tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 12, 2012 1:00am-2:00am EDT
football coach sat with his lawyer through often graphic testimony about their so-called relationship. victim number four detailed the years of alleged sexual encounters. he also opened up about their private conversations and discussed what has been described as love letters from sandusky. his testimony happened after both sides previewed their cases during opening statements. the defense hinted that sandusky might take the stand in his own defense and even suggested he may have a psychological disorder. that could explain some of his alleged behavior. jason carroll was in the courtroom today. he's live in pennsylvania for us. pretty shocking testimony on the first day of the trial, jason. what moments stood out to you? >> well, one of the moments that you mentioned was when accuser number four took the stand. jerry sandusky himself leaned forward and never took his eyes off this young man. he's 28 years old. and he described this pattern that prosecutors have been talking about all along. he talked about how he met jerry
sandusky through a second mile type of event. help says that led to befriending him. that led to gifts, things such as skateboards and golf clubs, hockey sticks, things like that. then he said it led to intimate contact in the showers with soap fights. then that led to wrestling. he says that led to oral sex. it was incredibly dramatic to hear this type of testimony happening in court. i also should point out one of the first visual cues that jurors got that they really seemed to pay attention to, anderson, was when prosecutors put up the pictures of all of these accusers on the screen. they put pictures up when they were 12 or 13 years old. it was just a way to remind jurors what they're going to be hearing from are young adults. what they're going to be testifying about is what happened to them allegedly when they were 12 or 13 years old. >> how did the defense handle this accuser under cross examination? >> well, i think at one point was when this accuser became very tense.
they challenged this young man on exactly how these things happened in the shower. why it seemed that no one else seemed to notice any sort of strange activity happening in the shower. also, challenging this young man on his background. bringing up his troubled past. one of the other points i think you're going to get to and that we're going to hear about in this case is this disorder that was filed in a motion today. that happened earlier today. basically the defense says jerry sandusky quite possibly suffers from a disorder called histrionic personality disorder. and this disorder basically talks about how people act out in an emotional way to draw attention to themselves and this is how they're going to try to defend a lot of these letters you mentioned that were brought up today in court. a love letter allegedly according to the prosecution. some of these letters that jerry sandusky wrote to this young man and other young men. they say that the reason why he wrote this letter -- these letters is possibly because he suffers from this disorder. so that's something else we'll be hearing about as the trial
moves forward. jason, stick around, i want to bring in a panel here. i want to bring in former los angeles attorney general. and our other guests. this personality disorder, i've never heard of this. according to the national institutes of health, it's a condition in which, quote, people act in an emotional and dramatic way that draws attention to themselves. what does that mean? would this explain the behavior he's accused of? >> well, first of all, a personality disorder's a lifelong use of maladaptive behavior. it's not considered a psychiatric illness as you would have in a major depression or other issues. obviously, a person who has -- in the old days, they used to call it a hysterical personality disorder. they're very dramatic. they try to get attention. but it's highly unusual for someone to be writing these
types of letters if he's not -- or they're not involved in any type of sexual misbehavior. getting attention is one thing. being dramatic is another thing. but using this as a defense doesn't seem to be a good legal type of -- i guess i would say way to try to defend him. >> jose, from a defense attorney standpoint, does it make sense to you that they bring this thing in? >> well, i think what it means is this is an attempt to explain some of his wacky behavior. with all due respect for the doctor, you have to try and dumb it down a bit. that's what i think this tactic is being used for. jerry sandusky has some highly unusual behavior. we've already seen that with some of his interviews. so what this disorder is trying to explain and trying to get across to the jury is, look,
