have they given you details? >> they told me that it was an altercation. between the two individuals. but the details, they didn't
give them to me. >> as you know, the father of zimmerman gave a statement to the orlando sentinel. he said the media reports of the events are imaginary at best. when the true details of the event become public everyone should be outraged by the treatment of george zimmerman in the media. he says your son did not follow your son. but clearly in the 911 calls, the police say are you following him and he says yes. and the police say we don't need you to do that. >> exactly. george zimmerman's father is -- i guess he's being a father trying to protect his son. obviously, he hasn't heard the 911 tapes. and if he did, he must have heard a different version than what the world has heard. >> mr. crump, in your dealings with the police, with the local
police, do you think they have investigated this fully? do you think they have taken this seriously? >> i don't. i don't, anderson. i think from day one they didn't. and those 911 tapes tell a big part of the story. but it doesn't tell the whole story. for instance, they get to the scene, treyvon is dead on the ground. and they don't even run a background check on the person who killed him. but number one, if it was treyvon martin who was the trigger man, they would have arrested him day one, hour one on the spot. he would still be in jail right now. >> you have no doubt if it was treyvon martin who had shot a white person that treyvon martin would be in jail. that if it was any african-american who had shot a white person, a suspect would be in jail. >> absolutely.
they could say self-defense all they want. they would still be arrested and put in jail. one other point, anderson. and that is if treyvon martin was white, don't you think they would have ran a background check of george zimmerman no matter what he said? >> mr. martin, let me ask you. one of the things when i heard that 911 tape that immediately got my attention is one of the earliest things mr. zimmerman said. he says this guy looks like he's up to no good or on drugs or something. he's a black male. something's wrong with him. he's coming to check me out. so the idea that mr. zimmerman thought there was something suspicious about your son. your son was wearing white sneakers, jeans, and a hoodie which i wear that every single day of my life when i'm not on camera. and i don't think anybody even if they didn't recognize me would have said i look suspicious and i was wearing the
exact -- i wear the exact same thing your son was wearing. to you is that just a matter of race? >> i think it's a matter of profiling. which i think that's an issue that mr. zimmerman himself considers as someone suspicious. a black kid with a hoodie on, jeans, tennis shoes. but as you said, thousands of people wear that outfit every day. so what was so suspicious about treyvon that zimmerman felt as though he had to confront him? >> well, mr. martin, again i'm so sorry for your loss. the words seem hollow. but we'll continue to focus on this. i appreciate you talking tonight. and mr. crump as well. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> let's dig deeper now. sonni hostin and jeffrey toobin.
>> this is a guy that went to buy skittles and came back dead. that's what this is about. however, florida law is so peculiar and so protective of people who shoot people that i am not surprised that zimmerman has not been arrested and i'm not sure he's going to be arrested. because i think the law is basically an invitation to use deadly force under basically any circumstance. it allows disproportionate use of force. it says if you feel reasonably threatened even without a gun, you can use deadly force as response. >> even if you've gotten out of your vehicle? >> even though it's a robust law and probably the broadest law out there, bottom line is there's always that exception. if you are the first aggressor and pursuing, you can't use this self-defense claim. this is so clear. had this been in any other
jurisdicti jurisdiction, he would have been arrested and charged with homicide. >> the problem here is we don't know what happened between the 911 call where he says stay away and then altercation. that's a lot of time. >> martin's father assured that was his son calling for help. that hasn't been confirmed by witnesses at this point. >> how they wound up next to each other is not clear. >> well, it's clear he pursued him. >> he said he did. he said he was going to. >> but he also claims the 911 tape that martin is approaching his car. >> but he runs away. because zimmerman says on that tape on one of them he is running. he's running away. and that's what we tell our kids all the time. stranger danger. you run away. i tell my son that. if somebody's approaching you, run. he did the right thing. >> identified this guy as a neighborhood watch person. we have no idea. >> that's why -- i mean, it's important to reserve judgment for awhile and let an investigation go forward.
