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america's foundation and the high quality of people that work for young america's foundation. i appreciate your police and intelligence and i appreciate that you i dressed as if you were at the reagan ranch with your cowboy shoes and reminded that tomorrow in capistrano near where i lived is the swallows day where they have a law on the books that you can be arrested for being there without cowboy boots. i wear them once a year. i understand that there is some students from belem and prep here. i graduated from there and as a matter of fact i was a border there. because you don't have the boarding school anymore but as a border i had a habit of talking after curfew. the jesuits' would tell us you can't talk after 9:45 or 10:00 and i kept getting in trouble
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for this so for those of you that haven't attended gillette institution there is a concept of punishment that we have called jug. that is referred to as justice under god. i was one of the most heavily juged students there during my day but my talking helped to lead to something because i got to express myself well in this book so part of that book is the fine education i got there. there are a couple things i want to hone in on with you about "taxifornia" and california's problems and how california's problems relate to places out of the state. can i see a show of hands for students outside california? this is going to be a little california centric. you are in california to begin with, the lovely reagan ranch. a lot of what i am going to say
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about public employee pension problems, municipal problems, municipal bankruptcies related cross the board not only to california. california is leading the nation. many of you heard of the terrible municipal bankruptcy in d choice, the largest bankruptcy that has occurred in the nation. that bankruptcy was predictable but it happened over a period of time because of circumstances similar to california. liberal democrats were in control for a long period of time. they didn't use spending constraint, public employee unions controlled got elected to various offices, the place was ranked with corruption. they got a lot of welfare into the city and ended up paying high public employee salaries and had very high commitments to the public employee union pension funds and the city went completely bankrupt and the largest municipal bankruptcy in the country but california led
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the way because prior to deflate the largest municipal bankruptcy was stockton in california. stockton went into bankruptcy for exactly the same reason. for paying its public employees too much, for developing huge obligations to its public employee pension funds and doing incredibly stupid things like using public funds to build a hockey stadium, for a hockey team that didn't exist. was government version of building a baseball field and hoping they would come. not like stockton eyess over. hockey is wonderful sport. i support the los angeles kings but building a hockey stadium without hockey team precipitated the fact that the banks actually repossessed the city hall the day before they filed for bankruptcy. i am a political scientist, not an economist. but logic is logic so let me
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walk you through a little bit of information that i have in "taxifornia" and the reason for california's problems. if we have time for questions we will do that. great. many of you don't pay taxes. who pays taxes? a few people out there. anybody in here looking forward to paying taxes going forward? you are probably looking forward to doing your citizen duty, probably looking forward to supporting a fair government, fair government services. the problem is the stewardship is all wrong. i will talk about taxes but what i want to get into is what will affect your lives. particularly you guys where san jose is located, give an example how bad san jose is. california has had deficits for years and has had deficits for
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years because it has spent too much. is not a question of not taxing but spent too much. a huge part of the reason it's been too much is the public employee unions have taken over lock stock and barrel the politics of the state. since 2000 the california teachers association has spent $300 million to influence elections and lobbying in the state of california and behind them is the service employees international union at about $150 billion, and then the correction will officers, the prison guards which is a big player in california politics. between those three public employee unions these public employee unions have spent half a billion dollars in california politics since 2000. comparison, one of the biggest lobbies in the state is chevron oil, big oil particularly in santa barbara. that is bad. they were involved in that oil spill which happened 30 or 40
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years before you were born but it still is a feature in california politics that keeps us from exploiting offshore oil and even exploiting energy resources and the rest of the state that could balance our budget and created great economy and all these jobs. we have a terrific environmentalism as a result of that spill that stops that progress. what chevron oil spent on politics in the state, $90 million in the same period in time in comparison to have a billion dollars by the public employee unions. california chamber of commerce represents all the industry in the state. a lot of reasons to care what happens in the california legislature. they have been able to cobble together $50 million so the public employee unions have outstripped california businesses tenfold. even the indian casinos which are huge players as special interests in this state spent less than public employee unions. the problem in california is the
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general public doesn't perceive public employee union control as a special interest. you have big tobacco, big tobacco, big oil, big oil, at&t, telecommunications all trying to influence the system but none of them have the pervasive power the public employee unions have and the public employee unions manifested that power most completely in electing democrats to office. today in california every statewide office, all the constitutional offices are held by liberal democrats. the public employee unions specifically spent $5 million to let jerry brown four years ago. case than $4 million to elect the superintendent of public instruction, a very liberal democrat. democrats have two thirds control of both houses of the legislature, state senate and the assembly.