this guy acts a little wacky. he acts strange. and this is the reason why. otherwise, you wouldn't be able to explain it and most people would say, well, that's associated to the fact he's some kind of sexual predator. when in actuality, the defense is putting this forward to say, no, he's just a bit wacky as a result of this histrionic disorder. that's the kind of defense i think they're trying to use. >> marcia clark, do you think it's going to work? showering with young boys is hard to explain. the defense tried to say from the generation he is from or the team culture -- i was on a team in college. the coach would never shower with the players. it didn't make any sense. >> right. you know, at the end of the day this has to pass the smell test. the defense has to find a way to discredit physical evidence like this. you have these letters. these letters are not subject to he said/she said or he said/he said. they have to find a way to discredit them or explain them away because if they can do
that, then they can say, look, now it's just a matter of the victim's word versus sandusky's word. after all, the victims may be in it for the money. they may have a civil lawsuit pending. they can discredit them credibilitywise. the letters stand as very physical corroboration of what these victims have said. they have to find a way to discredit them. thus the histrionic syndrome they're talking about. i don't think it's going to be successful. it doesn't pass even the laugh test as far as i'm concerned at this point. having said that, anderson, it may be that they have a forensic scientist come in and give a very credible explanation. we'll have to wait and see. >> the defense did try to do that, basically impugn the motive of this accuser number four. basically kind of asking questions about whether or not this person has retained civil lawyers and the idea that maybe they're looking for some sort of payday in a wlaut lawsuit down the road. >> that's exactly what happened. at one point, jerry sandusky's
attorney really grilled him on when he got representation. saying, how is it that you got your own attorney before actually going to the police and why are you not just satisfied with the commonwealth representing you? so that was another point that was brought up. but from the other side of this, i think what a lot of folks are going to point out is, why joe amendola would introduce this motion this late in the game. i mean, the trial is already started. he could have filed this motion long before we got to this point. which may speak to the point that at the very beginning of this trial, the attorney walked straight up to these jurors and got up right next to them and said, look, this is a case of david and goliath. we're the david here. the commonwealth is the goliath. maybe at this point, it may prove to the fact that the defense in some ways is overwhelmed and still in some ways grasping at straws in terms of trying to find a defense. >> jose, do you think it's unusual that these accusers
would have civil counsel? i mean, in this day and age, doesn't everybody have counsel? >> well, it almost seems that way, but no, it unusual. if you're a victim of some type of sexual abuse, you're going to go to the authorities. however, in a high-profile type of case, i can see innocent circumstances where they may want to receive counsel to protect their own interests. now, before you go discounting that method of the defense, we may want to remember, it worked for the sean puffy combs case where a lot of those people went -- a lot of the witnesses that testified against him had retained some type of civil counsel. there's no questioning the deep pockets of penn state here. so we could see years and years of litigation from some of these alleged victims. so i see it is clearly a valid method of attack for the defense. it's certainly something the jurors should consider.
>> marcia, i was interested in opening statements the defense lawyer suggested that sandusky may take the stand. he said you may hear from the defendant. i don't know if that was a figure of speech. would it surprise you if jerry sandusky actually took the stand? >> yes, it would. this is the kind of pr move you see defenses make all the time at the beginning of trial because everybody has a gut level reaction that an innocent man is going to bang on the door, rattle the cage, make a lot of noise to be heard, because he's innocent, he didn't do it. an innocent man doesn't just sit behind his lawyer and let his mouthpiece talk. he gets up and he fights for his own cause. so the defense always wants to make it seem as though the defendant is not taking the stand if he doesn't take the stand because the lawyer wouldn't let him. not because the defendant wasn't dying to get out there and tell the jury his side of things. this pr side of things will pick up steam as the case goes through until finally -- it depends on what happens. sometimes at the end of the prosecution case it's been so overwhelming that they may decide to put him on the stand
as a hail mary pass. i wouldn't expect him to actually really truly want to put him on the stand at all. >> dr. morrison, assuming the charges are true -- and that's a big assumption, he's presumed innocent. if somebody does what he's accused of doing, do they explain away their behavior? i mean, if they're a serial child predator, which is if he's guilty of what he's accused of, i assume it's what he is. do they justify it in their own mind? >> well, absolutely. i mean, most predators and child predators often don't see that they're doing anything wrong. they will try to rationalize their behavior for any number of reasons. and very often, when you have a sexual predator for children, they don't really see that they've done anything that needs to be punished.
