tv Book Discussion on Gloria Steinem CSPAN December 5, 2015 11:00pm-12:21am EST
in this beautiful, beautiful space. i just want to thank esther and jackie and all of the people here. please give them a hand. they are doing an incredible job with this wonderful space. we share with a real mission as you know, she will be talking about her new book called my life on the road. we were counting up for previous books. there are a bunch of bestsellers on the list. we think this is her 7th. in any case she is very prolific. once you read this i am sure
you will find it as telling and engaging as a writing always is. now, to do a proper introduction would take up the entire hour which i don't think you want to do, and that is because of the number of posits she has championed, advocacy she has received and nurtured articles and essays a book she has written, campaigns she is organized, magazines she has launched and the awards she has one. i will mention the top highlights. she was the cofounder of ms. man editor for many years. [applause] founded the national women's political caucus. if you are old enough you will know that is one of the 1st politically centered advocacy groups for women. this is amazing.
[applause] perhaps less quantifiable but no less important as this year impact. in her new book it is one story told through many stories about her life's journey. the road to travel, books should met. our eventual discovery. backbone over half a century to the fight for the rights of women, people of color. like many of you in the audience without i suspect a
grip on this magazine and thanks to gloria i have probably live with myself a feminist ever since. you have literally spent your entire life giving voice to the aspiration and ambition of hundreds of nine of women worldwide and by extension their families, communities, countries and really all of us. thank you for being an inspiration. tonight gloria will be in conversation with another of our nation's most influential advocates, maxine waters. [applause] now and her 13 term in the us house of representatives and representing a diverse ten fascinating district in south central los angeles, earned a reputation being
fearless, outspoken, limitless and effective. a decade of the california state assembly where she filed for that investment of the state pensions front -- state pension funds and work to protect affirmative action, i determined leader in congress and the national democratic party, true champion of equality. seminal event back in 1977, national women's conference in houston. let's just say the world has never been the same sense and for the better. please join me in welcoming gloria steinman and congresswoman maxine waters. [applause]
but this is a conversation. >> gloria and i have a lot to talk about, but we can talk about in front of all of you. gloria's writing changed my life. i met her in 1977 at a wonderful conference. i've never seen anybody like gloria. and bella was one of gloria's dearest friends in life. and bella shouted at her all the time. what he let her talk to the way? gloria said,said, this is the way we talk to each other in new york. [applause] >> i remember a story clearly. we did not know each other. i really was shouting, if
you knew billion you that she just shout at you about how terrible something was and you waited until she finished in and explained why you did it. maybe your right and went on. and i can see maxine looking appalled. and i did, this is the way we talk to new york which is not actually true, but i was trying to comfort her. and so, you know, at the conference many of us were there not knowing what we were supposed to do and how we were supposed to do it. and so as days went by we started to try and organize. organizing the minority caucus. and we said we had a lot to say but we didn't really know how to write it. so gloria was drafted to write everything for everybody. we dictated to her much of what we wanted to say.
not only did i get a chance to do the preamble to the minority plank, but the most wonderful thing was following up she asked to join the board. and i was a member of the california state assembly at that time. all of the ideas that i had about trying to create opportunities for women from becoming a feminist my took those ideas to the california state legislature, ae to get many of them signed and the law. and one that i will share with you was, at the time that i was in the california senate assembly paid for the buildup. they said it was cosmetic surgery. i was a feminist.
i wasn't going for that. and so because of my being able to serve on the board and witness all of these proposals became an unsolicited, i learned to move on things like that. of course i had a signed into law. but my life changed, and i ended up in new york every month or so and met so many different people. gloria was, you know, i had not met such a woman before in my life. there was this woman who was young, and here she was organizing and working. way outside of the box. and so we had these wonderful, wonderful times together. he reminisced about what we were going to do later on in
life. here we are later on in life command we have not organized yet. we will all end up, with this book that gloria has written really does tell you she is. i won't tell you anymore. gloria doesn't know what impact she had all over again command she explained it to me what happened in her life. >> no, thank you. maxine has always been in the forefront.
