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respected then you cannot do a good job policing the safety of automobiles in this country. you have to be feared and respected in our bank nhtsa is theodore respected at this poi point. let's talk about the budget. it has been flat line for over a decade. keep in mind what has been going on a technology of this decade. keep in mind how automobiles have changed over the decades that yet the budget for nhtsa has been flatlined particularly in the area where you need to keep up with this technology. and once again this year the request is another $10.5 million. i need for you to talk about working on the budget and what the real needs are and mr. monje i would like you to speak to that also working with
dr. rosekind if confirmed to really for the first time in a decade look to see if we are taking this job seriously in light of the resources we are committing to it. >> senator mccaskill thank you for the question. it's all about transparency and those hearings have been critical for the american people to understand what's going on. ..
connect the dots when you are getting 75,000 complaints every year. you want those complaints. every voice should count. we we need to increase the people and technology. i think that that entire system needs to be considering how an upgrade will help us deal not just with those complaints but the other beta sources to determine where we are seeing feedback early. >> it is just the kinds of people. if you are not hiring the kinds of engineers that these automakers would want to hire away from you because of their incredible competence and capability, you can't regulate an
industry if you don't no the right kind of questions to ask. you don't no what you need to no if you don't have the same training and competence as the engineers you are going head-to-head with. let's talk about the inspector general's report. there were ten recommendations made. one of them has not been addressed. that is determining what i was just referencing, the appropriate mix between the workforce assessment. what should your workforce look like? they missed the may 2014 target, and he testified back in september that it would be done by mid-november. well, we have gone through mid-november. it is now december. it is critical we have this.
it is my understanding that contractors were hired to conduct the original workforce assessment but was dissatisfied with the findings and the spent the last month trying to revise it. i would like your commitment that we get the revised report but your commitment that we get that report that they are revising. i would like to see. if the government paid for this outside assessment that is now busy being revised. revised. i want to see what that original assessment says so that we can get a a sense of if in fact it was inaccurate it is important we have the ability to check that. >> absolutely. if confirmed, you can you can pretty much guarantee i will have the same level of not just review but as to what actions need to take place to change what is going on. >> thank you. senator blumenthal. >> thank you, madam chairman. thank you for your lead of
the consumer protection subcommittee. wouldn't you agree with me that the rejection by takata of a national recall is unacceptable and unconscionable? >> i have to be a little cautious talking about where i will go. my balanced perspective. on the other hand, i am i am a driver and passenger and pedestrian and can tell you that i not only agree but am concerned with the slowness across all of the recalls, timing, recalls, timing, responsiveness, and the information they have been forthcoming with. >> what will you do as administrator to enforce a national recall? >> if confirmed, i am going going to look to every one of the legal tools available to enforce regulation.
this came up in sen. mccaskill's question. as you know, their are, there are a lot of concerns about the authorities, fines, penalties. people are not are not worried that they won't act in a proactive way that has to be established. or is a a concern, of course, that sometimes the legal course takes time. i understand the ability to try and have companies take there own action. if that is not happening we need to be the enforcer. >> my impression is that it has been an agency adrift because of the lack of the aggressive kind of action that i believe ought to be taken and that you have supported at least implicitly in your response. and i would suggest that with respect to that
enforcement action that you can make a profoundly important first impression, and you only get to make the first impression once by taking that kind of aggressive no holes barred action to help eliminate the widely held perception that regulatory capture has taken hold and that this watchdog agency has become too cozy with the industry that it is supposed to oversee and scrutinize. when. when mr. friedman was here last i asked him about the potential action that can be taken to make sure their are sufficient air bags available to do the repairs necessary for the literally millions of cars, perhaps 15 million or more cars. and at the rate that the
takata witness at that.said that airbags would be available, about 300,000 months, it we will take years. so i asked whether he would commit that they use the power under the motor vehicle. to order to order car manufacturers to use replacement parts that other airbag manufacturers make, even if it means requiring takata to share proprietary information. >> thank you for that question. there their have been questions about the authority tools that are available. i i think the more important question is what you are highlighting.
>> and will you commit to using that power? there is no question in my mind that that power resides in the department of transportation to order effective steps that make available sufficient air bags in the interest of public safety. i i am asking that you do whatever is necessary to use that power then invoke the secretary's name and authority to require takata and the auto manufacturers to do the right thing. >> if confirmed, you can count on my commitment to use every possible legal mechanism as forceful as possible to the greatest extent to get these things enacted. this is all about public safety. we cannot be shy to get what needs to be done to help save lives and prevent injuries. >> would you agree with me
that a regional recall policy simply makes no sense in an era when drivers from different parts of our nation drafts and more humid or heated parts and where products have to be designed for a nationwide market? >> i appreciate that question. extremely data-driven. what you are raising our practical, normal, commonsense things. that sense things. that has been one of the challenges. you just don't have the data common sense and other kinds of decision making needs to come in so you're protecting lives and preventing injuries. >> i appreciate your forthright answers to my questions. thank you, madam chair.
>> senator markey is not here. >> thank you, madam chairwoman. i i want to thank you personally. we have worked together on our subcommittee and have had interesting hearings, to say the least. i want to thank the nominees that are here today and congratulate you. i also want to welcome the families, whether here or elsewhere watching today's hearing. they should be proud of this moment. like the like the others, i think my questions will be more toward you because of the subcommittee. obviously it is imperative. you agree with that. we all agree with that. you you are walking into an agency that has lost trust. we have this conversation.
thirty-eight now is loss of trust? >> part of my nomination is to come before you acknowledging the work that needs to be done. i appreciate that question. i understand the specific juncture and i think the challenge is a tremendous. i also view this as an opportunity. of these hearings and other opportunities have clearly identified directions that need to be examined, pursued, acted on. some of those opportunities will mean safer roads and vehicles for all of us. >> did you have a specific conversation about restoring credibility? >> not specifically. >> did you have a
conversation your detailed plan is? >> i appreciate the question. those kind of conversations have been more with the secretary. >> i want to change topic for a minute. we touched on this a little bit earlier. probably the most advanced cars in the country in the state of nevada. tesla announced. here is my concern. gm has even said publicly that they did not understand how their cars worked. takata, we had that discussion last week. now we have a new discussion about child safety seats. things are moving in all directions. here is my concern. if. if gm does not understand how their vehicles work, how do you come to the conclusion about how the vehicles work?
>> i appreciate that question because it gives me a chance to highlight how there is an ongoing technological challenge, to make sure your not just keeping pace but trying to stay ahead. third generation san francisco. i totally get this. and fact, the early question , nasa, ntsb is always a challenge to figure out how these agencies maintain highly trained technical individuals who can be doing our jobs with the different industries. so the challenge is identifying the people, keeping them, but most importantly what you just stated. the worst thing that happens is complacency where people are not continuing to learn and stay up to speed on what is going on. >> do you believe they have the right employees to do that? >> i appreciate that question. i i have not seen yet the specific layout. i think that is a question
that needs to be asked him and not only asked, but some of the evaluations of personnel, then needs to be one of the specific things that you look for. take a fresh knew set of eyes and a different approach and go after those questions. if if you find where improvements can be made, make them. >> resources is probably the most important question. i am concerned that you we will have the employees and expertise in your shop in order to stay ahead. the new technology coming down the road, how can you convince me that is your top priority. >> it's all about the technology. two technical organizations, if your technical expertise but things don't fly, things don't get investigated accurately. i have to admit, i am less about counting the numbers as to looking at
what you are talking about. >> in some of the subcommittee hearings, hearings, it has been difficult to connect the dots. that is why we are where we are today. congratulations to all of you and thank you. i yield back. >> senator thune. >> thank you, madam chair. it sounds like that is where most of the questions have gone. following the record number of recalls and the growing concern. the public seems to be losing confidence. i think it is fair to say 2014 has not been a good year. so i guess the question is a general one. what specific steps do you plan to take to restore the public trust? >> thank you for the question. they are not written down.