>> jason carroll, what happened tomorrow? >> well, tomorrow, we are likely to hear from the young man who's been identified as victim number one. so this would be accuser number one. this is a young man who says jerry sandusky sexually assaulted him more than 20 times. this is the case that really started this whole wide-open case with all of the accusers we see now, ten accusers. we're expecting, then, to hear from the one identified as number one. >> ten accusers in all. thank you. appreciate it. we're going to continue to follow this case. let us know what we think. we're on facebook. tweet me on twitter @andersoncooper. i'll be tweeting throughout this hour. coming up, mitt romney blasting president obama over the economy, now suggesting the president is flip-flopping. but in trying to prove a point, the romney camp may have taken the president completely out of context. we'll show you. keeping them honest next. if there was a pill
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the latest salvo from mitt romney. a suggest the president is flip-flopping. they're using president obama's own words against him. it appears in this case at least they're misusing his words. you remember on friday president obama was talking about job creation and in the process said six words the republicans seized upon. take a look. >> the private sector is doing fine. where we're seeing weakness is in our economy have to do with state and local government. oftentimes cuts initiated by governors who are not getting the kind of help as they have in the past from the federal government and don't have the same flexibility as the federal government in dealing with fewer
revenues coming in. >> the private sector's doing fine. those six words and the statement about overall weakness in the economy, now, within hours, there was an rnc web ad asking how the president can fix the economy if he doesn't know it's broken. on the campaign trail, romney jumped on the phrase the president used. >> he said "the private sector is doing fine." he said "the private sector is doing fine." is he really that out of touch? >> the president later tried to clarify his remarks but the damage was done. you can decide for yourself what to think about what the president said. today, sensing an opportunity, the romney campaign has doubled down. putting out a new video suggesting the video has had a mixed message on the economy. saying what he said friday comparing that to something he said last month. here's the ad they ran today. >> the private sector's doing fine.
where we're seeing weakness is in our economy. have to do with state and local government. oftentimes cuts initiated by, you know, governors or mayors who are not getting the kind of help that they have in the past from the federal government. the only time government employment has gone down under a recession has been under me. so i make that point -- i make that point just so you don't buy into this whole bloated government argument that you hear. >> so the romney camp says the president can't get his story straight. that on friday he said the weakness in the economy was state and local government employment. but a month earlier, he touted that government employment had fallen under his watch. touted is the word the romney campaign spokesman uses in a press release. keeping them honest, there's one problem.
if you listen to what else the president said, in may, in the sentence before or the sentence after the quote that the romney campaign has picked, it becomes clear the president's statement has been taken out of context in this case. in may, the president was saying during recessions under president reagan and both bushes government employment went up. during his administration, republicans in congress are stalling on legislation he says would spur public sector growth. here's the quote he actually said in context, the part the romney campaign used and what the president said next. >> the only time government employment has gone down during a recession has been under me. so i make that point -- i make that point just so you don't buy into this whole bloated government argument that you hear. and frankly, if congress had said yes to helping states put teachers back to work, and put the economy before our politics, then tens of thousands more teachers in new york would have a job right now.
that is a fact. that would mean not only a lower unemployment rate but also customers for business. >> well, today we repeatedly asked for someone from the romney campaign to come on and talk about it. after multiple requests, they declined. let's talk with cnn political contributor ari fleischer, former democratic strategist. and bill burton, former white house press secretary for president obama. it does seem that he's taken the president's prior comments out of context. >> well, the assertion that somehow the president doesn't care about the economy is just silly on its face. when you look at the video romney and his campaign put together, it makes the case they really haven't been trying to make over the course of the last year. what they have said about the president is he's a good guy, doesn't know what he's doing with the economy and it's not working. now they say he's indifferent to the economy. there's not a rational person that doesn't think the president is indifferent to the economy. >> ari, do you think they took the president out of context?
>> i think it's a classic case of the president trying to have it both ways. the rest of the sound bite showed the president on the one hand saying, i chopped government, aren't i good? on the other hand, we need to increase spending and hire more people. he wants to have it both ways. that's a problem with his presidency. >> bill what about that? >> we're losing 700 jobs a month, including thousands of could be cops, teachers and firefighters. now, the reason republicans don't think that's relevant, they don't think we need more those. when romney was governor of massachusetts, he cut thousands of cops, teachers and firefighters because he thinks that's the best way you can create more tax cuts for the very wealthy in this country. >> ari, over the weekend on "face the nation" wisconsin governor walker was on talking about comment that is mitt romney made. about what constitutes big government. he seemed to have some sort of disagreement with romney. i want to play that. >> do you think governor romney is talking about getting rid of more teachers and firemen?
