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>> jim demint discusses how we can fix our social and economic problems. he argues nothing will be solved and solutions will have to come from communities around the country. this is about an hour. [applause]
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>> good evening. welcome to the national constitution center. how is everybody tonight? we are being filmed in multiple venues both wise and live to tape. heritage is carrying us live. did you know that? why if right now online into c-span recording for a future broadcast so i expect all of you to let people know how to do thingwe dothings into without f. there's an open bar unless some of our salespeople are. want to run a tab. isn't it great to see the senator demint here into without the crux of costco i want to thank the sponsors tonight on west shore funds.com. they've been the most fantastic hosts and have put a premium. our friend has put a premium on bringing speakers of all strides and one of the things he said to
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me when he became the head of the constitution center was i want conservatives to note they are welcome and have a home at the center into without fear. i also want to thank our friend from let freedom reign and he's a great sponsor of the show and introduced me to heritage but most of all thank you for being here and listening. you know, the very first constitution i ever picked up was from heritage as a matter of fact that insiders have founded in 1973 the foundation is a research and educational institution whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative policies they stunned the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional american values and a strong national defense. in other words the heritage foundation is doing in
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washington, d.c. what i believe just a block away our founders intended all of ushant and easy to do. >> that's why we are there. [applause] you have a great voice say you should consider being in radio. my microphones must not be as loud as yours. you have tv hair. [laughter] heritage has been around for 40 years and they were instrumental in getting me interested in running for public office in the first place at 47-years-old i have never run for anything. i got frustrated with washington, i was tired of beating on the set and i was reading the background because a friend of mine who was a professor had done a fellowship and i started seeing the connection between public policy and the things i cared about and i found out i was a conservative, i thought i was
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just an american that i have been reading that and it helped me understand what the political stripes were that i really believed in him us i was in the house of representatives they were my surrogate staff and by the time i got to the senate they started the heritage action and could actually make the phones ring when i was trying to stop bad legislation and it's the only organization i would have left the senate for. >> i know that i count myself as one. you were a warrior in congress and when i heard that you were leaving the senate in late 2012, early 2013 i thought how can we lose him, how can he go. for a lot of us you were a real voice. was it purely that it was that big of a talk to you or did you feel and hear people say i'm spent.
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>> i was encouraged that in 2010 i went outside the party strikes and worked in a number of states around the country such as pennsylvania. >> by the way you might recall a certain 2010 election. you and the worst someone named pat toomey over senator specter if i'm not mistaken. [applause] >> he went out on a limb. >> i was lectured that he couldn't win in pennsylvania and that we needed to support moderate. and what i found all over the country is that if the voters wanted a moderate if they were going to vote for democrats and what we need is inspiring conservatives and folks that understand our ideas make life better for people, that i went out on a limb in florida for rand paul and i had been in the senate to realize we couldn't
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change the senate until we changed some of the people who were there. once that happened after 2010 i saw all of the pressures in washington started cutting the legs out from a number of all of these good guys. i had seen if he went outside of washington and engaged people correct me with a good message and good people, you could do what everyone said was impossible and that encouraged me but i realized we couldn't win from the inside. i could make a little bit of the difference hoping elect folks from stopping the bad legislation that we have to beat in the position to stop the legislation to turn the country around. so for me it has always been the centerpiece of the conservative movement. they have the intellectual integrity of the research and the right ideas. they'd started to build a grassroots network and keep washington more accountable. there is so much pretense in washington and heritage action
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has a scorecard to help people see what's going on so people hate them which is good to be hated in washington a lot of cases. >> i noted this tonight palletta co. identified you as the most hated man in washington, d.c.. [applause] stack if they like you in washington, then you're probably part of the problem. >> i shouldn't say everyone, but the system is definitely holding onto the status quo. so i try to do it with earmarks for instant and i found out half of those lobbyists were not very happy when we banned them. the concept that was born here
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in philadelphia, federalism and the power to the communities and the state get that concept of earmarks really perverted that in a huge way, did it not ask >> we were supposed to look out for the nation. nation. it may get everything parochial or instance. people came to washington to get money for their states. it was coming from the federal government you didn't really have to pay for it. we can just keep spending and spending. that's what most congress was about. >> this is how they say they love the congress because the congressmen and senators come home and open a beautiful museum or bridge and slap their name on a plaque or.
