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it was very unclear that she felt that she had done all that she could possibly do for the country, for the sake of conservatism, and i felt in that final meeting that i would never see her coming and unfortunately, she passed away in april. and i attended the absolutely magnificent funeral in st. paul's cathedral. tens of thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people lining the streets of london sharing her across the street. and following in st. paul which is a beautifully moving ceremony as the casket was carried out by the members of the armed forces
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there was a huge cheer from outside and it echoed and it echoed through the cabinet of the st. paul cathedral. and as a demonstration of a huge affection that most people fall for for margaret thatcher and those that opposed the policies i think at least they respected the achievements of the lady and was somebody that frankly saved britain from what many people felt at that time was the terminal decline. she rescued this great nation and put it back into britain. and i would like to talk briefly about her achievements as the prime minister.
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really as the greatest prime minister was of course the first to minister of great britain, the longest continually serving prime minister of the 20th century she won the general elections, she never lost a general election. she implemented the resolution and britain which is all about a small government and all about the taxes. it was about freely returning the power back to people, back to businesses and away from the government. britain and the 1970's was a basket case known as the sixth man of europe. it was such an appalling state that at one stage you have to go for the loan from the imf. you can imagine the humiliation
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for this great country, the nation that once helped to persuade the world's surface and was brought literally to his means by the socialist big government policies. as margaret thatcher vowed to leverage those policies, she would not accept the idea of the british decline. she said i don't believe in the decline. i won't accept it. the decline is simply not written as about. but she worked hard as prime minister not just of the middle class traditional voters for the conservative party but also the working class as well. she privatize a large number of the state and industries. she enabled millions to buy shares in the formerly state-owned interest. the government sought of millions of the houses, government-owned public housing
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and labeling the whole generation to be doubled to buy their own homes, and this -- many of the conservative party voters. she was also of course a towering figure on the world stage and today with ronald reagan she confronted the soviet empire. and through the strength of the partnership between reagan and thatcher, it collapsed. she also led britain to victory in the war in 1982. i will be talking more about that later in my talk. but it was instrumental in the historic of the british pride and established it as a great warrior nation. and she had faith in the ability of the armed forces. but the victory in the falcons of course was based upon margaret thatcher rebuilding of the armed forces and increasing defense spending on the cuts of the 1970's, and as a demonstrator if you want to go
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to war you have to be prepared to fight by investing years ahead in the military capability what were the qualities that made margaret thatcher a great figure? and these are the qualities that i think made her a truly great leader and which we discussed at length in my book with steven thompson. of all, margaret thatcher was a politician. you always knew where she stood on these issues. there was no middle ground. she wasn't interested in how the consensus building that she thought was synonymous. she wasn't interested in the
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focus groups. she actually didn't pay that much attention to the opinion polls. she didn't like this sort of identity of the politics. she believed in treating people as individuals regardless of your social background and a race and color. she didn't believe and identifying people by where they came from, she believed in treating everyone has individual. and i think that was the key part of her success. in 1989 in the speech to the conservative conference, she declared we in the conservative party are politicians. we know what we believe. we hold fast on to our belief and when we are elected, we put them into practice. those are the words of the hugely successful politician by
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any politician today. she also said we never put power through the principles. political principles were always of the paramount importance. she didn't believe uncompromising on those principles. she also believed in the values that she called a victorian virtues. she was a firm opponent on the welfare state and believe in self-reliance interest. she believed not and handouts, but handoffs. and she relished in her promotion even though the victorian era was seen as unfashionable as many today. margaret thatcher understood the grassroots and like ronald reagan, she was in on the metropolitan elite. many in her own party looked down at her when she was originally running for office. she was also viewed as a
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radical, somebody that rocked the boat, a real outsider. the reason she got along so well is the fact that both of them were outsiders from outside of the political establishment of their own parties. and she came from a humble background, the town her family worked in that shop for many years and this gave her a very good understanding of how to run a small business. and throughout her political life, she campaigned on the bread-and-butter issues that the ordinary voters really cared about, not artificially manufactured of any issues. she campaigned on the economy, taxes, law and order, immigration, matters that affect the daily lives of ordinary people. she remarked those that seek to govern must be willing to allow the heart and mind to leave open to the people. and as i mentioned earlier, she appealed in the middle working
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class and she was a truly aspirational politician. she believed in giving those who were in a less fortunate situation in society an opportunity to move up the social ladder. she was also extremely courageous as a politician. she demonstrated both personal and political courage. she was fearless. she once said courage is what you show in the heart of the battle, not at the post mortem. she also remarked the ultimate virtue is courage. the only thing that you have got left sometimes is courage and fellowship. the irish republican army once tried to blow her up in the bombing. the bomb went off i think about 2:54 in the morning. she just finished working for the day for the speech to be delivered to the conservative party conference.
