tv Book Discussion on The Generals CSPAN December 26, 2015 11:00pm-12:01am EST
disobedience. i think very few of us would played anyone who tried that. >> host: going into a neighboring state and then bringing it back to one that doesn't is okay? is that legal? >> you could bring your treatment if it was in a pill form i believe you can bring it back to your state but depending on what is happening with you you made that position there for treatment there are so many conditions that are so individual is hard to give a blanket answer but if they have a particular question we will try to answer as best we can at the institute >> which states are you headed to next year? >> we're hoping all of them
will hear about this and get going pennsylvania and ohio are considering. there will be movement in vermont. it has passed in virginia virginia, florida, texas, a large state the first date was colorado which was a democratic stronghold. and texas which is fairly conservative again it nearly had unanimous support and it isn't that the law is perfect och or they will solve every problem that exists but it is such a tremendous improvement over what we have now that is closed door if you have a terminal illness to exhaust conventional treatments there are a lot of drugs that can prolong lives. is such an incredible
improvement over where we are today but i will draw people to the chapters in the book where i talk about the term investigational and experimental a baby in the united states but there are dozens or maybe even hundreds of drugs approved in the european union in israel, japan and other countries the standard operating procedure that works better like chemotherapy so we call on congress and that fda to allow for reciprocity if it is approved overseas through a legitimate regulatory agency, let our patients have access. >> host: i am looking forward to following this story. i hope we can see different ways for the right to try a
he will talk and read for about a half hour. then he will take questions for 15 or 20 minutes more. we encourage questions and we just need you to ask them from the microphone right over there. also so everyone can be involved and for our c-span audience. it's great to welcome winston back to d.c. where he was born and worked as a reporter for the washington star. he's an author of both fiction and nonfiction with novels including as summers die and force gone. histories including shiloh 1862, and tonight's book, the generals. one of his gifts on display is the ability to flush out the characters of these three influential but different leaders, discussing their expenses in the first world waru and giving us insights on how experiences shape their personalities. another gift is his style. that makes this work of history informative and a page turner. please welcome winston groom. [applause]. first i would like to thank everybody for coming out to hear
me on this lovely saturday afternoon in washington d.c. i have been on a book to her for couple weeks now. one of the first questions i'm usually asked when i do a tv or radio show is why did you choose three's three men from the second world war? the answer is, they embody, i believe certain characteristics of courage, character and patriotism which seem to be traits that are on the wane somewhat today. i don't think we are going to find out if that's a a problem until we, god for bid, have another big war. the second question i think is pertinent that people have asked is what do you think these three
generals would do today in the face of the enemies that we are looking at. of course these unfortunate events in france last night give new meaning to these questions. i think i'm going to address it right off the bat by saying, i don't know what they would do obviously, but i think i think what they would do is they would assemble a reinforced mechanized infantry division of which there are about a half dozen in this country at the present. they would take them over to where those isis people are and these people are about 20,000 of
the best trained, toughest, well armed in supportive, meanest sons of bitches on the planet. they would go to those isis people in about a week. however, the two generals would not have the authority of course to do this deed. it would have to come from administration. i don't know what is going to happen with this administration. these isis people, i can tell like anybody with a brain can tell, that they are very dangerous. right now they are either occupying or seeking to occupy several countries in the middle east. with all of those countries assets resources, if they consolidate they will have the ability to purchase very dangerous weapons of map mass
destruction. sooner or later they will have to be dealt with. so, with that that in mind, let's continue. these three guys, they were 18th century men. they were born in the 1880s. he graduated from west point and they served in the philippines and before the turn-of-the-century and after the turn-of-the-century, along the first world war on the mexican border. they became heroes. general marshall is a traffic organizer. always was and always had been. he became the chief of staff ultimately.
the other was a colonel at that point, douglas macarthur, and general patent became involved in tanks. that was very important at that time. he led an enormous attack. let's go back and look at general macarthur. after the first world war he became the superintendent at west point. he remained a general. he then became the army's chief of staff and later in the 1930s, he resigned from the army to become a fueled marshal of the philippine army. the filipinos were worried about the japanese. macarthur told them he could
assemble an army and it would take ten years but he thinks they could defend the philippines. while they ran out of time. general marshall, he continued with his organizing skills. he didn't have to stay in the army. he was offered a job by a banking format jp morgan as vice president where he would've made millions of dollars, but he was a soldier and that's what he was trained to do and that's what he did. he turned them down. it wasn't necessary for general patent to stay in the mark army either because he was the richest man in the army. he would go to military bases as a young lieutenant with a string of ponies and a yacht.