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>> we got away from the concept of what's good in america and very little was about how would we makdo wemake the country betd stronger in the future to change the mindset of those who are representing people back home that the idea was to actually take federal money and bring it back home and that's not the concepts to the constitution. i've heard people use the idea that congress has the power on the purse strings. they do but in the enumerated power there is only certain things we should be doing in washington and you mentioned federalism not many people even know what the word means anymore it sounds like more federal government regional constitutional idea that the federal government would be limited t, the constitution is a compact between the states to commit to the federal government and otherwise leave the states free to operate and to compete with each other and it was never and vision that the federal government would be centrally come trolling most aspects of
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our economy and society. >> which brings us to today's news after the deadline for obamacare. we celebrated and waved the flags and people fell out of the sky and went to the website. >> it is an april fools joke. [laughter] [applause] >> people are talking about chris christie. this is something that wavered a little bit but it is firm on the expansion of medicaid that goes back to the concept isn't that the conservatives are cruel and heartless but we all know when you open that door and start accepting those federal etching funds there you are coming you are tied into the federal government.
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the programs on various types of health care and medicaid and food stamps and the states don't even have to pay much of a share at all so it's free money with economic development. all of the states know the and e need to push back in the federal government. now more and more in the objection to the common core they were dangling this is voluntary, this has a lot of flexibility. the teachers unions wouldn't be allowing it if it had any flexibility at all for the states. i'm encouraged that the way to save the country is for the states to push back. they have the power if they come together and for instance school choice is flourishing in a
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number of states and others are beginning to copy and that means the federal government doesn't have to act. pennsylvania hopefully would be the next workplace freedom state following michigan and wiscons wisconsin. that type of thing pushes back against the federal government and against some of the greasy train going off for the party. but i write about those examples particularly energy development. pennsylvania is benefiting from that and so are states like north dakota. >> why is it radical in peoples minds durinpeople'sminds duringl debates, and i know that rick perry felt nobody would answer but when asked what departments would you eliminate. it's strange but it almost seems jarring to people that don't pay a lot of attention and you talk about eliminating departments in the federal government like education or the epa, some people just act like you've taken the lord lord's name in vr
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something. >> time after time the strides in education are happening at the state level and at the federal governmenthe federalgovs unions are not trying to help the students but you see that in new york with the dc scholarships this is hoping poor minority children into the evidence is so clear it's beginning to unite the right and left around the country. it's one of those issues that we need to bring more into the spotlight as conservatives. but it goes back to federalism. we need to get control out of washington and remind americans to cause we don't want the federal government to do it if means we want it done right. stack you were in the senate when that ruling out of nowhere john robert spoo obamacare attacked rendering it the law of the land.
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the question on our mind is can it be unwound even today the president again, for her white house chief of staff osama network today saying it's over. this will never be undone and they will take control of the congress but you're still not going to undo it is basically what they are saying now so now what do we do? >> in some ways it is giving up on what is essentially american to accept the socialized medicine and that is the design of obamacare. we know it is basically going to fall apart into the private archicad work under this regim regimen. in the system the government will be centrally control all of it i think that there is a good opportunity here to use obamacare as a teaching moment.
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>> do you mean thithe evening to the presidential election? >> i think for both but it's going to depend on what the republicans can do if they do take the majority in the senate to at least delay the parts the president has delaye delayed, ao slow this thing down to allow the private insurance market to survive another two years and to give states and alternative to this. if we can buy some time until 2016 that we get a good president elected, i think that this can be unraveled. it's going to be hard but if we don't, you are going to have what you have in other countries where there's socialized medicine and a two-tiered system, the people with money will buy health insurance and get real healthcare, and those who don't are going to end up on the medicaid style plans where the doctors don't want to see it coming.