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34 people were injured. the bomb missed her and the police advised her to go back to london. she said no i'm staying and i'm going to deliver my speech. she went ahead that same morning to deliver her speech and she said we will hunt you down and defeat you and never give in to terrorism. she had extraordinary courage, and you know, she was an absolutely fearless politician. she also stuck to of course the trade unions who have dominated the british economy in the 1970's. and she also took on the might of the soviet empire. and in the suspect, she was greatly inspired by the achievement and leadership of winston churchill who was always her idol growing up as the sort of young girl. she would listen to churchill's
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speeches coming over the radio. she was inspired by everything that winston churchill stood for she was determined to follow the footsteps of winston churchill. and courage, margaret thatcher's courage was hand-in-hand with her decisiveness as we saw with the falcons were war. it's quite extraordinary that they launched a task force of the 100 ships and three submarines, 27,000 military personnel in the space of just two days after they had evaded. she made it very clear from her own defense chiefs that she would not accept the character being taken. it was 8,000 miles across.
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in 74 days they had defeated the islands but 300 miles off the coast. this was an extremely dangerous and difficult. how had i feel your it would have broken down the government. it would have been enough humiliation, but she went to head and defined the critics and said i am not going to give in to those that are weak and can't fight. i'm going to fight this war and i'm going to win, and she did exactly that. she was also all about loyalty. she was very loyal to her friends to do the work with her. the partnership was all about loyalty standing shoulder to shoulder, will stage. when she first met ronald reagan
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and demand 1970's, ronald reagan originally expected the meeting to be just a few minutes. they spoke about two hours and he was usually impressed with margaret thatcher and was usually impressed with ronald reagan but as the relationship was built upon trust and 100% loyalty to exemplify the special relationship that is why you really worked so successfully. margaret thatcher was a tremendously hard worker and all of her achievements were underscored by a tremendous work ethic which gained. she was asleep just five hours a
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night. she used to reach through the policy papers and tremendous detail among the personal staff and was meticulously prepared and i saw that one as myself, she would prepare the speech in order to ensure that the yet fantastic speeches that would stand the test of time. and so she demonstrated that to be a truly successful leader, you have to be. you have to work very, very hard. and that is not the case for a lot of politicians today actually. her speeches leading were i think the greatest ever given by the british politician. she was wonderful and like ronald reagan, she was able to translate extremely complex issues into symbol messages,
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which could be understood why vast numbers of ordinary voters. margaret thatcher, like ronald reagan sent a very clear-cut and often simple message they could understand. she was one for st. talking and believe in always getting her message across succinctly, and i would refer you to her greatest speeches and cling to a 1976 speech in the town hall where she spoke to the rise of the soviet empire to be defeated as a prime example of the quality of her speech giving. margaret thatcher was always driven by the sense of patriotism, the sense of walking with destiny and serving a higher purpose, much like churchill in this respect. it was always the very heart of
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her message. free-speech projected tremendous love for the country. every speech was genuine and based upon a heartfelt love for her country. you wouldn't find her, for example, apologizing for the country. she only had the utmost sense of pride in her country, and she was determined to save her great nation from decline. i would like to quote a speech she gave to the church in scotland, where she said there's little hope for democracy at the heart of men and women in space societies cannot be touched by something greater than themselves and she felt she was put on earth for the reason, for remission and that was to save britain and the feet, and as