>> no, i think in the end, the big issue is, the private sector still needs more help. and the answer is not more big government. i know in my state, our reform's allowed us to protect firefighters, police officers and teachers. that's not what i think when i think of big government. >> i mean, is more firefighters, police, teachers, is that more big government, ari? >> no, but pay attention to what governor walker said. because of the reforms they were able to make in collective bargaining and because they asked teachers, firefighters and others to pay a higher share of their salaries for pension and health care reform, put them on par -- approach a par with the private sector, they averted layoffs. that's good government. that's reform. what romney was saying is we need to make sure the growth in the economy comes not private sector and that's where the president's remarks about the private sector's doing just fine shows he's missed the boat about what makes the economy go round. the government can spend more money to hire more workers. that's what the first stimulus was all about in 2009.
it didn't work. >> anderson, what's most important here is the philosophical bridge that's emerged in this weekend's debate. governor romney wants to create jobs for the private sector. the president wantses to create jobs for the public sector. that's a great debate to have. >> are you saying the president does not want to create private sector jobs? i mean, wouldn't any president obviously want to create jobs wherever he could? >> to quote the president, the private sector is doing just fine. the problem is -- >> this is where pleks becomes completely comical. no one in their right mind -- >> -- he said that, bill -- >> -- i mean, it's just silly. >> nobody said that. >> the difference here is that the president called that press conference because he wanted to talk about things that the congress needed to do to act right now to make sure we were creating jobs. to make sure we were strengthening the economy. despite the republican primary that's going on, the president's still been able to create over
four million jobs since this recovery began. >> all right. >> two things. number one, you saw, again, the same emphasis. the growth has to come from the public sector. two, when it comes to the president, what he said was the private sector is doing just fine. nobody said he doesn't want to create private sector jobs. that his policies are hindering the creation of private sector jobs. >> bill, isn't it fair for republicans to attack the president on this sentence? in the same way that the obama campaign in 2008 decimated john mccain when john mccain said the fundamental of the economy are strong. immediately the campaign put out an ad saying how can this guy fix the economy when he doesn't get it. >> the difference is what are the underlying philosophies of the different candidates that we're talking about. now with john mccain, not to relitigate that campaign, but he really did believe the economy was fundamentally doing just fine. but midromney in his comment
says we don't need more cops, firefighters and teachers. that's his philosophy. he thinks the way we help strengthen this economy is making sure folks at the very top do better to make sure the wealthier get wealthier. to cut their taxes as much as possible. like ari said, somebody pays for those benefits. and in this case it's the middle class who's paying for it. now, what the president said was taken out of context and you know the underlying philosophy for the president is, yes, we need to grow the economy, yes, the private sector needs to be strong and vibrant. yes, we need to create more jobs. and, yes, we need nor teachers, firefighters and cops. that's what's going to make our economy stronger. that's what's going to make our streets safer. >> ari, david axelrod officer the weekend said within the next five months, this whole private sector is doing fine thing is basically going to go away. you think this is really kind of a watershed moment or defining moment for these two campaigns? >> the only way it goes away is if job creation in this country gets strong and i don't know an
economist who believes that will be the case. i think what's not going to go away is the next four unemployment reports. that, probably more than anything else, will decide who the next president is. unemployment went up last month, if it continues to go up, or job growth is weak, i think frankly the october surprise of this election will be the bottom falls out on president obama's numbers and mitt romney will probably win a comfortable election. >> bill, do you think it's going to boil down to the next job numbers? >> i think the jobs numbers are very important. i think the situation we're in -- in that sense, i do agree with ari. they do matter. ultimately when people walk into the voting booth, regardless of how good they feel about the last jobs report, they're voting about the future and what comes next and who has a vision for this country that they think truly can make the economy stronger and make our country on a more sustainable economic course. >> bill burton, thanks. ari fleisher, thanks. >> thank you. >> thank you. want to update our breaking news in just a moment.