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in chapter eight you tal chaptet what the doctors be doctors. it's by a gentle man that was a guest last night and sat just down the road. he wrote the forward come he has been stellar on the subject but he is on of those guys out of there with the warning of the canary in the coal mine. nero surgeons like me, the smartest and the best among us, what we are building refills those like me from the system. >> it's going to get debate could be hard to get those with hundreds of thousands in debt in order to be something that the bureaucrats will control how he practices medicine. so it's going to be harder and harder to track the best and brightest. to have the pleasure to speak after him this year -- [laughter] it's like i sucked the air out of the room after everyone out
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and cheered. but the story in the beginning was a great story of a little platoons ihow alittle platoons a helped him. he grew up with a single mom in poverty with a lot of racism and a data community. but the neighbors and church groups allowed him to grow up in a good environment to become what he is today which is a good testimony to do those things that helped him succeed. >> you went on the daily show, and this is a two part with a stick with the platoons and i will stick with the second part of that in a moment. he picked up on that statement and the idea of communities solving problems. he didn't -- he took the words, played with them a little bit he
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had community activism. that is what it does magically. you talk about churches and civic groups helping one another in small communities. that is what barack obama is. >> he organizes to get something from government. americans organize to do things themselves and de tocqueville noted that about the country when he came over in the early 18 hundreds, he was almost stunned that when americans saw a problem instead of telling the government to do it, they found a few friends and neighbors and to solve the problems themselves. and so, that is not only what works in the community -- edmund burke used a quote pointing out that that is the section for each other and that's public affection that we have for our country you don't really develop that from the top down. you develop it from those people that are the closest to you in your lives and appreciation that
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allows that to happen. so the point of the book is reminding americans we were to only country in the world at least the country this size that was built from the ground up. we were not built down or controlled from the top down. that is why we were so prosperous and innovative and that's why you could have the most diverse population in the world live together in harmony and most of the time, because you and i can get along and care about each other and disagree on everything as long as you don't have to believe what i believe and you don't have to believe what i believe. once my ideas are forced down the throat by the government you don't like me or the government doing it. this divides us into groups and plays one against another and anytime there is a one-size-fits-all for schools, some succeed and some failed. then we are all forced into the
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same health care system and it doesn't work for a lot of us and wwe redesigned, and if we allowa lot of choices, people can live together and have the public affection that edmund burke talks about that makes the country so vibrant. >> there is an instinctive desire for people to manage their own affairs locally. but i don't know if the left in this particular administration has created such a sense of bloom and despair and desperation in some people they feel like the only possible answer can't be any, can't be my pastor, can't be my city council it's got to be the big daddy washington, d.c.. >> that is a part of the pitch to convince people that left on your own you can't survive, that these big special interests are going to take advantage of you and the rich people will take advantage of you. we have to show a better way.
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the examples all around the country where the government doesn't help the little guy were the poor. what i call bigonomics. when the medicare part d. was written, pharmaceutical companies were in the room and when obamacare was written it wasn't for healthy uninsured. it was written by the big insurance companies and big hospitals that thought they were going to get a windfall and every american was forced to buy products they didn't want or need. we see that the new york charter schools were closing was a great example that they are not connect witin itfor the student. it's the teachers unions, the government working together not for the benefit of the students but for the benefit of
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themselves. there is a reason seven out of the ten richest counties in america are in washington, d.c.. and it's not because they make a lot of stuff. it's because the big government fosters other and it concentrates wealth in the hands of a few. how many of you have been to washington, d.c. recently? have you noticed -- it blew my mind one of the only cities in the country where they are building a robust -- it looks like 1990s something. it's like the gold rush. when the power concentrates, so does wealth. and the dodd frank bill supposedly to protect the little guy it was written by the wall
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street banks that caused the problem. and they wrote it in a way that made it harder for the community banks to proceed. it happens all the time. a lot of the lobbyists working and regulators creating the regulatory regime's that make it hard for the competitors to compete with them they are not doing what they say they are doing and what i hope the book will do is convince americans to stop electing people regardless of the party that say they are going to go to washington and fix things in washington. the only thing is to fix washington back where it belongs to the states and the people. i think that we have an opportunity to do that because as we pointed out in the book the success in the country today are all around us in the states that are promoting more choice in education. kids are getting a better education and states that are developing their own energy, pennsylvania has joined in that.
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you are seeing prosperity coming you see even private citizens insure themselves. so there are solutions and we don't need to bring things to washington where they don't work. and if it worked we could sit down and have an honest debate whether we want washington or the states to do it but you would be hard-pressed to find any federal program that is working efficiently as promised. >> whatever you want to label them. today i made a big deal about this on th on a on the show andt know whether anybody picked up on it at the former white house chief of staff said something on bb double to me on television. he said i will admit what we all know but i feel that you could run on the ad to the millennialist today. he said and i'm paraphrasing although i know the economy is
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tough and money is tight and you probably don't have a lot of it, we have to get it from you. older americans like me can reap the benefits. those were his exact words. and i thought if you told a twentysomething on the college campus he shows up and says i know you don't have a lot of money but give it to me so i can ride off into the sunset, that is the story. that's how you get young people back it seems to me. i almost want to tease them a little bit and say thank you for not paying attention. all of this debt tha data that e run up during my lifetime and you get to pay it back with a lower quality of life, fewer jobs. my social security and medicare, we spent everything i put in there.
