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ashton kutcher. >> it had steve jobs' mannerisms but it didn't have his thinking or his thoughts. >> tune in tomorrow night for a very honest and colorful interview, as always. watch that. that's tomorrow night. for tonight, that is it from us. tonight, the reporter who made nsa leaker edward snowden a household name says he's facing retaliation by government forces targeting his spouse. my exclusive. later tonight, we're on the fire lines where the tide may be turning but it is a race against weather conditions. it could breathe new life into the inferno. also tonight, how a convicted baby killer who is suspected in the deaths of dozens of other kids who might soon walk free. and the mother who's determined that she doesn't. we begin, though, with that "360" exclusive involving
alleged misewe of government power. to intimidate and persecute visitors. like this man who you see here in the rio de janeiro airport, david miranda and his spouse glenn greenwald. greenwald writes for britain's guardian newspaper and has been edward snowden's conduit to the world. sunday, miranda was heading home from berlin having met with a documentary filmmaker known as laura poitras who has been working with miranda. while he was changing planes in london, british authorities detained him and questioned him for nearly nine hours under britain's anti-terrorism law. as you'll hear only on "360," he claims they did not ask him a single question about terrorism. they did, however, threaten him with jail time and confiscated his laptop and just a short time ago, for the first time since the incident, i spoke with david
miranda and glenn greenwald. david, let's just start where there's been a lot of misreporting. just take us through what happened. you were on a plane. there was an announcement that everyone had to show passports. and then what happened? >> well, i walk out, and there was two officers just waiting by the door of the plane. they just like were checking people. they picked up my passport and looked at my name and face and just asked me, sir, can you accompany me? and i went with them. we went to this room, and there was four chairs in there, and a table, and they start asking me questions there. the moment i got there, they told me that i was under this law, because i asked why i was being held. they stay there was a law from 2000, and i asked what was my rights in there and what do i have to do. they say i have to answer every question and if i didn't cooperate i could go to jail.
>> what kind of things were they asking and saying to you, david? >> well, they asked me all kinds of questions, and they asked me about my relationship with glenn. they asked about my relationship with laura and what i was doing on my trip to germany. and what i was carrying, everything. >> and david, british authorities say that they detained you under, it's called schedule 7 of the uk terrorism act which allows them to question someone to determine if they are or have been, and i quote, concerned of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism. did they actually ask you anything about terrorism? >> no, they did not ask me anything about terrorism. not one question about it.
and i think it's really weird, because i was there for like eight hours without talking to nibble outside and they like took me, i have to ask them, do i have to answer this, and they were just telling me, if you don't answer this, you're going to go to jail. you you know, that's a big thing because like when they say like i was under this law, you know what uk and united states do. they have all the powers in the world to do anything they want because they've been following me and glenn's career for of the past ten years. because i have seen many stories of people in different countries. nobody seen them. and that moment, i was like, really afraid what would happen to me. >> sure. >> and i was -- you understand that i was for eight hours without talking to anybody on the outside the world. i didn't noah was happening and they keep talking about me going
to the jail about that law. >> and glenn, got a call from a person who wouldn't give his identification number. what did that person say was happening to david? >> the very first thing he said to me he was being detained by that point already three hours, which made me know it was much more than a secondary screening of immigration. i asked if i could speak to him or have a lawyer from "the guardian" speak to him. they said you cannot speak to him and he does not have the right to have a lawyer present with him. i asked them their intentions and how long he would be held and they said they had no idea. >> you said they took a laptop, your cell phone and more. do you know what was stored on those devices? was there classified material? >> i don't know that.