this was a residential neighborhood. there could have been people that saw what went on here. >> but it's been a month. this happened february 26th. any other jurisdiction with the same set of facts perhaps with a different race attached to the parties, there would have been an arrest. it's flooring me. >> a young male with a hoodie and white tennis sneakers. this is what i wear every day. if it was a white male in his neighborhood, would zimmerman been saying this person looks like they're on drugs? >> i doubt that. >> the lawyer said if treyvon had been the shooter, is there any chance in the world he would not be in custody? the answer is no. but i just think -- i've been looking into this today. there are a bunch of florida deaths where someone with a gun shot an unarmed person and as a result of the stand your ground law, there was no prosecution. >> and that is true, but the exception of the first aggressor
still stands and applies in florida. i can't believe that the investigators are saying that there's nothing to dispute the self-defense claim. >> do you hope there will be an arrest? >> i hope there will be. >> i just don't. i hope we learn more about the circumstances. because there's a lot we don't know. and this is -- i mean, it's just a sickening story. because this young kid is dead. >> carrying skittles and iced tea. >> that's right. and he was unarmed. >> appreciate it. governor haley barbour is not speaking to us but he's at least speaking. what he's saying? we'll keep him honest. next. grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota,
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governor haley barbour is speaking out. we've been asking him on the program for weeks. we asked him again today. yesterday for the first time in weeks he addressed the pardon situation. here's what he said when asked if it was a mistake not to consult victims and their families before issues a pardon. >> the victim that complains the most in 2010 came and met with my lawyers about this because they knew that if this man successfully completed his time, he had zero infractions in the 19 years that he was in the
penitentiary. he'd been a minimum security prisoner for years as are all of these guys. but they were told by my lawyers if this guy successfully completes, he's going to get pardoned. and if they had complained to me, it wouldn't have changed anything. this last set of inmates, they had been incarcerated an average of 20 years. no judge could look 20 years down the road and say that one is going to be okay and that one's going to still be bad. that's why we have the power of pardon. because we really do believe in second chances for people who get rehabilitated. >> one of the inmates who barber says has redeemed himself is this man david gatt lin. he shot and killed his wife while she was holding their baby son. the ellis family says they were never consulted about the pardon. gatlin also shot his wife's
friend walker. the frie randy, when barber quotes the family who complains the most, you think he's talking about you? >> definitely. and, you know, i'm a grown man. i'm perfectly willing to take responsibility for everything i say. he doesn't need to say the family. my name is randy walker. the walker family is complaining the most because we're outraged. >> he says while you've met with lawyers, you said yes you met with a lawyer but the issue of pardons never came up. >> sno. not at that point. we were talking to one of his lawyers named lucian smith. what we discussed was in the department of corrections inmate handbook, it says clearly no inmate convicted of murder or serving a life sentence is eligible to be a trustee. so we met with lucian and asked
what to do to remove the trustee status. it was a short meeting. he referred us to christopher epps at the mississippi department of corrections. we had a meeting with him. i think you have documentation and letters that went back and forth between the attorney we had helping us write letters and stuff like that. you can see what we talked about was trustee status. not a pardon. >> so is barber lying or mistaken? when he said you were told gatlin would be pardoned if he was successful. >> we never heard that. the only time a pardon ever came up was after we had gotten that last letter. i think you got there that's from july from david scott saying that the trustee status wouldn't be revoked. then we started pursuing phone
calls trying to see the governor about maybe stopping the pardons or whatever so we could get our say in. our focus at that point was to get the trustee status revoked. >> if you had complained to him it wouldn't have changed anything, he said that. how does that make you feel? >> if you go back and look at the timeline, anderson, he thinks because he didn't attend any of these meetings, he doesn't know what was discussed. she's hooting fr i-- he's shoot hip and his facts are grossly incorrect. you know, he's just -- no, i wouldn't say -- i don't think he's lying. i just think he's confused. i would like him to name the lawyers, plural, we met with and i'd like you guys to interview them. >> we'd like to do that. all along he has said, look. these are crimes of passion. and therefore we believe in redemption and our experts say these people aren't likely to commit another murder like this. all the experts we have says
just because someone commits a crime of passion doesn't indicate anything. frankly from what i hear mr. gatlin did to you and his wife, this wasn't a crime of passion. >> no. it's far from a crime of passion. when somebody's looking at you and following you around the night before. then you're not where he expected you to be the next morning so he hunts you and finally finds you. then he stops himself and buys fireworks to cover up the sound of gunfire, he had plenty of time to stop. he spent the night in mississippi that night. there's just so much stuff here that's premeditated. and for haley barbour to say that there's nothing i could say to him that would change his mind, what if -- and i haven't been. i want to say this as just a what if. but what if david had contacted me some way and said the day i get out of jail on this pardon, i'm going to kill you and your family. now, you think if i hadn't been
