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oprah winfrey but will he talk to them? that's all for us tonight. "a.c. 360" starts for us now. piers, thanks, everyone. it is 10:00 here on the east coast. tonight, a pretty stunning statement about governor chris christie, a man who could one day be president or run for president. quote, i'm worried about this man dying in office. christie is also speaking out about his health. our question tonight, could someone who is considered overweight also be considered healthy. we have answers for you ahead. "360" m.d. sanjay gupta will join us for that. also, why some people build bunkers. what drives them to prepare for everything from natural disasters to the end of the world as he see it. we begin tonight with breaking news. the first look at the bunker jimmy lee dykes turned into a prison cell for a 5-year-old boy and a kind of twisted alamo where he made his final fatal stand. a bunker we're now learning that included two bombs. the fbi just released the
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photos. this is the bunker itself. the blue tent was added to preserve any evidence that may be underneath. now, as you can see, official vehicles surround the property. the sheriff's department, humvee, and in the background, a large armored vehicle. you can see the crime scene tape roping off a perimeter. this surrounded by sandbags is the pvc piping that leads into that bunker. negotiators used it to communicate at times with dykes. communications growing tenser and tenser, they say, until a decision was made to go in. so now this man, jimmy lee dykes, is dead, killed by an fbi team. his captive ethan -- we're withholding his last name -- is out of the hospital and said to be doing well. in a moment, what lies ahead for him. we'll talk with ed smart. he of course was lucky enough to be able to help his daughter elizabeth heal after being held captive for months. john walsh. "america's most wanted" is also going to join us. and we'll talk with the son of the heroic bus driver who died trying to stop the kidnapper.
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first though there's a lot more unfolding at this moment. martin savidge has the latest from the crime scene. marty, what are we learning? >> reporter: anderson, you were talking about both those photos and, now, the word of these explosive devices. we've been told all day long by authorities that one of the reasons why the public wasn't being allowed in the area was the concern for these explosive devices. now we learn there were two of them, one located inside the bunker, which would show you how dangerous it was the entire time for that young child and the agents that made the entry. and now the other device, we're being told, was found inside that pvc pipe, which was used for the communication. in those photographs, you might have noticed the roof of the bunker collapsed in, which would show you the force of the explosion that was used to gain entry and bring about the rescue. meanwhile, ethan, as you say, is out of the hospital. he's in good spirits, we're told. but his whereabouts right now are being kept secret. that's exactly the way his family wanted it. meanwhile, we took a look at exactly the breakdown of how this raid took place. and here it is. for days, as the command center
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and a nearby church continue to grow, authorities remain in constant communications with jimmy lee dykes. speaking to him over a telephone in his bunker. a law enforcement source characterized dykes as contentious the entire time. despite that, dykes allowed authority to deliver what were called comfort items through a hatch. >> he's also allowed us to provide coloring books, medication, toys. >> reporter: dykes was said to be caring for the boy, providing even an electric heater and blankets to keep him warm, leading authorities to take the unusual step of thanking the boy's kidnapper. >> i want to thank him for taking care of our child. >> reporter: all seemed well until sunday afternoon when negotiators noticed a change in dykes' demeanor. >> within the past 24 hours, negotiations deteriorated. >> reporter: according to law enforcement sources on the scene, authorities used a camera to monitor what was going on inside the bunker, while an fbi source tells cnn surveillance
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drones were used to observe the site from above round the clock. meanwhile, highly trained fbi hostage rescue teams like this one in an fbi training video took turns on stand-by round the clock. sources say those rescue teams practiced their result on a mock-up of dykes' bunker. monday, authorities continued to monitor the change in dykes' demeanor. publicly officials gave no indication but for the first time hinted he had a motive. >> he has a story that's important to him, although it's very complex. >> reporter: meanwhile, a team from the dothan fire department trained in collapsed building rescues quietly was put on alert and brought in. >> mr. dykes was observed holding a gun. >> reporter: that's when the hrt team struck. brian martin is a neighbor. >> i heard a big boom. then i heard -- i believe i heard rifle shots.