just now i was thinking about your struggle in california to keep it comes from doing internal searches this tougher traffic reasons. there was. what we have discovered about the mistreatment of women, you know, maxine has always been there. and if any other woman wins the presidency -- [applause] it will be because maxine and barbara lee and barbara mikulski that women can be respected authority in public life.
respectful andin so many ways and have demonstrated that women's authority as public life, okay, normal because otherwise i think we're so used to seeing women only child-rearing. nurturing and emotion and things inside the home. we see male authority as rational and appropriate. and you know i think that is part of the reason that it is hard for some women and especially for men. i think about it when i see
when i see her she reminds me of my 1st wife waiting outside the island. hello. and i think in a way they felt regressed to childhood because that was the last time they saw woman in authority. so you know maxine is out to change that to open up the space for female talent of all kind. i am just so grateful for that. the problem is we don't get to see each other enough. >> well, you know, as i said , i started my trips to new york. met wonderful women command
i could recall. i could but i won't many of the meetings that he had. remember all of that. supported comeau we had some very talented women who were true feminists. and i want to tell you, you might be a little bit surprised. for me to identify myself back in the day, what are you talking about. you can be a feminist. that's a white woman thing. >> so wrong. >> all that gets distorted. butbut i think people would like to hear about some of these trips. i had an opportunity to be
part of the presser here. and i think the story that you told about being in this place where -- >> okay. all right. >> it is so wonderfully written. and it is so absolutely educational you must not think about people based on what you think you see. you can learn an awful lot. >> i think the road is my substitute for meditation. i have taken courses. i never do it. but i think the road is my form that. forces you live in the present. it forces you to be alive
with all your senses and the question all your suppositions. i will read this. another question which is supposed to lead us in the organizing. we can wait. i boardi board a plane for rapid city, south dakota and see a lot of people and chains and tattoos. airlines passengers usually look right where they are going. businesses to washington dc, genes to la, but i, but i can't imagine a convention of such unconventional visitors and rapid city. is the kind of town where people still angle parked their cars in front of the movie pounds. my bearded seatmate is asleep in a heavy jacket and nose ring, so i just accept one more mystery of the road. at the airport i meet five female friends from different parts of the country.
we arewe are diverse group of women, cherokee activist and her grown-up daughter who is here, rebecca adamson. the cherokee activist. okay. two african-american writers and one musician and me. we have been invited to a lakota sioux powwow celebrating the powerful place that women held before patriarchy arrived from europe and efforts now to restore the place. as we drive toward the badlands we see an acre of motorcycles around each isolated diner and motel. this solves the mystery of the leather in the chain but it creates another. only stop for coffee our waitress can't believe that we don't know. every august since 1938 bikers from all over the world have come here for a
rally named after sturgis, a town that is just a lie place in the road. they are .-dot -- drawn by the sparsely populated forest, mountains, and the grid of highway so straight that it is recognizable from outer space. right now about 250,000 bikers are filling every motel and campground within 500 miles. our band of six strong women take note. the truth is comeau we are a little afraid of so many bikers in one place. how could we not be? we have learned from movies that the bikers travel in packs, treat women like possessions and see other women as sexual fair game. but we don't run into the bikers because we spend our days traveling down unmarked roads past the last band of trees in indian country. read home-cooked food brought in trucks, sit on blankets around powwow grounds where dancers follow
the heart beat of drums and watch indian ponies has decorated as the dancers. when it rains of rainbow stretches from can be to see and fields of what sweetgrass become as fragrant as gigantic flowers. only when we return they each night to our cabins do we see motorcycles in the parking lot. while walking andwhile walking and rapid city i here a bikers say to his tattooed woman partner, honey, shop as long as you want and i'll meet you at the cappuccino place. [applause] i assume this is an aberration. on our last morning i enter the lodge alone for an early breakfast trying to remain both inconspicuous and open-minded. still, i am hyper conscious of a roomful.
