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out if you in fact received any of these contaminated medications. and if you have, then the important thing is to make sure that if you're developing any symptoms, you go to your doctor right away. symptoms can take some time to develop and this is important. it can take up to 28 days, a month or so for symptoms to develop. you may think that you're out of the -- in the clear, and hopefully you are, but if you get sick a month late, still get it checked out. >> sanjay gupta from boston, thanks so much. i appreciate that. i'm fredricka whitfield. brooke baldwin up next in the "cnn newsroom." got some breaking news for you at the top of the hour. welcome. i'm brooke baldwin here. here what he is we know. seven-time tour de france winner lance armstrong and his cycling team today being accused of running and let me just quote this here, quote, the most sophisticated professionalized and successful doping program the sport of cycling has ever
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seen. those are the words of the u.s. anti-doping agency. the usada, about to release 1,000 pages, 1,000 pages of evidence in this long running effort to prove that the cycling great cheated by using performance enhancing drugs. don redell with me, he anchors world sport on cnn international. we have bill stricklin, editor at large, bicycling magazine. bill, i want to begin with you. because i want you to explain to me in terms of specifics, if -- i read the statement from the usada ceo pointing to undeniable proof of this doping conspiracy. what kind of evidence is there? >> we know there is testimony from -- riders. they released the names of 11 of those. one of those is george hamby, the long time -- the most
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loyal -- and george earlier today had a -- announcement, basically confirming he gave testimony -- >> bill, forgive me. bill, forgive me. we have to pull away. i'm hearing every third word of yours. so let's work on your audio. and, don, let's go to you. if you can fill in the blanks, he started mentioning the 11 riders whose names have been listed here on the statement. run down this evidence for me. >> there has been rumors right throughout lance armstrong's career that he was doping. particularly in france. the french journalists hated the fact that he was winning all their titles and they thought he was cheating to do so. he always managed to evade direct proof because he passed hundreds and hundreds of drug tests. and that was always his defense. i did the tests, they knock on my door in the middle of the night, they come in, i do the test, i always pass. one of his former teammates said, well, i was cheating and i passed hundreds of tests as
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well. they have so much evidence against him. here is the list. they say they have eyewitness, documentary, firsthand, scientific, direct and circumstantial evidence and testimony from 11 former teammates. they have got 15 riders on record, 26 people in total have given sworn testimony. it doesn't look at all good for lance, does it? >> it doesn't at all, especially when he's quoted from this usada statement. lance armstrong was given the same opportunity to come forward and be part of the solution. he rejected it. what have we heard. what has cnn heard from lance armstrong or his attorney? >> he had the opportunity earlier this year to fight the charge. he said no. he basically thinks it is a witch-hunt, a kangaroo court. he thinks he can't win anyway. he thinks the whole system is set up to get him and to target him. so he doesn't think he can win. he would rather just not play. his attorney did release a statement last night, you know, basically trotting out the same line, usada continued its efforts through threats and sweetheart deals and generated
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self-serving media coverage through leaks and piecemeal release of tired, disproven allegations. i don't think lance armstrong will ever admit it, or the other riders doping in this era have put their hands up, they all want to fix the sport and move on. but i don'tarmstrong is everhands up. >> bill, you wrote the book called "tour de lance." how do you think he'll respond to this conspiracy? >> my understanding from talking to lance previously is that he's not interested in ever admitting to his guilt and he just wants to move on right now. he has, i think, despite this evidence and despite all the evidence has come out. he's got a strong core of people who believe in him and will always believe in him because of his link to fighting cancer.
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so he just wants to move on. >> bill, is that possible? is that possible for him to totally move on? >> it might be possible. you know, certainly he's not going to be able to move on within the sport. it seems likely that all of his tour victories will be stripped. he won't be allowed to participate in any sports that are signatory. but he's found a few triathlons to do in the meantime. the real question is if the usada case will lead to a reopening of the criminal case that was closed. >> so if that then happens, what is next in terms of legal recourse? if anything? >> well, yeah, what's next is years and years of fighting, if the criminal case is reopened. >> i want to go back, don. let me go back to, bill, just sit tight with me, i want to go back to the riders and quoting
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the statement. it took tremendous courage for the riders to come forward and speak truthfully. it is not easy to admit your mistakes and accept your punishment, but this is what the riders have done for the good of the sport. is the implication here that among the riders they were in on it as well? >> oh, of course. it's been well known that cyclists have cheated and it has been well known for many, many years. the real question was always was lance doing it as well. now it looks as though he was. you got george, one of his most loyal friends and teammates who also put his hands up. he said when he joined the sport, he felt like he didn't have any other choice. he said everyone was cheating. i hated the fact i had to make that choice. i hated the fact i had to cheat as well, but i did. i don't -- i'm not proud of it. i sincerely regret it. he is now trying to do everything he can or so he says to fix the sport. he says he's been cycling clean for the last six years. so i think it is just assumed now that everybody was cheating. we did some research when this
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story broke earlier this year which is if they were to strip lance of the seven tour de france titles, who would they give them to? in the seven years he won, the four riders behind him have all failed drug tests of some kind other than or since. so who do you even give the titles to? if you strip him of the title, you're almost throwing them away and saying the years didn't count. >> bill, 20 seconds. does this forever leave a black mark on the sport of cycling? >> oh, it certainly does. it is like the black sox scandal in baseball th. this was a seminole moment for cycling and sports. >> bill stricklin, editor at large and don redell. from this breaking news to some news happening, white house daily briefing, jay carney talking about the attack, benghazi, libya, from a month ago. let's dip in. >> -- i think there is no question that when four
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americans are killed at a diplomatic facility, that something went wrong and that is why we need to assess through the accountability review board the security posture there, the security posture of other facilities around the world, especially in areas that are dangerous as certainly libya in this post revolution stage and this period of transition in that country is. and that's -- that's absolutely a focus of the president's concern right now, is that we make sure that our diplomatic personnel, who go abroad, just like our military personnel, but sometimes americans aren't as aware of it, a lot of diplomats go to very dangerous places and take enormous risks because they're serving their country and serving the interests of the american people abroad, because it is in our interests that america be represented in the country like libya, a country that the united states and its people played a role in
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liberating from a tyrant. it is in our interests for diplomats as well as military personnel to be in dangerous places around the world, working to bring about democratic change and working to protect the american people. >> jay carney speaking there, white house daily briefing. looking at two pictures on the right-hand side, house oversight committee chairman darryl yell , part of this huge hearing taking place on the hill today. organizers say they're finding facts and critics say it is all about finding fault with the obama administration with 27 days left until the presidential election. so the goal of this hearing, again, live pictures, is to learn what exactly happened in benghazi, in libya, in the months before and the day of this september 11th attacks in these two compounds. the u.s. consulate there on the left, and also that safe house just about half a mile away. you know the story. four americans killed u.s.