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thank you that you are going to work all of your life to keep me in social security and medicare. the same with obama, obamacare. it's based on getting young people, healthy people to buy insurance you don't need to help those that are more informed. some people might say that is a good thing. young people should pay their share. but i think if you talk to people about what they want, they would want the freedom to choose. they don't need to be giving money they don't have the need to be getting the jobs come a better education, creating their own opportunities and success in their life come and to benefit from their work. we can't put everything that we need on them but so far they are voting for the cool guy and they are getting ripped off. >> to that point back to the daily show this is another thing i want to add i talk a lot about poverty and pop culture and the
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trouble the conservatives have e had and there are some that are struggling to start permeating the pop-culture scene. to go on the daily show that is extraordinarily hostile to the heritage foundation and republicans generally certainly a senator from south carolina, yet you when coming a lot of guys wouldn't. they would say forget it. was it important for conservatives to do battle? >> i felt like i went to his audience to try to talk about the ideas that i know would make their life better. and i am frankly sickened by the promises of the field promises of the left of the trapped people in the deep end in end in s-sierrdefendant s-sierrasteel t brought the schoolhouse doors to get younger kids particularly minority in opportunity of life. i'm tired of their lives and their misdirection of issues.
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so they may be booming but frankly jon stewart has been reasonably good and asked his audience to be respectable. i don't expect to win because that isn't allowed. the audience would get on me if i'd said something too good. it was funny i don't know if you saw the first part but he said later jim demint will be with us and he said it was so bad that he went into the tank to think. [laughter] my goal is to show that i didn't have horns and i could be reasonable because what his audience need to see is that there is an alternative to the terrible disaster getting from the left. there is an alternative to making america look like detro
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detroit. they agree with almost everything the left is doing but they are still not going to vote for the other guy because they don't believe that he cares about them and i don't think that's going to start by winning the argument that by showing up. and i've seen that in places i've gone to speak to the chamber of commerce and south carolina. i know they don't necessarily think that they agree with me they appreciate yothat they appg up. >> so you feel like conservatives they are if anything on the side of being too cautious avoiding showing up where 50% is walking in the room and being willing. >> when i think about being you and walking into a setting where the host says don't beat him up too badly please welcome jim demint i don't know that i could do it.
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i thought that it was worth a try. i didn't have a lot to lose and it went reasonably well. i want to do more of it and i will ask you we have meetings all over the country and what excites me is to talk to people who don't look at conservatives but they agree on almost everything we talk about what a good strong economy to create the opportunity and most people agree there should be no guarantees for outcome but equal opportunity. >> the thing i noticed about ray rand papul and the older they are different but most people seem to, unlike any other republican i've seen in politics, there seems to be the core excitement about those men with the last name paul. what is it?
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>> any establishment. not following the status quo and not delivering the party line and showing the willing to be independent. there is a lot of good in the libertarian fault. some are afraid of the libertarian ideas and i think that the foundation of the libertarian conservative ideas are very much the same. >> where is here to john that? do you thread that needle clicks i know that you don't identify you by party. >> we don't identify by party, but the idea of individualism, less government, less debt, some reasonable controls at least on the federal reserve there is a lot of common malady and i think you find with libertarians like ron paul that value life and belief that a strong culture is from family or key so not all libertarians fit the mold of just being antisocial issues.
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but i think that there is a reasonable debate that we can have on foreign policy with libertarians because we know at heritage that without american strength of the whole world becomes destabilized and we see that happening now because of the perception of weakness in the president. ..