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with all this control it means republicans are essentials the powerless statewide because when you have below 1-third threshold there are many, many, there are much fewer things that the republican minority can do to improve legislation. democrats are in total control. we understand that. absolutely total control. we also understand as a result of their policy california state income tax is the highest in the nation at 13.3%. california state sales tax is the highest in the nation. the gas tax at the pump is the highest in the nation. what did that result in? what good has come out of that? i can tell you one thing. california is now leading the nation in poverty. in the last two years a new feature of california economics is california is the poorest state in the nation. very different from when i was
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going there. when governor brown's father edmund brown was the governor of california. today one in four californians lived in abject poverty under the poverty line, 20,000, roughly $20,000 a year for a family of four is considered the poverty line. part of the reason is the cost of living in california because californians desire a place to live. it has great weather and the coast and yosemite and all the cool things young people and old people enjoy doing. the reality is the cost of living is increased by consumption taxes. consumption tax is a tax on a good or a thing. in california consumption taxes are sales taxes, taxes on gasoline, taxes on alcohol and tobacco, taxes on cellphones, taxes on internet. in some cases taxes on cable
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television. when you have the highest consumption taxes in the nation you are pushing people who are already 4 farther into poverty because when you lift the cost of living you take away disposable income and make people for. brown and the democrats know that they are making people 4 in california but are doing so at the behest of public employee unions. doesn't that seem like a dichotomy? you would think public employee unions would be carrying about the state in general but they don't care about the state in general. they're protecting their defined benefit plans, pension plans. this is where we turn the page over to how your futures are going to be affected. california is taxing and making its public war and one reason it is taxing is because there isn't enough money to pay for pensions for public employees. it used to be a person would get
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a job in the public sector and that the pay in the public sector might not be as good as it was in the private sector but they take that job in the public sector because there would be a strong defined benefit retirement plan and that person would have a really good retirement. it was a trade off. that has completely changed in the california of today. in the california of today public employees are among the highest paid individuals in the state in comparison to private employees and they have the richest benefit plan in comparison to the private sector. it is just outrageous. let me run through the statistics for you. in the city of san francisco there are currently over 10,000 city employees that are paid over $100,000 a year. average pay in california is $52,000 a year for a family of
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four so you have over 10,000 people being paid over $100,000. you have 70 people in san francisco being paid over $200,000 a year. there are 20 public employees in san francisco being paid over $300,000 a year including a line firefighter who in 2013 was paid 214 -- $348,000 a year. where i live in 2012 the salary for an average firefighter was $234,000. pmi saying we should cut salaries? that public servants and police and firefighters shouldn't get -- no. i am not saying that. but you are going to get screwed by their pensions because under california law in 1999 gray davis and the liberal democrats thought that the economy was
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booming so they decided to add six new benefits to these defined benefit plans and created something that allows public safety workers to retire at 50 or 55 at up to 90% of their salary and when you combine that with the actuarial tables and the fact when i went there life expectancy was maybe 268 or 72 but today life expectancy is way extended because we have all these great medical achievements and people are living healthier. you could have a situation where a fire fighter might retire at age 55. look at the guy who got the $350,000 salary and you do the math. give that person 90% of that because it is based on a mathematical formula for the last few years and if that person live to 95 that is 45
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years drawing a quarter of a million-dollar pension. it is possible. over 25,000 state employees right now makeover $100,000 in pensions. what does it mean? localities can't afford to provide public services to you and me. as i sit in the city of san jose, chuck reed, a conservative democrat, recently issued a -- a budget for the city that provides $1 billion of spending. $300 million of the spending is for pensions. that is 30% of the budget and that is quadruple over the past ten years and pension maintenance has quadrupled over the last ten years and probably five years cities like san jose and others in the state will have their primary purpose, 51% of their spending being to take care of the elderly.