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some and call freedom and liberty across the world and she accomplished that. i would like to conclude just by addressing the question what can american conservatives learn from margaret thatcher and what must they learn from this lady? i think most importantly, she rejected the idea that you have to water down your political message and conservative principles. she won three general elections in a tremendously hostile environment with the media that was relentlessly hostile towards her. and she won not by accommodation or compromise, but by sticking to the core conservative principles. moving to the center ground doesn't necessarily bring you success. i think as david cameron found in great britain at the last general election he didn't win the outright majority, and i didn't think he won because he was trying to move us into
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ground. margaret thatcher always argue that if the voters want to vote for the left wing or liberal parties they're going to vote for the real thing and not the conservative party that is stressed as a centrist or even left of center organization. that is a very import a message to here on both sides of the. she described the notion as the absence of principal and of expediency. there is no such thing as the synthesis if you have a passion for politics if you have a passion for liberty you cannot accept the idea of always cutting deals with your political opponents. and i think this is also important. she never ignored the grassroots of the conservative movement. she always made conservative voters feel that the long end to
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the conservative party and that again is an important message for the conservative britton and here in the united states again. she always elevated the grassroots to the primary importance. she also offered a relentlessly optimistic vision in the future. she was an optimist and she gave the message that was one of aspiration and one of tremendous hope and optimism in britain's future, and i think both have really liked that. she wasn't a negative campaigner she never and word kurdish voters to seek revenge at the ballot box. that wasn't her start. she wasn't in the class warfare. she believed in uniting the class together regardless of income. i would like to close actually for the following words from margaret thatcher to the political conference of 1988.
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we believe that individuals have a right to liberty that no state can take away, that the government is a servant of the people, that the role of the front is the strengthening of the freedom and the economic role of government is to establish a climate in which the enterprise can flourish. i would like to concede on that note. thank you. [applause] i would now like to actually welcome onto the stage some brief remarks by my friend and colleague steven thompson and michael author. stevan is a congressional politics of washington after many decades. his work on the republican national committee for the joint economic committee and even for the department of labor as well, i might add. stevan was educated in the london school of the comics,
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university of california and holds a ph.d. from cambridge university, an oxford graduate. i will hold that against him, but i would like to welcome him onto the stage. [applause] >> thank you for the introduction. it's a hard act to follow. margaret thatcher was the biggest influence on my life. i lived in britain from 1981 to 1989. and again, from 92 to 93. she had been promised for two years when i arrived in august of 81. the leader of conservative party since 1975, and as shown in the video now described in 1970's they were dreadful in britain. the country was close to bankruptcy, bureaucrats and the
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international monetary fund essentially ran the country. the entire decade was plagued with what is now called the british disease, which is three decades of socialism who believe they can control the means of production and economic policy was guided by the fury that john maynard keynes you could spend, tax and run deficits and debt and there would be no effect for the economy. but reality set in by the way in the 70's and in the early 80's. a confidential british cabinet document, which was circulated in the summer that i arrived, and this was read by margaret thatcher and others who wrote over the past ten years the prices or risen by to hundred 75%. and money income by 335%. but the real output, only by
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16%. the british had to borrow, tax and inflate, that is begging borrow and steal, to get by. when margaret thatcher move on to ten downing street in may of 1979, she inherited a disaster. i have a secret to reveal. when i first went to britain i was still a keynesian. one of the first places i visited in london was actually the old house now part of the university of london. i first learned economics from the famous textbook and i don't even know if they still use that today. it is the gateway to which many of my generation became king marcion's. we were taught that the government could manage the economy and promote economic growth.