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>> fbi agents, fearing the child was in imminent danger, entered the bunker and rescued the child. >> reporter: sources tell cnn federal agents detonated large explosions, then two or more agents dropped into the underground space, shooting the gunman multiple times, killing him. 5-year-old ethan was unharmed. it was all over in seconds. for a clearly exhausted dale county sheriff wally olson, it was a relief. >> we appreciate everybody in law enforcement pulling together to get this job done. thank you. >> talking about pulling together, do we know how many people were involved in this operation? >> anderson, authorities tell us tonight that there were literally hundreds of people that were involved. not just here in the immediate area, boots on the ground, but we're talking about all the way to washington, d.c. and beyond. there were just so many people. by the way, one person that is also added to the list as far as heroes that have helped and that's charles poland. his name went up outside of the
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school this morning, which resumed, that's the school where ethan left from, that's the school that the bus driver drove out of. he's definitely a hero in many people's books here. >> certainly sounds like it. as marty's been reporting, so many people did so many things right for this to end the way it did. there are many heroes to this story. i do want to focus closely on the original one that marty was talking about, the school bus driver charles poland. he was laid to rest over the weekend. as marty said, he's being called a hero today in that community. by now you know probably how he died. standing up to the gunman, trying to save his kids. he considered those kids on the bus his kids. what made him a hero, what would have equipped him for that moment, what gave him the courage to stand up was already written in the way he lived his life every day. earlier tonight, i talked about his life with his son aaron. aaron, let me just start by saying, again, i'm so sorry for your loss. your dad has been called a hero by so many people. people in the community say he
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was a god-fearing man, loved his community and loved in his community. when your first reaction to hear that ethan was safe, what went through your mind? >> the thing that got me the most was knowing that my dad's last stop was final. because ethan was home with his mom. so he was safe. and that's my dad's key job was to make sure that every child was delivered safely to their parents. >> there are reports that your dad stood up to the kidnapper, blocked him from coming on to the bus. you say that doesn't surprise you at all, that he'd be trying to protect those kids. >> no, sir. that's -- my dad didn't have a selfish bone in his body. he did everything that he could to be right, to do the right thing for everybody around him or anybody that he cared for. >> just about every photo i've seen of your dad, he had a smile on his face. was that his -- was that all the time? >> pretty much.
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i cannot remember a single time in my life of not seeing a smile on my dad, either a little smile or a little smirk. he always had that little just to make you feel good smile. he always had a feel-good smile. >> what else do you want people to know about your dad, to remember about him? >> if you don't mind, i'll tell you a story. me and my dad years ago when i was a teenager, we used to go to dauphin which is a town close by where we lived. we worked on diesel engines on saturdays. and we went down and on our drive down to do a job. and there was a gentleman at a red light asking for some help. and my dad pulled off and said -- told the man, listen, i won't give you any money, but if you're hungry i'll give you some food. the man said, i appreciate that. the man took him to a hardee's
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down the road. we pulled in and my dad bought all the food this man wanted to eat. even though -- i'll be honest with you, at the time it was hard times for our family. but my dad was just that kind of guy. he would rather make sure somebody else was taken care of, do without to make sure somebody else was taken care of. and he bought this man all kind of food. and then when the man got through eating, he went and bought him another big bag of food and said, this is for a later time. he told him, remember, that somebody cares for you. i care for you. and that there's a god that cares for you also. >> that's an incredible story. and he cared for those kids. he loved driving that bus and wanted to protect those kids. >> yes. i was home at thanksgiving. my mom had the -- well, we were sitting around, me and my dad, we always -- when i come home, we go in the backyard and there's a swing and my dad has a fire pit. we had a fire going. we just sit there. me and my dad sit there and it was our time to talk and stuff. and he'd tell me some of the