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and the elderly will be people who are 57 or 58 years old for past services. when those budgets get hit and socked with that many it means there is less service for the rest of us. san jose has cut out their brutal unit. they are asking for volunteers to come forward to retired police men that work for free so they can do burglary investigations. anybody from the county of sonoma here? no? anybody from the county of san what king? those are two important counties and between the two of them, 3,000 miles of poppel road that they can fill. people talk about the problem with infrastructure in california. i don't know if you talk to people outside the state but the roads are terrible. the reason the roads are terrible does all the money is going to pay for public employee pension liability. the unions won't let be reformed.
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it is the difference between a defined benefit plan and a reform along the lines of what is called a self directed 401(k). one of the major reforms that has been discussed is instead of putting all this money into defined benefit plans, among the reforms being discussed are to have employees take more responsibility for their own retirement and to it in the form of establishing the pension plans would establish a 401(k) where the employee would assume the risk of investment but you would still have government money going into it. the employee making a bigger contribution to their retirement, you have the employer employer making a bigger contribution to their retirement and maybe even have the state doing it. but where the state of california might say that it has two or $3 billion deficit
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reality is when you take into consideration these obligations the state has the state is near bankrupt. the teacher program is $170 billion in debt for unfunded liability in the future. this is a terrific problem and the solutions are not easy because liberal democrats keep coming back to the theme of raising taxes under the charade of doing that for the kids. we all know about obama saying if you like your doctor you can keep him. if you like your plan you can keep him. in california that translates to raise taxes like this we need to raise taxes to do it for the kids and when they raise taxes under proposition 31 passed in 2012 some money didn't go to the kids. the money went according to dan walters who is a columnist for sacramento beat, went to
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prisons, welfare and hiking government salaries. that in a nutshell is "taxifornia". i have a lot more in the book. one interesting thing i might mention in the book is the story about -- you guys are getting ready to go to college, story about sophomore who worked on freshman orientation at sonoma state university and she wore all little gold cross around her neck, passive display of religious yossi and according to a policy of the chancellor's aim made her take off because they didn't want to offend any incoming freshmen. this is part of the liberalism the maltese -- all these other problems of spending and protecting special interests helped cause. we need to fight for freedom.
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ronald reagan, i will close with this, ronald reagan who i was proud to work with brought in the longest economic expansion in the history of the nation by lowering taxes in 1982. it was longer than the touted carter expansion and he kept his eye on the ball and believed in limited government and low taxes and people prospered. john kennedy said when he lowered capital gains taxes when he became president, rising tide lifts all boats. the message of "taxifornia" is there is too much spending, individuals need to have their eyes on government so that it doesn't get so out of control and so one sided with so much liberal democrat control but they are allowed to run amok because when they run amok your future is in danger. i want to thank ron robinson, a
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good friend and comrade. when we were your age we were in the trenches fighting jane fonda and her communist allies around the country. i want to thank patrick khalil, we worked together for a while, patrick had a great career at young americans foundation and glad to see my friend kirby wilbur here. if i could answer any questions. [applause] >> i should mention the book is available on amazon.com. i see that c-span is here. >> say your name and where you are from. >> i am from california. i was wondering what california has to take to get back on track. >> it is a great question and i treat it towards the end of the
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book. i believe that arnold schwarzenegger's governorship was a failure. when he ran for governor in 2003 i believe, it was after we recall the governor on the basis of hiking the contacts. he got elected and went to republican conventions and i'm a conservative. i believe in milton friedman. i don't believe in karl marx. he was lying to us just like obama lied to us. at the same time he was making those comments he was making deals with the california teachers association to say is there any way we can work together? i will go out and run as a reform governor and blow up the boxes and i won't do anything to hurt you. he couldn't have it both ways. he had to take some steps to show that he was a governor that was going to try to reform and i talk about this in "taxifornia". recreated something called the california performance review