and the boothand the booth next to meet a man with chains around his muscles and leather pants and an improbable hairdo, taking note of my presence. finally, the woman comes over to talk. i just want to tell you, she says cheerfully, how much this magazine is meant to me over the years. [applause] and my husband, too. [applause] he read some now that he is retired. isn't one of the women you are traveling with alice walker. i love her poetry. it turns out that she had her husband have been coming to this motorcycle valley every year since they were 1st married. she loves the freedom of the road and also the mysterious landscape of the badlands. she urges me to walk they're but to follow the path smart
phibro. during the war of the sacred black hills, she explained, lakota warriors found refuge there because the cavalry got lost every time. her husband says -- stopped by on quite the cashier and see the huge statue of crazy horse that is being dynamited in the black hills. crazy horse riding his pony is going to make all those indian killing presidents on mount rushmore look like nothing. he walks away a gentle lumbering man, tattoos, chains and all. before she lays my new friend tells me to look out the big picture window. see that purple harley out they're? the big gorgeous one that's mine. i used to run by my my husband and never took the
road on my own. after the kids were grown i put my foot down.down. it was hard, but we finally got to be partners. now he says he likes it better this way. he doesn'the doesn't have to worry about his bike breaking down are getting a heart attack and totaling us both. i even put this on my license plate, and you should see my grandkids faces when grandma arrives up on her purple harley. [applause] on my own again i look out at the barren sand and tortured rock of the badlands stretching for miles. i walk they're and no that close up the barren sand, layers of pale beige and arose and cream. and the rocks turn out to have intricate openings. even in the distant cliffs rescue appears. what seems to be one thing from a distance is very different close-up.
i tell you the story because it is the kind of lesson that can be learned only on the road and also because i have come to believe that inside each of us has a purple motorcycle. we have only to discover it and ride. [applause] >> i love that. i love that. i love that. i thought you would enjoy that also. i loved it. even more than the actual story and the lesson that is taught in the story, the way gloria reitz is so wonderful. the descriptive nature of her writing as she describes the landscape and all of those things is just so wonderful and easy reading. it is like you are talking to her.
i no she had some other thing she wanted to read, but i wanted you to here that. >> okay. shall i read my organizing thing and then we can all start talking to each other? i have to find it. all the years campaigning have given me one clear message, voting is not the most we can do, but it is the least. to have a democracy you have to want one. still, i realize this fully only by looking back. at the beginning of the 1980s i went to missouri to campaign for harry woods and her u.s. senate race. i bet there are people here that remember. she was a great candidate, and her path into politics was so improbable that no
one could have made it up. as a mothera mother of two young children she complained about a noisy manhole cover that awakened them every time a car rolled over. when she got nowhere with the city council she circulated a neighborhood petition to close the streets to cars. it worked. this success better, she one of the survey years, got appointed to the state highway commission, ran a successful race for the state legislature and was reelected there, too. all of this made her a viable candidate statewide. still,still, this was not enough for the state democratic party. going to sound familiar. when it came time to choose the primary candidate in the u.s. senate race it back to well-to-do banker who had never run for anything. but she turned out to have something more important
than her party'sparty's blessing. community support and volunteers. she beat the rich got to the one. suddenly,suddenly, harriet was was in a race with republican senator john danforth. hehe was not only incumbent but a former attorney general of missouri and ordained episcopal priest and the rich grandson and founder of ralston purina. purina. it was as if she were running against the entire patriarchy. when i went to campaign for i could see that all of the new feminist elect all groups were working their hearts out, and they were volunteering in her statewide campaign. the missouri was often counted as an anti- choice state woods refused to budge from her support for reproductive freedom is a fundamental. in the end she one in rural republican areas anyway,
including one so conservative that it was known as little dixie. but in the final week she had run out of money and cannot answer the last minute storm of virulent attacks.attacks. she lost by less than 2 percent of the vote. it was so clear that she could have one with money to answer those last-minute attacks that her race inspired the founding of emily's list. [applause] and this went on to attract 3 million members and become one of the biggest in the nation as well as the single biggest resource for women in politics. but danforth it when. he took withhe took with him to washington and african-american lawyer named clarence thomas who had been working for monsanto, the agrochemical giant that gave us agent orange, genetically engineered seed and more.
indeed,more. indeed, dance with got him that job at monsanto, too. as danforth explained he was very attracted to thomas not only because he was a rare african-american conservative but also because he too has studied to be a priest, in his case a catholic priest. all this happened decades ago. it her loss by two -- a few hundred votes. if you don't believe me flash forward to the morning after the 2,000 bush versus gore presidential election. with national results hanging by the thread of a few thousand disputed votes in florida. i just happeni just happened to be speaking at palm beach county community college that morning. is just happened to be a democratic area.