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ambassador chris stevens, foreign service officer shawn smith and security officers glen doherty and ty woods. the chair of the government committee that initiated this hearing opened up by saying the state department was, quote, coming clean as it released new details just last night. those details include officials saying that attack at the consulate in benghazi was impossible to defend. and today, a regional security officer testified the assault was something the united states had never seen before at a diplomatic outpost. >> i had not seen an attack of such ferocity and intensity previously in libya. nor in my time with the diplomatic security service. i'm concerned that this attack signals a new security reality, just as the 1983 beirut marine barracks bombings did for the marines, the 1998 east africa embassy bombings did for the state department, and 9/11 did for our entire country.
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however, we must remember that it is critical that we balance our risk mitigation efforts with the needs of our diplomats to do their jobs. the answer cannot be to operate from a bunker. >> also, it revealed in this hearing still under way on the hill how officials in benghazi asked for more security at the consulate, but were denied. the committee member who just returned from libya this past weekend says there were plenty of signs the risk in benghazi was growing. he is congressman jason chaffetz. he spoke two of attacks before that day before september 11th. >> it was a test by terrorists and it was successful. and we didn't respond fully and kwat adequately. it was a terrorist attack on a u.s. asset in libya. and it was never exposed. we pretended it didn't happen. well, guess what, the third time the terrorists came to attack
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us, they were even more successful, killing four americans. i believe personally with more assets, more resources, just meeting the minimum standards, we could have and should have saved the life of ambassador stevens and the other people that were there. >> want to talk to foreign affairs correspondent elise labott who is watching this hearing throughout the day. i have to say, i talked to congressman chaffetz yesterday, i read the letter that he and chairman issa sent going through the dates of the instances in which ieds were thrown, et cetera, saying basically the security was not there. how is the state department responding? >> well, brooke, the state department is trying to respond. we spoke to, as you said, some senior officials last night who went by a blow by blow account of the attack, both on the main compound and the annex half a mile away. basically what they're saying is no amount of security could have prevented this attack, that they
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were outmanned by four to one, about 40 guards. basically today, brooke, this was a really politically charged hearing. it reminded me more of kind of l.a. law and a cross examination than really trying to, you know, let the state department make their explanation, whether you believe it or not, whether you believe in the end their explanations or not, cutting off the witnesses a lot, a lot of grandstanding by some members of the committee and i think what is really going to happen is i don't necessarily know if this investigation by the oversight committee is going to be the final word in what happens with this investigation, there is also an independent review board appointed by secretary of state hillary clinton, stellar people whose integrity and credibility is beyond reproach in washington and around the world are going to ask the same exact questions of these witnesses and will then make attack and then i think the american people will try to piece all of this together, and
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see what happened whether it could have been prevented, and what can be done, most importantly, brooke, what could be done next time to make sure that this doesn't happen again. >> sure. you point out l.a. law and i know a lot of democrats are saying, look, this is just total political theater here today. >> on both sides. >> on both sides, let's be fair. in terms of the actual investigation, elise, has anyone been arrested that is accused of direct involvement in the deaths of the four americans? >> there have been about four libyans that have been arrested in libya. i'm not sure if they're libyan citizens, but people arrested by the libyans, not really sure whether the u.s. has had access to these individuals. there is also two individuals arrested in turkey that defense secretary panetta said the u.s. is looking with interest and possible connection with these attacks. so no real hard suspects yet. clearly there is going to be a lot more investigating and a lot more piecing of this together.
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i thought one other thing, brooke, i felt what was really interesting is one of the women at the state department, charlene lamb, who was a security official who was the one that made -- denied these requests, i think there is going to be real accountability today over what happened. the buck really stopped with this woman. these didn't go up to the chain of command. and i think that's one of the things that this review board will be looking at. >> okay. elise labott for us. elise, we'll keep watching the hearings today, still on the hill. elise, thank you. as polls tighten and now move toward mitt romney, did the republican just move toward the middle on the controversial issue of abortion? i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. >> this is, i think, paul's first debate. i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. >> that's not correct. why? because i'll be speaking live with the very first
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with no odor. so all you notice is relief. aspercreme. this just in to us here at cnn. south carolina's voter i.d. law has been upheld, but south carolina voters will have to -- will not have to show photo i.d. to cast ballots in next month's election. so you get that here? this three-judge panel this federal panel ruled in favor of the photo i.d. law but decided there is not quite enough time to implement it before the election. it says the law does not discriminate against minorities as the justice department had argued. as you know, voter i.d. battles are being waged in several states and today's ruling further clouds the issue. mitt romney appears to be fuzing his stance on abortion and less than a month before the election here. take a look. mitt romney, mt. vernon, ohio,
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today. he appeared there with governor chris christie. he is saying it signing legislation to limit a woman's right to get an abortion would not be part of his presidential agenda. now, that kind of wording leaves him a lot of wiggle room. we want to try to nail down what mitt romney is saying, but first, let's look at mitt romney's evolving stance on abortion. we'll take you way back to 2002 when he was pro abortion rights. >> i will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard. i will not change any provisions of massachusetts' pro choice laws. >> i would welcome a circumstance where there was such a consensus of this country that we say we don't want to have abortion in this country at all, period. that would be wonderful. i would be delighted to sign that bill, but that's not where we are. that's not where america is
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today. where america is is ready to overturn roe v. wade and return to the states' authority. if the congress got there, we had that kind of consensus in that country, terrific. >> do you intend to pursue any legislation regarding specifically regarding abortion? >> i don't -- there is no legislation regarding abortion that i'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda. >> to review, 2002, quote, i will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose. 2007, quote, i would be delighted to sign legislation banning abortion. and just yesterday, quote, there is no legislation regarding abortion that would become part of my agenda. that is a cliff notes version for you today on mitt romney's evolution on abortion. jim acosta, he is with the romney campaign on a bus, somewhere in central ohio. and, jim, this latest statement here on abortion, it seems to conflict not only with some of what romney previously said dating years back, but then you
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also have his spokeswoman andrea sul on the very same day saying, this, quote, governor romney would of course support legislation aimed at providing greater protects for life. jim acosta, i'm confused. fill me in. >> well, brooke, let me tell you what the romney campaign said about all of this. andrea saul, you mentioned her a few moments ago, spokeswoman for the romney campaign, when she was first asked about this by the national review, she gave the statement that governor romney would support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life, but when she was contacted by cnn, she gave a different statement and said mitt romney is proudly pro-life and will be a pro-life president. and you might be wondering what is the distinction here. i think this might explain why you and many other viewers out there may be confused on where he stands on this issue. mitt romney, if you listen carefully to what he said, he talks about legislation. well, that's very different as