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commission. this commission had hundreds of volunteers involved in pouring all over california's big government to come up with recommendations to fix the government. there is even still california performance review on the web site for the state of california which has the findings and information. according to this review if it was implemented, something like $30 billion in savings could be achieved in a real simple things. when meg whitman went for governor she ran this thing that had been not implemented, a sheet read it twice and they were no-brainers. simple things like for example department of motor vehicles, you register your car once a year. and the the california performance review you extend that to two years so you pay more but had it for two years and there would be that much less bureaucratic work associated with it. real simple things. i have a very good friend who is
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a member of the california review and named joel fox, and he saw that it wasn't being implemented and asked arnold why isn't it being implemented? what he got back from our old was he didn't want to take on the left. you went through some initiatives in 2005 where he tried to do some reforms and got beat and basically gave up. is chief of staff, susan kennedy can be the deputy chief of staff of gray davis and was a former director of the california democrat party. the california performance review and that is a big start and among the things california needs to do our ideas of democrats. michelle wie who used to be the chancellor of the district of
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columbia school system has an organization called students first. there's another democrat for majority leader of the state senate named gloria romero who is involved in this they want to reform our schools. and 46, 48, and the kids perform at the bottom. there's no connection of dots. there is no accountability on the part of the teachers. educating students for a lot less. we need to learn from moderate democrats how to bills in meaningful standardized testing. some people may blow off and say we have to take this test. it will not affect our ability to graduate. we have a test to graduate.
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and .2. these things should measure -- to measure the accomplishments with teachers and how teachers should be paid and whether any need retraining and teachers really good and doing well at a high school should be emulated in other places. that is a reform that is needed. teaching of critical thinking. common core is a controversial thing but one of the underlying issues of common core which is standardized testing, very important from taxpayer accountability standpoint. and federalization is important. i am not advocating but from the taxpayer accountability standpoint we need to have intelligent kids that don't take
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remedial classes. we need to have smart, bright people entering the workforce. >> we have a question right here. >> my name is josh su from flagstaff, arizona. a fairly conservative state. >> with public employee union pension issues. >> very big red states. your point about offices held by liberal democrats my question is how do we get to that point? what events led us to this point? obviously the work that has to the opposition against that, and as young conservatives how can we change that? what can we do to curb that? we do something -- >> you are from arizona but
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asking the california sensitive question and i respect the questions so i will answer it. california the republican party is no where near the status of the republican party in arizona where you completely dominate. it is almost reversed. registration for the republican party in california is at an all-time low. there is that 150 year history, 29%. which looks terrible. if i was a young republican in california and want to have a political future i would say to myself if i wasn't a conservative before i was a republican i would say to myself why would i join his party? i won't have a future in this party? in the bay area registration is even worse. in santa monica there's a congressional district where declining state is ahead of republican in terms of
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registration. believe it or not, half of the elected officials who hold non-partisan offices, that is where the party isn't revealed on the ballot. it is only where the parties revealed on the ballot and the partisan election that republicans start using election. republicans have been talking about a branding problem for the last few national elections. we have that in california and it started in 1998. excuse me. it started in 1994. 1994. when pete wilson ran for his last election for governor, it was 1994. actually that election resulted in republicans taking control of the california state assembly as well.