able to get to a meeting with governor barbour that would not have changed his mind? he can't say nothing would change his mind because he didn't give me a chance. >> we also reached out to lucian smith, the attorney, without any discuss on that. ran randy walker we'll continue on this. we appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. it's a win for us already because tonight there are no governor -- trustees at the governor's mansion. >> that's a big change. it's been a long time. that's a long tradition there. thank you very much. we're going to continue to follow that. we're following another story. here's isha's bulletin. >> moving closer to the center of power. fierce fighting between rebels and government forces broke out today in a damascus neighborhood that's home to security buildings and top aids to assad. at least 34 people were killed across syria today. southwest france is on high
security alert following a deadly shooting today at a jewish school. a gunman on a motorcycle pulled up to the school and opened fire killing one adult and three children before speeding away. a cruise collided with a container ship in heavy fog. this animation details how it occurred. passengers said they were knocked off their feet but oregon there were no reports of injuries. both ships have sustained quite a bit of damage. and anderson, in england, catherine the duchess of cambridge was at a hospice for children praising the staff for the work they do. there you have it. your roundup of royals news. >> thanks very much. we've got a 360 investigation tonight. tax refund fraud. stealing billions every year from unsuspected victims. see how identity thieves are getting away with it right now. next.
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enough to stop it. >> this is a known gang member. >> put your hands on the car. >> we've just rolled up on what police say is evidence of one of the biggest and easiest frauds in america to pull off. a crime hidden on a piece of plastic. a debit card. >> he's got the cards. he just purchased them it looks like. >> those debit cards, police say, are used to take advantage of fast tax refunds from the irs. here's how it works. the thieves are stealing those refunds by stealing people's social security numbers from insiders at hospitals, doctor's offices, even car dealerships. any place where you have to give your personal information. they then use the stolen information to go online and file a tax return making up the income the person earned for the year. the irs then puts the money on a doesn't card purchased by the thieves.
>> this is what they're buying. see, green dot money cards, target. he went to target and spent 600 bucks. and he paid with a debit card. >> what'd you get? a thousand dollars for christmas in gift cards? >> the man they pulled over who is already facing identity theft charges is part of the money avenue gang which specializes in this kind of fraud. not surprisingly, he's in no mood to talk. >> i'm curious what you do for work that you drive such a fancy car. >> i don't know nothing about that. >> you don't know nothing about that? can you tell me if you know anything about identity theft around here? >> i don't know nothing about nothing. >> any tax fraud? >> i don't know nothing about nothing. >> the detectives of the north miami beach florida police department will later charge him with buying these gift cards with stolen tax return money. police say here's the same guy on video at target using a debit
card in someone else's name with the money from a fraudulent tax refund on it. and police say he used that doesn't card to buy those gift cards on the front seat of the car. >> come on, man. >> he's arrested for marijuana possession. but police later charged him with grand theft in connection with tax refund fraud. how easy is it to do this? >> they're so easy it's like the federal government putting crack cocaine in vending machines. >> the criminals cash in those debit cards as quickly as possible showing off their riches with expensive luxury cars. they flaunt fancy watches, diamond pendants worth $55,000, and other jewelry. this one inscribed with the words money hungry. just a few hundred miles north
up in tampa, police estimate the fraud approaches a staggering half billion dollars in the last two years. >> that's over 2,000 in cash. >> just one example of what is happening nationwide. police chief jane caster says the efforts to curtail it aren't working. >> i don't think that i have ever seen this magnitude of fraud that is just wide open. it's wide open. it just didn't seem to have much done about it. >> for its part, the irs identified $6.5 billion in tax refund fraud related to identity theft last year. >> i'd like to hear the other side of that equation too. an estimation of how much got through. >> that's what we wanted to know too. just how much fraud has gone undetected. after weeks of asking, the irs deputy commissioner couldn't give us an answer. >> just to be clear. you can tell us how much has
been caught. but the irs can't say how much of this fraudulent money has ended up in criminals' hands. >> we process 140 million tax returns at irs on a given year. we're doing a balancing act. because one thing we want to do is get refunds out to the hands of legitimate taxpayers as quickly as possible. and with as little intrusion. but for the actual size of the problem, probably need to get back to you with a number. >> we're still waiting on that number. typical says tampa mayor who is furious with the irs. >> has the irs disappointed you and your city? >> i don't know. i haven't seen them. as far as i'm concerned, they're missing in action. they have not been helpful. they have not been a player. they have not taken responsibility for their side of the enforcement. >> is the irs missing in action in tampa? what's your response? >> no. the irs is not. in fact, we have significantly
increased the amount of resources we've devoted to identity theft which is a heinous crime. >> just one week after our interview, the irs sent a team to meet with tampa and north miami beach police officials. law enforcement tells us there's a simple solution to curbing much of the fraud. don't allow the refunds to be put on debit cards. >> why hasn't the irs stopped that? >> not every taxpayer has a bank account. so the debit cards that are iss issued by a third party provider is a legitimate way for taxpayers to get their refund. >> and the fraudsters know time is on their side. the sooner they get some cash. >> it's an underground epidemic. >> are these your cards? >> it is a scary proposition.