at the ntsb there are three things i would i would almost call principles and practices of the agency. that gives you a sense of my perspective and viewpoint. i will take the same critical eye used in the investigations, using independence, transparency, and accuracy and apply those. when you think about having a a critical eye, mine would probably be the most critical to look at every single area where things could change and the not hesitate to make those changes. i i believe that we need to drive safety forward. we have to acknowledge its successes. the lowest fatality since 1950. seatbelt seatbelt use is at a high. we have to balance that with the improvements that have been clearly identified. >> according to the new york times there is -- the obama administration is conducting a comprehensive review to determine if it has the dial set correctly.
the inquiry is being conducted by the department of transportation in addition to an internal investigation. are you familiar with the comprehensive review being conducted by the administration? if so, could you provide us with details of this review including when you might expect it to be concluded? >> i appreciate the question. i am familiar with it. i don't have don't have all of the details, but i will commit to not only reviewing but discussing. that is a perfect example of how much i am looking forward to working with you, staff, and this committee and identifying actions that need to be taken. >> you would make those findings available to congress? >> absolutely. >> terrific. some of your academic work focused on driver impairment. we have a state law law that provides
alternative methods of enforcement through a program known as 247 sobriety. as an example, rather than only using ignition airlocks they would use twice-daily breathalyzers and alcohol monitoring devices to enforce mandatory sobriety and to prevent repeat drunk driving incidents. different but comparable safety enhancements to dramatically reduced repeat offenses. would offenses. would you support recommendations for alternative programs provided the equivalent level of safety? >> thank you, sen. i appreciate that question because i have been keeping an eye on your state, state, as you know. that is a specific interest of mine. my background has spanned many different dates, i am sensitive to the differences in cultures in every state and the need to ensure that any type of recommendation is implemented in the state in a way that we will save
the most lives. as you as you mentioned, and south dakota you found a way that has been very effective and welcomed, it seems. so absolutely. i would do everything that i can to ensure that any recommendations, if confirmed, that are acted upon as an ntsb member, i would work closely with my chairman and the fellow board members to ensure that the state can utilize them in a way that is most helpful and that can save the most lives and prevent the most injuries and utilize innovative practices >> thank you. your work at the department of transportation, transportation, you worked on the authorized infrastructure grant program how can the program be more transparent and efficient so that the american taxpayer can have confidence? >> thank you. one you.
one of the most innovative programs at the department. very proud of the projects we have been able to fund. innovative projects that bring in additional funding that would not otherwise have been. they have been a number of steps we have taken to improve the transparency of the program, improving the documentation. documentation. those are things we need to continue to work on. i would like to see out of the tiger program moving forward, and increasing of that program as well as taking some of the lessons learned in bringing it to other programs. >> my time has expired. thank you. thank you all very much. >> thank you, madam chair. congratulations to each of you. very important positions positions in our society, especially in this
era. i no i know senator blumenthal touched upon this, but i just want to reinforce that takata is rejecting the call to make this a nationwide recall. i just want to say that it is entirely unacceptable that takata is refusing to accept this common sense resolution right now their are thousands of people from massachusetts driving down to florida. they won't come back until after the red sox league spring training. there are 1 million per year from the northern states that go down to florida. they are in automobiles that did not originate in human states. there there is a real danger, and we have to make sure that there is a complete compliance by takata with the request that
they, in fact, have a have a nationwide recall. i guess what i can say to you is that you must make takata recall all of these airbags. you must force the automobile companies to comply with a nationwide recall. there is no choice. the safety of the american people as a stake. takata is toying with the safety of the american people when they refuse to recognize this danger, and i just wanted to say that to you and hope that you understand how much we want this issue to be resolved. now, let me move on to a related issue. in 2,007 that's a asked for and received secret documents related to the death of two wisconsin teenagers.
that document was first made public by me at our may 7 hearing, and it is referenced repeatedly in the report, including a report by the wisconsin state patrol academy that said that the ignition switch defect prevented the airbag from the. it also found other examples of the same problems happening in other cars and identified at 2,005 gm warning. in short, it correctly identified the safety defect do you agree with me that gm ceo and others, if the public of been told about this secret document and warmed about its conclusion at the time it is possible that some of the deaths and injuries caused by this defect could have been avoided. >> thank you for that question. yes. what you are highlighting is the need for
greater transparency at many levels to understand where complaints are coming from, where defects are, etc. i am going to apply independence, transparency, and accuracy. you know what is going on. >> thank you. in october senator blumenthal and i sent a letter informing that so that the 2,009 death of an oklahoma teenager caused by an exploding airbag that was settled by honda and toccata in a secret court decision had never been reported by either? i have also learned that five other serious injuries were not reported to the early warning reporting database by honda. do you disagree that if the public knew about all of the deaths and serious injuries caused that the company's new, it is possible some of the later deaths and injuries could have been avoided.
>> i appreciate that question. again, it, it is about transparency. what you are highlighting is a number of areas that need to be examined to see where transparency could be increased. >> a a lawsuit over the 2,009 oklahoma death that honda and takata both failed to report was settled secretly in 2,009. do you disagree that if the public knew that the oklahoma death, knew that honda and takata had been sued about this death, it is possible some of the later deaths and injuries could have been avoided. >> what you are highlighting his transparency. the more the public knows where the defects and problems are the more they get to make their personal choice. >> sen. blumenthal and i have authored legislation to require more information to be publicly available, including documents like the ones that were kept secret by gm, honda, and toccata.
gm and we have reached substantial agreement on a slightly modified version of that legislation. would you would you confirmed to work with me on this legislation and increase transparency and public disclosure by automakers? >> absolutely. i look forward to working with you, the community command your staff. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. congratulations on your nomination. my state has had a lot of interaction with all of your agencies. secretary fox made it his second visit. that disaster and how we were able to build a knew bridge within a year, but we lost 13 13 people. it was a tragedy and certainly shirk our citizens up about the status of our transportation infrastructure and the need for safety. i thank i thank you for taking on these important
roles. i have been amusing myself by watching your son behind you. i can't figure out if he is doing homework or taking notes. >> i think you would like to be a senator. >> he looked a little critical. she took a harry potter -- she took a a harry potter book and put it in front of her face. i wanted to ask you specifically about rail derailments. i no that that ntsb has a unique perspective on safety,, and we have had some derailments in our state. where do you think we should be focusing our attention and resources? what do you think we need to do differently in the rail area to avoid these crashes? >> thank you, sen., for that for that question and
forgiving some attention to my son as well. rail obviously is important to the health of our country it is also a personal priority for me. as i understand it, the ntsb has quite a few recommendations related to rail safety. everything from related long-standing recommendations to train control and other areas. i think that if confirmed what i would make a priority is to work with the excellent staff of the ntsb as well as with the chair and other members of ntsb to ensure that those long-standing and important recommendations are implemented as quickly as possible. >> all three of you, as you
go forward i hope you we will continue to focus on distracted driving. this was a major focus. some problems with the grant program. we have a bipartisan bill to fix them. the the only state last year that got the grant was connecticut. we love connecticut, but i think that that we can maybe make the grant program better and more accessible to other states as we look at trying to push states gradually to change there law. it is a major problem. i wanted to shift to the last issue, the issue of takata and the airbag and make sure that you are aware about what happened in minnesota. i spent a few hours in a family's home over thanksgiving. a woman a woman from north oaks minnesota was simply a passenger in a 2,002 bmw crash.