and i could see that nobody wanted to talk about anything but the election that was hanging by a thread. a young african-american woman rose to say that she had registered to vote by phone and been challenged by her polling place because caucasian had been printed next to her name. she never did get to vote. an older african-american man said he had been denied the right to vote because he was told he had a felony conviction that he had never been accused of a crime, what's was convicted. someone shouted out out yes you have. it's called voting while black. amid the laughter and other meant to do explain the names of people with felonies had been merged with the voter rolls without checking whether more than one person shared the same name. then an older white woman said the bus from her retirement home had been sent to the wrong polling place.
others testified that polling places were fewer and lines are longer and poor and more democratic areas. people had given up because they were hourly workers who lost pay if they were not at their jobs. in a white man of 50 or so said he had seen the illustration of the ballot box only on the way out and realized he had accidentally voted for an extremeextreme right-wing candidate when he thought he was voting for al gore. painful memories. that caused a dozen more people to grown and shout that the set also happened to them. out of approximately 700 people in that one auditorium at least 100 had been unable either to vote for their chosen candidate or to vote at all. i wondered, if there are this many in one auditorium how many and all of palm beach county, how many in
all the states of florida? finally, a white man of 30 or so rose to face me. in the name of his military service to his country he said and also in the name of his young daughter whom he wanted to grow up in a democracy he asked, will you stay and help us organize the protest tomorrow and the next day in the next? whatever it takes. i could feel a deep poll to say yes. yet i thought my presence might be used to call this a rebellion instigated by an outsider. instead, i promised to take the name, address command polling place of everyone who had not been able to vote at all word voted for a candidate they didn't no they were voting for and given to lawyers for gore as well as nonpartisan watchdogs outside the state. i went home, called the election lawyers, delivered the list as promised. when
bush's lead was down to a mere 537 votes out of 6 million cast, the every examination of ballots was stopped. florida secretary of state katherine harris, also the cochair of bush's florida campaign declared bush the winner, called for a recount and supported by the florida supreme court. however, the us supreme court ruled five to four that there was no uniform recount standard to meet people protection clause and no time to create one. it was a decision that would be compared with the dred scott decision, the 19th century supreme court ruling that no black person, slave or free could ever become a citizen of the united states for its impact and for its clear bias. now, remember the horseshoe was lost. for want of a horseshoe the horse was
lost. new line of course the battle was lost and so on. this parable should be the mantra of anyone who thinks that his or her vote didn't count. if harriet woods had not been defeated by less than 2 pen missouri stand forth would not have been a us senator. if danforth had been a sen. clarence thomas would not have gone with him to washington as a staff member. if thomas had not been visible in washington as a rare african-american who opposed his communities majority views, he would not have been appointed by the 1st president bush to head and to disempower the equal employment opportunity commission. and then to sit on the dc court of appeals. if thomas had not been given such credentials he could not have been nominated by the same president bush to succeed the great civil rights advocate justice
thurgood marshall on the supreme court. if thomas had not been on the supreme court he could not have supplied the one-vote margin that halted the florida recount. if there had been a recount al gore, not george w. bush would have been president as one concluded by a postelection examination of all uncounted ballots that was commissioned by 12 major news organizations. if george w. bush about then-president the united states would have been less likely to lose the world sympathy after september 11 by launching the longest war in us history. plus billions in tax dollars given to 20,000 private contractors and thousands killed and wounded on both sides. if al gore, not george w. bush have been president
global warming would have been taken more seriously. also, the united states would not have falsified evidence to justify invading oil-rich iraq, the starting and eight year war, and convincing some islamic countries that the united states was waging war on islam. without george w. bush they're would not be the biggest transfer of wealth into private hands in the history of this nation, pay ratio in which the average ceo earns 470 times more than the average worker and canada it's only 20 times more. and executive order giving an estimated 40 billion in tax dollars to catholic evangelical and other religious groups without congressional approval often with the appearance of