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stories of his kids that one of them got their first "a" on their report card. he would tell me stories of how he would travel some of the athletes, the wrestling team and stuff. he would talk about this one won their first event. and he would be so proud. he was glad that they were to do things, and he was encouraging to them all the time. any time they did something good, my dad was proud. it was like his own kids doing something good. my dad was enjoying every bit of it. >> sounds like he was a hero not just in that last day of his life, pretty much every day in his dealings with other people and his dealings with those children, and the way he went about his work and his love for his family. again, i'm so sorry for your loss, aaron. please give my best to the rest of your family. >> yes, sir. and i will. >> sounded like quite a man. ethan's mom released a statement today saying for the first time in almost a week, i woke up this morning to the most beautiful sight -- my sweet boy. i can't describe how incredible
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it is to hold him again. i'll never be able to repay those who helped bring ethan home. my family and i ask that you respect our privacy and give us a little time, time to heal, time to put this nightmare behind us, time to move forward. out of respect to the family, we're not reporting his last time. he's 5 years old. he'll turn 6 tomorrow. but we do want to understand what happens when a child, like ethan, has been through a life-altering trauma like this. ed smart, his daughter elizabeth was kidnapped when she was 14, held by her captors for nine months. along with john walsh, he's a victim's advocate and host of "america's most wanted." john, first of all, what's gone through your mind as you've been following the story of ethan's kidnapping and his rescue in alabama? >> well, first of all, i've got to say charles poland sr. is the real hero. he stood up to a man with a gun and saved we don't know how many countless kids because that low
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life whack-job dykes wasn't going to come out of that bunker alive. as you said, my heart goes out to charles poland's family. and those fbi agents that got into that bunker and risked their lives to bring this boy back alive. i went through two weeks looking for adam and praying that there would be a happy result, and have been involved in thousands of cases where there wasn't a happy result. 31 years ago the fbi refused to enter adam's case. that's not something they did. but the cooperation between that sheriff, local, state and federal agency and those fbi agents, they saved that boy's life. it's a wonderful, wonderful ending. i know ed is standing by, but i will never forget flying out to salt lake city to meet elizabeth the day after she was recovered alive. every now and then we get a happy ending. so i was just thrilled to hear that that little boy's alive. >> and ed, for you, for a family to go through a trauma like ethan's family, the days of not knowing, that fear, i can't imagine. as a parent, how do you get
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through that? >> i think the not knowing is the worst part of it. and john went through that, and so many parents do. and you know, it is really just by the prayers and the blessings of others that you make it through there. it's just wanting to know where your child is, how they're surviving and you want them home more than anything, but we are just so thrilled for ethan and his family. and the law enforcement have done an outstanding job. it's so great to hear it works and they're working together. everyone got on the same page and made it happen. and this hero, charles poland, it's just outstanding. you want to hear about more people that are doing the right thing, but for ethan, we are so happy for him that he is home and, you know, as the mother's requested, there's no media around them.
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it's a time to find that new normal and to basically re-establish that love, let that child know that there isn't any fault on his part for what happened and that he is loved unconditionally so and life is going to be good and he's going to be able to pick up and move forward. >> ed, i'm wondering if this is something that elizabeth follows. because i know she's now grown and is living a life and, you know, is moving forward with her own life. when something like this happens, is that something you guys talk about? >> certainly. you know, we try to do whatever we can to be of help. you know, we've established the elizabeth smart foundation so that we can reach out and try and help families and children, and help others have the same result that we've had because, you know, happy endings are wonderful. and we need more of them.