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however, and i arrived in britain, i soon realized that many of the famous teachings were disasters when applied to the real world. for example to control the inflation in 1970, the others advocated an income policy and wage and price controls. in other words the government would tell you what you could make and when you could charge. there was no fault that they were controlling the money supply, though the idea was to control economic freedom. so when the government tried to impose the wage restraint on the prices, the unions and the socialists would simply take to the streets and shut down the government economy, engaged in wholesale strikes mahmoud by the insurrection to stop the government from controlling the incomes. you didn't find this out cuts in the textbook that you did on the british streets. the victory of 1979 signaled that many british people were simply fed up with socialism and
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wanted a better way of life. always appealed to the british patriotism britain was a great country, she reminded voters. and the british didn't have to live like this with union leaders and socialists denying them the basic necessities of life through strikes of other nations. and more important she also believed socialism wasn't a part of the british character. and that millions of people would reject at the ballot box if they could be shown an alternative. this she did. by 1990, thatcher succeeded with other religious leaders they clearly failed. i talked about tax rates and public spending was brought in to control and the national debt was lowered to a level not seen since before 1914. margaret thatcher reduced the state-owned sector of the economy by 60%. this is hard to believe today in america, which is many in the
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opposite direction the country is in turmoil of the closing of something like 17% of the government. taming the inflation was also a major priority for thatcher. britain in the 1970's was close to hyperinflation. the only country in the developed world, 25% inflation rates. she always believed that inflation was an attack not only on the economic values but the moral values because it was to save and invest. so they brought down the inflation rate from over 20% in the summer of 1946. the and then infiltrated by the socialists and communists at the time. but she confronted them and brought them under the oh-la-la.
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after the coal miners' strike in '84 and '85, which she successfully ended after the protected struggle and the number of strikes dropped dramatically it should be remembered that they actually said in 76 no government in britain can help to succeed the day without the good will of the unions. this view is not shared by margaret thatcher who said in the interview of 1979 by god, i will confront them and she did. the hard left leader of the year net never knew what hit him and he never recovered. it resulted in the accomplishment the british economy began to flourish in the 1980's in a way that no one could have predicted in the 1970's. i was enthusiastic about the success of margaret thatcher.
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after all, my life is improving with the british while i lived there. but it wasn't just a booming economy that led me to become a thaterite. like a lot of politicians margaret thatcher was principle to have core convictions that never wavered. i liked this immediately. for those of us that have worked in politics, this may come as a shock that many politicians will say one thing and then do another. for example if you like your insurance, you can keep it. [laughter] >> knott margaret thatcher. you could bank on what she said. she risked the feet and believed she was acting in the best interest of britain. the sign of the trippi triet. more importantly, she deliver on her promises and british voters rewarded her by free elections in a row. second, when i arrived in britain it became apparent to me that there was no alternative to
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margaret thatcher. she demonstrated to me the classic economic principles of the 19th century by the textbooks they worked in socialism and keynesian and some didn't. i also realized many british politicians of the time were looking for others to do the work for them to reverse decades of socialism. this began with the bailout and extended to for some the membership in the european community. it was about a british politics during the heavy lifting themselves. even worse opponents often advocated doing nothing or even more socialism. at some surrounding sovereignty to europe. as an american i found this repugnant. faired, i learned from thatcher that the enemy of the economic prosperity and freedom of the 1970's and 1980's was socialism, and it still is by the way. whether it was in the soviet
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canyon or britain. she said in 2000 was no, incidents in the 1970's that was a reflection of the world and at the same time socialism was at its height in britain. she said the same socialist politicians who were accused of leaving blueprints on britain also decrease in the advance of the soviet power abroad. and she wrote what occurred in britain in this period was not there for just a clash between the two parties, but it was a struggle between the two systems offering to entirely different destinies. for america in the 1970's it was caught by among others marxist's at santa barbara. the clarity provided was liberating. 20,000 cheered peron in november of 1988. the understood what it stood