turning churches into a vote delivery system, without clarence thomas to supply the one-vote majority the supreme court might not have ruled that corporations are people with the right to unlimited political spending in order to continue all of the above. well, you get the idea. the list goes on. we must not only vote, we must fight to vote. the voting booth really is the one place on earth where the least powerful and the most powerful are equal. i still dream about that veteran and his daughter. i stilli still wish i had said yes. i have no idea whether we in the room could have made a difference. in truth we don't know which of our acts will shape the future.future. but we have to behave as if everything that we do matters because it might. [applause]
i tell a lot of people about it. it's kind of awkward. i was wondering what your thoughts are of the newer abortion storytelling moving to the movement and what you would say to women who have had abortions were thinking about whether or not they can speak about it, tell the truth about that. >> no, it is not my decision. it is there decision. and it seems to me that political justice, social justice movements come out telling the truth is much as we possibly can. it was the issue that made me understand that we needed athe women's movement because i went to cover abortion hearing before the supreme court ruling, and
ruling command women are standing up and telling the stories of their abortions and i had never told the story of mine. you know, it, one in three, as we all know, american women needed an abortionist sometime in their life. it is like the marriage equality movement. you know, it comes from telling the truth. expecting choices, telling the truth, discovering your not alone. do you want to address this, maxine? >> well, i can recall when a young girl in st. louis, missouri and, of course, all my friends about the same age, 16, 15, 17, 18, and girls were getting pregnant and there was a midwife who was an across the bridges recall that in illinois. and it became known to all
of our communities that this is where you go in order to have your one dilated by this midwife. and of course all of those girls would end up in the hospital infected and near-death, but i have always wondered even though i was young why i did not think something was unusual about that. and it was not until many years later when the feminist movement began to really help women to understand that they have a right to make choices and that they have a right to get healthcare and all of that. but i thought about all of those young women, some who died, i'm sure over near-death and we just consider that is the way life is. we did not rebel. we did not talk about it.
and so when the feminist movement began to really make this discussion take place in this country i always felt a little bit guilty that i had not understood for so many years why women have the right to get healthcare, why didn't we have the right to get healthcare and why didn't we know there was something wrong with the way women were pushing young girls to have abortions and put their lives on the line. >> i don't want to keep people standing, but it occurs to me i can ask other people to do what i don't do. i will redo the dedication of this book. this book is dedicated to doctor john sharp of london who in 1957 a decade before
physicians and he could legally perform an abortion for any reason other than the help of the woman took a considerable risk of referring for an abortion at 22 -year-old american on our way to india knowing only that she had broken and engagement home to seek an unknown fate, you must promise me two things. first, you will not tell anyone my name. second, you will do what you want to do with your life. dear doctordoctor sharp, i believe you knew the law was unjust would not mind if i say this so long after your death. i've done the best i could with my life. this book is for you. [applause] >> i am really reading you that because it is true.
i can't ask anyone else to tell the truth is i have. [applause] >> very lucky. >> we can't here you. >> i have known gloria for 61 years. [applause] >> i want to ask you whether you have been doing to meet my cousin. >> what i? have i met her? no. i obviously should. okay. okay. [applause] >> i actually just -- well, not super recently been recently finished organizing in arkansas and vouch for
you said about bikers. before that actually passed. the bikers, totally into it. it was really unexpected and great. actually not just a one-time thing. >> thank you. >> i was like oh my gosh. okay. that is what organizing is. you here a lot about women, all the crap that's going around right now. what is the one thing you are most frustrated about not having come to pass and what is one of your most proudest achievements that has actually come to pass? >> that's hard. hard to pick one thing. collectively the thing that is the most crazy to me is
that violence against females in all different forms, whether preference or honor killings are violence of the country or forced pregnancies, child marriage, you know, violence know, violence against women in war zones, sexualized violence altogether it adds up to the fact that for the 1st time that we know of there are fewer females now on spaceship earth than males. you know, whatever form it takes in our lives i think you know we are all becoming much more aware of that. if you ask me the thing i'm proudest of, that is really hard because i live in the future. some people asked me that i always say i haven't done it yet. [applause]
>> so, i am the president of my chapter for the association for women in mathematics. [applause] we promote math and women but we cannot post one thing without somebody saying, g, if there is an association for women in mathematics why is there an association for men in mathematics? what would you respond? >> the association for men in mathematics is called mathematics. [laughter] >> i am so very nervous right now. >> don't be. we are so glad you are here. >> you both have been doing advocacy work for several decades now.