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when we get the effort that law enforcement made in this situation, made the right decisions, the efforts were coordinated. i mean, it ends in happiness and joy. >> you know, john, you've spent decades to help hunt down countless criminal on "america's most wanted." you have this case where a guy murder a school bus driver and abduct a child and tries to get another child off that bus. school bus drivers have undergone training about what to do in the event somebody came on the bus with a gun, but this is the kind of thing you almost can't prepare for this, can you? >> you really can't. and it begs a bigger question that you and i have talked about a lot, anderson, is how can this guy, this whack-job dykes whose neighbors reported him
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carrying a gun up and down his property in the middle of the night, for threatening neighbors, he was going to go to court for shooting a gun off in the air, and beating a neighbor's dog with a lead pipe. how it is that somebody couldn't go to that house and say, you're not stable. we're not talking about big brother here. that somebody couldn't have gone to that house and taken that gun away from that guy before he got on a school bus, before he murdered a school bus driver and held a gun down in that bunker with that kid? god bless that school district for teaching that bus driver, but it took his guts to stop that guy and four bullets to take charles poland sr. down. but it begs a bigger question. when are we going to realize that certain people shouldn't have gun, can't have guns and that we have no mental health system in this country that would prevent this? >> ed, in term of the process for moving forward, what will the recovery process be like for ethan, for his family? it's different for everybody, but what advice would you give? >> you know, i think that immediately helping to establish
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the routines that he's used to and putting him back into his old life is born. you know, initially the first week or two, we were just showing elizabeth special attention, and then the kids were kind of at a point where it's time to get back to life. so you know, the first few days, it's important that he knows he has love and support, and then following that, re-establishing those routines and creating that new normal and making sure that he can move forward. everyone handles things differently. some of them need treatment and help, others are able to pick up and move forward, but it's so important to be aware of what their needs are. and i'm sure his parents, more than anyone, know what his needs are and will make sure that he gets that help. >> ed and john, i'm glad that we could be together on a story where there is a happy ending
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for this little boy and for this boy's family. thank you so much for being with us. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> you can follow me on twitter tonight @andersoncooper. governor christie is facing questions about his weight and his health. a former white house doctor said she's worried his obesity can kill him. our question tonight, can someone who is very overweight be considered someone that's healthy. if beyonce's performance didn't cause the super bowl blackout, then what is the culprit? wait for it... wait for it... [ dog ] you know, i just don't think i should have to wait for it! who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, we won't make you wait for it. our efficient, online system allows us to get you through your home loan process fast. which means you'll never have to beg for a quick closing.
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cnn's jim acosta. >> i worry that he may have a heart attack, he may have a stroke. it's almost like a time bomb waiting to happen unless he addresses those issues before he runs for office. >> she's talking about the governor's obesity. she's worried that he could die in office. this is not the first time that chris christie's weight has been in the news. he's usually pretty good natured about the punch lines. last night on david letterman's show he made light of his weight again, even eating a doughnut while letterman apologized for the fat jokes about him in the past. then the governor said this. >> dave, my cholesterol's normal, believe it or not. >> that's pretty good. >> yeah. >> what about your blood sugar? >> blood sugar also normal. >> also normal. >> i'm like basically the healthiest fat guy you've ever seen in your life. >> well, fat guy, his words, who is also governor of new jersey with possible higher political ambitions. today christie kind of doubled down about his weight and his health. here's what he said. >> so far, up to 50 years old, i've been remarkably healthy. my doctor continues to warn me that my luck is going to run out
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relatively soon. believe me, it's something that i'm very conscious of. but in terms of people in the state being concerned about whether or not it prevents me from being able to do my job effectively, i think they've seen the results of that. >> so all this got us wondering is it possible to be as healthy as governor christie says he is while being overweight. earlier, i talked to chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. governor christie says he's quote -- and, again, i'm quoting here -- he says, i'm basically the healthiest fat guy you've ever seen in your life. what do you make of that? can you be healthy and overweight? >> i think the idea of being overweight is immediately associated with being unhealthy is probably a little bit of a myth. you and i have talked about this before. it cuts sort of both ways. there are people who are healthier than you think who are overweight and there are people who are not as healthy as you think just because they are lean or thin. so weight certainly does matter, but i think physical activity