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for. she wrote in 1992i set out to destroy socialism because i felt it was at odds with the character of the people. we were the first country in the world to roll back the frontier of the socialism. and they rolled forward the frontier of the freedom. last, she believed britain and america were important to the world because of their values. they were reunited by the government, rule of law and history that they could be proud of. as she said the british people don't like being pushed around and president obama is finding with the affordable care act neither do the americans. we cherish freedom. i also found that the left and many conservatives opposed her for fundamentally anti-american. they believed britain could go it alone or be part of a greater europe. and many quite frankly despised
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american values. margaret thatcher didn't. she rejected these attitudes and believe in america and the special relationship which may mean you grow up with the vietnam war and watergate, stronger patriot and a believer in the british american great mass. the last time i spoke to flee the thatcher -- lady thatcher was in the office building. she had dedicated a painting of her and of ronald reagan, and so i talked to her afterwards briefly and i said i met her a few years earlier in parliament. and i have lived in britain for almost 12 years as a student there. she turned to me and said in that way you lived in britain - the prime minister and never came to visit me? [laughter]
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for the younger conservatives in the audience today, your role will be like margaret thatcher. you will have to clean up the mess today. the united states isn't headed in a good direction and will fall upon your shoulders to clean up this mess. but you can take heart somebody did it before and it can be done. i would advise you to read about her, study the papers, go to the foundation web site, read the speeches, and the dhaka, go visit margaret thatcher. thank you. [applause] >> we have a few minutes for some questions. i will take the liberty of asking the first one. we know that there is discontent in the u.s. right now regarding the undemocratic nature of the european union and we know david cameron has pledged a referendum in 2017 on the european union and with the u.k. besides is
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important to the united states because of the close relationship. we know the administration has been focusing on encouraging them to stay in the e.u. so how should american conservatives' view of this issue? >> that's an excellent question and a very important question in britain today and it should be an important issue in washington as well. margaret thatcher believes that britain's future should rely on the european union and in her final years that britain should enjoy the fruits of freedom and that you can't be free when you are shackled to the european union. and i think it is very unfortunate that in recent months you've seen a number of interventions by the senior u.s. officials including by the white house itself. and numerous interventions by the ambassador of london and the previous u.s. ambassador to
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london. basically are giving more basically saying that it's in america's interest and britain to remain in the european union. now, this is a trolley provoked credit of backlog in the british press. there is a lot of outrage in the u.k. and what is perceived to be blatant interference actually by the u.s. government in the referendum issue in the united kingdom come a very sensitive issue in britain. and it's really i think it backfired significantly on the obama administration. it's also the wrong message to be sending. i am of the view that it is in america's interest for britain to be outside of the european union. a free briton that is able to stand shoulder to shoulder with the united states that is not shackled to brussels is in the
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u.s. national interest. and i do think that the entire message is being sent by washington at the moment to britain is completely the wrong message and is also of course seen by many british people and has interference in an internal political debate. so on both scores i finca administration is rather short itself and foot. >> if you could raise your hand and identify yourself. some kind of the heritage foundation. i wanted to ask mr. thompson now you've got this political problem within the republican party, you've got the tea party that some on last weekend said really didn't want to modify the gop. it wants to destroy it and maybe replace its. how do the conservatives here in the economic and defense national conservatives
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responding without either blowing the coalition apart or the sort of problem that mr. cameron has now in the coalition government with a lot of trouble functioning? >> we have what's going on now has conservative renewal. the yen per generation is coming into the republican party. so we are going to have these debates. people are perhaps going to say something they will regret and a leader years. but they have the same in britain. margaret thatcher challenged the government from 74 whose conservative government was a disaster characterized by a huge year terms. she said it was the most socialist government in british history. so it was a harsh debate and tough. but she won because she stayed
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with the certain principles and of the renewable happened because conservatives right now cannot avoid this. it's their destiny. they are going to inherit this mess. they run out of people's money. they run out of other people's money. so we should welcome this debate and not worry about too much of the harsh rhetoric. >> the problem is they were both arguing about the same thing in economics. here they are interested in one set of issues and you've got people on the other side who can only seem to think about abortion and birth control where there is no connection between the two sets of issues in different worlds almost. >> is it any different than president ronald reagan? we were able to resolve them and so i think we will be able to in