i was just taking those materials back to glenn. you know, glenn has been working with a lot of stories along the years, i didn't quite follow everything he writes every day. i can't follow him, because i have to have a life. i can't know everything that he's been working with. >> so david has visited this filmmaker in ber minute. berlin. i read the guardian paid for david's flights. glenn, was he carrying classified material with him? >> i'm not going to talk about what he was carrying, because that's our work product as journalists, remember, both laura and ire working with "the guardian" as journalists. what i would say is every single newsroom in the united states, every news organization in the world has classified information, reporting on what governments do in the secret is what journalism is about. so if you want to support the idea that states can just go and confiscate from journalists
classified information, you should be demanding that your government go physically into newsrooms and see whatever classified information is there. all of the information involves pentagon papers. that's what investigative journalism is. if you want to start criminalizing that, it means you're asking as a citizen to be kept ignorant and allow people in power to conceal what they're doing behind a wall of secrecy. and to have no accountability or transparency. journalism is not a crime and it's not terrorism. >> i would also imagine any information david might have had was likely duplicated. backed up someplace else. so it's not like that would make it disappear by confiscating it, so i guess this was to intimidate you and send a message to others. >> what they did is ludicrous. first of all, of course, we have multiple dids of every single thing that they're working on.
nobody would ever travel with only one copy of anything, even if you just lose it or it's stolen, that would be inane. of course we have multiple copies around the world in different places. so taking it in no way accomplishes anything. secondly, every thing that we carry, even personal items, are protected by very advanced and heavy forms of inscription which they didn't access so taking that doesn't let them know what's in there either. so all it did is give them a huge black eye in the world make them look thuggish and authoritarian, interfering in the process, creating international incidents with the government of brazil, for no benefit at all to themselves, which is why i said they'll come to regret what they've done. because aside from being oppressive and dangerous, it's also quite incompetent and quite dumb. >> we're going to have more of interview next, including claims david was detained on orders from washington.
the u.s., glenn, has said that they got a heads-up that david might be detained, but they have said they're not the ones who are behind it that this was a law enforcement matter in the uk, do you buy that? his answer to that question next. let us know follow me on twitter @andersoncooper. an ak-37 gunman shows up at an elementary school. my lower back. it was a life change for me. i feel great, i'm energized. and i think sleep keeps you young. if you toss and turn at night, have back pain or wake up tired with no energy , the sleep number bed could be your solution. the sleep number bed is the only bed with dual air technology air chambers that let you adjust to your ideal support and put you in control of firmness-your sleep number setting. and this bed is perfect for couples because each side adjusts independently.
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requested. and it's something that was done specifically by the british law enforcement officials there. >> so officially, a heads up for britain but not a request from america. i asked glenn greenwald whether he buys that. here's what he told me. >> i don't have evidence that the u.s. government ordered it, but i'm very disturbed that my own government was aware of this foreign country's intent to detain my partner and did nothing to discourage it or to protect the right of free press guaranteed in the first amendment of the constitution, or did everything else to protect the rights that we have as human beings and as an american and as a journalist. so whether the idea originated with the uk or u.s., clearly the u.s. was perfectly happy to see that. >> david, when you got back on the plane to brazil, what was that feeling? >> i was relieved. i mean, i was in my country.
i knew i was going to be protected, because i was in my country. i know that people here would be caring about this situation, and i was going to see my husband. and we're going to be together and i know he was going to cake of this whole situation. >> glenn, i saw a quote from you saying you would be more aggressive, not less in reporting on england. headlines seem to indicate you would be acting out of revenge. is that accurate? >> it's completely inaccurate, anderson. i was asked whether or not the detention of david would deter my reporting and what i thought the outcome would be for the uk government. what i said was that if they think they're going to deter me in any way from this disturbing behavior they're deluded it's going to have the opposite effect. it will embolden me, because when i see governments abuse their powers, i realize that they need even more transparency and more accountability and
makes me want to work harder and faster to inform the world and what it is they're doing. when i said they would regret it, it wasn't because i would publish out of vengeance, but because i knew what they had done was counterproductive to their own interests. >> your lawyer seems to indicate you're planning something. can you say what? >> sure. the lawyers in the uk on behalf of david have filed a lawsuit and what they're seeking right now is a declaration from the british court that what the british authorities did is illegal, because the only thing they're allowed to detain and question people over is investigations relating to terrorism, and they had nothing to do with terrorism. they went well beyond the scope of law. secondly, to order them to return all the items they stole from david and to order that they are barred from using them in any way or sharing them with anybody else. >> and finally, glenn, just on another topic, since edward snowden has been granted asylum in russia, can you tell us how his life is there? >> he's doing great. what he spends most of his time
doing, honestly, anderson, is following the incredibly productive debate that has been triggered all around the world over the dangers of surveillance and the value of internet privacy and freedom that he hoped to trigger. i don't know if he necessarily loves russia, but he certainly prefers it to a -- the next three decades in a super max prison in the united states. so he's happy to be there given his options. >> thank you guys for talking. appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. >> thank you. let's dig deeper now with senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and jessalyn radek, a former whistleblower in connection with the investigation of the so-called american taliban john walker lynn who now represents people doing what she once did. jeff, do you believe the british government was justified in detaining him for nine hours? >> i sure do. let's be clear about what mr. miranda's role was here.