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>> i will ask you a little bit about the political because you come from that world and you have a book to sign and have to
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catch a train back to washington, d.c. i love what you told be back stage. ms. dent refused to move to washington, d.c. and stayed in south carolina where she is today. i love that woman. that thing, that bubble, we talk about it on talk radio all of the time and that is real. y seen it happen to people. they leave a home setting and go there and live there and maybe they will by a parcel of hand and run for reelection every year and they are not creatures of their own state or environment. >> when i ran to office, i said i am going to limit my term to six years. i didn't want to become part of it. it helps you know this isn't going to be a career. you counted yourself out and it is like a sprint where you can
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see the finish line and give it everything you have while you are there and you are not thinking let's wait until after the last election. when they said that at the republican conference i said i don't have more time >> what is the jim demint position on term limits? >> i don't condemn people that don't limit their own terms. but this was important so i would not become a permanent fixture in washington. we have seen a number of states done it and i can tell you from visiting states like florida where they have term limits, it isn't perfect, but it is much better than those that stay and get tied in with the lobby
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committee. you don't get people like marco rubio pushing up. he was term limited out and wanted to continue to serve his country so it pushes bright, young people in the federal office and makes it harder for the young guy to defend themselves. so you see the young guys knocking out the old ones. >> and i think the ted cruz filibuster where we read the green eggs and ham famously. i think that was the personification of the institution loathing anyone there showing up and anyone challenging it. they hated that guy was he was upsetting their cocktail party. >> i have not missed the sennat,
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but when i turned it on and saw him standing there at 2 a.m., i wanted to be there. >> even with your republican colleagues, there were some that watch that guy and can't stand him. >> yeah. there are. there is a preference for the status quo and everyone builds a power base, you shake it up, point out we cannot raise the debt limit and spend the money and people get upset. if ted couldn't leave washington and land anywhere in the country to cheering crowds they would have cut his legs out from under him. he has mike lee luckily to support him. but they are taking a lot of grief. with you take on both parties, my wife told me once, if the republicans disagree with you and the democrats disagree with you, have you considered you might be wrong?
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but i don't think so. >> here is the thing i hear from some of the conventional wisdom folks say standing on principle is one thing, chris, but you have to be able to govern. there is an obsession with we have to get things done. it isn't enough to stand up and fight against it, you have to be able to do things and if you just toss a wrench in and cause a seen, what have you accomplished. we have to govern. what do you say? >> i have not seen a bipartisan effort that that moved the country for the good. we are making deals now. we are closing the doors, most in secret, the big players are in the room, you get something from me, i get something for me, but the american people get ripped off.
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and so every deal now spends more money and expands more government and the only option republicans have, if they want to stop it, is to say no more money, mr. president. and some people say you cannot do that because the americans will hate the republicans. but if you watch the poles for the first time in many years they started climbing for the pp republicans after the government shutdown despite what they said. >> is there a justifiable anger conservatives in washington? i will not name names but a lot of us don't feel they are very effective and we need new le
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leadership. are people right to be angry? >> i am angry and i am disappointed and i think the primaries are good. i didn't like them when i was in office and in south carolina i was called a moderate believe it or not. and people could try to get to my right and i made it harder for them to do that creditablely anyway. i think what we owe it to surourselves -- ourselves to stop complaining and go out and lead. we have to convince americans that our ideas make their future better, country stronger and the economy better. and once we do that and we have to understand how to communicate which we have not done a good job of. and that is a priority of
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heritage. making sure we understand the right policy and how to communicate it. not just the base but they agree with us on the idea normally. i am convinced we can win the debate with the american people and the politics will follow. in 2010, the republicans had nothing to do with the tea party. the leadership in taxpayer didn't even like it. the only election they won in over a decade was because of the tea party. it is a grassroots group of people who are concerned about our country and they have been blamed for everything that is going wrong in washington and have nothing to do with it. we want to start another parade like that. i am working at heritage action and other folks around the country like let freedom ring -- [ applause ] >> our job as a conservative movement is to start the parade knowing the politicians will jump in front once it is
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started. but they to be convinced they can win elections with the right ideas and consultants are telling them pass this and get the mexican vote and this for the woman vote but that is now how you win. you don't divide others like the other side and i am convinced we can do that. [ applause ] >> there you go. >> thank you. >> last question, you and i were talking about the make-up of the senate and how many seats you think could turn from democrat to republican. are you optimistic about the house? the conventional wisdom says the house stays in republican hands. what do you see happening to the senate follow-up and then what? >> i want to make it clear we are not advocateing for the republicans. we are not partisan.