they didn't begrudge him because he was the best polo player in the army and the best yachtsmen in the air army. in 1912 he participated in the olympics in sweden in an event which came from the old greek olympics where you have a marshall event. you have about half an dozen different things that you do. in the old greek version actually kill one another but in the new version they set it up to be something we had to ride and fight and swim and shoot a pistol. patton, at that point, was a
captain and he was very good at all of these things. he was the best horsemen in the army. he was one of the best shots in the army. he was the best soldier in the army. he had learned to swim around catalina island because his family owned it. [laughter] he made lifelong friends of his competitors. each of these men had to live up to something, and their family, their fathers usually. he had won the congressional medal of honor in the civil war
and became the commander general of the army. in macarthur's youth, he was still a young captain and he remembers as a child, being seven or eight years old, he learned to ride and shoot before he learned to read and write. general marshall's father, they were from pennsylvania, his dad was a very successful businessman until his business failed. there is no way of really telling, telling, but it's my suspicion that george marshall was such a great organizer because he was trying to live up to not failing as his father had done. he was a superb organizer.
george patton's father was a lawyer. he had missed all the wars that we fought, but his grandfather had been a confederate general who was killed in one of the last battles of the war. patton had grown up with stories about him, about his grandfather and he had always wanted to be a soldier almost from the day he was born. he was always nervous that he wouldn't live up to the bravery of his ancestors. he was always tempting death to find out. one day in the battlefields in france and world war one, they
found themselves talking to each other. many of the men were down in foxholes. there was a barge coming which they could see. they continue the conversation as patton later wrote to his wife because neither one of us wanted to be the first one to say we better get down. so they let it roll right over them. they weren't hurt, but that is the kind of stuff that these kind of men were made of. they were oblivious to danger. they were walking through the battlefield standing up trying to find out what was going on.
he did that at the beginning of the war when the japanese attacked pearl harbor. at that point he had a good size american army. president roosevelt ordered general macarthur to leave the philippines. he was taken later to australia where he became the commander-in-chief of the southwest pacific army. he made about through the press and said i shall return. that quickly became, because this was the dark days of the war, he became the iconic slogan of all the americans. they heard this and this was something they wanted to do.
it was written on coffee cups in the bottom of ashtrays. it was engraved on walls and on trees. i shall return. and return he did. it took him three years. he developed a strategy and some people call it island hopping but what he really did his, the japanese had had years to occupy numerous islands. rather than take everyone of them, he would simply bypass them and leave the japanese on these islands to wither on the vine in his rear. it saved a heck of a lot of men because they were very ferocious fighters. he finally landed back in the
philippines and he almost lost that fight because admiral halsey who was the naval commander of the battleship and air carrier task force was decoy up a couple hundred miles out of the way by a japanese trick. they didn't have any planes on them but he sent them up as a sacrificial lamb because it got halsey out of the way. as soon as he was out of the way, general macarthur was there for about three days with the all his ammunition and transport ships out in the harbor there. suddenly, the entire japanese surface fleet appeared. they had come through the straits of san bernardino where
admiral halsey was supposed to have been to watch and make sure they didn't get through, but they came through and fortunately, i'm writing about this in my next book, it will be called the admirals. as you might expect. that morning there was a small task force of air force carriers that were half the size of the big aircraft carriers and basically no armory. they had 15 lunch guns and they were surrounded by three destroyers and three destroyer outlooks. this huge japanese ship was surrounded by battleships. it was a super battleship with
18-inch guns, bigger than any battleship in the world and certainly better armored. the american force, commanded by vicki, somebody reported to ziggy that they could see these huge ships on the horizon about 20 miles away using a big telescope. he said that's gotta be admiral halsey. a plane went up to look at it. they launched the plane and this guy said no it's not admiral halsey, it's japanese. he said it can't be, it has to be admiral halsey. take another look. the plane radioed back, sir they are shooting at me. i know it's the japanese. they have a big red sun on the flag. everybody went into a grand panic and they begged admiral
halsey to come back he was at that point engaged in the aircraft carriers, sinking one after another. he was very busy. to make a long story short, which i will, this little group of six destroyers and destroyer escorts and aircraft escort carriers held off the entire japanese surface fleet. the only thing i can compare it to, to, it's like a high school team beating the dallas cowboys. they lost over a thousand soldiers lives, but they distracted them enough from these little escort carriers and they weren't prepared for this. they said launch them anyway because if they sank, they would lose the planes. they would go straight for these battleships with machine guns.
every time you made a run, if they see you coming, he's going to change course. they slowed them down enough and finally after about three hours of this, the japanese commander orders his ship to go back north to reorganize. that was the original plan. when he finally got all his ships together he discovered about 13 of them had been sunk. so he went back to the san bernardino straits and general macarthur had continued on his mission. but if they had gotten through, they would've sunk all their supplies and equipment and they would've murdered everybody on that beach. they had bullets the size of a full-grown hawk.