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you and i know, brooke, from supporting nominees to the supreme court who would outlaw abortion, who would overturn roe v. wade. that's very different than supporting legislation that would try to do that in congress. and so i think that might be the distinction there that mitt romney is going for. as you mentioned, a few moments ago, he has evolved on this issue over the years and romney has not shied away from that. he admitted back in 2004 that when he was governor of massachusetts that he had had a conversion on this issue. it was when he was basically told about what happened to embryos during stem cell research, that is when he says he had an epiphany on the issue of life and from then on forward he has been pretty staunchly anti-abortion. >> so, let me jump in, because you any, you say distinction, we could call it knnuance, that th nuance on this abortion issue is cropping up as the president and
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his supporters are accusing romney of flip-flopping, flip-flopping on all kinds of items since debate number one. we have some sound. let me play this. this is bill clinton. president obama, both talking about that. first, bill clinton. >> i thought, wow, here's old moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i miss eed you all these last f years. >> governor romney put forward a whole bunch of stuff that either involved him running away from position he had taken or doubling down on thing like medicare vouchers that are going to hurt him long term. >> so, jim, does the nuance here on abortion by romney, does it play into what the president and others are saying, that romney is reinventing himself here, you know, 27 days before the election? >> well, the romney campaign would argue, no, but you are right that the obama campaign is starting to seize on this, the
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obama campaign had a conference call earlier this morning and they latched on to something mitt romney said at the cpac conference in february of this year when mitt romney said he was a severely conservative governor. stephanie cutter said on the conference call that, quote, his severely conservative positions that got him through the gop primary are still there. now he's just trying to cover them up. and so what they're saying is that mitt romney is still very much conservative, but trying to move to the middle with precious little time left in this election to appeal to swing voters and independent voters. and i have to say, is there something else mitt romney has been doing on the campaign trail the last several days, to appeal to those undecided and swing voters. >> what's that? >> he's been opening up and telling emotional stories about himself, talking about friends, who have died over the year and their stories that he says have touched his life and inspired him. and he's also talked about the deaths of soldiers, fallen
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soldiers, whose lives and whose stories inspired him as well. i have to tell you, brooke, some of this is starting to become some news today. mitt romney in the last couple of days has been talking about former navy s.e.a.l. glen doherty who was killed in -- >> got a little emotional. >> that's right. he got a little emotional yesterday in iowa. he told the story last night, told it again this afternoon, glen doherty died in that consulate attack in benghazi last month. i have to tell you that the mother of that navy s.e.a.l. has asked the romney campaign to stop telling that story. she said in an interview with whdh tv in boston, she doesn't touch romney and she shouldn't make her son's death part of his political agenda. i reached out to andrea saul with the romney campaign and she said that they respect the
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wishes of mrs. doherty and the campaign confirms to cnn he will no longer be telling that story. so it is interesting to see, you know, mitt romney sort of making some adjustments to his campaign speeches. some of them going over well, some not going over so well, brooke. >> so they will be respecting the mother's wishes to please stop telling the story about her fallen son. jim acosta for us in the mother of all swing states in ohio on a bus. we appreciate it. quick reminder to all of you. please stay with us, stay with cnn for debate night in america. tomorrow night, the big night, vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan get their turn to tackle the issues facing the country, the vice presidential debate tomorrow night, coverage cnn begins 7:00 eastern. and, of course, click on to as well. someone in the army had an idea that could save billions with a b, billions of dollars and it involves this. what is this, you ask? cnn gets rare access to an area holding thousands of u.s. army tanks and we'll tell you who wanted to save the money and who
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i'm talking tanks here, built in the 1980s, collecting dust, just sitting in the parking lot. who is telling the army it needs to update the tanks when it says we can save billions if we don't? drew griffin investigates. >> it is a remarkable site, parked in the california desert, more than 2,000 of them, row upon row of m-1 abrams tanks, built by general dynamics, beginning in the 1980s. most of them are still ready to roll. so when the u.s. army's budget folks sat down to make some tough decisions about what to cut, they saw a great opportunity. postpone what they said would be a $3 billion expense, the refurbishing of hundreds of these tanks at this general dynamics plant in lima, ohio. u.s. army's chief of staff marched up to capitol hill with a great idea. >> in lima, it would cost us $2.8 billion to keep it open.
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our tank fleet is in good shape. we don't need to -- because the great support we have gotten over the last few years. >> reporter: so who decided the general was wrong? that he actually does need more tanks? i'll give you one word. congress. >> congress, drew griffin. this is one piece of the whole thing. we can watch this on this has gotten all kinds of attention online. people want to know what the government is doing with the taxpayer dollar but why is congress doing this? >> that is a good question. people are so outraged on this. it is catching on, online, our story. it is easy to understand outside the beltway. inside beltway on capitol hill, when they try to explain the inexplainable they tell you it's complicated, complex, lots of lobbyists are hired, general dynamics spent a lost money on capitol hill to keep this project going, they spent some cash at certain time and got it through congress.
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congress telling the u.s. army, no, no, we're not going to listen to you, you keep the tanks rolling. >> when we say congress, we're not talking about just republicans, we're not talking about just democrats, we're talking both parties. >> we're talking about 173 members of congress who signed this letter, urging the pentagon to keep this line of tanks going. 137 of them got money from general dynamics. bipartisan support to keep spending your money, and everybody looks at this and says, how are we ever going to cut the budget when we can't even agree to cut what the army says they don't want? >> 2,000 tanks in the desert. >> a lot of them. >> drew griffin, thank you. a quick note for all of you, the piece drew pointed out getting huge traction online. to see how the entire investigation played out, go to and on capitol hill, getting testy, lawmakers grilling the obama administration over its handling of the attack on the consulate in benghazi. you are about to hear how the
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i want you to see for yourself, from this compilation of what they said right here on cnn, and what they said on nbc and how these attacks evolved from a spontaneous event to an act of terrorism. >> some have sought to justify this vicious behavior along with the protests that took place at our embassy in cairo yesterday as a response to inflammatory material posted on the internet. >> the united states condemns in the strongest terms this outrageous and shocking attack. no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation. >> our current best assessment based on the information that we have at present is that in fact what this began as was a spontaneous, not a premeditated response to what had transpired in cairo. >> what we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the
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video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm u.s. interests. >> what happened in benghazi was a terrorist attack and we will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the terrorists who murdered four americans. >> it was a terrorist attack because a group of terrorists obviously conducted that attack on the consulate. >> and we will have much more here coming up. i'll speak live with fran townsend, cnn national security contributor breaking news on every step along the way. stick around for that. coming up next, considering race is a factor for college admissions. the makeup of the supreme court has changed since affirmative action was last considered. and today the case went to the nation's highest court. ve. silverado!