i don't want to be unkind, but he was a mule. he was given something, he didn't know what it was, from one person to pass to another at the other end of an airport. our prisons are full of drug mules. glenn's view is, as long as one of the two people on either end of that transaction was a journalist, he can take anything he wants. he could take the nuclear launch codes. he could take the names of our undercover agents. >> this was paid for by "the guardian." wasn't he acting in a journalistic capacity? >> no. he's on a plane with stuff highly classified. anything he wants, it turns out it wasn't the names of our undercover agents. it was the extremely classified presumedly nsa material. that is not the law. >> he's being detained under a british uk terrorism act, only supposed to be used to detect and find people who are connected to terrorists. there's no indication that david miranda, they knew who he was. they knew he's not connected to
some terrorist group. >> great britain has its own laws that are similar to ours but are somewhat different. their terrorism law takes it one step farther. they say it's not just the material -- this person is a terrorist, but can be used by terrorists. frankly, if terrorists know how we surveil their cell phone calls, how we surveil their texts, that could be used. >> couldn't any information published by journalists be used by terrorists? >> not at all. not classified information. it would have to be classified information of this kind. >> jessalyn, what do you think? >> i think that argument is completely vacuous. first of all, as mr. toobin says, he is presuming, he in fact has no idea what was on those thumb drives and other documents and electronics that were seized. nobody does. but no matter what was on there, it obviously had to do with
journalism. laura pore appointment portras is a journalist and docume documentarian. glenn greenwald is a journalist, and david was serving as an in between, not as a drug mule. i have to wonder why the u.s. government and our allies are so desperate to keep our law breaking secret that they're willing to use a terrorism law to stop a journalist. >> but just to be devil's advocate here, if the british thought there were stolen documents being transported, why don't they have the right to stop this person and check? >> the british government, if they thought they had stolen documents could go through the criminal process rather than using an anti-terrorism law which has nothing to do with stolen documents.