traveling about 30 miles an hour near their house. someone ran into them deploying the takata airbag which left her permanently blind. the airbag somehow had too much for senate, and it ruptured both the veins leading into her eyes, and she cannot see. she has been to mayo clinic for multiple surgeries, businesswoman who who ran an indian restaurant in our state that is pretty well known. the kids have completely changed their lives to take care of her. i want to start with that question there. you talked a lot about the recalls and what concrete changes you think you should implement. you should know, they sent a complaint. and in may 2013 or in march of 2013 the accident
happens. they submit the letter about the case, and they really did not here back. if you could comment on that , the complaint process. >> thank you for that question, and thank you. this committee and your hearings and your statement just their, you have to put names and faces to these things. we keep talking about saving lives. these are these are all people. thank you very much for doing that. what you have highlighted is the one of my first immediate focus will be the defect recall system. a lot of focus on the investigation, but we have gone from 45,000 complaints to 75,000 complaints. with only nine people looking at those, those, we're not even talking about connecting the dots. the overload of having that many complaints. i also think every voice counts. we have we have to look at
the systems of data available to be analyzed. another thing is, need need to be looking at other systems that are available, public health, a lot of different systems looking for defects in high reliability kind of organizations. if confirmed, i would would go in to see how those systems can be applied. >> you might want to look at the university of minnesota. an award-winning way that they look at it. two or three times they have been able to identify and the national -- they do it very quickly with old-fashioned detective work, calling the immediate places. it is a completely different problem, but clearly clearly you have disparate information coming in from so many places you find it hard to identify more quickly what the problem is. i am also supportive of this nationwide recall. i heard the senators say a
million people go down to florida. when you add in arizona, probably half of them are from my state. we are aware of the issue and the fact that these vehicles are traveling up and down. we had the hearing last weekend. we were able to see the tragedies that occurred in some other states. we ask you to continue to push on that issue as well. thank you. >> senator. >> thank you, madam chair. thanks for holding this hearing. i wanted to start with you. what do we need to do to ensure 100 percent repair recalls? >> thank you for that question. one of my first, immediate focus is will be understanding the whole defect recall process, and i
appreciate you raising that. the recall, none of it matters if it does not get fixed. if there are not enough parts and it is not done in a timely manner, every time a person is in the car they are at risk. as part of my first look to understand that all system from the identification side to the final fix. >> do you support 100% recall? >> i'm sorry, 100% recall -- >> do you support getting to a 100 percent recall? do you support that same process? >> great. thank you for that question. i don't think this is one of those common sense kind of issues. i'm not sure there is another number to be targeted except 100%. >> 100 percent. >> that is good to here you say. when we had some of these
individuals before our committee has short time ago most of them blamed the fact that they were not going to pursue 100 percent recall to the fact that it was not required by the federal government. i'm sure it is also because they believe that they are operating within the legal framework that they have to operate in. if we can get to 100 percent which is what we are asking for, i think the american people we will be safer. is that right? thank you. i obviously care care a lot about what the department of transportation has been doing. that will be something that is in your review. i wanted to ask you about some of the recommendations and implementing those recommendations and whether you are fully committed to implementing the recommendations of the task force that was created by secretary lahood. >> thank you. if it were not for you the
freight advisory community would not be. >> i like to say washington. i ultimately take that title >> yes, ma'am. yes, ma'am. as i mentioned in my opening statement, freight is the lifeblood of our economy. i had the opportunity to visit memphis. the factories that are built all around the airport just because of their ability to bring goods in and out, the national freight advisory community had 81 recommendations. a lot of those we can act upon within existing authority, involving thinking about freight multimodal he. we take that attack. some of the other things they have recommended is figuring out where data gaps are. in our conditions and performance report, report,
you will see an emphasis on where data gaps are. they have addressed the workforce issues. we have a a partnership that we have been working with the department of education and the department of labor to figure out what the workforce needs are and how we can address them. there are a lot of things we cannot do within existing authorities, and that is why they grow america act proposes a $10 billion freight program to find where those national chokepoints are. >> i certainly support this as an economic development strategy for our country. there is a huge growing middle class that wants our product. if if we cannot get them their they we will look to other markets. making sure orders are expediting product is important. you do believe. this is what you can do internally, streamlining the multimodal
improvement process. >> we are we're doing everything we can to try to find those last mile and intermodal solutions. it is one of the things that tiger program really has focused on. we propose that $10 billion program within grow america. >> do you support identifying corridors, not just projects? >> yes, ma'am. >> i already no you support a a dedicated funding source to these projects, right? >> yes, ma'am. >> thank you very much. we are waiting for another senator to arrive. you can have a second round, and i will we will take another second round of kelly is not here yet. >> thank you. thank you, mdm. chairman. we have we have focused on the need for a national recall. i don't know of any scientific evidence for a a
regional recall with respect to airbags. do you? >> i appreciate that question because it highlights trying to be evidence -based and driving, and i think that is an excellent question. frankly, it is helping my understanding. >> but with all your knowledge, and you are a distinguished scientist, you don't no of any evidence to justify a regional recall? >> no. >> do you no of any evidence that would justify a recall a recall focused at the driver side but not the passenger side? >> this is an area i am less familiar with. i think my general response would be, again, to the bottom line, it is the traveling public and keeping them safe. that means that means going for as broad a safety net is possible so that your
evidence has to be that it is okay to decrease the safety net, not the other way. >> the burden would be on anyone's saying that we should limit it to the driver-side airbag. >> yes. >> and that burden has not been satisfied so far, has it? >> to my understanding. but, again, i am only the nominee. >> let me turn to another piece of legislation. you know, at the end of the day, sen. mccaskill senator mccaskill is absolutely right about the resource challenges that this agency faces. but even an agency fully and abundantly resourced will be an effective if it lacks teeth, if the penalties are ineffective. right now the $35 million on penalties for nondisclosure, inadequate disclosure is absolutely a mockery of justice, wouldn't justice,
wouldn't you agree? >> i appreciate that question. in the aviation industry the ntsb just released its report about the dream liner 787 battery. battery. when there was a problem the faa grounded worldwide, the entire fleet, until something was fixed. we are stopping everything and honoring safety. >> the same culture that this agency has to adopt, is that correct? >> that is why i am bringing it up. the questions about incentives versus punishment , the safety has to be proactive. being safe is really not just the safe thing to do, but the business and economic thing that needs to be done as well. >> on the economic aspect of these decisions, the only., if not the major point, that most of this industry is going to understand is
ineffective, strong penalties. would you support legislation that i have introduced along with senator markey and nelson to completely eliminate the on penalties for nondisclosure? >> the sec. and deputy administrator have come out and said right now it is pocket change. there is no question that needs to go up. if confirmed i would be pleased to work with you and see however we could support increasing penalties. >> another proposal is to put the burden on any party seeking a secret settlement, seeking secrecy and ceiling of a settlement involving safety that could endanger the public. would you support the bill that i have introduced along with senator lindsey graham, a bipartisan measure that would in effect require a judge to make a finding that it is in the public interest
to steal any settlement involving defective parts or products? >> i appreciate that question because it gives to the transparency issue. the kind of data that is not available to the american public. if confirmed, i, i would be very willing and pleased to work with you to review and make any measure as strong as possible. >> i want to conclude on an area where you are one of the nations experts, fatigue management and sleep apnea, the federal railway administration still has not issued regulations recommended by the ntsb or other agencies regarding developing, requiring a fleet management plan. wouldn't you think that the fra has an immediate and urgent obligation to issue such rules? >> i will switch hats quickly.
the saddest thing for a ntsb board member is to show up at a scene in an accident and realize that their are lives lost. there are already recommendations that could have saved lives. all those people out there right now on the railroads with apnea you are not being identified, diagnosed, or treated. >> because of a lack of regulations. >> correct. >> regulations could have avoided very likely for deaths that occurred one year ago this week last week >> and in the ntsb report on that accident we specifically identified that criteria used to identify people with apnea, that engineer would either have been not on the job or treated for sleep apnea. >> thank you. thank you, armchair. >> thank you. >> i want to thank the chair i appreciate all of you being here.