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and lots of other things that governor christie referred to a little bit in terms of cholesterol, blood sugar, things like that, probably make a bigger difference. >> but it's confusing to me. because i remember hearing that every inch of, you know, fat you have on your stomach adds to the threat of heart disease. and then i also saw a study that said if you're a little overweight, people who are a little overweight may actually be healthier. >> right. that was an interesting study about our definition of what is an ideal body weight may be a little bit off. this whole notion of body mass index may not be the best measure. but you're right, adding inches specifically is an indication of how much fat you might have, that's called abdominal fat, the fat that surrounds your intestines. that you can't always see. measuring your waist gives you an indication of that. but there are people who can be very thin but essentially have lots of abdominal fat, still. they don't exercise. even though they look lean, they're probably wildly unhealthy. the flip side of that is people
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who have probably, you know, they look unhealthy, because of our standard definition of that, but they may not have as much abdominal fat. i don't know what the case is with governor christie. i don't know how active he is. but i did hear his comments that he's a healthy fat guy, i don't know that his cholesterol and blood sugar and his other indicators are relatively normal. >> he did say that his blood sugar and his cholesterol were normal. i also heard a former white house doctor say today that christie is a time bomb waiting to happen and she'd worry about him dying in office. that's a tough assessment. >> yeah, i heard those comments by dr. connie mariano. someone who i know pretty well. i've talked to her before. those are strong statements. i think there's no question. and i think we're probably all dealing with somewhat limited information here. all we sort of know about him, besides his comments today, is sort of what he looks like. and again, i think that's an indication, but in terms of the risk of heart disease and in terms of the risk of stroke and in terms of the risk of developing diabetes, weight is a factor, no question. but there are other factors as
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well. now those are the things that i think she was referring to with regard to a time bomb. >> christie says he has a plan to lose weight. what advice do you give him? >> diet will be the most important initially but increasing physical activity i think is a better predictor. someone who is physically active is a better predictor probably than his overall weight in the long run in terms of those big things, again, heart disease, stroke and diabetes. >> sanjay gupta, thanks. >> you got it, thank you. a reminder for you, if you wanted to see more on this story go to right now. the electrical problems that beyonce faced in rehearse but did that have anything to do with the lights going out during the super bowl? also why are some people building bunkers? we'll take you inside a bunker of a man who is proud to be called a survivalist who is preparing for the end times. he tells gary tuchman why he's ready to go underground. it's lots of things. all waking up. ♪
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well, it took four quarters for the baltimore ravens to turn out the lights on the 49ers. it took just seconds for something or someone to turn out half the lights in the new orleans superdome. the partial blackout lasted more than half an hour, as you know. the chatter about why it happened has been going on ever since. there were reports of electrical issues during beyonce's rehearsals. but what happened during the actual broadcast? brian todd is in new orleans for us tonight. he's got the latest on where the investigation is going. so, brian, we're finding out for the first time, there actually were some issues with beyonce's rehearsals in the weeks leading up to the super bowl game? >> that's right. those had been rumored for several days. now we have hard information from the nfl and the superdome's managers on that, there were in fact power issues during beyonce's rehearsals in the week leading up to the super bowl here inside the superdome. here's part of a statement.
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from the nfl we got a short time ago. there were some fluctuations in the frequency of the power supply but not in the amount of the power supplied to the building. that from the nfl. and that, of course, referring to the time during beyonce's rehearsals in the superdome. the nfl says there were no mass power outages during her rehearsals. and they also say because of those fluctuations, that's when they made the call to actually have her actual performance done on a different power system, on an independent power system from the superdome's power grid. that's why superdome officials and others are saying that her actual half time performance had nothing to do with the power outage. we got a chance to speak to doug thornton, from the management group that runs the superdome. here's what he had to say about beyonce's rehearsals. >> yes, we had a couple of fuses blown, a couple of circuits that were overloaded, but it had nothing to do with this power outage. it's totally unrelated. >> now, doug thornton says those
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are common occurrences when you have outside producers coming in who are not familiar with the circuitry of the building. now we called beyonce's representatives for comment on that. they would not comment at all on the rehearsals. >> we know that officials were aware of potential problems months in advance, not with anything that beyonce was doing but with the actual stadium, right? >> that's right, anderson. we obtained memos today from october circulating among the superdome officials, among the engineers that they hired talking about their worries about the power supply. one memo from october 15th said that the power feeders had some decay and had a chance of failure. another memo from about that time said that the main electrical feeds were not sufficiently reliable to support the high-profile event schedule. that memo warned that superdome officials that they might face liability because of that. they did, after those memos circulated in october, they did take steps and spent a lot of money, hundreds of thousands to upgrade the power feeding system.