out of all of your work and accomplishments the thing that stands out the most is that you have been able to push through. and i am just wondering, where the moments when you were close to quitting or thought about quitting what kept you going? >> close to quitting. >> every day. >> what kept you going? >> i said to someone just today that if there is one thing that bothers me and probably motivates me to work is unfairness. i do not like people to be treated unfairly. i really truly believe in equality. i believe in respect for every human being. and i am motivated to fight, you, you know, some of those
evil spirits you see on tv. every day of my life. yeah. i think actually what keeps me going is the only thing worse than trying, whether you succeeded or not is not trying to walk around wondering what if, maybe if ii had done this it would have worked. it drives you crazy. that is a try. [applause] >> hi. i'm going to read this because i was nervous. as a jewish feminist who supports the liberation of the palestinian people i was moved that you had spoken out and i would love to learn from you a little bit more about how you navigate your role as a jewish woman in the jewish feminist at a
timea time in history when so much of our community is complicit in the oppression of the palestinian people. [applause] >> you know, i have not played a big role in the long term difficulties and heartache and oppression. mostly what i have done this chart to come together with women on all three sides and help there to be communication among women and what has always struck me is that the palestinian women and the israeli piece movement and so on, we worked out the two state solution down to the last contract, the last agreement
on water rights. twenty-five years ago. and i -- a great sadness is that unlike, say, liberia where they came together and managed to get rid of a warlord regime and at least have a democratic election and unlike irelandboth sides came together when government couldn't it has not happened. it has not happened. and it is issued charity. >> a long, long time. i was wondering if you could speak a little bit by your essay and talk a little bit about what the advertising was like.
>> yes. the advertising is really such a huge problem in many ways, but especially in women's magazines these women's magazines are regarded in the industry as cash cows. and what that means is that the advertisers have traditionally controlled most of the pages, and that is why you see that is about the product or the category of products. advertising has a lot of influence everywhere, but in my experience it has the most influence in women's magazine. solis. some of us remember when there was fiction and poetry in women's magazines and more articles. the editorsthe editors of his magazines are striving there best to speak in some independent editorial, but it is very, very difficult. and so we are willing to pay
a subscriber and not be dependent totally on advertising income we are going to have this problem. you know the educational service on the line called ask linda, you can learn anything for $25 a month. and you know, it is a populist educational institution, no ads at all, totally subscriber supported. and it has been successful for 20 years. linda weinman who started it who has a representative employee, everything you could possibly want, she wants to be helpful with the us education. she sold the business for $2 billion.
okay. it is possible that we can support what we want to support and therefore get will want instead of being subject to add that control receipt, control so much of what we see. >> well, let mewell, let me just take a moment to tell you about our recent announcement, and it is a little bit strange. playboy just announced it will be no more naked women. as you know, that brought them to this point. many years ago, but what is interesting is the daughter of hugh hefner we have known for many years who took over some part of the management of that magazine some years ago. i always thought that even though she kind of inherited
that she wanted to do something better with the magazine command i don't know if years later this is her decision to try and change the magazine. i don't know if it can be changed. they decided no more naked women. >> you are a positive person, maxine. >> i hope your right. what they said was that they were stopping is because there was so much pornography available everywhere. and they were doing it for economic reasons. so somebody e-mailed me a query about it. this isthis is like the nra saying we're not selling handguns anymore because assault weapons are so available. i hope she is right. >> hi. thank you for this. this is incredible.
>> so much of what you have been talking about has me thinking about the importance of knowing our history. you also brought out the 08 elections. looking back to 2,008 i think a lot of people both in hillary's campaign and her supporters had some serious trouble talking about race, especially with barack obama. looking forward we can have another situation where hillary is in a general election against another history making men of color. what lessons can we take from what went wrong in 2,008 and apply to the possibility looking forward? >> if we could just never answer a question from a news reporters, most people
in the world, most women are affected by both. it is impossible to uproot racism without uprooting sexism. to maintain racial difference you have to control reproduction. i hope that no matter what happens we will be 100 percent clear that race and sex are intertwined. you can only uproot them together and absolutely refused to answer stupid questions like which is more important. [applause] >> i am old enough to love you both. [laughter] >> am very curious about what it takes to achieve acceptance of being regular ordinary. using ago the word misted not exist. now it is ordinary.