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question, should your race or ethnicity be considered when you apply to college? hours ago the u.s. supreme court heard arguments on a case that could change affirmative action as we know it. here is the young woman who started this whole legal fight. >> i hope the court rules that a student's race and ethnicity should not be considered when applying to the university of texas. >> she is abigail fisher. she claims the university of texas at austin rejected her college application back in 2008 based upon a policy that she says is unfair to white applicants. let's take you to the supreme court, to joe johns there, following the case for us. and, joe, how did the justices react to the arguments? >> the school actually says even if you throw out the issue of race, you wouldn't have gotten in, which is an interesting point there, brooke. but overall i think you can say the justices behaved very predictably and in any case
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before you listen to the -- you go to court, you listen to their questions, during the arguments, try to get a sense of where they might come down when the opinion is written and what i heard is the justices on the right taking a critical view, expressing skepticism about the use of race preferences in college admissions, chief justice roberts hammering one of the attorneys about the seeming absurdity of trying to determine classroom diversity of students who come from mixed race families, a lot of skepticism about how a university can use any metrics at all to try to determine when it reached the right mix of minority students to achieve diversity, what is called critical mass, part of the law for years. on the left, justice sotomayor and ginsburg and breyer whether it measures diversity and the mix takes you back to racial quotas, something the court already said it is against. a real struggle at the court today. the headline is that racial preferences and higher education definitely came under attack
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today. >> let's remind everyone, ten years ago, the u.s. supreme court upheld affirmative action, less than, 2003, what has changed since then? >> this case is factually similar to the university of michigan case nine years ago. what has changed is the court, justice sandra day o'connor wrote the majority opinion nine years ago upholding diversity as a compelling interest. o'connor is no longer on the court. today the person to watch is the justice anthony kennedy, not against the idea, but hasn't found the affirmative action program that is narrowly tailored enough for him to like it. >> what about the fact that justice elana kagan, she recused herself here, there could be a tie they could decide four justices one way, four another. what happens in that case? >> in that case, the previous precedent stands. so the university of michigan case from nine years ago would continue to be the law of the
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land if they ended up in a 4-4 tie. >> all right, joe johns, thank you very much. u.s. supreme court today. also this, miles above the earth, a dragon, sort of, has latched on to the international space station. we're going to tell you how this changes everything about the space program. ♪
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them, some ice cream. and then that just hangs out at the space station for two and a half weeks before it is packed full of experiments and failed parts and shipped back to earth. she stood up and she has the right to be educated. so the taliban then shot this teenage girl. the never before seen interview with her is next. [ woman ] it's 32 minutes to go time, and the candidate's speech is in pieces all over the district. the writer's desktop and the coordinator's phone are working on a joke with local color. the secure cloud just received
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another deadly day in syria's ongoing civil war. opposition activists say at least 131 people have been killed across the country and this comes on the heels of a bombing just yesterday that claimed 197 syrian lives. meantime, the new york times is reporting that the u.s. military has secretly sent 150 specialists to jordan to help deal with the estimated 18,000
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syrian refugees who have flooded into the country. now to this young woman so many of you i know are following here. belala is one tough young woman. this he is that 14-year-old pakistani girl, singled out on a school bus by taliban gunmen who asked about her by name, then shot her point blank. her offense, speaking out, posing a threat to the taliban by telling the world she has a right to be educated. as i said, this young woman is tough and you're about to hear from her. but first, reza sayah has an update on the effort to now save her life. >> reporter: it took three hours of surgery, but a neurosurgeon tells us he successfully removed a bullet lodged in the neck and shoulder area and he's 90% sure that she will recover. this was an attack that outraged much of pakistan throughout the day. pakistanis were trashing the taliban on social media, twitter and the newspaper, in the
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streets. this is a girl that many people here in pakistan know. outside of pakistan, you may not have heard of her. late last year we got a chance to sit down and talk to her and once you meet her and listen to her speak, you really get an idea why she inspired so many people. here is a look at our interview . so why do you risk your live to raise your voice? >> i taught that my people need me and i should raise my voice because if i didn't raise my voice, no one will raise their voice. >> some people say you're 14, you don't have any rights, just to listen to your mom and dad. >> i have the right to education, i have the right to play, i have the right to sing, i have the right to talk, i have the right to go to market. i have the right to speak. >> when if you give that advice to a girl not as courageous as you and she says, i'm afraid, i want to stay in my room? >> i tell her that don't stay in your room, because god will ask
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you on the day of judgment where were you when your people were asking you, when your school fellos were asking you, and when your school was asking you that i am being blown up when your people need you, you should come up, you should come and stand up for their rights. >> if you were the president of this country, how would you handle the taliban? >> first of all, i would like to build so many schools in this country. because education is a must thing. if you have -- if you don't have educated people, the taliban will come to your area. if you have educated people, they will not come. >> educated or not, the taliban come with bombs and guns. how do you handle that? do you still talk to them? or do you call in the army? what do you do? >> first of all, i would like to talk to them. >> what would you say? >> i would say that what are your demands what do you want? >> we want you to shut down the school is what they would say. >> i would tell them that don't
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shut our schools because school -- i will -- >> you're 14. you have no idea what you're talking about. we're going to shut down your school. >> so -- give me a second. so, first of all, i will -- i will show them koran, what koran says, koran didn't say that girls are not allowed to go to school. >> a remarkable young girl who is recovering from a gunshot wound at this hour. we put a lot of tough questions to her and she never backed down. that's why she's been an inspiration to a lot of people, brooke. >> reza sayah, thank you so much. 14 years old. much more here coming up on our breaking news on lance armstrong and all the accusations that he was part of the, quote, most sophisticated, most successful doping program the sport has ever seen. we're hearing teammates testified against him. ♪
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news, i'm brooke baldwin. cyclist lance armstrong, cancer survivor, seven time tour de france winner, sports idol to millions, accused of running a high level operation using performance enhancing drugs. according to this statement here, this is from usada, an acronym for the u.s. anti-doping agency, the ceo here basically says that armstrong and his usps cycling team ran the most so fist caste sophisticated, professionalized and successful doping program that the sport has ever seen. they're about to release 1,000 pages of evidence in its long running effort to prove he cheated by using the performance enhancing drugs. financial payments, they have e-mails, they have scientific data, lab test results, and, listen to this, they have testimony from 11 members of armstrong's cycling team, including the teammate who rode
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next to armstrong during all seven of his winning tour de france runs. the man considered armstrong's unofficial lieutenant, he's george hincapie who admitted he too used performance enhancing drugs. christine brennan on the phone with me. sitting next to me, elizabeth cohen. some questions to throw to you in a minute. christine, let me begin with you. the usada from what i can tell, from what i've read, they're accusing lance armstrong of doping for years and as we pointed out, they say they have a thousand pages of evidence including testimony that he did it. >> that's right, brooke. and, in fact, this is what occurred in late august with the news that lance was being ban d banned, six weeks ago or so. from what we're seeing, that's the news that day, stripped of his seven tour de france titles. now this is the evidence. and part of the reason i think