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want to update our breaking news. the massive fire in colorado. additional resources are being called in. federal crews are stepping in to try to take over management of the firefighting effort. now, the fire's nearly doubled in size just since yesterday. damage estimates jumped from 13 structures to 100 have already burned. the flames now cover an area over 57,000 acres. now, all of this is forcing thousands of people obviously to
leave their homes. no guarantees are going to be still standing when they return. the question is can firefighters expect the weather to cooperate? i want to check in with chad myers. chad, what's the latest. >> the best case scenario would be rain. that's not going to happen. the next best thing is for the wind to stop. yesterday, winds were blowing 40, 50 miles per hour. so yes, that's helpful. the winds are around 30 today, they'll be around 10 tomorrow. that isn't going to get in the way. it won't hamper the firefighting efforts like all the winds did over the weekend. it is a scattered fire. look at the fire lines. how do you fight something that has a shape that looks like this? all over the place in every canyon, up every valley, with a bunch of dead trees. there was a huge problem with beetles killing these trees. so many of them, the underbrush are dead, and that is the fuel to make all these fires out here in colorado, new mexico, arizona, really bad this year. it's a bad season so far. >> that was the fuel. do we know what sparked the
fires? >> this one they believe was a lightning strike. believe it or not, one person in new mexico was test firing a gun. the gun bullet hit a rock. the rock sparked. the spark started a fire. that went 15 acres before they could put that out. >> that's amazing. i mean, is it -- is it completely out of control at this point? i mean, you saw that fire line, it looks it. >> it's completely out of control. zero percent containment. there's not one part of that fire that's not growing tonight. now, the firefighters are surrounding houses. they're really trying to protect structures. they're going to let the fire burn. at this point in time, they can't stop it. especially with the winds at 30 right now. they can't stop the trees from burning. they can protect the structures. they can protect the homes and businesses that are in those valleys. >> we wish those firefighters the best and all those people with their homes. i hope they're okay. chad, appreciate it. if you want to see more images of the fire, go to i-report.cnn.com.
there's more stuff there. some remarkable images. we're with following a number of other stories, isha is here with a news bulletin. >> we're getting reports of syrian government forces firing on residents from helicopters during an assault. human rights groups say 32 people died in the six-hour long raid, while with 93 people died in the violence going on across the country today. the state department called the use of helicopters desperate and a serious escalation. an unmanned drone crashed in a maryland marsh today. the navy says it went down during a routine training flight. there are no reports of injuries or damage to property. >> an appeal was filed today on behalf of the former rutgers university student convicted in the webcam spying trial. he began serving his 30-day sentence on may 31st. prosecutors say they will also appeal for a longer sentence. and the wild west hit the auction block. big spenders got the chance to own personal items that once
belonged to annie oakley. included are portraits of the famous gun slinger along with her hat and gun. oakley's 12-gauge shotgun alone brought in more than $143,000. >> wow. >> i know, some calling her america's first female superstar. >> pretty cool. how did they know it was her gun? >> uh, they -- you know what, don't make me lie to you. >> i don't know. there must be records. some sort of -- >> they were put up -- action by her great grand nieces so they've been in the family. see, i did know the answer. just had to dig. >> is that how you dig, like a chipmunk there? >> you got your answer. >> i did. i'm very impressed. isha, thanks. we're going to check back in with you a little later for some other updates. really sad news today. "good morning america" anchor robin roberts made an announcement. she's now facing a very dangerous new medical battle.
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robin roberts is facing another difficult health challenge. five years ago, she successfully beat breast cancer. the treatment she received may have triggered her new medical battle. she shared her diagnosis on this morning's program. >> now, sometimes treatment for cancer can lead to other serious medical issues. and that's what i'm facing right now. it is something that is called mds, myelodysplastic syndrome, and if you look it up going what, i was doing the same thing. it is a rare blood disorder that affects the bone marrow.
the reason i am sharing this with everybody now is because later today i begin what's known as pretreatment. it's a picc line. and -- in my arm. i didn't want you to be concerned if you saw a bandage tomorrow. it's going to be there to draw blood. that has to be monitored regularly. and also to administer drugs later today and for the week and for a period of time. it's all to prepare me for a bone marrow transplant. my big sister is a virtually perfect match for me. she's there with diane, ann sweeney, and she is going to be my donor. she's going to be my donor. >> two extremely brave women. very few dry eyes. after that announcement this morning. myelodysplastic syndrome is a frightening diagnosis. particularly in roberts case, because it may have been caused by chemotherapy, the treatment that helped her beat breast cancer. i never heard of it before.
dr. sanjay gupta joins me with some more details. i'd never heard of mds. i read it's also called preleukemia. what does it mean? >> it's myelodysplastic syndrome. i think the idea it's a precursor to leukemia, that was somewhat older thinking. it's sort of its own disease now. myelo typically refers to the bone marrow. dysplastic refers to something that is abnormal. in this case, the bone marrow which makes blood cells, they're churning out abnormal cells. in addition to getting bad cells, you're not getting enough good cells. that's typically what's happening in mds. >> she said she developed it because of the chemotherapy that she got for breast cancer which was more than five years ago. would that have contributed to it? >> it can. although let me point out first of all that mds as a whole is a pretty rare thing.