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the future. >> the gentleman in the back of the glasses. >> my question is what would she think of you? >> the question is what what margaret thatcher think of the independence party in the u.k. which is currently holding around 15 percent, as high as 20% in some of the polls and others counted 10% but broadly ten to 20%. it's also expected to do very well in the european elections as high as 30% of the vote may go to the u.k. independence party. for britain to leave the european union but also it has very strong immigration issues and it wants a significant
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heightening of restrictions including for the immigrants coming from parts of eastern europe including romania and bulgaria. to answer your question, i think the independence party in power today it would probably be irrelevant because margaret thatcher today would-be saying to the british people get out of the e.u., free yourselves from a huge burden on the british people that cost a great deal of money and let them tell the british people what to do. i think the u.k. independent party which is heavily made up of not entirely, but in large part the former conservative
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party's that left because they feel the party had deserted them. i think that if thatcher were in power, there wouldn't be a u.k. independence party. she never spoke publicly about the private conversations i had with her she also didn't talk about the u.k. independent party, but you know, she would have created those that but for the u.k. independence party with respect. she wouldn't be sneering at them as some leading figures in the conservative party have done including the prime minister. and, you know, her view was you want to appeal to the voters and get them to vote for you you are not get them to vote for you by condemning them and attacking them, which is i think part of the reason why the conservative party could struggle in 2015
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because so many conservative party members are looking for the independence party. so, you know, she never commented but there's no doubt about it, she wouldn't be dismissing these voters or their concerns. and her message always to the conservative party has been the conservative party needs to stick to its core principles. if you don't, people are going to abandon you and go elsewhere. thank you. [applause] thank you for those interesting remarks. this concludes the event today. we are approaching the holiday season and there are books outside. and also you can go to thank you very much. [applause]
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the first setting first lady to address the united nations and first to address the nation in a joint appearance with the president. >> to my number friends out there, life can be great, but not when you can't see it. so open your eyes to life to see it in the vivid colors god gave us the precious gift to his children to enjoy life to the full list and to make it count. say yes to your life and when it comes to drugs and alcohol, just say no. >> nancy reagan as the original series' first lady's influence and image returns. monday night life at eastern on c-span and bonds eased entry. also seized and radio and triet appeared on
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c-span washington journal to discuss his book the gop civil war. he talked about divisions within the republican party over the fiscal and national security issues and how these divisions may impact the 2014 and 2016 elections. this is a little under an hour. >> we want to introduce you to eric ham who's written a new book gop civil war. before we get into the body of the book, give us your background so people know where you're coming from. >> i started out working for the senator bill nelson in the national security adviser for the armed services subcommittee on the strategic force. the center for strategic and international studies.
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as we are working on at csis and some of the issues involved and of course iran and a lot of work around china as well. we've gone from they're doing work for a university leading a project on the three eda security initiative talking about the peacebuilding issues and how to incorporate the peacebuilding measures and to the u.s. foreign policy but still working very closely with members of congress and members of the administration and the staff as well on a number of different issues. >> host: how did you get into that line of work? >> i started at the university of michigan where i studied economics and political science and move on to the university of chicago to get a master's from the college program there and came to washington and found a spot right here in the nation's capital working on the hill and it just all kind of move from their. >> host: so you work for a democrat, bill nelson, and --
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>> guest: and centrist democrat. >> host: but now you are writing about the gop civil war. >> guest: yes, this is not i would think a controversial book although the title might indicate that. it's a book that looks at the party. it's a comprehensive analysis of what's going on in the party. and also keep in mind we are in a two-party system and no one can deny the fact that the party is going through an internal struggle right now. so what we are doing is just basically highlighting what many people around town have been talking about. >> host: so who is in the civil war, what are the sides? >> guest: there are the moderates were the establishment and of course that he party activists taking place, and we are seeing this battle drawn-out and really come to fruition during the government shut down just a few weeks ago and when