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we're finding out about so much of this is because lance has been so defiant. lance armstrong is saying he is not guilty, he's been at war with u.s. anti-doping agency, though usada is at war with lance armstrong and it is showing people exactly how deep and how significant the evidence is against lance armstrong and i think is devastating for the image of lance armstrong. >> i want to talk about this testing with elizabeth here in a second. just so we all see this, armstrong's attorney wrote a letter yesterday saying in part, quo, usada continued its efforts to coerce and manufacture evidence from other riders through threats and sweetheart deals, and generated self-serving media coverage through leaks and piecemeal release of tired, disproven allegations. they go on, this reasoned decision will be a farce while usada can put lipstick on a pig,
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it still remains a pig. you point out recently armstrong dropped the lawsuit against usada. you hear this language, the strong language coming from the attorney here, what do you make of that, christine? >> you know, brooke, about a year and a half ago, lance armstrong tweeted that he welcomed usada's investigation and he knew exactly what it entailed. obviously now they don't like this. and that's understandable. that's human nature. but lance armstrong himself welcomed usada, he said he would look forward to being exonerated. if you welcome usada, you get an investigation. which is what the investigation entailed. if we as a culture don't like this, if lance doesn't like his look, it if we as a nation decide we don't like this -- well, then give marion jones back her medals. that's how they caught marion jones and let's open the floodgates and let all the cheaters who have been caught, let them get their medals and
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titles back because this is exactly how the u.s. anti-doping agency works. it is sanctioned. it is a long-running -- and lance armstrong apparently wants the rules to be different for him. >> christine, stay on the phone with me. i want to ask elizabeth that, basically, he's self-described as the most tested athlete in the world, he's taken people in the middle of the night testing him, how do the tests work? >> the tests are done -- it is different for different sports and different competitions, but it can be a random test or sometimes they test the winners, the people that came in first, second or third will get a test after think win. what they're looking for is a bunch of different things. these are all of the prohibited -- this is the prohibited list from the world anti-doping agency. they may be looking for drugs like steroids, for hormones like testosterone or human growth hormone or they might be looking, and this is a relatively new on the scene, for methods that would increase the amount of oxygen going to your muscles this is especially
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important in cycling. there is a drug called epo that does that. there is another -- this is i think one that a lot of people haven't heard of. there is also a blood transfusion, take your blood, put it in the fridge, your body will say, i'm missing some red blood cells and make more and that will send more blood to your -- more oxygen to your muscles. then you take the blood out of the fridge and give it to yourself and you have even more. and that can be -- that's not -- that's harder to test for because there is no foreign substance in your body, it is your own blood. >> how could one beat a test? >> there are a couple of different ways that people have tried to do it. for example, you can do microdosing. instead of taking one big dose of whatever it is you're taking, you take little tiny doses over a long period of time and hope to stay under the radar. the other thing that you can do is what i was referring to before, is this taking your own blood, taking out your own blood, waiting for your body to react, a good thing, and then
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giving it back to yourself. it is to the point where what they try to do for that, all they can do is with -- one of the few things they do is look for signs of plastic in your blood because that blood had to go in and out of plastic tubing. so they are looking for teeny tiny amounts of plastic. but that giving yourself your own blood is -- it is a good trick because there is nothing foreign in your body then. >> so given all of that, christine brennan, 20 seconds, does lance ever -- does his legacy, is it forever marred by this? what about the sport of cycling? >> yes, i think it is marred forever. that's the choice he made when he gave up his -- talking about the bad chemists are way ahead of the good chemists. the fact he never failed a drug test means nothing. marion jones never failed a blood test. that's the nature of sports these days. and lance is hoping others don't realize that, and we do that's
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the reality he faces today. >> christine brennan, sports columnist, usa today, elizabeth cohen, thank you, both, ladies, i appreciate it. a big story on capitol hill today, this hearing happening right now. organizers say they are finding facts, critics say it is all about finding fault with the obama administration. 27 days here left before that november 6th presidential election. and basically the mission, the goal of this hearing is to learn what exactly happened in benghazi, in libya, in the months and even the day of the september 11th attack of these two compounds. first you see here, this is the u.s. consulate and then half a mile away you see the safe house. four americans were killed, including u.s. ambassador chris stevens, foreign service officer shawn smith, and security officers glen doherty and ty woods. the chairman of this house oversight committee, they're the ones who initiated this hearing today, opened up this whole thing, basically saying the state department was coming
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clean taas it released new detas last night, details with officials saying the attack at the consulate was impossible to defend and then just this afternoon, much of the testimony is focusing on information that requests for additional security in libya had been denied. and the person who had a hand denying some of the requests, her name is charlene lamb. an assistant secretary of state and she definitely was on the defense today after congressman dan burton asked why she did not support keeping 16 troops at one compound in tripoli. >> you did not agree with that assessment that they needed those there? >> no, sir. we had been training people -- >> no, no. did you or did you not say that if that was presented to you, you would not accept it? >> he was -- >> did you or did you not say? >> yes, sir, i said that personally i would not support
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it. >> okay. >> why is that? you knew about all the other attacks that had taken place, there had been 12, 14. >> we had been training local libyans and arming them for almost a year. >> let me interrupt and say that the local libyan militia that was there, many of them supposedly were told by friends and relatives that there was going to be an imminent attack on that compound. and so many of them left. they didn't want to be involved in the attack. >> sir, with due -- >> wait, wait, wait. >> sorry. >> i don't understand why you would say that out of hand that you don't think those 16 troops should be there. >> sir, with due respect, they're in tripoli, they were not in benghazi. >> that is just a piece of what was happening there today on the hill. here she is, fran townsend, our cnn national security contributor, also a member of the cia external advisory committee, and just this past august, fran went to libya with her employer mcandrews and forbes. welcome. i know you have been in the
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weeds on this story, you have excellent sources, breaking different nuggets along the way. i want to ask you, you've been listening to this hearing what is your biggest take away thus far? >> i think as average americans listen to this testimony, the greatest frustration is you just are waiting for someone to stand up and say, you know, we have four dead americans, we obviously didn't have enough security. let's go back and figure out why we didn't understand the threat. you would respect somebody saying that. everyone is washington is so busy covering their own equities and their own decision process that it is very difficult to discern what the actual truth was. brooke, as you know, i was in libya shortly before the tragic attack and met with ambassador stevens. it was obvious to me as a private person the deteriorating security situation in tripoli and as i talked to the ambassador, it was clear that this security deterioration was even worse as you went east.