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those upgrades were done by mid-december. we're now at the point where they are investigating what actually did cause the power outage. anderson. >> all right, brian, appreciate the update, thanks very much. alabama has put a so-called survivalist in the headlines. the man who built a bunker. but other people build bunkers as well. we wanted to look at why. gary tuchman takes us inside one man's bunker, one he built for his family in preparation for the end of the world. what we can learn from the new reconstruction of richard iii whose skeleton was found in england. collaboration with go daddy! with an online package including: domain name, website builder with five pages and basic email just $49.99! that's up to 76 percent below online providers and only at officemax stores!
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quick update on tonight's breaking news. two bombs found at the site of that hostage rescue in alabama. according to the fbi, one was found in that pvc pipe that you see there. authorities located another in the bunker itself. the discovery adding one final
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chilling note to an already terrifying tragic episode could have easily been worse. neighbors of the dead hostage taker jimmy lee dykes described him as a survivalist with anti-government views. these days, however, the concept of building a bunker is not as unusual as you would think. people build bunkers for all sorts of reasons. gary tuchman gets an up-close view of one bunker in utah built by a survivalist who is preparing for the worst. here is his report. >> reporter: he has a spectacular view of the mountains. a family man who lives in a beautiful neighborhood in utah. but peter larson has a very dark view of what the world has in store for us. we take a long ride with him into the mountains. daylight turns to sundown, sundown to darkness. then we arrive at the $65,000 structure where peter larson, his wife, his children and grandchildren plan to survive the attempted destruction of the world. so this is the bunker? >> this is it.
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>> reporter: peter larson is proud to be known as a survivalist, or as it's also known, a prepper. >> right now we're about 20 feet under ground and this unit is 50 feet long, ten foot diameter, corrugated steel pipe. >> reporter: he believes we're reaching the end of times. an economic collapse could cause a serious civic disorder, he theorizes, but he's most concerned about this -- >> there will be a nuclear holocaust. someone is going to pull the pin. >> reporter: your idea is that you will be down here with your family? >> right. >> reporter: he has an elaborate air filtration system to be used when disaster happens. >> this is now pumping air in from the outside. >> reporter: the bunker is packed with provisions which seem to get more dire the more you explore. >> under each bunk is personal storage. >> reporter: so those are your clothes. >> clothes, cold weather gear. then if we take a look at this one, this has some other items. >> reporter: you have guns in here? >> we've got some guns in this one. >> reporter: what is this? >> a colt ar-15. an old colt ar-15. >> reporter: got your ammo.
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>> got some ammo. magazines. >> reporter: you got enough bullets to start an army here. >> yeah. >> reporter: and right here, the holy bible. >> you know, that's actually part of preparedness. you know, when you read the bible or along with that, in my case being mormon, the book of mormon, it all indicates that in the last days -- and we feel like these are the last days -- there are some hard times. >> reporter: outside the bunker he has barrels of water, 2,000 gallons. inside a food supply worthy of a small grocery. cookies, ritz, macaroni and cheese, corn, salt, starkist and green giant green beans. >> this is beef jerky. >> reporter: why so much beef jerky? >> we love beef jerky. >> reporter: larson lives far away from the bunker. how will he get there in time for what he believes is an imminent disaster? >> i'm a faith oriented person. i spend a certain amount of time with heavenly father reminding
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him that i need about 24 hours notice. >> reporter: this bunker even comes with an escape hatch. this is here in case the entrance to the bunker is blocked after a nuclear disaster, if something falls on top of it. peter larson and his family can escape here. he says he has a philosophy he lives by. he's fearful of nothing because he's prepared for anything. guns, knives, some of his provisions which he has with him at all times. >> i even keep barter material with me. one of the things that i keep is cash. now, this, by the way, happens to be mostly one dollar bills, but if there was a breakdown in society. >> reporter: how much cash is in here? >> in here right now i've got about $2,000. >> reporter: he also carries gold rings. this gold, how much is it worth? >> between these two bags there's about $10,000 in gold. >> reporter: larson is not sheepish in the least about his outlook on life. >> we have mres stored down here.