i want to ask about the ignition switch recall. in fact, previously come in coming before our committee was deputy administrator david friedman. i have also asked the head of gm legal department about this issue. there was an article in the new york times which described the course of action during the ignition switch situation in which numerous occasions gm told the agency that they were not going to answer questions about accidents involving potentially the ignition switch because it was either attorney-client privilege or they lacked insufficient information. it seems to me in those circumstances that as the
obviously has been vacant for too long appreciative of your willingness to do that. when you receive that answer, your agency when you are confirmed i hope that nhtsa will follow up and just say to those that are being regulated we are not going to accept that for an answer. we are and also not going to accept that there is insufficient information. you have her responsibility to provide us the regulator with that information. so i appreciate your taking an aggressive stance on that issue. i also wanted to follow up, as you look back at the situation on the recall of gm and the ignition switch there were, there did appear to be numerous opportunities to putting aside
what i think were numerous opportunities and some outrageous behavior on gm's part that we have had hearings on here. at this i think that they were many failings as well. what are the lessons you take from out? >> i appreciate that question because it gets us to two really important things. the thing that most people characterize is connecting the dots so part of this gets to what the data sources are that are available including when people are giving you sufficient information so again one of my amedi concerns is taking a look at the defect recall system fully to understand how to identify as well as a full recall process. just knowing that we have gone to 75,000 complaints in their there are nine people looking at it you need to understand not just with personnel but the technology to search the database to get your answers. the second thing i think that's really important you have just
highlighted is we have learned people were holding intentionally for a long time information. that's a game-changer. that's a new scenario. an agency is looking for certain patterns but i am not sure this scenario where someone is withholding is from the overtime today think that's another piece that has to be integrated basically into that detection system understanding that can happen. >> one thing we recently of course had hearings on the takata airbag recall issue too and i know my colleagues have asked you some important questions about that recall. let me share the concerns about the nature of the recall. as someone who represents a northern state i printed constituents who take their cars and drive down to more humid climates in the winter. i appreciate that you are very concerned about that and will follow up on that issue as well. the plans i think what i would like to see is as you get
confirmed for this position to come back within several months to this committee and let us know what changes you feel have been made or need to continue to be made to the oversight process of the agency and the recall process so that looking back on these really tragic situations that we are doing everything we can working with you to rectify those going forward and to give you the support you need to do that. >> i'm actually very much looking forward to working with this committee. i think again you have played a critical role in giving this information to the american people and i hope to build come back to if confirmed and tell you now what we have learned but also what we are doing. >> appreciated. thank you. >> thank you senator ayotte.
i have one remaining question that i wanted to get on the record and then i'm going to turn it over to senator cantwell has another question and obviously senator nelson has arrived. i will leave the committee to his leadership and if i have a commitment i cannot avoid at 2:00. but i wanted to talk a little bit about crude moving by rail. while senator cantwell kansas city and st. louis are the second and third largest freight hubs in the country and obviously we are very aware of the increase in the movement of crude by rail across our country. it is in fact one of the reasons i support the pipeline access i think that product is going to move. we are not going to stop it from coming out of the ground. the question is how do we move
it in a way that is the most safe from the environment and the people of this country. i think the pipeline is the safest way to move it, not rail. having said that rail is now obviously very busy moving crude and i have heard from local first responders both in kansas city and st. louis, while we had some crude by rail accidents they have primarily been in more rural locations. obviously if that were to occur in a major metropolitan area like kansas city or st. louis we would have a much more significant problem to deal with. the first responders are concerned that they are not getting enough information about what is the right response, what is the best response. they fear they are not trained and as knowledgeable as they need to be on this issue. so i wanted to ask you first
mr. monahan what can you do, what can the department of transportation do to ensure that the first responders and these major metropolitan areas have every bit of information they need in terms of their ability to respond to god forbid that we would have a crude oil spill by rail accident in a major metropolitan area? >> area? >> thank you very much chairman for that question. we agree with you that this is something we didn't anticipate, the growth of crude by rail over the last few years. but we have moving extremely quickly as a department to address the safety issues over two dozen activities with the industry to increase the transparency to better communicate with their first responders to reduce speeds and be thoughtful about routes and
the department is in the process of finalizing a crude by rail bill regulation that will do a lot of things that you are discussing. you are right the first responders are the folks that need the training. they need to understand what is being transferred and they need to ensure, to understand that the tanks that are bringing these materials are safe which is why the department is taking such a big step to get the rules right. >> i will follow up and hopefully i will follow up but really what they are asking for which is very reasonable it won't require regulation or period of comment or all the controversy that goes with tho those. it requires than getting best practices on what is the best tactic and method to respond to an accident like this if it were to occur taking into account that the challenge they have been a metropolitan area are
much different than aaron burr areas. let me finish by saying we are going to try to expedite the confirmation process and so i am requesting the members of the committee submit any qfr questions for the record by noon tomorrow. if the staff is here for the republican senators if you would make sure all the staff understand that the qfr's need to be in by noon tomorrow and the nominees must provide responses to the qfr's by noon on monday in order for us to have an opportunity. i don't know that we can have an opportunity for confirmation before the end of the year. i would have to occur in that i will now turn the gavel over to mike colleague senator nelson. >> senator cantwell.
>> mr. rosekind i wanted to ask you do you believe the role for a cargo pilot that was basically carved out should be reversed? >> i'm going to change my hat again that appreciate that question senator. i want this on record there's no physiological difference between cargo and pallets and passengers. there's no distinction. >> so you think it should be reversed? >> they should all be covered by the same rules. >> thank you very much in thank you mr. chairman. >> senator blumenthal. >> i have have asked to separate question so i will yield to use center and in the time remaining i would be happy to follow up. >> dr. rosekind first of all i'm absolutely delighted that you have been named for the position which has been vacant since i believe january of this year.
that's about 11 and a half months. the organization also with an acting administrator as needed leadership at a time and before i arrived you have had some discussion of the takata airba airbags. one of the things as we board in on takata and on honda was whether or not, since there doesn't appear to be enough replacement parts, honda would in fact provide a loaner or a rental car given the fact that people are driving around with a live grenade in their steering
column. the honda representative, the vice president of honda and u.s. said yes they would and yet, i have yet to have evidence that in fact that is the case. so, what would you like to do about it as chairman? >> thank you for the question and i think there has been some discussion that gives me a chance to elaborate and reinforce. in fact i will just highlight. i have i will just highlight, i don't talk often about my father but i come from a law enforcement family and there are laws you have got to follow. the second part you are talking about, don't have to go to recall, then you need to do it. what i can do is commit that if
confirmed by will go and find every tool, legal and otherwise, to get that job done. we talked about this earlier. there has been a lot of focus on affect. if we don't get the recall 100% fully done people are still at risk. i don't think it is my job to come up with all the solutions especially right now but there has to be a 100% solution to make sure those people i safe. >> there has been some discussion about an immediate fine on a per day basis and i would suggest to you being on an approved vehicle basis, if they are not replacing but vehicles and people are at risk for being maimed or killed, there needs to be a very stiff financial penalties so that the penalty
becomes so severe to the company that it behooves them in fact to provide loners or rental cars so people do not have to drive around in these loaded vehicles or in the alternative where they try to disable the air bag in their existing vehicle. the new york times came out with a story that said after the fact, after is this committee had had a hearing, that indeed they admitted that they had never said publicly and released the information that an additional 1700 people had been
harmed by exploding airbags nt in one case, one person was killed. this seems to me the height of irresponsibility. that in the midst of us having them all there at that table and there is still not information. what do you intend to do about that as chairman? >> thank you. it gives me an opportunity to highlight two things. one is transparency is critical, not getting information and making it available not just to nhtsa and others so the public and make decisions about what is safe for them. the other is i believe when nhtsa asks for information it needs to be provided. every tool needs to be used to obtain that information. >> i use sufficiently briefed on
the law with regard to nhtsa, what is imposed on an auto manufacturer that specifically hides information from federal regulators? >> i appreciate that question because i have been briefed on some of those things. i have tried to emphasize that i know who the chief counsel is and who is in charge of the enforcement and i know who to call to get that information and willing to commit to use every one of those and whenever enforcement action is needed. i am all of about the action card. it is give me the tool to get the job done and it is all about keeping all of us safer. >> i want to commit to you that at least some of us on this committee are going to be rather vigorous in our oversight function to make sure the executive branch, once you are
confirmed or following through, this egregious breach of the public's safety, by the way this thing has been drugged out, and these slated hands and not revealing information, it has reached the limit of this senator's patience. as i have visited with families whose relatives is dead, or in one case a fire fighter that has no right eye anymore. and we will use to the full extent of our capability the opportunity to of receive that in fact you as the chairman and your regulatory agency are doing your job. i hope that is clear. >> absolutely.