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bus will leave brown outmaneuvered him. one of the years brown actually stayed in even though there was a majority republican. the reason it happened was over the issue of treatment of illegal immigrants. the proposition on the ballot in 1994 called proposition 187. the substance of the initiative was to discourage illegal immigration to california by denying illegals certain emergency benefits such as emergency treatment in hospitals and other types of public services for which the taxpayers in the state were paying for but illegals would make no contribution to. wilson was running a very tight race. i think it was against dianne feinstein who is running a very tight race and he decided he needed an issue that had
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populist appeal to help get reelected. so fully embraced proposition 187. he got elected and the republican majority came in to lead the state assembly, the last time that has happened and -- and hispanics took a bitter pill as a result of that and from that point forward public opinion polls showed support for republican candidates diminishing consistently and fairly rapidly. in 1984 when ronald reagan ran for president in california he got 45% of the hispanic vote but in the last election in california mitt romney got 20%. if mitt romney had gotten hispanic vote that ronald reagan did in 1984 he would have won california believed it or not so this is how big the problem is
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for the california republican party. there is the huge credibility problem that has been exploited by liberal democrats who continue to portray republicans as insensitive to hispanics. how do you deal with fat? you are a party that believes in marriage and believes in advancing the best candidate but how can you deal with something like that if there's any perceptions that you are excluding minorities and specifically hispanics from leadership positions? this has been a problem with the republican party? the republican party has done a very poor job in california of trying to get over that. part of the problem is the republican party had two squabbles for it to be a reliable and meaningful source of political change in the state and the business community just gets hammered as soon as they
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get involved in things by a very active left. to show you how frightened the business community is, wells fargo which has its headquarters in san francisco, one of the largest banks in the country, last year moved its annual meeting for the first time in history of the bank to salt lake city for fear of occupy wall street people spoiling their annual meeting. occupy oakland is absolutely crazy. people are just crazy. the occupy movement is funded by california teachers association. i have a footnote on that. they get their banners and sandwich and everything else they need from there. we have a very radicalized left the seizes on these issues and pushes the republican party down and it is so radical that the
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electricians' union in oakland went on strike last year demanding living wages because they thought $133,000 a year was not a good enough living wage in oakland which by the way is the third most dangerous city in the nation to live. republican party has a lot of work to do but i am not optimistic. i think away change is going to have to come won't necessarily be through the republican party. smart engineers in the bay area are already starting to have an affect on society without having to do it through politics. there is a guy in san francisco that started an outfit called the transport, a wealthy guy, entrepreneur is got the money to do it and the municipal transportation system is in ruins, the cars sting, they are blighted by crime, they are slow. you went out and bought some
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terrific buses that maybe you have been on a student excursion on. they have the this the deal, the wi-fi and so on and so forth. you can pull out an apps and see where you are driving, he charges $6, mix the municipal system, it is safe, and is a solution that is accomplishing something great without having to get the board of supervisors to vote on. there are private sector solution that will come forward in a creative way and a lot of them will come out of the bay area entrepreneurs because they will get older and they will see if they don't get involved in politics there's a transition going on. people talk about google campuses and apple campus and how insular it is. there is a transition going on where those people who will be insular and only in their own buses are moving back into san
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francisco. google for twitter opened an office on market street taking the vantage of tax incentives by the city of san francisco which is very odd. bringing people in, and as these cultures come together a i would think good things will come out of it. the left doesn't want good things out of it. they want to talk about income inequality. yesterday i talked about public employee union pay in california. that is an argument i hope somebody brings on because it varies income inequality it rests with the public employee unions, not the private sector. >> my name is nolan kendall from santa barbara county. jerry brown and the rest of the game in sacramento are living in law law land and doing a botched job of governing. there has been a proposition
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recently to decentralize the california government and split it into a six states. what is your idea? >> it is very interesting and good question. i was on a radio show in redding, calif.. that is way up north. is lovely, near mount shasta that they had a lot of economic depression up there. i was on for one hour and it was a call in and there's a movement in california called jefferson because they want to start a state that would has been going on for a few years. the southern part of oregon and the northern part of california. we were talking about a "taxifornia" and how bad the taxes are and slowly the callers took over the radio program and it became a program about jefferson. saber so interested in the book to justify seceding and creating their own state that even the guy running a radio program said i am not going to take any more
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calls about jefferson. it is very interesting and we should have a good debate. you have to realize to accomplish that you needed not only to have the votes of california legislation they do to initiative but would also take the approval of congress and the president. >> lucky enough to win both houses of congress the next goal around, we can't guarantee that we will get something like that through because you have two more years of obama and who knows what will happen? realistically it will never happen and we will just have to fight the good fight to reform this state because the state is worth it. i did not write the book to say people shouldn't come to california but to say california should be reformed. i appreciate the fact that there
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is a wealthy guy in silicon valley behind it. there is a guy that has funding to do that and i think it is a good deed that will help the debate. >> ashley from arizona. i was wondering if you believe -- flagstaff is well represented. >> was wondering if you believe reforming the environmental policy will help our country economically and if so how do you suggest we advocate that? >> environmental laws are greatly outdated particularly in the state of california. it took donald trump something like four years to get a flag pole approved for his hotel. because the local authorities thought the american flag would be a blight on ukraine.