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>> reporter: because he thinks it will extend his life and the lives of the people he loves. just before he climbs out of the escape hatch and closes up the bunker, i ask him one more question. if the whole world would be destroyed or all of utah would be destroyed, do you really want to live that kind of life? >> sure. >> reporter: larson believes it is unlikely that all of humankind will be destroyed. he says he wants his family to be part of the rebuilding of society. gary tuchman, cnn, san pete county, utah. >> interesting stuff. up next, more breaking news. a powerful earthquake off the solomon islands prompts a tsunami warning, plus champion skier lindsey vonn has to be airlifted from the alpine ski world championships after a crush during opening day. we'll tell you how she's doing right now. also ahead tonight a new picture of king richard iii -- this is fascinating stuff -- after a skeleton found in a parking lot in england is in fact the long-lost king. richard quest has an update for us. he does a dramatic reading of shakespeare you don't want to miss. with my niece.
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i'm deborah feyerick with some breaking news. a powerful magnitude 8 earthquake off the solomon islands in the south pacific has triggered a three-foot high tsunami described by one official as significant. immediate evacuations ordered for people living on the eastern coasts of new call done ya and the loyalty islands. both are south of the solomon islands near australia. there are no reports so far of injuries or damage. the tsunami warning is still in effect for the immediate area. the tsunami watch covers a larger zone including the marshall islands and new zealand. cnn international meteorologist joins me now. are people tracking the wave? what's the latest? the. >> basically, deb, there's a series waves. the initial wave sometimes isn't the most destructive. there's going to be several here. and depending on the or the yen tation of the slope of whatever
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shoreline it arrives, that will depend on the destruction. we have a significant changer. the depth has been revised. you get new data coming in. just the network we have in the pacific to bring us information. the seismologist will review the data. initially, five kilometers. that is very shallow. i'll switch over to miles because we're on the u.s. network now. that's very shallow. we're now talking 18 miles deep. that will make a difference. it should make a difference in that, in fact, the effects it has on the shoreline. because the wave will likely be a bit smaller. we already understand there has been damage to some shorelines so we're not try to minimize this. what i'd rather see is the change we have. which is the earthquake occurred deeper as opposed to more shallow but it was a major, in fact, a great earthquake at 8.0. sometimes you can go through a year without, deb, without
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getting one of these here, so as a result of this happening, underwater, in the pacific ocean, at the magnitude it did and at the depth that it did, tsunami warnings have been issued and we have multiple territories and countries that are involved. one of them is australia. also new zealand as well in that warning. >> the solomon islands are parent of what's known as the ring of fire. it's an area that's subject to a lot of earthquakes. this area has been hit several types over the last week with earthquakes that are registering 6 or above. what is going on? >> sometimes you actually can get what we call the foreshock or preshock. it's an indication of what is to happen. with the japan earthquake, we had a 9.0 there, we did not get a foreshock there. but with this one, about an hour before the event, before the 8.0, we had a 6.3 earthquake. that in itself would not trigger tsunami watches and warnings. because it's just the sheer
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magnitude is not strong enough. usually the threshold is 7.0. so that 6.3 happened an hour before the 8.0. when you get a significant event, you can have these aftershocks continuing and continuing. the difference is that because we're kind of in the middle of the pacific ocean here, i think that the aftershocks will be less significant because we have less populated areas around the region so that a 6.0 isn't going to be as significant. the main event here is the tsunami warning. and we are still and will likely be a while here before we can tell you the scope of the damage is along these shorelines. this is not japan where we had live cameras throughout the event. this is going to take a while to get the information out. >> okay, ivan, standby. i want to bring in cnn meteorologist chad myers is joining us on the phone. what are you hearing both about the quake and the tsunami from your end? >> well, it was a 3.0 foot wave. the closest approach to the wave.