i appreciate the statement, the opportunity to tell you i am looking forward to working with you on that oversight and pursuing budget and other kinds of the 40's that dennis the job done. >> i will turn the committee over to senator. and fall --blumenthal. >> i have a couple quick questions and i appreciate your patience and diligence in skating and i want to express my appreciation to each of you for your willingness to serve in these critical positions. the recommendation of the national transportation safety board was for there to be a fatigued management plan made a matter of rules by the federal
railway administration, more than 60 by my count, 64 separate rulemaking procedures that have not been concluded, vitale affecting the safety of passengers as well as freight on our nation's rail. what can be done to compel the federal railway administration to obey the law. there may be observations by present membership, the ntsb to answer that question and if you have thought about it. >> as a safety professional, to ensure the safety recommendations are implemented as soon as possible. as you might have heard what i
mentioned before if i were to be in honor of being confirmed i will do everything in my power to work to make sure the recommendation that taken seriously and implemented. i think the ntsb has a long and good history of working with government agencies as well as with industry and this committee as well and if i were to be confirmed by would use every manner available to me as a member to push for the adoption of that life-saving recommendation and all the other ones that are related to rail. and other modes. >> any other responses? >> thank you, senator. i haven't worked on that particular rule but safety is
everyone's primary responsibility at the department and from my vantage point, the relationship with the ntsb is a partnership with safety and often the recommendations, is an iterative process to get to a solution. and the solutions lie in rulemaking this. and the privilege of being confirmed, to work with you and these two anomalies to make it as good as possible. >> i don't know, and i am happy to let you off the hook on this one. really carrying a substantial burden during this hearing but if you have a response i will welcome it. >> i will say 80% of ntsb
recommendations are done in an acceptable manner but i think you because it is the other 20% we should be worried about and that is what you are highlighting. those are the ones that are continuing to cost lives and create injuries. >> costing lives in treating injuries is exactly what the failure to issue those regulations can do and we saw it with injuries in connecticut when it was a derailment there. many of these recommendations are invisible war unknown to the public, but failure to issue them can have real life consequences, literally like ford debt consequences, certainly injury and dollar consequences so i want to thank each of you and secretary fox for your commitment on this issue of safety. i want to ask one last question although it is outside your
jurisdiction. the ignition switch defect has been raised and we are fast approaching the december 31st deadline. under the compensation fund which has a deadline of march of next year for acceptance by victims or their families of any compensation fund decision. these decisions must therefore be made before the bankruptcy court may decide what their rights are. in overcoming the shield gm has invoked. in the bankruptcy court procedures and before the department of justice finishes its criminal investigation that might enlighten decisions made as to whether to accept
compensation fund decisions. one microcosm of potential injustice that could be done by these deadlines is illustrated by the april family of washington, connecticut. who were not notified. completely uninformed by gm of their potential eligibility for the fund had it not been for a new york times reporter who dug into deaths resulting from the ignition defect, they still would be in the dark. they have been informed now and their plight illustrates the need to extend the december 31st deadline and the march deadline. i know you have no direct jurisdiction or power over the compensation fund but my hope is that the department of transportation and your agencies
in particular may join in calling for an extension of those deadlines in the interest of simple justice and humanity, you may not have the legal authority to compel it but you have the moral authority to ask for it publicly and i believe that there is a responsibility to exercise that moral authority. if you have any comment on my suggestion or please to you, i would welcome it. it may not be a question you anticipated but i respect and invite you to comment. >> thank you, and i haven't followed this very closely but i do understand that you have been tracking the tragedy and i feel like they are lucky to have somebody like you fighting for
them and the role of nhtsa is to force gm to get the best cars on the road to address these crazies and get better at identifying the recalls before they cause this kind of tragedy. >> thank you very much. with that i am going to close the hearing. i don't have a gavel in front of me but we are over and thank you again and thank you to your families for their service in supporting you. i anticipate, thank you. [inaudible conversations]
[inaudible conversations] >> in some professional sports leagues, when games don't sellout the games are not broadcast in local team markets. the senate judiciary committee examines the sporting event like outs and antitrust exemptions at 10:15 a.m. eastern on c-span3. >> this season in cities partake booktv and american history tv on the road travelling to u.s. cities to learn about their history and literary life. this weekend we partner with time warner cable for a visit to waco, texas. >> as we receive files to be digitized, to be saved, we turn over other sides of the 45s we received. gospel music was not widely heard in the white community. it would only be the hits if that.
the flip side would be heard even less. what we discovered quickly was how many of eat besides were directly related to the civil rights movement. there were very few databases, none of them complete, of gospel music. the sheer number of songs that had songs like them, there is no segregation in heaven, those songs, at a time when one of those songs was a very dangerous thing in the deep south. you could do a lot of things in the deep south the thing that site of song out loud was a risk. >> texas ranger hall of fame was set up in 1976 for 175st anniversary of the rangers and daughters at this .30 rangers who made contributions to the service or gave their lives under heroic circumstances. we have paintings or portraits of all those rangers.
they begin with stephen austin who was very successful with his rangers. they fought not only managed to make the area reasonably safe for settlement from indian raids, but texas war for independence broke out, the rangers played a major role in texas, gaining its independence, by saving off the mexican army long enough to allow the colonists to build their own army and develop a strategy but as a result texas became its independent nation, the republic of texas for ten years. >> watch all of our events from waco saturday at noon eastern on c-span2's booktv and sunday afternoon at 2:00 on american history tv on c-span3. >> next defense department briefing updating the military's response to the ebola outbreak in west africa. we hear from general david rodriguez, commander of the u.s. africa command. is 25 minutes.