10,000 to 20,000 cases a year relatively speaking. but also while getting chemotherapy in the past can be a risk factor for this, it's not a common one. you know, a lot of people watching may say, look, i'm getting chemotherapy or maybe i did in the past. am i also going to get mds now? the likelihood is no, you're not going to get it. but it's a known risk factor for previous chemotherapy. >> she said she started chemotherapy immediately as part of her treatment and she's going to get a bone marrow transplant later in the year. walk us through it. >> yeah, so this is interesting. because you typically think of chemotherapy for example, for her, for her breast cancer. in this case, what the chemotherapy is for is to basically kind of knock down the bone marrow. it's churning out, again, these defective cells. knock it down so it's not making any more of these defective cells for a period of time. then repopulate the bon marrow with healthy cells. it can take some time. first, you're giving
chemotherapy. so in addition to knocking down defective cells, you're probably going to knock down some good cells. and getting bone marrow transplant, that will take some time as well. we're talking about months probably as opposed to days or weeks. >> she's lucky she has a sister who -- that's a perfect person to do a bone marrow transplant, right? >> i think you and i have talked about this. how tough it is to get a bon marrow transplant, especially if you're in a minority population. african-american populations. in my community, of asian-americans. it's very difficult sometimes. just not enough donors. in her case, she's lucky because not only does she have a match but it sounds like her sister's a very good match. >> there's no known cure for mds. what does that mean? she says she's confident she's going to beat it. >> well, the -- cure if you will -- i think what she's alluding to is the idea she'll have a very successful treatment. what she would hope for, and what her doctors would hope for for her is, eventually her bone marrow, after this whole
process, when they look at the type of cells it's making, all the cells are good, productive cells. cells that are doing essentially what they're supposed to do. if that is the case, in effect, she's beaten it, so to speak. cure's a tough word. you always got to keep in the back of your mind, could this come back at some point later on? but successful bone marrow transplant preceded by chemotherapy can be a very effective treatment. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thanks. >> you got it, anderson, thank you. >> we certainly wish robin roberts well and her family well. texting behind wheel. everyone knows it is a bad idea. [ female announcer ] research suggests the health of our cells plays a key role
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texting behind wheel. last week, a massachusetts jury convicted an 18-year-old man of vehicular homicide. the first of its kind for a texting while driving case in massachusetts. the young man will spend a year in prison. the reality is, though, texting while driving is hardly a rare occurrence. sometimes a split second spent looking at a cell phone sometimes is a lot longer and we don't even know it. all too often, it turns deadly. the transportation department calls distracted driving an epidemic and says that texting hend the wheel makes you 23 tiles more likely to crash. it's a lesson this bus driver learned the hard way after looking down at his phone. a new cdc study finds that 58% of high school seniors admit to texting or e-mailing while behind the wheel. we asked tom foreman to take a
closer look at what can happen when your eyes are off the road for a split second. >> reporter: researchers found the critical element here is not how good you are at texting or driving, but how long you take your eyes off the road when you're trying to text while driving. they found on average people took their eyes off the road for close to five seconds. what does that mean? we'll show you in actual driving conditions how far you can travel when you're not look at the road at all. for our first pass, i got up to 25 miles an hour and after i hit a predetermined spot right about there i maintained that speed for five seconds as if i were texting with my eyes off the road. then, i stomped on the brakes as if suddenly aware of a pending collision. this is how far i traveled. more than 180 feet. this doesn't feel like my eyes are off the road very long. for the next pass, i took it up
to 35 miles an hour. once again, i maintained that speed for five seconds of texting, blasted right over the previous stopping point, and look at how much farther i went. well over 250 feet. imagine covering all that distance in heavy traffic without looking at the road. finally, i decided to speed up to 45 miles an hour and five seconds of texting. look at how i crushed both my previous stopping points. and even when i hit the brakes, the time it takes me to stop is considerably longer and much more perilous than it was either time before. remember, this is only 45 miles an hour. if i were out on a highway at 55 or 65, i would have covered at least an entire football field's length effectively driving blind. >> it's fascinating. five seconds. you think that's nothing. it's interesting to see how far you go.