there's been no evidence of that whatsoever put forth even by the british government itself that they thought these were stolen documents. >> mr. miranda was lucky they used the terrorism law, because he wasn't even delayed -- he wasn't even stopped overnight. i mean, i'm sure it was inconvenient to be stopped for nine hours at the airport but, you know, when it happens to you on jetblue, they don't even offer you a lawyer. so he wasn't sent to the gulag. he was delayed for a while and he took what appears to be stolen classified information. i think he did pretty well considering what he was carrying. >> i have to interject. i hope the next time mr. toobin is stopped for nine hours and detained with no due process on an anti-terrorism law that he is equally as generous with his assessment. but clearly, being detained on a terrorist law, an anti-terrorism law, having spent time on a no-fly list myself is pure government retaliation against a whistleblower and the criminalization of journalism and whistle blowing that has
been going on and frankly the united states has been behafbing in a completely unhinged, desperate and rather foolish way. >> under british law, though, there is no right to stay silent in this case. there is no -- under this uk law, there is no right to have an attorney present. they actually offered him one of their attorneys. he declined. but under this law, the person being questioned has no right to have counsel there. >> i'm not arguing that. i'm arguing that under this law, to be held under schedule 7 of this particular law, you have to have a reasonable nexus to terrorism. and here there has been absolutely none asserted unless someone is trying to make the government -- the argument that journalism is the new terrorism. >> what about that, jeff? that is glenn greenwald's argument, that basically, it's
linking journalism -- conducting journalism to acts of terror. >> the word "journalism" is not magical immunity sauce that you can put on anything and eliminate any sort of liability. if he had the nuclear launch codes in there, they can take that. if he had the names of undercover operatives, they can take that. our government and the british government regards the method of surveillance as just as serious a security breach. now, you know, that's the law. and i'm sorry glenn thinks that's a bad thing but, you know, that's the law. if you go through an airport carrying that stuff, you take your chances. >> jeff, what do you think of the fact that british authorities showed is up at the offices of "the guardian" demanding they destroy two hard drives that had information relating to snowden, classified information? >> grotesque and appalling. >> so you draw the -- you think
that's too far? >> huge difference. huge difference. when we show up at the border somewhere, we know we're going to have our stuff searched. we know there are certain rules. >> but he didn't go through customs. david miranda, he was in transit. >> well, you take your chances. inside a country that believes in free press, that they would destroy a computer. imagine here at cnn authorities walking in and demanding that we destroy our computers. i think it was horrific and terrible and it's important to draw distinctions between different kinds of government activity. >> do you agree with that? >> that's a distinction without a difference. by detaining him in a transit zone on a terrorism law, when there was no suspicion whatsoever, even asserted by the united kingdom, was purely a
pretext tour detention under the label of terrorism. the way i understood the incident is that the uk wanted copies of the information and instead "the guardian" wiselily said we will destroy it beforehanding it over to you which is the principled thing to do. when it suits mr. toobin's interest, he's glad to claim first amendment interests, but at the same time he's willing to dispense with those completely when dealing with a terrorism statute, detaining a completely innocent person involved in the conduct of journalists. >> it's called drawing distinctions. different situations have different results. and i don't apologize for that in the least. you're running around the world with extremely classified information and you don't even know what it is. you're being used as a mule. you take your chances and i think mr. miranda got extremely lucky in only being delayed nine hours in london. >> all right. we got to leave there. good discussion.
let's talk about it more on twitter during the break. go cnn.com. just ahead, children being led single file out of a georgia school today after a gunman opened fire. he was armed with an ak-47. he's in custody tonight. also, the cold-blooded killing of an australian student in oklahoma. three teenagers are in custody and what they told police about why they did it. it is unthinkable. be right back.
terrifying day at an elementary school outside of atlanta. a gunman opened fire, barricaded himself inside the school before eventually surrendering to police. police say a gunman was armed with an ak-47 and had other we pops, as well. he's in custody. thankfully no one was hurt but a terrifying ordeal. obviously for everyone inside that school. on abc news "world news" with diane sawyer, the school clerk described how she convinced the gunman to put down his weapon. >> i was there with him the whole time. i had a teacher came in, and i just talked to him and told him that it was okay, we all have situations in our lives and i went through a tragedy myself. but i recovered for it. so it was going to be okay. if i could recover from it and open up a business, he could too. >> after the gunman surrendered, these pictures aired live. children being led out of the school. police were worried that a vehicle outside might contain explosives.