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so this was not a secret. i think it is really shameful, frankly that we can't seem to get anyone to take responsibility and say, you know what, we need to learn why we didn't understand the -- this threat, given there were two attacks on this consulate before the attack that killed our ambassador. >> you hear from chiairman issa and how never thought this was connected to that prophet muhammad that anti-muslim film and, you know, your sources have been saying from day one that this was absolutely a terrorist attack and then you have, of course, the information coming out late last night, right before today's hearing, you have all these sort of balls up in the air, what do you make of all of the inconsistencies from the administration? >> well, look, i think in first 48 to 72 hours you've got to expect the fog of battle is what we hear from the military, right? whenever there is an attack or battle, it oftentimes the first details that come out are
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inaccurate. that doesn't explain we are literally tomorrow will be the one month anniversary of that attack. the fact is they knew well before last night when they held a staged call with reporters to announce that they knew there had never been a protest at the benghazi consulate, they knew that for some time. they chose to hold that information and release it on the eve of the hearing so it didn't come out at the hearing. the whole way this has been handled, frankly, raises real questions. now, there is no point to sort of the partisan bickering we see in washington now. what we have to understand is where the system failed, what we need to do to strengthen it and how do we protect our other embassies and consulates around the world. >> good questions. fran townsend, i'm glad you reminded all of us that at the heart of all this, four americans are dead. fran townsend, we appreciate it. now this. this is i think paul's first debate. i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school, i don't know. >> that's not correct. why? i'll be speaking live with the
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very first congressional opponent paul ryan ever debated. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. the supreme court hears a case that could impact affirmative action all across the u.s. and at the center of it all, a white student. plus, prepared for war. everything from body bags to billy clubs found in one passenger's luggage. and -- >> the media lies. the media are for obama. >> i can't stand it. it is brutal. it is one sided. >> gary tuchman follows paul ryan on the trail and hears a lot of doubt about polls. ally bank. why they have a raise your rate cd. tonight our guest, thomas sargent. nobel laureate in economics, and one of the most cited economists in the world. professor sargent, can you tell me what cd rates will be in two years? no.
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texas. >> that is abigail fisher. she claims the university of texas at austin rejected her college application in 2008 based upon a policy that she says is unfair to white applicants. joe johns is following this case for us from washington. joe, how did the justices react to the arguments today? >> well, brooke, the word i'm using is predictable. the justices behaved very predictably. before, you know, when you get in the court, you listen to their questions, and you listen to the arguments to try to get a sense of where they might come down before the opinion is written. and when i listened, i heard the justices on the right taking a very critical view, expressing a lot of skepticism about the use of racial preferences and college admissions. justice roberts hammering one of the attorneys about the absurdity of trying to determine classroom diversity among students who come from mixed race families. a lot of skepticism expressed about how a university can use any metrics at all to determine
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when it has reached the right mix of minority students to achieve diversity. it has been called critical mass. this is an idea that came out of a case nine years ago, greta versus bollinger, university of michigan. this is a case that the president of the university of texas referred to today after he sat in on the court hearing. listen to what the university of texas president had to say, bill powers. >> we made the case that the university of texas has crafted an admissions policy that includes race as one of many factors and that meets the strict guidelines established by this court in the decision nine years ago. >> so if anything i think the headline here is that affirmative action or race-based preferences in college education definitely coming under attack of the court today. >> so you point out this case or he points out this case from nine years ago when the u.s.
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supreme court upheld affirmative action. in that time, what has changed since then with the justices? >> the major thing that has changed frankly is the court. justice sandra day o'connor wrote the majority opinion in that case. she's been replaced by a conservative and now the question is whether because of the mix you have on the court, if they'll go ahead and make some changes to this case that sort of has become the law of the land, brooke. >> interestingly, if there is a tie, as we know, justice kagan recused herself, they'll have to default to that case from nine years ago. joe johns, thank you very much. coming up here, this is a tough one. this dying woman suffering from leukemia, on the trip of a lifetime, checking off items on her bucket list. she claims she was humiliated and her feeding tube contaminated all at the hands of the tsa. you'll hear her story next. ♪
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this is one of those stories, a tough story to tell and has cribbing accounts of what happened. so we're going to give you both sides here and you decide. take a look. this is michelle dunet, she's
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34, she's dying of leukemia. in fact, she has months to live. just last week she was fulfilling an item on her bucket list. she wanted to go to hawaii, have a hawaiian vacation. so her trip took her through seattle seatac airport and that's where she says her trouble began. >> i had five total bags of these. >> she says the tsa humiliated her at the airport, contaminating her feeding tube, asking her to pull up her shirt when they felt tubes running from her stomach to her chest and according to this young woman, refusing to give her a private search, when she asked for one. >> they just said that it was fine, the location we were at was fine. >> dunet says she was asked to move long after the pat-down and a tsa agent punctured one of the saline bags she was carrying with her. for its part, the tsa says it didn't happen. it released this statement to
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our seattle affiliate, quote, at no point did a tsa officer open the passenger's medically necessary liquids and the passenger was never asked to remove or pull off any bandages. the tsa said in a statement going on, after reviewing video from the security checkpoint we have determined that our screening procedures were followed. now, so far the tsa has not released that video. so here is the thing. tsa says one thing, this 34-year-old woman dying of leukemia says another. of course, my heart goes out to this woman. but without seeing the video of the actual screening, we just can't be sure. but what we do have to ask is what does michelle get from all of this? she says she doesn't want what she says happened to her to happen to anyone else in her condition. here she is in her own words. >> when somebody wants to take a trip, especially what i call an end of life trip, because you want to see your family and friends, then it becomes -- it
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is even more important than just taking a trip. >> as owe postscript to this story, she says hawaii was number one on her bucket list and the most beautiful place she says she's ever seen. friends say dunet is now completely exhausted and is not taking any calls. one week from today she will enter hospice care in her michigan hometown and we, of course, wish her well. now this, a death to tell you about. >> that's very rude. i want you to go to your room. >> but, george -- >> don't come out. >> alex karas, known to many simply as webster's dad from the popular '80s tv sitcom and so many others an all-star detroit lions lineman, he died today in los angeles. his family said he battled kidney and heart disease, dementia and stomach cancer. in april, he joined more than 3,000 other former football players who are suing the nfl
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over head injuries. alex karas was 77 years old. and just one day until the first and only vice presidential debate between joe biden and paul ryan. mitt romney suggested this debate might just be ryan's first, but my next guest knows better, because she debated ryan in 1998 and she says ryan is a master of ambush politics. her words. also another word, she says he's slick. we'll talk to lydia spotswood, next.