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it took three years to get some tree plans approved to put in front of his golf course so golf balls wouldn't go through and hit people that were going by. they didn't like that particular plant. we don't acknowledge particularly in california the great success of our clean air act was already. in california over the last 40 years automobile pollution in the los angeles basin has been reduced 99%. people don't talk about that. we use and things called stage 1, stage 2, stage 3 smog alerts in the l.a. basin. they haven't had a smog alert since 1989. the reality is most pollution --
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i will talk about the air and come back to something else. most pollution is called by cars. not necessarily caused by manufacturing plants. most is caused by automobiles and trucks and the reality is federal standards cleaned up the air in california. yet they still keep the rules. there is a bakery in california, i talk about this in the book. there was a bakery that was just find $2 million for pollution. a bakery because they were emitting of the smell of baking bread. that is a pollutant in california. the rules really need to be retools. the democrats realize the rules need to be retooled. google wanted to build an extension on san jose airport. i talk about this in the book and it was an extension that they would have paid for and
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allowed for more commercial plane traffic and the holding got held up. the whole thing was held up over environmental rules that people complaining about the environmental rules that held it up was a construction companies that lost the bid to do the extension. even jerry brown is getting his comeuppance. the bullet train they're going to spend billions on? what is stopping that thankfully i guess because it is a boondoggle our wetlands suits and suits from farmers. when i mention all this what i mean to say is our environmental laws are not being used for the purpose they are created. that is the problem. we really need to have a rethinking, a change.
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democrats acknowledged we need to change these things but the inner shed to do is simply not there because of the lack of interest on the part of the people that really matter and these politicians are responsible to which i come back to public employee unions whose bottom line is hands off of our pension programs. fight for higher pay, fight for minimum-wages that actually cause job losses so high that actually cause job losses and that aren't focused on helping the people in general. i will say one other thing. of big part of california's problems, california wants to lead the nation in green and it basically becomes the world's policeman for reducing carbon emissions. it is so bad in california, 90%
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of energy from natural gas, not carbon. only one nuclear plant is electric and they won't let natural gas be exploited from the state because i don't know why. maybe they think our natural gas is not as clean as others but when natural gas is imported is almost like a monopoly causing the price to go up. poor people and everybody end up paying 50% more for their energy. that is what is going on right now in the state. california can't be the world's policeman for green at a time of record high unemployment and a time of record poverty. now is not the time to do that. and the laws to heard in terms of unemployment and poverty and need to be reformed. >> my name is joe ballard. what do you think -- >> i live in fremont.