it was quite a job getting all those kids out. >> we had to move the kids from the rear of the school and find an escape route, which we had to cut a hole in a fence, take the kids through the back of a house, down a small embankment to an adjoining street, get the kids on the school bus. >> david mattingly joins me now. david, what you have learned about this gunman and why he may have done this? >> reporter: well, he's been identified just in the last hour, anderson. police say he's michael brandon hill. police say he's 20 years of age. he's now being charged with aggravated assault on a police officer, terroristic threats and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. they continue to interview him. as far as a motive goes, police aren't yet saying why he decided to do this but we do know from talking to a local television station, when this man went into the office and took a couple of office workers hostage, he had
them call a television station and relay a message to him. that he was not afraid to die and that he wanted the television station to come out and take pictures while he was killing police officers. now, fortunately that didn't happen. this man, michael brandon hill, did fire half dozen shots at officers, they did return fire but then he gave himself up. and you just heard the woman in the office describing how she convinced him to do that. so no bloodshed here. he never made any of the shots fired at any of the staff and luckily at none of the children. but still very scary times at this school, as this gunfire was being exchanged. >> so he had an ak-47. there were reports of potential explosives in his car. did they find anything else? >> reporter: they did not find explosives in the car, but it took them a couple of hours to very carefully go through that car and find out what was in there. as they were going through it,
they really haven't told us what they did find in the car. but because the car was parked in front of the police station -- or in front of the school, police couldn't take the kids out that way. and that's why they had that elaborate means of escape for the kids that the chief was describing that they had to go out the back and a way out, that they could get out safely just in case there were explosives in that car. >> i understand in order to get into the school, visitors had to be buzzed in. do we know how the gunman got into the building? >> reporter: this is one of the most disturbing things. the security system is there that someone has to be buzzed in and show i.d. well, when someone did that, the gunman just went up and grabbed the door before it closed behind someone who had been buzzed in. he defeated their security system just that easily. so you can bet they're going to be looking at beefing up security here. parents here as they were collecting their kids had a lot
to say about that. some of them afraid now to send their kids back to school. >> david mattingly, i appreciate that. elsewhere, this story much more darker. in oklahoma, three teenagers charged today in the shooting death of australian college student christopher lane who was gunned down last week while jogging. the suspects are 15, 16 and 17 years old. what makes this story so disturbing besides the murder, police say the teens targeted lane randomly because they had nothing to better to do. the story tonight from alina machado. >> you just can't imagine it happening in this neighborhood. >> reporter: shock and disbelief in the small oklahoma town where chris lane, an australian student at east university, was gunned down. in what police say was a random attack. 15-year-old james edwards jr. and 16-year-old changes luna are charged with first degree murder. casey jones is facing two
charges including after the fact accessory in the first degree. authorities say the teens were on a mission to kill, supposedly just for the thrill of it. >> they witnessed the young man run by on the street, chose him as the target. >> reporter: chief danny ford says lane was out jogging friday afternoon when the teens drove up and shot him in the back. >> there was some people that saw him stagger across the road, go to a kneeling position and collapse on the side of the road. >> reporter: a woman told police she ran to lane and tried to help by performing cpr. another witness dialed 911. lane was taken to a local hospital where he died. police say one of the teens told investigators details of the killing and where they could find the murder weapon. thousands of miles away in australia, lane's father shared the family's heartbreak. >> he's left his mark, as we know, and there's not going to be any good come out of this, because it was just so senseless. it's happened, it's wrong, and
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in "crime and punishment" tonight, a convicted baby killer will soon walk free in texas, even though she's serving a 99 year sentence, and is suspected of murdering dozens of other children. genene jones is a former pediatric nurse who parents trusted to care for her children. instead, she allegedly targeted them. now she has a legal way out of prison and law enforcement has only way of keeping her inside, by finding another victim whose life was cut short like chelsea mcclellan's. here's randi kaye. >> reporter: back in 1982,