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that whole situation finally ended, you had i would consider one of the tea party mainstays sarah palin come out and say that they are going to be looking at the key races in 2014 where they are looking to take on many established conservatives and namely mitch mcconnell, and i would think this is on the ratcheting up and we are going to really see some major damage i think within the party in 2014. >> host: the topic this morning is based on eric ham's but the gop civil war and we will go some of his thoughts and ideas that we want to talk to republicans only during the segment it (202)585-3880 in the east and central time zone and your republican 585-3881 if you are republican and live west of the mississippi or fervor out west mountain and pacific time zone and hawaii times zone. republicans only during the
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segment. we want to talk to you about how you view the future of your party. what do ann coulter and john boehner have in common? >> guest: that is a good question. i believe they care deeply about the party, the gop and the direction of the party, but i think that's where their similarities end. i think they have very different ideas on how to move forward. john boehner has a very difficult task of actually having to govern. and he has to appeal to i think a very activist base within his party but he also has to think about the direction of the country at large in terms of how the country is moving forward, and we are dealing with some very major issues right now, which we are still grappling with high employment -- high unemployment. there are a number of issues coming to fruition, namely the debt ceiling debate that is going to be taking place in
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about six or seven weeks. cities are some of the issues he has to think about where i think someone like ann coulter she recites firmly in the activism within the party and kind of like selling red meat to the tea party types and the far right parties. >> guest: is their common ground? do they share ideas and ideals? >> guest: i think they want to see the party become more successful than it has particularly in winning the elections. how they actually get there i think is a very -- i think it is open to a discussion between them. >> guest: the government shut down. was that harmful to the republican brand, that he partied? >> guest: absolutely. that was hugely -- that was a hugely detrimental to the party.
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if you look at the polling of the majority of the americans firmly believe that the shutdown was the fault of the republican party and it didn't help that leading up to the shutdown, you had the filibuster by senator ted cruce, which i think for many americans it gave the impression that this was owned by the tea party and that i think what it did was cement for many americans that the gop has a very difficult time trying to govern. and then when you have the actual shot down and many americans particularly working in the government with checks not going out and veteran's having difficulty receiving benefits, i think that just didn't play out very well for the republican party. on the flip side, when the shutdown ended, of course there was an immediate hit it towards
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obamacare and so i think many of the losses that we saw, and the one was inflicted on the republican party, those immediately seemed to go away and there was a huge burden to what happens to the democratic party in the midst of this obamacare rollout that was completely bungled. but still i think many americans saw that shut down firm in the category of the gop. >> host: what is on the positive side of the ledger in your view for the republicans right now? >> guest: that is a good question. actually, republicans i think are in a really good shape in at number one, they do have control of the majority and legislators throughout the country. additionally, and i talked about this in the book, there is no shortage i think of great
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potential candidates in 2016. in fact i would say that they have a much deeper bench than the democratic party beginning with of course chris christi who when saw in a huge landslide in the blue state of course his issue was going to be can he bring the party together, the activism and the establishment wing of the party but winning the way he did in the blue state i think goes a long way in securing the going forward in 2016. of course you have potential candidates like governor bobby jindal, former governor boesh possibly i think a dark horse like susanna martinez in the mexico of course. she hasn't talked about running. she is avoiding the limelight but still i think you have a number of candidates with the gubernatorial experience who i
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think could play well in 2016. >> host: in your book the gop civil war you write the road ahead has great challenges and as a party that has become more tone deaf and intransigent since the election of the first president of colored. the of a seemingly insurmountable hurdle to climb through the gop is the young voters. >> guest: the republican party lost young voters among the number of demographics and i think they will need to win going forward in 2012 young voters, not just young voters that when men and people of color and i think if the republican party wants to be seen as a national force going forward, they are going to need to find a way to promote policies, promote ideas that resonate not only with young voters, but with women and minorities, and i think that
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many republicans thought barack obama was running a campaign in 2020, and maybe 2016, but we saw the race he ran and the demographics she was able to bring along i think that we saw we are much further along today in 2013 than 2012 than we would be in 2016 and 2020. so i think going forward the republican party needs to create a mantra of bringing all people into the party. the first thing we need to do is figure out how do we speak to these voters and what are the issues they care about? you look at one demographic that i think was largely overlooked in 2012 and that is the asian-american population, which barack obama won handily. and the 2008 race they were 1% of the


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