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we hope they will carry the conservative message and when any candidate uses our ideas we are happy about that. but i think you will see that everyone is out there running on conservative ideas and contrasting that with this president and where the left has taken us. and because of that and what the movement is doing versus the republicans people are seeing alternatives to the big government model. it looks like there are six seats in play at least. depending on the attitude of the country and how it goes with obamacare over the next few months and foreign policy as well. there could be huge foreign policy disasters and i hope that doesn't work up. i think you can see american to wake up. that is part of the reason for the book. getting americans to look at
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things differently. we were build from the ground up and that is what made this country great. we are not like other countries and this president and the left is trying to make us have everything centrally managed and plann planned. that is not what works. if american thinks this isn't about party, i think americans are starting to wake-up. and if they do, it could be a dramatic election for conservatives and set the stage, i think, for a change of course in 2016. >> is harry reid clinically insane? [ applause ] >> i have to know. just tell me, jim demint, you,
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us and friends, you worked with this guy. and shut the mikes off and go back and close the door and have a drink with harry reid. you and him sit down and you say that was a good one? you sold him you are that crazy or is he thatse sercertify? >> harry reid and i are friends. we disagree on lots. he read my book. >> did he pay attention to it? >> he did. and he is smart and knows the media doesn't hold him accountable. if republicans said what he does, where no one being hurt from obamacare, and that is lies -- >> he seems like a nasty man.
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like a personally nasty person. >> he is a tough guy and fights for what he believes in and the republicans expect people in the house and senate who will fight for what we believe in. >> i will leave you alone. don't get me started on shoemer. >> we are not as close. >> that is about as mason dixon like as it gets. >> questions from the audience, kelly ask it is clear that blue caller conservatives stayed home on the election show. we had senator santorum on the show and she is talking with working-class conservatives and a lot of them stayed home. 3-4 million depending on the numbers. what must be said and done to bring them back in 2016?
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>> it is true. consultants have learned if elections are negative, a lot of the good guys stay home. we don't want to believe involved. and that is why people of the tea party have backed off because they have been blamed for everything. we need active participation in the political process. and as far as i am concerned, god gave us this garden called america that we are stewards of and we cannot take a pass on being involved because the constitution says we the people are in charge of this place. if you stay home, you are just giving away your responsibility and we cannot do that. we have to invite good people back in and give them alternatives. good people see a genuine person and they don't like the choices
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they have in politics. but hopefully we can make the ideas so persuasive that it is going to attract more good people in the arena and if good people get in and they are supported, then they will stay and they will fight. but if they are not supports and all they hear is the criticism for not spending more for this or that group and that is mostly what you hear in washington is why didn't you support this big bill because there was something in it for me. we have to get the country in small groups and like it happened to ted cruz and happened to me, they were trying to marginalize be and every time i went around the country, people came up and said thanks for fighting and we are praying for you, what do i do?
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it kept me in the fight knowing i am on the right team. american has to do what mill ton freedom said: we have to create an environment in this country where even the wrong people do the right thing in office. we have not created that and that is a big part of what the book is about. >> i recall just having started by talk radio career. i was a couple years into it during the bank bailouts of '08 and there was a prominent republican who was running for office who was for it. i came out against it on the radio and was critical of this particular republican and i was summ summoned to dinner with him to get my head right about it. and i have on one more occasion been told by local and national
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politicians you are cute kid and that maybe it works for you in the talk radio, but we here in washington, d.c. know how the world works so scoot along. they think of you that way >> they think of many members that way, too. i opposed it, of course, and still believe it was the wrong thing to do. but that is the way you are treated for doing the right thing. and we have to change that culture in america and get enough people active and informed. >> they should be intimidated by us not patronizing us. >> and they are to a degree. that is why we stopped several un treaties republicans wanted to pass and some of the republicans wanted to pass the internet sales tax and we put pressure and they did some work on the farm bill which is really a food stamp bill and bottled up
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the bat senate immigration bill in the house because thank y you -- they know -- the attention of the base is focused on that. >> the term public servant isn't used commonly. when you say you work for me, we have gotten out of whack. when you look at an elected guy and say you work for me it is almost offense.
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this is a great question and i get called about this. why hasn't there been legit court challenges to the executi executive orders and end arounds in congress that have been going on? someone wants to see someone lawyer up and sue the presidency. >> the congress can't reverse anything as long as harry reid is in the senate and controlling it. we have to make more noise pause because the precedents that have
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been set undermine the country and are very dangerous. we have a good case and folks are saying it isn't a law because of the way it has been impleme implemented. we have to keep the fight on many fronts and folks are saying we need to compromise and give up but we never give up. >> common core -- i have never seen a third graders math problem look like something i did in algebra. i am not kidding. i cannot help my third grader with math. what common core has done to the way they teach math is insane. what is it for people that don't know?