chelsea mcclellan, just 15 months old, needed immunizations. it was routine stuff. chelsea's mother petty took her to the local clinic in texas. but what happened next was anything but routine. that's because genene jones was the nurse on duty at the clinic. chelsea's home remembers what happened next when all hell broke loose. >> she gave her her first shot in her left thigh, and she immediately started gasping for air. turned around and gave her another one, and she immediately just went limp and quit breathing. >> reporter: in the chaos of rushing chelsea from the clinic to the hospital, geneene jones somehow slipped into the ambulance and gave the little girl a third shot. she would later learn that she
was injected with muscle relaxation and short-term paralysis. it stopped her heart. two years later, in 1984, jones was convicted of infanticide and was sentenced to 99 years in prison for killing chelsea. plus 60 years for injuring another child who had survived. to this day, she still says she did nothing wrong. >> miss jones, do you have any reaction at all? >> nothing to say. >> reporter: for chelsea's parents, the verdict was bittersweet. their daughter was gone, but her killer would spend the rest of her life behind bars. at least that's what they thought. it turns out genene jones is scheduled to walk free. jones will be automatically released because of an old texas law designed to prevent prison overcrowding. the mandatory release law allows inmates convicted of violent crimes between 1977 and 1987 to be automatically released if their good behavior credit plus
time served equals their sentence. the law was changed in 1987 to exclude violent criminals, but it isn't retro active. it's now a game of beat the clock. chelsea's mother and andy kahn a victim's advocate for the city of houston are desperately trying to find other mothers whose babies that may have also been killed by genene jones. otherwise, she may be the first serial killer to walk free. >> in reality, she'll have served less than one year for every infant she is credited with murdering. it's unheard of. it's never happened in the history of our country. >> reporter: sadly, there's reason to believe other victims exist. when jones worked at bear hospital in san antonio between 1978 and 1982, her shift became known as the death shift, because so many babies were mysteriously dying. sherry pendergraph worked alongside her. >> the death rate was higher than it had been in previous
months and previous years as i went back. so we started to question why is that happening? i also noticed that it tended to concentrate more on the 3:00 to 11:00 shift, which was the shift that genene was working mostly. >> reporter: genene jones was suspected of killing as many as 46 babies. but was only charged in the death of chelsea mcclellan. kahan's job is only complicated by the fact that many of the victims' records were either destroyed or disappeared. but so far, two mothers have reached out to him. marina rodriguez lost her son in 1981 after she says geneene jones gave him a shot at a san antonio clinic. at 5 months old, he had a heart attack and died. >> all of a sudden he turned blue and i started hearing "code blue." and then, of course, they pulled me to the side because i'm a
young mommy and i'm freaking out. >> reporter: back then, marina was just 15. too young to afford a lawyer. her parents were migrant farmers. she couldn't even read. how would you feel if she got out? >> she's not going to get out. she's not going to get out. if my son has to be exhumed to prove that she murdered him, that's the step we'll take. they're not dealing with a little girl anymore. this is a woman now. >> reporter: marina rodriguez and the other families are the only hope. >> 30 years in prison is not justice. it's not justice for chelsea. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, houston. >> under that expired texas law, genene jones will walk free in 2018. a lot of people are outraged over this. no one more than petti mcclellan who we just saw in the report. her 15-month-old daughter chelsea was killed by jones. miss mcclellan thank you so much for being with us. our condolences to you on the loss of your daughter, chelsea. i can't imagine what this has
been like, when you heard she could go free, what did you think? >> well, the first time i heard it, i didn't even acknowledge it because i thought it was absolutely impossible. and i really didn't realize it was going to happen, unless another case was found, until about six months ago. i was horrified. >> you're convinced that jones could do this again? >> absolutely, absolutely. anybody that knew her and has dealt with her across the board, that's in agreement with everybody. >> this nurse who killed your daughter, i can't imagine -- i can't begin to imagine why someone would do something like that. did she seem like there was something off about her when you saw her? >> well, when she was taking care of the kids, she has this very kind, loving, you know, like these children were her life and meant everything to her. but then in a crisis, it was like she would get this wild
look and she had a reputation for being very aggressive and very -- she was very narcissistic and she knew more than anybody, and loved the media and loved the attention. so everything really changed. i kept telling my family that, you know, she did something to her. >> and you actually saw this woman at your daughter's grave one day. >> yes. right after chelsea died, i spent a lot of time, i would go every day, and i went there to put some fresh flowers on, and she was there, and she was just rocking back and forth, waling. that's the only toward use was wailing. i asked her what she was doing and she just looked at me and she had this glassy eyed look and she just walked right past me and didn't even respond to it. she never responded to it.