>> so randi, where is the guy we saw arrested in your story? >> he is in jail awaiting a court date. but he hasn't yet entered a plea for the marijuana possession or the grand theft. as far as the victim in that case, her identity was out there because her purse had been stolen. somehow her information ended up in his hands. it's that easy. >> what about all those victims? how do they get their refunds? >> the burden is on them. they have to prove to the irs that their identity was stolen and someone filed taxes in their name. and this can take more than a year for them to get their refund back. the treasury inspector general says that the irs isn't realistic about giving victims a time frame. he's also criticized for the improvements they've made. said they've fallen short. the good news is the victims do eventually get their refund. the irs pays twice.
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isha's back with a news bulletin. >> people who nobel say he's a nice caring guy and they're stunned that he's accused of slaughtering 16 afghan in afghanistan. he is being detained but has not been formally charged. the wife has extended to the families. the owners of the mets have settled a lawsuit over the bernie madoff ponzi scheme.
they will pay to the trustee who's in charge of getting back the money that madoff stole. say they never knew it was a scam. and take a look at this. it's a video of a tsa agent patting down a 3-year-old boy in a wheelchair. the video has gone viral. the boy's father recently posted the video. he said it was upsetting. last september the tsa changed its rules on how it searches children. >> it's one of those videos that makes you stop and wonder what's going on. >> exactly. >> isha, there is petty theft. then there's potty theft. ♪ oh! [ baby crying ]
it is time for the ridiculist. we're adding a toilet caper that's been on the citizens of the denver metro area. he's accused of stealing toilet parts from businesses around denver, colorado. the guy hit office buildings, a movie theater, grocery store, hospital, university, and restaurants including a taco bell. take it away. >> it's back to business as usual here, but the thief did inconvenience customers needing to take care of business. >> we started calling him the crapper scrapper. >> the crapper scrapper. how much fun do you think the police had fun coming up with that? i would have had yielding tank yanker perhaps. but crapper scrapper starts. usually the guys from jackass,
the suspects. bam magera once stole all the toilet from his father's house. >> come on, [ bleep ]. >> that's disgusting. >> leak it into the tub! [ laughter ] >> there's nothing you can do. >> oh, man. [ laughter ] >> youth. seems kind of fun when it's a made for tv prank. not funny we're you're at a taco bell. and suddenly you realize you've been foiled by the crapper scrapper. so this point you may be asking what is the crapper scrapper's motive? why must he steal the toilets? for the toilet metal. and it turns out the guy is a plumber so he knows exactly what he's doing. >> he shuts off this water then
steals the metal plumbing selling them for scrap. the money he got was little. perhaps 30 to 40 bucks at a time. compared to the cost to his victims. >> yes. the high cost of holding it. not to mention the cost for replacing all the toilets. this toilet plundering spread went on for two months. it was a skorge on the city. >> people say it stinks. >> you go into a bathroom and can't flush. he's probably stealing the paper too. >> inconvenient at best. >> i wouldn't be too happy. i need to use the bathroom. >> the crapper scrapper was finally busted when someone saw him leaving a restroom with toilet parts sticking out of his bag. it's safe to say the citizens of dener are relieved. we'll see you again