when i was growing up in the 50s in a small town on our talking tables we had life and better homes & gardens. we got from going to the big city, cleveland, ohio. my mom and i went to the avenue fashion shows. she had a subscription to avenue. i thought that was normal. i thought everyone had magazines at home. so i have kind of grown up with people of different races being ordinary. i was missing until i was out of college. then i became ms. miss. how much does ordinary however we can do about that lead to a more general
acceptance. that is the way life is. >> if it becomes ordinary because we do it this was an old term. the disaster not knowing whether someone was married or not. but actually, it is an abbreviation, little boys and girls, mistress and master. it just means mistress without marital status and is on tombstones in the united states centuries ago. it was not new. that is academic really because it became ordinary by use. we named the magazine that. require the government to provide choice.
so i guess it's hard sometimes to get people who look like that to understand the experiences of women are very broad, so my question is first how to get people to understand that there's a gap between women of a different racial and ethnic group and also how to put that intact. >> so you're standing up and saying it, that's great [applause]. you're absolutely right, the focus is on colleges not on indian country where the issues of sexual assault are way worse. there's no competition of tears.
tears are tears, tears, we just have to keep reminding each other to be inclusive, it's not easy. the the same conversation is going on in india for instance because the reign of sexual assault has to also include the fact that judges actually say and these dolly women, so-called untouchable cannot be raped. so it is ours our task to be as inclusive as we can and to be reminded to be inclusive. do you have something that you want to happen if we can help happen.
>> i would first talk about the department of justice to actually prosecute those who have committed sexual assault and secondly it would be not simply known acquaintances but it can include a whole plethora of of crimes. i think also making sure the pipeline where more nondata fence -- [applause]. never fail we all learn, also i think the inclusion of women in indian country in the violence against women act was accomplished by one woman in the white house.
so we all have to do it because it matters. >> thank you both you for being here, we talk a lot about feminism and there seems to seem to not want to identify. [inaudible] i think anyone -- what you think there's pushback on the label, where did that come from? >> i think some people don't say feminist because they don't know what it means. if they go to the dictionary and see that it means anybody, man or woman then say zero yeah and that some people don't think they know what it means and they are against it. [applause]. but the problem with the first group is the word is still perceived as being anti- male,
and then the inevitable rush limbaugh they, humanness actually has a different meaning historically. it means you believe in human potential or possibility, not god. so. so maybe people like meryl streep, i don't know were adding to the fact that they were feminist by saying and their humanness. i find it very painful when anybody who actually believes in the content doesn't use the word because i do not think people would say i'm not for civil rights or, i don't know it is painful. >> what you think we can do to change that? >> walt the more we said, it's like anything else, the more we say it and this is one of feminist looks like.
>> back in the day we were brought burners and all kinds of names but all that has changed. what i like about the possibility of revitalizing the discussion and eminences that young women, like yourself have the opportunity to not only create more discussion, more organizing, more work, more involvement, and i'm convinced that is going to happen and that you will be saying it loud and clear. >> i will get right on that [applause]. >> we have time for. >> i didn't hear that. >> we have time for two more questions.