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>> it is another example of the federal government putting a coversheet on something that is misled. there were ideas in florida that worked but when you fringe that to washington and say everybody is going to do it you kill what made it work and that is the competition between the states and invasion. once you do a one-size-fits-all everyone is teaching to the test like with no child left behind and the variation that creates the invasion begins to disappear. this was promised to be isra israel -- volunitary and people are saying what was on the cover page of this isn't what it is. that is like governors like mike pence took a deliberate process to study and looked up at it and
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they are backing out of it. i think you will see more and more states get out of another federal regime. we need competition and all over the country we see states looking at another state and they are copying and making it better and this competition is creating a new education model. common score kills that. >> what are the chances of a full repeal eric wants to know of obamacare? will it ever be undone. you are hearing the republicans saying we are worked with it and seeded they will never undo it all. >> it needs to be fully repealeded. it is build on the model of central control and what why need to do is go back to the ideas the democrats rejected ge fr years that give individuals
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the same tax treatment they get for companies. allow small businesses to come together and buy insurance cheaper. to allow americans to buy in any state or any product they want and allow hell savings accounts to be more robust. a high deductible of $5,000 and a health savings account but if i get sick i have trouble. that might not be the plan for everyone. but there is solutions that are there. it is a step by step approach and if we can stop the implementation of this bill. i would never again support anything that had a dollar in it for obamacare because this is going to hurt our country, it will hurt the poor, and our health care system and i think we should continue to fight for
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full repeal of obamacare. [ applause ]. >> i am told there are people that will drive to states like delaware to buy a flat screen television. we do these things all of the time. we will go find the best deal. cross the state line to buy something to avoid sales tax. we do that all of the time but we accepted the notion we cannot do that with our health insurance. we have to have washington solve it. you get it. how do we convince individual americans that they must sacrifice entitlements. paul ryan, grandma off the cliff, that guy is as sterling
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as they come and they aviserated the guy. >> people are entitled because they earned them. obamacare isn't an entitle nor is food stamps. they are essentiaessentially ch. we need to honor what we said to people. it doesn't jeopardize what i might get on my social security. it might guarantee i continue to get it. so this hysteria every time you try to change a program for the younger folks is ridiculous.
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what paul is suggesting is an employer plan where an employer pay for part and you pay a part. that is the same concept for medicare. when you get to retirement, medicare will pay part of your private policy so you can keep it and you pay the other part. it saves the government money and doesn't push grandmother over the cliff because it doesn't affect people on played care. it is giving younger people better choices. but we have to be bolder. when paul ryan introduced something like that and the party structure isn't there, they run for the hills. we need bold leadership who will not avoid these issues but to help develop them and dave camp and the house came out with a tax reform plan and we had problems with the fact he was introduced so people didn't see
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he had no idea. we need to promote that. >> we need to talk about children. and kelly, and now in college. we talked about a woman in the book whose child got a neighbor paid to get her son into school that succeeded and she's going around working with platoons to
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start charter schools to give other children the ideas she had. we need to talk about the people living in north dakota who have opportunities and jobs to succeed and save for the future. and while they don't need minimum wage because you can start at mcdonald at $15 an hour. and there are stories of how ideas are working but we need to tell the stories about real people and not argue political theory. the things that matter to me because i know they work is abiding by the constitution, and keeping taxes low and most americans don't know that is going to make their life better. so i don't have to explain the details of the product but talk about the benefits of using it and how it will make their life better. that is the challenge and the priority of heritage this year is to continue our integrity and
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connect that to real life terms. >> i am reading from philly.com on march 30th. you wrote i love visiting this city. the flood of history and the sheer number of people that worked to bring the nation into being and give it the best gov r governing document in the world. it gets me every time. well it does us and we are glad you were there to defend it in washington. jim demint. >> thank you folks. >> thank you.
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>> that was good. we would like to hear from you. tweet us your thoughts. >> john demos, professor of history at yale university is next on booktv. he recounts the recreation of a school by a group of protestants in the 19th century who wanted to educate students throughout the world namely native americans and pacific islanders and send them back to their communities as missionaries. this is about an hour and a half. >> thank you very much. i really appreciate the chance to talk to you tonight about this new

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