>> good afternoon. i have an opportunity to talk to you again on how u.s. africa command is supporting the ebola response in west africa. the president has made clear that containing the spread of ebola is a national security priority and we made significant progress towards this end as part of a comprehensive u.s. government effort led by the u.s. agency for international development. the mission is not complete and we cannot afford to be complacent. it is too early to declare success, we made encouraging advances reducing the spread of ebola. we think the biggest drivers of this process have been the liberian leadership in educating the public as well as health workers, safe procedures, rapid contact tracing the increased capacity to diagnose quickly. from the u.s. military perspective we have deployed to provide military support in areas like communication and coordination, in cheering,
logistic and training. engineers are supporting the liberians as the bill improved infrastructure necessary for the response efforts and we have made transportation professionals and logistics professionals managing the movement of personnel in the delivery of humanitarian supplies. military medical personnel are supporting the training of medical support staff for the ebola treatment unit and the commanders of paramilitary forces are assisting in ebola response currently major-general gary boleski insured insurance members were taken care of before and after deploying to support this mission. we continue to do everything in our power to mitigate potential risks to our service members, contractors and their families. in the end era equipment training procedures and most of all be issued and discipline of our personnel help to ensure our team accomplished as mentioned and keep their nation and, citizens safe. i am proud the extraordinary men and women supporting this important mission, i think you and look forward to your
questions. >> do you in dissipate mounting similar operations in other countries? >> right now, u.s. -- usaid does not think we have to do that but they will monitor this closely. as you know sierra leone and kenya are hard hit and there is another uptick in molly so we are continuing to prepare to do those things but as of yet not required. >> what about those countries that would not require u.s. military assistance? >> it depends on the international community's effort to do the things that are required. much of it where we provide unique capabilities in the communications and coordination and logistic support. and the things we are doing in liberia. in liberia by the end of the ural of that will get picked up
by the civilian agencies so we have to monitor that situation. usaid has disaster assistance response teams in each of those countries. as of today they have not requested that support. >> how have you adjust your mission in liberia given the fact that rates are coming down, will you not be building as many hospitals? how does it change what lessons learned if you had to do this again in sierra leone, what would you do differently and do you think u.s. personnel still need to be quarantined? >> we look forward to doing something in another country and like sierra leone, those four things are what the international community believes are the things that make a difference between the our reach to the people and education and training of the people and the health care workers as well as the last so those are the things that are most important and of
course the challenge to find and understand where there is on hot spot and move the resources quickly will be part of that solution. for our people, we are still collecting data. we have several people go through the 21 day control monitoring and we will continue to watch that for the next 30 days and take a look at that again to see if we have to continue to do that. >> when you were here two months ago you indicated that you saw the mission going about a year. >> somewhere around there. >> that he revised that or are you on track to wrapping this up? >> we could do less than that but the challenges, you have to watch it very carefully and things, either complacency or things that are not foreseen which created the challenges could come up again, but right
now it is a less, it depends on the situation and what is asked of us to do outside liberia. >> 30 days a review of the clinching policy. >> that was the original plan, to take a look at that, if 45 days into it to see how we are doing. >> tell me what some of the criteria will be and what should be retained, modified or dropped. >> it is based on the services and what they are able to do. we had some of them go through mainly in europe. we have the first ones in the united states through the process. it will be about confidence and insuring that the people who have had minimum risk or no risk to the disease that they can do it without that. >> to follow up, no exposure, no one has brought it back, that
would be a reason to perhaps -- >> make a recommendation to say yes. >> you said a second ago the time light might shrink a little bit depending on breaks for the operation going forward. give us a sense of scale of the people involved. how many troops are there today and where could you get to that potential peak down the line? >> there are about 2900 folks today that will probably be the peak and the majority of the big engineering and logistical things in liberia will probably start to tail off and the end of the year, january. that is when we will start to send those people home. most of that is the logistics in engineering at. and we will send them to another
place that is required or we will start replaying. yes, sir? >> last month, probably go to 3,000 or thereabouts by the middle of this month but you are saying now 2900. >> 2900. he said about 3,000. it is about 2900 and that is the maximum that we foresee right now. >> do you still foresee going through 17 unit treatment centers? >> no. they are asking for less. as we have come in and done this, we have adopted sizes so many of them are now only 50 instead of a hundred and we're down to building can units instead of 17 right now. and 17. the decision that usaid for the international community based on the variable to do. the intent to get in there and
jump start things is living in the right direction. the world food program will set up a lot of logistics by the end of the year and some of the other international means. >> in syria now. >> it is a different place from syria. they are doing all right. they have a significant logistic supply and contract incapacity to pick up the logistics. >> 100 or 50? >> the first three were a hundred and next seven the last several will be 50. >> i would like to take this up on a different topic which is libya. give an assessment of what is going on in a battle, and how this area particularly libya and what kind of grip of isis.
>> the challenge in libya is the multiple militias, multiple governments between the national convention as well as the house of representatives and quite frankly confusion on the ground about who is in charge. the effort of her affair by the former general who has been fighting -- continues to go back and forth. it is about who controls the airport or the check points. that continues to go back and forth, continues to control the airport out there. isis has begun efforts to introduce some people over is there and continue to monitor and watch whether it grows.
>> benghazi, of course, one of the things we heard is isis is moving to western libya. is that something you are seeing? >> we will continue to watch that. the intelligence community has mixed reports on that but we will continue to watch that most of it is over the east. >> a couple of things. libya. in the east. what is your assessment of what kind of isis fighters you are seeing in the east. do they have at network? are you seeing command-and-control? >> it is mainly about people coming for training and logistic support right now, training sites and that is what we see right now. as far as a huge command-and-control network i have not seen that yet. >> you are seeing isis training sites in eastern libya.
>> the numbers are somewhere around a couple hundred is the estimate but we don't have a specific precise assessment of that right now. >> as long as you are here, what you are seeing going on. we see a lot of violence in the last several days, what do you think is going on with them? elson bob as well, we are -- where they're getting their support with isis connections to either of those, new peak connections, can you walk us through? >> al shabaab efforts have continued to be the same as the east from that direction. they have continued to evolve their tactics and techniques and procedures and improvised explosive devices and the numbers are down and the amount
of attacks and casualties and struck out in contributing countries and the kenyan effort of the mall that continued to make attempts. and that continues to be the way they are trying to respond to their losing of ground to the amazon efforts. and boca raton continues to be a horrible attacks on the population in northeastern nigeria, and we are working with both nigerians and surrounding countries of chad, cameron and others to help prevent that from continuing to go outside
there's not a lot of the proceeding or those girls are. there is just a couple of suspected areas, and it's pretty tough to get a good, solid fix on where they are because they have been dispersed. they are in some rugged terrain and we've just been able to get a couple of -- >> what specific assets are still being used? >> we have both natural assets and also some and and unmanned assets. >> following up on libya. does the u.s. have military personnel operating in libbey right now? >> no, we do not. >> are you still continue to approach -- benghazi attacker? >> yes. >> without u.s. military? >> right. without u.s. people on the ground, yes.
>> liberia, ma been gaza, two years after the attack on the u.s. consulate assist becomes still a major issue with the right wing and the obama haters that the conspiracy theorist about why we didn't rescue. two years later what assets do you have at your disposal right now, if something like that happened again, what do you have available? >> we have fast teams from the marines. we have commanders emergency response forces from the special forces. we have a crisis response that is up. with the east african response force in djibouti. we also have forced sharing agreements with european command to be able to be much more responsive and quicker, and then we think we have developed an improved way to execute the indications and warnings with
her interagency partners to ensure we can move and reposition closer. we have done that three times, based on indications of warning and, of course, reinforcement of embassies both by diplomatic security and marine security guards has happened throughout the region. we've done that in libya. we've done that in tunisia. we've done it in central africa republic, and, of course, in sudan. between a time and now. >> have you taken the actual incident, in terms of how you do it to fully? >> yes. in coordination with the state department, intel community and diplomatic security, yes. >> in october the army is trying to set up a communications infrastructure so you have a single operating picture of this desolate nation. your cio at the a uso conference talk at sending his teams in there. as non-technical as you can
what's the state of the conditions there so you have an operating picture that allows you to move fast to parse location? >> it's a very much improved. we deployed some teams from the joint communications support element initially and then followed them up with communications open from the army. they have a very good network in theithere to the satellite indications that were. >> after the army's involvement -- >> it will stay in place as long as usaid needs us to support those efforts. we need for some point in time. >> i'd like to go back to something you said earlier to jennifer about your investigation into the benghazi attack -- >> it wasn't our investigation but yes. >> for those who perpetuated the attack. wonder if you could offer how is your able to go after them given that nobody really controls
eastern libya where the preponderance of that happened were. there's a tit-for-tat battle going on. the libyan government has no mechanism in place to go after those attackers address them and you don't have anybody, troops on the ground to how are you able to go after them? if you are going after them, it's a relatively small community but it seems after two years there would be a capability to find and identify and bring those to justice. i'm just having a hard time understanding -- >> don't you know we have brought one back, and we continue to conduct intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance in conjunction with the entire interagency and many international partners to continue to build the intelligence part to bring those people to justice. justice. >> i didn't ask it very well but even with the isr, is the challenge actually physically getting somebody, suspect in getting them out of libya such a that -- >> it's hard to find them in a
place that we would be able to do a mission, yes. >> general, i want to clarify, use it might be the overall duration of the mission may turn out to be less than you. are you saying maybe this summer the military mission in liberia may wrap up the? >> this coming summer you mean, yes. but again we are in a good position now, the trend lines are all moving in the right direction, and if it continues as well as the international community's ability to pick up many missions and the liberian, you become health system as it continues to rebuild itself, y yes. >> so basically over the past two but we're looking at fewer troops initially discussed, which is 4000 -- >> we are up to 4000 come and again as we move in there now, you've got to understand the situational understanding everybody had was not nearly as clear as it is now. everyday we get a better. the whole international community effort to gain the situational understanding.