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you know where glennmore is? that is where i grew up. my parents got an apartment. >> what you think we as high school students do in our schools and communities in regards to what you have been talking about? >> it is wonderful that you are here. thank god there is a young americans foundation that can have a place for you to come so many programs are based on college kids as opposed to high school students. i loved politics, i joined at bellman. april 1970 was the first earth day and i was among two or three students that in protest of earth day wore suits to school. that was like of revolution at that time to stand out. it is wonderful that you are
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here and the fifth group in particular is available to you with its tremendous resources. this is a tremendous non-profit charity that i can tell you i don't know what you paid to come here but i can tell you ron and his staff have gone out and raised the funds. this is not inexpensive but you are getting a great education and from here you will learn more and you will learn more and you will learn more. you know, i think high school is probably different, and understand and administration expects that there is going to be a lot of free speech and exchange on the campus. at high school is a different focus, it is preparing for the time that you get to college 8. and i think it is great to be politically active and
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politically active on high school. it is only natural that you would feel little bit like in a cage and wanting to get out and i understand that and it is great within the rules of the school that you get out and speak but high school is a time for learning and reading and having interchange and developing your ideas and developing your thoughts and preparing yourself for way you'd go to college so when you go to college you complete out of the box and participate in young republicans, college republicans, young americans for freedom chapter and make your way. let me ask you a question. do you feel constrained? do you feel you could do more? how do you feel yourself about ice collectivism? >> it is a pretty open place. don't know how it was when you went there but there was a lot of back and forth, people generally open to ideas which i
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like. the yacht club is still there so that is nice. a lot of people come to meetings. i feel i am able to be active. some were talking about how everyone is different and there's a crazy republican. i don't think it is like that. i was in the area so other places i go to -- >> the bay area is for those of you who don't understand the politics of california, is a wasteland for republicanism but it doesn't mean some republicans don't come from the area or go on to be involved and so on and so forth. for the republican registration is really in southern california and the central valley of california going to the north is that is where the swing area is. you need to represent and the idea of having some activism and
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be involved with activist organizations. i remember ron robinson told me he was in buffalo that part of his activism was whenever there was a snowstorm they would close all the schools he would be certain to get on the radio and call in they would not be having their meeting at this school or that school which helped create the impression there were a lot of yacht chapters. sort of creative, maybe there were not so many but the radio people were saying -- i think representing and being involved is very important but you have to remember your big days are coming in terms of activism on the college campus and really excelling the philosophy and
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exposing yourself to it and having a wonderful opportunity to come to this is how you will develop. >> i am from malibu, calif.. you have been talking about the solutions to california's many problems. i wonder how but proposition 13 movement will play. >> democrats were completely in control of california. jerry brown was the governor. he is the governor now. he was the governor in 1978, liberal democrats have big majorities in both houses of the state legislature and the problem in 1978 was taxes for getting incredibly high because
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of property values. there was tremendous hyperinflation. california property values were going up and the method of taxation at the time was based on annual appraised value. if you bought a house for $15,000 in the 1950s which would be the comparison. a retired couple by then living on $1,000 or $2,000 a month in social security, probably less. your home had gone up in value from 250,000, your annual property-tax could be close to what you pay to buy the house 25 years ago. people were being taxed out of their homes and the response of the democrats was to do nothing. response of the democrats was to spend the money. was a windfall. end of the business community did not want to take on willie
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brown. characterized by its initiative system, howard jarvis, tried two or three times, made a coalition with paul again, they made half-million signatures to put a drastic two thirds cut in the property-tax and he was derided by the establishment liberals. established republican party was not in favor of proposition 13 that the people rose up. on election day two thirds of the people went against everybody. they lower their taxes 57% for property-tax. it had an effect helping the economy. tax revenues went down, only in the property tax category according to art laughter, for
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five to six years but after that five years property-tax revenues were back to where they were because of expansion in the economy and every other category of taxation revenue grew because this created an economic boom. it fed very well into the reagan economic expansion. i don't think there's much hope for california but you raise a terrific point. california has risen up. in 1970 we did pass proposition 13. 2003, we did recall a governor. in 2013, believe it or not, the liberal citizens of the city of los angeles turned down a sales tax hike that was put on the ballot. that is a democrat city. people had enough of the taxes. more recently san diego has elected republican mayors and san diego is one of the biggest

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