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obviously the vice president has done, i don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime. experienced debater. this is paul's, i think, first debate. i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school, i don't know. it will be a new experience for paul. i'm sure he'll do fine. >> romney says it is ryan's first debate or so he thinks, says he's not totally sure. it is not paul ryan's first debate. we have found paul ryan's opponent from his initial run for congress, back in 1998, she is democrat lydia spotswood. she debated paul ryan and she joins me on the phone from milwaukee. lydia spotswood, welcome to you. let's go back, if we can, to 1998 and listen briefly to your opponent at the time, 28-year-old paul ryan. >> i'm not as interested in bringing star studded celebrities in from washington to tell people to vote for me or vote for somebody else, i want to talk to people one on one so they know what i believe in. >> 28. how about that? i have to wonder, lydia, was it
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easy to underestimate your youthful opponent there? >> it was very easy, obviously. i was old enough to be his mom. i still am. >> you pointed that out during the debate. >> i sure did. but what i found was someone who is very, very slick. he was able to really use the debate format basically to his own ends. he had a tendency to play fast and loose with the format. and he actually developed a shtick, if you will, of pretended indignation whenever he didn't like a question. and he was very evasive. he would often rotate to his own script and completely ignore the moderator and it was fascinating actually watching this and romney's debate with the president. i was watching a lot of the same stuff. >> hearing your words, lydia, these are some pretty harsh words you have for paul ryan,
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you just said pretended indignati indignation, slick, i've read evasive, bullying, deceptive, phony, and quite a few more. can we get specific? can you give me one example of ryan behaving as a bully, your word? >> well, absolutely. you know, on the campaign trail, he basically portrayed himself as the paycheck protection candidate. that was his little moniker he gave himself. when we tried to pin him down, what he was really talking about was trying to protect people's paychecks from taxes. you try to delve into that question with him, his big mantra was flatter, fairer, simpler taxes. if you tried to get him to be specific on tax policy, he would immediately become evasive and wro rotate into his stump speech. you can't get him to answer questions. and you can see when he was pressed to answer a specific
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question, he would get a little surly. >> we will check -- we'll check his surly factor tomorrow night and see how specific he can get and same holds true for the vice president. but also from what i read, lydia, as you described it, at the time, we point out 28-year-old paul ryan, unmarried, you know, no kids, was turning up at these events with his sister-in-law, and her baby, and from what i can tell, you're suggesting that he was suggesting that this was his family, that this was his wife, his child. >> well, you know, he was creating visual wallpaper throughout the course of his campaign. not only was he out on the trail with extended family members and that left a visual impression on the minds of a lot of folks, but even in his campaign ads he was creating the intentional perception that he had been involved in a construction industry. and you can understand, he needed to create a narrative that helped him to fit in better to the district since he left
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for college, basically all he had done was get up into his elbows with politics in washington with folks like john boehner and sam brownback and bob caston. he had been schooling himself very carefully in the art of politics, both majoring in political science and working with politicians. so when he came back to the district it was clear that he was at pains to really present a somewhat different narrative to the voters of the district. >> i'm hearing these words, lydia, just have to ask, youwal indignati indignation, are you still irked so many years later that you lost? >> well, you know, there was a feeling that, you know, he used surreptitious names. so when i look back at my own license and i feel very blessed, we went through a situation in our family where someone was very, very ill, and i look back and know that if, if i had won that election, i likely would have had to leave congress to
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come back home for that family situation, fortunately we saw a full recovery and i have a chance to go on and really work with other families in similar situations. so i don't personally have a feeling of, you know, gee -- >> just curious. i'm listening to you and i wanted to ask. that was 1998. but you'll be watching, i presume you'll be watching, yes, tomorrow night? >> yes, absolutely. and i expect to see a lot of the same things again. >> all right, litt lydia spotsw we'll watch for him and the vice president as well. thank you so much for calling in, facing paul ryan in a debate back in 1998. a quick reminder to all of you, stay with us at cnn for debate night in america. vice president joe biden, congressman paul ryan to get really their turn to tackle the most pressing issues facing our country, watch the vp debate tomorrow night, our coverage begins at 7:00 on cnn and also this today, what did
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the white house know, when did they know it? lawmakers grilling the obama administration about that attack on the u.s. consulate in bengha benghazi, libya, and today became very, very political. we'll talk with wolf blitzer next. here is a taste of what's happening now. >> 230 security instances in libya between june of 2011 and july of 2012. of those attacks, 48 took place in benghazi. two of which at the u.s. diplomatic compound and the scene of the september 11th 2012 terrorist attacks and we're saying, i think it is the result of a video that was on youtube. and this is based on intelligence. i got to ask you, ambassador kennedy, you say you couldn't possibly have a different idea about things than security rice did when she went before the nation on september 16th. i'll tell you, this thing smells from every single -- it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. for you to come in here and say,
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well, it was based on some of the things i knew, but i can't tell you all i knew, we have four americans dead and i got to tell you, it is very upsetting for me to go back home and look at those people in the eye, people who don't do what we do here with all the briefings and all the intelligence, just guys that work every day and women that work every day and they can come home and they can figure it out, but we're still trying to figure it out and piece it together and you watch it in real time? and the account wasn't there of the ambassador saying good-bye to a turkish friend outside the gates and everything was quiet. but my goodness, those terrorists got a hold of that video and between 8:30 and 9:40, they decided to go crazy. and thank you for pointing out that hope is not a strategy, and i feel sorry for you and lieutenant colonel wood to have to come here because it is you who run the ground. you're not watching in some far away room in real time, your people are there in real time.
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first, just the sheer shock of the u.s. ambassador killed in an attack on one of the count country's consulates in libya and then the slow realization this attack was no spur of the moment kind of attack, but planned, a deliberate and brutal attack by terrorists. and now this house committee, the house oversight committee wants to know what the white house knew what did state department officials know when it came to security threats, u.s. interests in libya and more importantly when did they know it? hearings still under way right now. live pictures here from the hill. i want you to listen to this exchange. this is between darrell issa and charlene lamb.