so as you know we originally said somewhere around 3000, could be up to 4000. it ended up being as i mentioned 2900, and we will continue to watch that carefully as usaid tries to manage the effort across the entire region. >> as the situational understanding has grown that this has proven to be a more manageable, less risky mission than you initially thought a few months ago? >> no, i don't think so. it's really about the speed with which the international community could pick the things up that they were able to do. and what we were doing is really getting in there to help with the unique capabilities with the speed and the ability to build stuff in places that are not being easy to get at, you know, easily accessible areas, and then to get the logistics support out there to sustain the effort, okay? and the same with the train.
when we go into conducting the training, the training was conducted by many of the international organizations and they were able to move out into the ebola treatment areas in those areas. we picked up the training. it's based on the situation how we are going to adjust over time. >> i'm unclear on the business about isis in eastern libya. they are receiving training or giving training? >> they put training camps on. >> isis training camps? the president has said that borders are not going to be a constraint in going after isis. >> that policy discussion is ongoing and we will see how that goes. not right now. >> the needed troops or our power to go to -- >> no. >> you don't think any troops or airpower speak what we're
watching it very carefully to see what develops. right now it is just very small and nascent and we just have to see how it goes, okay? >> i still want to talk a recruiting and training because there have been -- >> the flow of foreign fighters goes throughout that entire area. we work with multiple combatant commands, work the foreign fighter challenges now. [inaudible] or are the people coming in from the outside crossing into libya who you believe are, if you will, hard-core mainline isis? >> i think, i think it's just militia trying to make a name and a connection. >> renaming themselves. to think seriously they are adhered to isis? >> i don't think we have enough information to make a decision right now. >> do you have any approximate number of cans or individuals the? >> no. >> do you see them migrating out of libya once the training is
completed to syria or iraq or anywhere else? >> i'm not sure we have the understanding of that at this point but like i said it's very, very, very nascent effort and a very, you know, not a clear understanding at this point. yes. >> fall upon the question with boko haram. the u.s. military just stopped training our behalf of the speech at the request and yes. >> of the niger in government and you just mentioned the isr that you've been sharing is not really being used, and they are not being very precise. how would you describe the relationships -- >> isr does not give them a precise enough data to really go after. so they have to continue to help the situation further. because of the isolated area and of the challenges they see with boko haram, they have not been able to develop the situation
further. >> is there a way to make this more precise and get the data to them? >> it's a mixture of everything, whether it is human intelligence, the image intelligence and everything, and in coordination with the nigerian military. we have not been able to get the precise fix that they desire to take, you know, action. >> the nigerian government has wanted more from u.s. military. what more had they been requesting? is there more that can be given? can you describe the relationship between u.s. military and the nigerian military? >> the relationship between the nigerian military and the u.s. is like many relationships in africa. to ask us for what they need, and based on what we can provide them, we do. they have challenges, of course with human rights that we have
to watch very carefully. so at the 143rd return had been embedded, but it's hard to get a unit that is properly vetted to really help them, okay? >> this has been going on for like seven months and now. the american public gets the impression it's like a tom clancy we can track them down after a while. can you give a feel for why this is a difficult? >> the terrain is a tough. it's mountainous. it's very, very, you know, thickly vegetated. and again they are not in one place to there in different places. they have been spread throughout the area, so it really is like looking for a needle in haysta haystack. >> and a -- >> begin to with a couple of places that could have been, you know, could be potentially by the or and everything that they been unable to get up there and develop that situation any further here.
>> ask one more into quick follow. when you talk about the training games in libya, we talk about hard-core isis, are you seeing any iraqi or certain element? >> no spill local homegrown who are bringing in, training other foreign-born jihadists or locals? >> no. again, in libya you've got multiple sharia strains, you've got a lot of different militias. you got a lot of different organizations out there. and again i think what they're trying to do is again just work the label and get some kind of support and everything, but we don't have any precision on where the people are coming from that are being trained. >> when you were talking about not beautiful conflict of the troops can you said it might be redirected elsewhere. are you implying they might be sent to sierra leone? >> yes. it's in the region. it was just for the usaid and
sierra leone, guinea and liberia, focus on liberia first, see how it goes with the rest of the thing and respond to usaid's efforts wherever they see fit. >> have you seen someone numbers of american troops in sierra leone or -- >> no. that would all be less than that, 2900 right now. because again the major efforts in liberia for the military will end here in december, january. is forced the usual logistics peace and engineering peace which is taking most of the people, okay? thank you. >> according to a rand corporation survey, reports of military sex assaults are up 8%. today defense secretary chuck hagel holds a briefing on the sexual assaults in the military. it's live at 1:30 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> according to a recent report
mission by the labor department, millions of american workers are victims of wage violations and fraud. today, labor secretary tom perez discusses the minimum wage and enforcement of wage loss. you can see the event hosted by the center for american progress action fund live at 2 p.m. eastern on c-span3. >> and compton recently retired as abc news white house correspondent are over 40 years covering the white house and the administrations of gerald ford through barack obama spent we watched them, listen to a group of second graders go through their drill, and they whisper to the present. i was stunned, 9:07 a.m. nobody interrupts the president even for a second respect the president stood and said that he had to go, and he went into a side room and then we heard, we
discovered that it was the two planes down -- two plane crashes in new york. we are in the parking outside the school conspirator, the president comes talk to the pool and i said no, to our live cameras in a catheter to the president has to speak the. he didn't want to scare the children but he did go into the cafeteria. he said it's an apparent terrorist attack and i must return to washington. we raced to the plane. we were pushed upward quickly. the door slammed and then the pentagon was hit. >> sunday night at eight eastern and pacific on c-span q&a. >> former florida governor jeb bush said he's thinking about running for president in 2016. is a marks are part of an interview with "the wall street journal" ceo councils annual meeting. topics include immigration policy and u.s.-china relations. it's 40 minutes.
>> do you want me on the let's? >> governor bush is on the left. to your right, thank you. so it's okay. and you brought your coffee so you can get over cabinet as we talk. that would be good. thank you for being with us. governor bush has to go back to miami where he will miss the cold wave by leaving just in time tonight. thank you for being with us. i appreciated very much. a lot of familiar faces and to you i suspect. to get ready for this conversation i written speeches you've been giving lately, and discovered that one of the significant developments of 2014 was that you became a grandfather for the third time, and you tell me and then you are about to be a grandfather for the fourth time. congratulations at. >> that was in my speech is? >> it was in one.