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typically the wave will be the greatest nearest the epicenter. so that's all we get is 3.0. we're in very good shape. we do know villages have been destroyed near the eth quake. those villages may have been destroyed from the shaking alone. it is a tremendous quake. we've had 13 aftershocks of 5.0 or greater. two of those aftershocks are 6.0 or greater. this is an area used to earthquakes. you called it the ring of fire. back in april of 2007 this area about 400 miles from this area had an 8.1 earthquake which did some damage as well. so not out of the question that we will see more aftershocks. but the tsunami warning and the watch, i want to stress, they do not affect alaska, british columbia, california, hawaii, they do not affect the united states or north america. we're talking to the joint si typhoon warning center, they do
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not believe the united states will be affected at all. >> this is an area where you've got hundreds of islands scattered there. they touch the coast of australia pretty much if you're thinking geographically. we heard there was a 6.4 magnitude aftershock. how does that affect any potential tsunami? you're talking about something that's right now three feet high. one official did call it significant. when somebody calls it significant, specifically what are they trying to indicate? >> well, the 6.4 to start with your first question, all that will do would be to rattle the psyche of the people around there. they've already solved the first quake. now they' saw the tsunami come n to their village. they don't know how big it is. they don't know if it generated another tsunami. they'll want to stay away from their villages. 6.4 in itself will not generate a big tsunami like 3.0. i don't believe this 3.0 will be
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the greatest number we see. if you get a wave that looks like a crescent moon, you can accelerate that wave into that bay and we just don't know about those villages yet. >> there are some islands that are being told to get away from the coast. stay with cnn for updates. anderson is back next. what's next?
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time now for the ridiculist. tonight a story from california where they have a whole bunch of branches of restaurant called wienerschnitzel. we debated whether it's wienerschnitzel or wienerschnitzel. we don't have it here in new york because we prefer to get our hot dogs straight from a cart filled with tepid murky standing water, but i digress. so this guy goes in to ah wienerschnitzel to get a kid's meal, and apparently it came with a prize
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that happened to be a calendar featuring famous movie features with a canine component. the dogfather instead of the godfather, which is delightful. because in my experience there is one thing kids like more than calendars, it is scintillating word play based on violent movie mafia trilogies. it wasn't actually the dogfather that was the problem. it was "paws." that would be "jaws" with a dog instead of a shark. because the wienerschnitzel dog shark has a secret. the dad explains what happened when his 3-year-old son started playing with his fun new calendar. >> we were a little surprised to find out when we got home that he had picked the sticker off one of the insert pictures and it showed what appeared to be a naked lady underneath. >> that's right. nothing will ruin a kid-friendly calendar quite as fast as a naked lady. the makers of the calendar glued a sticker on top of the naked swimmer showing her in a swimsuit. but we all know how rough kids can be on their toys. so when they start playing with
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their calendars, a mere sticker doesn't stand a chance. local residents are totally outraged. i may be exaggerating about that. >> i don't think it's appropriate for that kind of age. >> by putting the sticker on there, at least they tried to fix it. because cost-wise, i mean, it's going to be a huge cost to the company just to go back in there and reprint it for one picture. >> i think it's a bunch of nothing. i think that's very harmless. obviously they tried to correct it. >> even with the sticker on, it's kind of weird seeing a dog trying to eat a lady. i don't know. >> i don't know either, ma'am. i just don't know either. the whole concept of this calendar for kids is a little confounding to me, but in general dogs replacing people in iconic movie images, that's just a stellar idea. a great idea now, and it was a great idea in "best in show." >> we have this idea, like, well, we loved old movies so much and so we wanted to put it together into one project. which was going to, you know, set the world aflame basically. i don't know if it's going to do that. >> we'll see. we're not going to sell it. we're just going to give it out to frien


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