>> god. there's obviously this concerted effort to prove she killed other children. she's suspected in the death of 40 other kids. prosecutors think she could have killed up to 46 kids. if there's anyone out there with information that would keep your daughter's killer behind bars, what do you want to say to them? >> i want them to not be afraid to come forward, because this isn't just about chelsea anymore. this is about all the families and all the children in san antonio that died that shouldn't have, and they need their justice, too. and they need their stories told because the only difference between their situation and chelsea's is where the san antonio hospital chose to cover it up and not do anything about it and send her about her way with a good reference. the hospital decided something's
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smoke from dozens of wildfires hangs over the western third of the country tonight. take a look at the latest map. each individual flame indicates an active fire. the large pink area indicates conditions are hot and dry enough for new fires to ignite at anytime. the beaver creek wildfire in idaho has been especially destructive. take a look at that. 106,000 acres scorched so far. 1800 firefighters are on the front lines. there's finally some good news to report. while the fire is only 9% contained and it's touch and go, crews say they have turned the corner. gary tuchman is some hailey, idaho, tonight. >> reporter: it's the not knowing that's the hardest part. not knowing if your house is still standing or up in flames. it's what pamela sue martin wants to know as she watches helicopters drop water right where her house is located. >> i'm very grateful that
they're there. >> watching these fires on the mountains for the last three days burn it down. >> reporter: pamela is an who live in the sun valley, idaho area. but she lives here year around. it is not a second home. >> this has been very hard. really all the emotions are coming now watching them put it out. >> reporter: pamela took these dramatic pictures where her house is during the peak of the fire. her house states in one of the hottest spots of the blaze. she watches the choppers and wonders. how long have you lived here? >> 28 years. right there. right where they're dropping the water. >> reporter: pamela lives next to the wood river. and the wood river is one of the places where the helicopters are dropping buckets to refill. there are 15 helicopters coming
in and out of this area. the evacuation order is still in effect. but we went with pamela to see if her house escaped the flames. it looks like your house is okay. >> it's standing. i'm really grateful for that. >> reporter: the flames aren't far away. but firefighters and choppers are close by. >> reminds me of all the vietnam movies, vietnam. and it is like a war for them fighting the fire. and i feel for them. >> reporter: the danger is not ever yet. but pamela feels much better now than when we met her a short time ago. you believe your house is safe? >> i know my house is safe, yeah. >> gary tuchman joins us from beautiful idaho. so when will pamela and the others be allowed to move back into their homes, do you know? >> reporter: authorities are saying they hope nearly everybody can go back to their homes tomorrow and thursday. the winds have just picked up, anderson, in the last 30 minutes. that's normally not good news.
but authorities believe they're moving in a positive direction. they hope by tonight they have 20% containment. they hope by the end of the week, 50% containment. but they do believe whatever the numbers are, most people will be back in their homes no later than two days from now. >> i wish them the best. gary, thanks. susan hendricks has a "360" bulletin. the prosecution rested its case today against major nadal hasan. the army psychiatrist charged with murdering 13 people atfordhood, texas, in 2009. hasan is representing himself at his court-martial. newly released court documents show boston marathon bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev suffered multiple severe gunshot injuries before his capture in april. this includes a gunshot that appears to have entered his mouth and exited through the left side of his face. now, the documents don't indicate if it was a self-inflicted wound or if it happened during his showdown with police when she was cornered inside of a boat.
and this good samaritan earns the dr. oz deal of approval. plumber david justino rushed into action after a cab jumped the curb in midtown manhattan hitting a british tourist and severing her leg. he used his belt as a tourniquet. and a food vendor put the woman's amputated limb on ice for doctors to reattach it. dr. oz and staff were at their offices nearby. they heard the crash and came running. pretty amazing there. we'll be right back. stay with us.