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it it starts quiet enough, but wait for it, because it gets testy. >> a compound owned by us in severing like a consulate was in fact breached less than 60 days before, approximately 6 d0 days before the murder of the ambassador in that facility. isn't that true? >> sir, we had the correct number of assets in benghazi at the time of 9/11 for what had been agreed upon. >> my time has expired. to start off by saying you had the correct number and our ambassador and three other individuals are dead and people are in the hospital recovering because it only took moments to breach that facility, somehow doesn't seem to ring true to the american people. >> i want to bring in wolf blitzer in washington. i want to get straight to hillary clinton. because my question is, you know, she has incredibly high approval ratings. she has been touted as a possible presidential candidate come 2016.
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where is she today and how might all of this cloud her legacy? >> those are great questions and there is no easy answers. i know what the chairman darrell issa, the man you had in that exchange, the congressman, he says he's pleased, he's been saying relatively nice things about the secretary of state, hillary clinton, herself, because she has made available for his committee testimony, and you saw it today, from senior officials. she has not herself testified, but other ranking officials at the state department have gone before darrell issa's committee to testify today and they have provided a lot of documents, information that the committee wants to have in its legitimate pursuit of congressional oversight, how could this have happened, let's learn the lessons, make sure it doesn't happen down the road. clearly there were blunders. everyone recognizes there were major blunders leading up to this, this was the 11th anniversary of 9/11. and all u.s. facilities around the world should have been on heightened alert, especially in the place like benghazi, libya,
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where there were numerous reports that there were al qaeda related terrorists operating out there, not all these rebels who overthrew gadhafi in libya where necessarily small d democrats. so serious problems and let's learn the lessons of what happened. i think the biggest blunder the administration made was in going forward, in that -- in the public statements in the days that followed, they certainly left the impression that it was similar to the demonstrations taking place in cairo and elsewhere as a result of that 14-minute little youtube trailer, that anti-muslim trailer, when it is now clear that what happened in benghazi, libya, had nothing to do at all with that 14-minute trailer. you have susan rice who went on five sunday talk show, five days after the anniversary, and insisted that it was similar to what happened in some of the other diplomatic missions. >> okay, wolf, i know you're going to be all over this today. excellent interview with mitt
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legendary ceo jack welch is taking a lot of heat today after doubling down on his tweet. this is his tweet about the unemployment numbers released last friday. here's the former ge's chief tweet "unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change numbers." now look what welch writes today in the op-ed page in "the wall street journal." he's not backing down. "unfortunately for those who would like me to pipe down, the 7.8 unemployment figure released by the bureau of labor statistics last week is downright implausible and that is why i made a stink about it." welch also cited the journal in his e-mail after quitting to write for fortune. welch writes he gets better "traction" with the daily paper. when it comes to distrust and reporting, jack welch certainly is not alone. take a look at what gary tuchman uncovered about voters, about
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polls and, yep, the media when he followed paul ryan on the stump. >> reporter: before he walks into this college gymnasium in rochester, michigan, the crowd's already been whipped into a frenzy. and on the same day when paul ryan's done with his campaign speech here in swanton, ohio. >> i really appreciate it. thank you. >> reporter: there's no shortage of enthusiastic supporters hoping to shake the vice presidential candidate's hand. ryan then delivers a well-received stump speech. >> we need to change presidents. and we need to elect mitt romney the next president of the united states. >> reporter: but amid the enthusiasm there is anger among many people at these rallies. seething anger at the news media. >> the media lies. the media are for obama. >> i got to be honest, i can't stand it. it's brutal. it's dechtly one-sided. >> let's hear it for paul ryan. >> reporter: paul ryan said it himself that he believes there was media bias against the gop ticket. and at these rallies a
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widespread belief that presidential preference polls are part of that conspiracy. >> i don't think the polling is very fair. i believe that there are a lot more romney supporters out there. >> i think the polls are bias too. i think they're pulling more democrats and more favor for the democrats. >> reporter: do you think the pollsters want the obama ticket to be in front? >> i do. >> i think they're shaping them for obama. i mean, the media -- it's the liberal media. and whatever they can to help him. >> reporter: do you think that the polls that have shown that obama's in the lead are inaccurate? >> yeah. i don't believe those. i don't believe them. i know they had a poll that said that the polls were wrong. they had a poll that said the polls were wrong. so i don't believe that. >> reporter: you believe the poll that said the polls are wrong? >> no. i don't believe any of it. >> reporter: it's easy to bash polls and pollsters. and not at all unusual.
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but it becomes more complicated that new polling comes out that indicate your candidate is in front. that's what happened in the middle of our day, but a pew research poll showed romney in the lead. >> everybody says that the polls are skewed one way. >> reporter: a recent poll comes out that shows romney in front. how do you feel about that poll? >> well, he got a good bump out of the debate. >> reporter: so you're saying you believe that poll? >> yeah. >> reporter: for the people in this room, it is indeed tempting to now believe these latest numbers. but not everyone is ready to believe. the pew research poll shows romney in front now. do you believe that's accurate? >> probably as accurate as any out there. >> reporter: this woman had a thought she wanted to express. >> i think the only poll that's going to count is the one on november 6th. >> reporter: you can argue with what many people are saying, but you can't argue with that. >> gary tuchman, wow. that's a lot of people. a lot of opinions.
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biassed, not fair these polls. one woman saying there's a poll that says they're all wrong. i don't know what that poll is, but any who. what about the democrats though? once the polls start swinging away from president obama, did they feel the same way? >> we're hearing increasingly over the last week including us we have done too much coverage of last week's debate because we want obama to look bad because we want the race to get closer. so we're hearing it from the democrats too about media bias. >> okay. gary tuchman, thank you. now this, this young face of courage. this young girl marked for death by taliban gunmen. they stopped her school bus. they opened fire. simply because she dared to defy them. we're going to hear from her next. quil, but i still have a runny nose. [ male announcer ] truth is, dayquil doesn't work on runny noses. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have an antihistamine. really? [ male announcer ] really. alka-seltzer plus cold and cough fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a fast acting antihistamine to relieve your runny nose. [ sighs ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth!
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granted, even groan about from time to time, the right to go to school. >> i have the right of education. i have the right to play. i have the right to sing. i have the right to talk. i have the right to go to market. i have the right to speak. >> that is malala yousufzai late last year. she is in the hospital today. she's fighting for her life. why? because she was attacked by the taliban in pakistan whose goal is to rob malala and girls just like her of the right to go to school. they hunted her down on a school bus asking for her by name and then they shot her. why would a young girl put her life on the line when so many others are afraid to speak up, afraid to leave their own rooms? here's what she told us. >> don't stay in your room because god will ask you on the day of judgment that where were you when your people were asking you, when your school fellows were asking you and when your school was asking you that i am being blown up when your pe


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