>> oh, two more questions oh dear. >> do you have any announcements kinda, any organizing announcements? >> i want to invite folks to get involved, as well as you gloria it is a project where men are getting up on public stages on college campuses, and communities communities and same personal stories that challenge issues of masculinity through their life experience. it's very much a feminist project. it's an intersexual feminist project. the question i have for you is, i'm also nervous, i'm curious of
your sense and the role of women in bringing men into feminism and activism. one of the interesting things i've been fighting with the project is that men come to the project events and then day, i hear go back to their dorms and are raving about it and in tears and are telling the men in their lives about it and calling their fathers on the way home. really taken it upon themselves to spread the word. i found that interesting in our evaluation study. i'm curious into the role of men and to also see women's role in getting men into it. the project website if i may, men story project.org. >> i think we need to emphasize,
we need to think okay what would help me understand if i were on the other side. we have to start their. we have to view the examples, when i am talking to groups of men i also, i think we all do talk about the restriction of both roles. men are often deprived of developing the full-circle of humanity. okay, they may be in a prison with wall-to-wall carpeting and but it is a print prison nonetheless. the ability to develop all of our human qualities this precious to us. whoever we are. and actually it lengthens men's live. we figured out men stand to live four years longer if they are no longer killed by the masculine
role, that is speeding, violence, and so on. what other movement can offer you former years. [applause]. i don't think women are responsible for or in charge of figuring this out for men. like i don't think -- [applause]. i don't think african-american people were latinas are in charge of trying to make white people shape up. it's a larger human question. i always tried to start out by saying what i wish someone would say to me. if that that doesn't work then i escalate after that. there are groups all over this
country a brave, compassionate man who are against violence against women, who are out there taking big risks, who are insisting on parental leave where they work and jeopardizing their promotions by doing so. they're saying i have to go home because my kid -- is present i think we become reliable allies when we see our interests in the other person liberation two. >> well, i'm going to tell you just a little story it was a little joke, her husband was forever asking her, where my my shoes? finally she said wear my shoes?
[laughter] so when i think about how we relate to each other and often times without really understanding or knowing or thinking about it. we are forever in a position of servitude. we keep doing things and keep asking others buyer actions to depend on us. we'll all kinds of things i started telling my husband, don't ask me about where were supposed to be, you think about that yourself. [applause]. because i found it had become a burden. it is like what are we going to the? i don't know what you going to eat, but i but i know what i'm going to eat. [applause]. so i started to relieve myself of the responsibility to always
think about nurturing and taking care of others, even though the there are times in their different things that happen in life but this everyday way of allowing yourself to be depended on in so many ways i think keeps us from helping men to become less you know respectful of our independence. [applause]. >> we do see what we see not what we are told, so the families that we grow up in, door kid see democratic families in which people do not have those kind of roles or do they
not? i would generally speaking it's okay to imitate the powerful group but not the other way around, so little girls may be raised more like little boys but are little boys being raised more like little girls, freedom of expression and emotion, we can do this,. >> that's actually a fantastic segue to what i was going to ask i had a boy and had i had a girl i knew exactly what i was going to do, and part of raising a little boys like how i raise him to understand all of these things so i hope it comes in with hillary clinton being president for eight years. [applause]. but my question to you is your advice on how to raise the little boy to understand, i think you hear all the needs and we saw the other, i don't want to reason that is just normal.
>> in our thinking when you're saying that means the old languages, the old cultures, the turkeys language rebecca adams can tell us here in the bengali language, a lot of the old languages don't have gender. they don't have he and she. people are people, what a concept. so the question is, who who is that child as a unique individual. because that child is the result of a millennia upon millennia of heredity and environment combined in a way that could never have happened before and can never happen again, so if we try to see who each kid uniquely is, then we'll have a huge range, sometimes i think the
world is divided into two kinds of people, those who divide things into and those who do not. [applause]. i think we have to cut that out. stop dividing everything into two. masculine and feminine, is made up, it's bs. [applause]. but that's the irony, that's a big irony of where we are because on the one hand gender does not exist, race race does not exist, class does not exist, in real terms, the individual is bigger than the group difference, but we are born with brains much i don't know 85% of our brains or something develop after birth, and this makes us incredibly influence a bowl, the good news is we are adjustable and the bad news is we are adjustable, but if we can just
keep it grip on these things at the same time, these categories do not exist but they are very real to us because we have grown up with them and we have the fun of challenging them and stretching them every day and trying to figure out who we uniquely are and support other people in who they uniquely are, i i think we're seeing this much more, aren't we gender is much more out the window than it ever was when i was growing up. people changing gender, okay i'm going to stop there. i'm just so worried about what's going to happen tomorrow because we met tonight. , so you don't have to do anything at that suggestion, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do, but if you
can't hear i bet you share interests and values, try introducing yourself to three or four people you don't know before you leave. say what you doing, what you care about, what is coming up that needs help, and who knows what might happen. as a result of all of us being here tonight, who knows. let's come back a couple years from now find out. how this was a huge point of change [applause]. thank you [applause].
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