>> i had the privilege of covering come when i tell people in my bureau i covered the bush white house they think i'm in your brother. it's a sign of age. diming george h. w. bush, the 41st president, and had the privilege of going to kennebunkport and there's plenty of room for children, graduate a great grandchildren of every ag >> can i bring up a point of privilege and pride which which to my dad and my first granddaughter, jeb and sandra's granddaughter is now three. she is trilingual, more less. her name is georgia elena walker bush. [laughter] and turn it into her family is 41. [laughter] georgia represents the new america that i know at least on the editorial side of "the wall street journal," they believe in and i am passionate about this as welcome the new america is an america that doesn't have-it's, an america where your work and
your effort is your definition, not some political entity form of things. in political life today georgia would be a canadian iraqi mexican texas american. she's a cointreau hyphenated -- >> texans are still americans, aren't they? >> barely. [laughter] i'm a texan by birth but my wife is from mexico. center is a canadian by birth. jeb was born in florida. santos parents were born in iraq. that is the american that we should aspire to, not the one we're dividing ourselves up to find where we are different, but the fact that you from a different place or you've got a different origin that's totally irrelevant. so georgia when she fills out the form when she's 21, 18 you're somehow, she will cite not applicable, and they'll be
good news for our country to be honest with you, so enough -- [applause] in reading the speeches and actually did, i was struck by something as a couple of times in recent months when you've been talking to groups. you said this. you said this nation is experiencing a crisis of opportunity. tell me what you meant by that and what it means for people in washington. >> i think we're missing the opportunity to take advantage of our skill sets, for strengths. we focus on or weaknesses. we fight over those. there's massive gridlock, really unprecedented gridlock. and yet this is the most extraordinary country in the world. this country is so much better when you hear the director general of the imf talk about the places in the world. the united states should not be in any category remotely close to a problem kind of country.
we have everything that is necessary, abundant in natural resource, most innovative country, the most greater place in the world, a work labor laws that are unique in the developed world, a big place full of chances to expand. the history of productivity. all the stuff has just been cast aside temporarily and we are moping around like we are friends, with all due respect. [laughter] the french have a lot of great things going on in their lives. i don't want to be disrespectful. they have a lot of interesting things and great things but we are not france, for crying out loud. the crisis of opportunity as we are not seizing the moment. we are not aspiring to be young and dynamic again. and if we fix a few really big substantive things, don't get me wrong, these are not little things, we could be america again. spent which big substantive things? >> the want them in order of
importance? >> your choice. >> i will give you five right off the bat and they will get to the bigger ones, but i'd say an energy policy based on american innovation and north american resources, and all in. all in. oh, you knew, we should be energy secure with mexico, canada and the united states within five years. if we aspire to that we could do. a regulatory systems based on the 21st century economy, not the 19th or 20th century where we're putting rules, old complicated rules on top of old complicated rules create more complexity than perhaps any developed country in the world. we've lost our dynamic nature because, i've asked this question a lot of people that have made it to most of you, all of you have. could you do what you've done, particularly if you talk to entrepreneur, could you do what you've done starting over now? a lot of people admit they couldn't because the barriers to
be successful today are much more deeper and more complex. figuring out a way to transform how we create rules run every aspect of human endeavor in the 21st century way is one of the great challenges. supplying the tax code so that we take power away from washington and give it back to people to let them make decisions about how investments take place, not how washington once. so if you want a world where left-handed albanian tax credits are like the norm or right-handed croatian tax deductions are okay, then come to america because that's what we've got. because the most complicated tax code rather than lowering taxes, limiting as many deductions as possible to let freedom ring. that would be the third thing. the fourth thing i would say is immigration reform. because it is, it is something that is unique and special to this country. if we would create an economically driven immigration
system will be controlled our borders and the certainty that would happen, and we moved away from family reunification being the sole driver, close to a sole driver of how people come to this country, 75-80% of legal immigrants come through family petitioning and we dramatically expanded economic immigrants, which we have the capability of doing, and that's not necessary and ideological or partisan issue. we could in essence create in america and a lot of other issues that go along with us, we could create a country don't have the first 200 or 300,001st round draft picks. we would be like fred. rtu and owner of -- try to be an owner of a football team. >> he's trying to forget that. >> you could be the equivalent of fred smith trying to be an owner of a football team or a small owner. you could picture you would want to come to this country and they would come.
it would create economic vitality the likes of which people around here have no clue. they have no understanding of this. this is an extraordinary country and it's a missed opportunity. and finally i think we need radical transmission of how we educate the next generation. it's not working. reform is important but i was a transformation should be the bigger argument, and we are not even close. this is a place where i am completely frustrated. those five big things get us to a point where if we started doing some of those, then we can actually do the other big things, which is not going to happen anytime soon which is entitlement reform. which we desperately need as well. no developed country in the world has been able to achieve this, and if we do what we will be young and dynamic and emerging again rather than a developed country. we would be the first country in the world that will be a break but we'll have to change the acronym for it would be like to show what do you call a? i do know.
but we will replace the r. not likely russia under its current path will be a bric a country which is the first in world history that will happen. i think it will be the means by which we see rising income for the middle class again at her spirits were lifted. much less pessimistic about what the future looks like. >> let me pick up on two of those items come immigration and education, just quickly. the reality is that the roadblock to comprehensive immigration reform in this down for the last year hasn't been your party in the house. so where's the gap between what you just said and really on the legislative grant in washington which is that's what this has to have a? >> you don't think when the president of the united states uses powers may or may not have but clearly knows it will be more than provocative views executive order powers to try to
do with immigration that that's not provocative and that's not a deterrent a? >> but the problem came, arguably came in the preceding year, not now. >> well, i would argue that there's enough blame to go on both sides and i was a wee of missed opportunities on our side to shift the focus away from the argument solely exclusive on controlling the border to how do we shift to an economically driven immigration system. i think that's the missed opportunity for republicans. i think that there's a trust anymore that the executive will enforce the law. so we are stuck. it's a shame because this is the easiest thing of the five things that are mentioned. it's the one that is the least complex where there's less political discord, in my opinion, and it's a huge shame because it's also probably the easiest way to get to sustained
economic growth, which is what we desperately need. so hopefully the republicans rather than have heads explode with the presidents executive actions, which i think -- i'm not a lawyer so i can't say that they're unconstitutional, let's call them extraconstitutional. they are a stretch, stretched way beyond what the executive authority by any other president has been used in the idea that reagan did it, my dad did, they did on a much smaller scale. they did it with the consent of congress. there's a lot of differences between what happened back in 30 years ago and what happened now. this lack of trust makes it harder for it to happen. and it's a shame. >> is there a problem with what the president did, what is proposed in or with the way he has proposed to do it? >> the way first of all. i don't know the exact details. frankly, to do something, he didn't probably change things
because he doesn't anywhere near close that authority to do it. he extended, he granted a deferral of the execution of the law for a couple of years. so these people are still in limbo. what we need to do is to get to some certainty for people, 11 million people who are here, 5 million of which he dealt with. we need to find someway certain, some certainty to get them some legal status and the persistent asthma economically driven. the system we have today, we are the only country in the world that has spouse, minor children or adult siblings and adult parents as the definition of family. every other country has spouse and minor children that i'm aware of. please don't politifact me whoever is following me. i think that's true though. so if you narrowed it, and it which is what candidate has but if we could emulate that canada model, 13-15% of the immigrants
come through family petitioning, and 70-75% come for economic purposes based on economic need. canada is sophisticated enough to know where their shortages of labor or. wow, what a radical innovation to be able to know that. imagine we could probably figure that out with people in this room alone in the united states. if we had the same system, we narrowed family petitioning and expanded, call it an aspirational class for people to come and make an immediate impact on our economy, guess what. we are added more higher sustained rate. liberal or conservative or democrat republican would be opposed to that. >> let's talk education. frankly the last several years we have done this people in this room raise education a lot as a barrier to the economic growth. you have thought about this will prevent most people. in your estimation is the as