you looked at similar scenarios before, i remember, the amount of time it takes to load a cd or dial a phone number. how do those activities compare to texting? how was this experience different? >> really, they don't compare to texting. texting is much, much worse. they are serious to be sure. if you're loading a cd or dialing a phone. anything electronic in the car increases your risk of an accident. no doubt about it. but texting as you mentioned before. the folks at virginia tech found increased your chance of an accident 23 times. that is a huge difference. this time, however, what we were looking at was not different activities but different speeds. we went to a much better lot out there by rfk stadium. we got up to faster speeds. you can see how every mile an hour faster that you're going when you're not looking at the road, you pick up big differences. if we can get up to 65 miles an hour. we couldn't even doe it there. i did the math on it. the physics says, anderson, that at that speed, i could have covered 500 feet or more. completely unaware of another car or bicyclist or pedestrians
in front of me. that's why the business of texting and driving really is terribly bad no matter how good you think you are at it. >> tom, thanks for doing that. appreciate it. that's a good wakeup call. a lot more stories to get back to. isha's back with a 360 bulletin. late word that john brighten is taking a leave of absence. he was found unconscious in his car in l.a. over the weekend after two alenled hit and runs. earlier today, the commerce department said he sufred a seizure behind the wheel. the house oversight committee says it may move to hold attorney general eric holder in contempt next week. for failing to turn over documents related to the gun running sting. the botched justice department operation ultimately lost track of more than 1,000 illegal firearms in mexico. hosni mubarak is reportedly in a coma in a hospital. officials say doctors have
defibrillated the 84-year-old several times. he began serving a life sentence for the killing of demonstrators last year. lady gaga on the mend after taking a hit to the head. during a show in new zealand. a backup performer accidentally hit her with a set piece when she was mid song. gaga went through, warning the audience she might have suffered a concussion. anderson? >> isha, thanks about coming up, a community takes a stand against what? how about against a little girl who draws on the sidewalk with chalk. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a better benefits package... oahhh! [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. ♪ ha ha!
homeowners group in stapleton, colorado, who wants to crack down on a little girl who's been drawing on the sidewalk with chalk. you heard me right. she's not some obnoxious teenager egging houses. or running around armed with a slingshot. we're talking about a 3-year-old girl armed with chalk. this is little emerson. her mom says drawing with chalk is a simple pleasure for emerson, adding they moved to the neighborhood for the family friendly atmosphere. so, what has emerson been drawing that's so nonfamily friendly? what could possibly be so offensive? well, how about this? take a look. that's right, a pastel flower. that's an example of emerson's work on the concrete outside her home. clearly it is the calling card of public enemy number one. emerson's mom says the whole thing is crazy. pointing out that it is summertime and her daughter's, well, just being a kid. >> my initial reaction was, you have to be kidding me. she's not bothering anymore.
and it's actually pretty neat. she's learning how to spell her name. >> that's right, a 3-year-old learning how to spell her name. shut her down. she must be stopped. she's a menace to society. for its part, the homeowners group says it's a matter of shared spaces. according to kcnc, the association says anything that interferes or disturbs the peaceful enjoyment of those shared spaces, that's not allowed. >> the association is trying to go down a path of do no harm. and prevent the sidewalk art as opposed to -- until such time if it can get together and discuss it. >> why do i get the feeling these are the kind of people who would report a lemonade stand to the irs? i don't know what else goes on in that neighborhood, but if your biggest gripe is a 3-year-old quietly drawing with chalk, you should consider yourself lucky. the little girl is not breaking into your house. she's not throwing a keg party. she didn't drive her car into your mailbox. which is more than i can say for members of my staff. if you sidewalk party poopers
still don't grasp how foolish this is, that's your right. we're going to have to chalk you up on the rediculous. the dow falls 150 points, the reason europe could cost american taxpayers trillions. apple ipads and iphones on the list. siri getting a new surge. and a drug agent responsible for a huge bust this weekend, exclusively gives us the details and pictures, let's go outfront. good evening, everyone. i'm eric burnett. "outfront" tonight, how much will it cost to bail out europe? >> $1 million. >> just like dr. evil in "austin powers," that's not enough.