anyway, in the meantime, back to the story. general patton, while general macarthur was winning his battles in new guinea, patton took command of the invasion of north africa. he landed in morocco, and the enemy there was not the germans or the italians, at that point, it was the french army that was being commanded by this puppet yacht minh in france. the question was are they going to fight. while they did fight and they started shooting at macarthur's troops. he sent a message to the french commander and said if you don't
surrender the city by 5:00 o'clock this afternoon, i will have it destroyed. they could look out there and see all the big warships. they could have leveled that city in about a half hour. so they surrendered. patton was successful and of course god himself them all the newsreels he then conquered sicily before going on to england. there he commanded a dummy army. it was designed to fool them. it didn't have any troops but it had a lot of radio traffic. this was because of the infamous slapping incident where he lost control of himself and found a soldier in a a hospital ward who was there for some kind of combat fatigue and general
patton did not believe in combat fatigue so he jerked the soldier up and gave them a browbeating. this was reported by the hospital doctors and when they found out about it they initially didn't do anything about it. he put a letter in his file. but then the press got a hold of it and yes he had been slapping the soldiers. that's a violation of military law. anyway general eisenhower was thinking of finding general patent. of these three men, two of them had enormous egos. general partial had practically no ego at all. he could have, if he wanted to, a point himself to take command of the european invasion which was probably the most dreamed of job by any military commander.
general marshall had not ever had the opportunity to do that. they asked him to stay in washington because they thought he was a calming influence, so to speak on the usual tensions between the army and the navy and what later became the air force. so general marshall did one of the selfish things and he said yes sir, i'll stay here. at the same time he realized that he had two very temperamental people on his hands in general patent and general macarthur. general macarthur was making very unkind statements about washington and the general staff in the pacific because he felt he wasn't getting the right kind
of support and supplies and in fact he wasn't because winston churchill came to an agreement and said most of the stuff over to europe and the i lies so general mcarthur was getting the short end of the stick and he didn't like it. so he began to talk to the press about it which is a politics thing for the general to do, unless he's the head general which he wasn't. they looked at all of this and they kept eisenhower from firing patton. they realize that both these men were indispensable in the winning of that war and the shortening of that war. they probably would've one anyway i i suspect, but they shorten the war. in any case, you know what
happens in the story. in france, they sadly unleashed general patton away from his dummy army. he was like a race horse that had been in append too long. they had already landed the invasion army but they were stuck in normandy and he saw way to break out of normandy and he first came to the scene but he liberated paris and they stopped him because they ran out of supplies, the reason being that we were giving the supplies such as gasoline and ammunition to the british.
they were trying to catch up and eisenhower was trying to play the politician. general patent counteracted this his strategy was this, let me explain it first, in the depression the poor people or the hobos would go to somebody on the back door and they would knock on the door and they would have a cup of water with the rock in it. maybe two or three rocks. they would say to the lady, ma'am i'm trying to make some soup and i wonder if you have an onion or some old celery i could put in here. so she would give him a carrot or an onion and he'd go back and
say ma'am i hate to ask you this, but do you have a potato or peelings of potatoes that i could put in my rock soup. oh yes, i have one. >> he'd go back and say it would sure be nice if i had just a piece of meat for my rock soup. so should give them that he'd walk away and the need to have soup to eat. so what he would do when he got stuck by general bradley, they would say you're going to far in the first thing he would do is pick a fight. that fight would get bigger and he knew that if his people were gonna fight he would employ that rock soup strategy. every time they said they were going to far too fast it would
be rock soup every time. "after words" he was in charge of the largest state in germany. general eisenhower had said they weren't want to employ nazis in any type of important position. general patton disobeyed this order. he did it because he said he was worried about the welfare of the people because they had a big winter coming on and there was a a big shortage of everything. especially firewood, food and things like that. patton didn't think some of the nancy's were so bad because some of them had to be nazis. some unfriendly press corps
members figured this out and they had a very unpleasant conference in which they got patton to admit this. eisenhower was eisenhower finally relieved him from one army and gave them commander of another army. but he was going home anyway. unfortunately a few days before he was supposed to return, he was going pheasant hunting and there was another general in one of the big army cadillac staff cars and the driver crossed over railroad track and there was a line of trucks coming the other way and one of them veered over to the lane and hit the left hand side of that car and nobody was hurt in the car but general
patton was propelled upward and forward and he struck his head on a steel object between the driver and the people in the back. it paralyzed him. apparently him to such an extent that he was doomed. the army immediately sent their top neurosurgeon. he was having his christmas dinner in the united states and the next day he was seeing general patton. general patton was perfectly clear of what he suspected would be his fate, but they gave him a ration of scotch every night, like johnny walker. his wife was over at the same time. the surgeon looked at the x-ray and then he went into the exam room and said what you think is going to happen to him? he said well, i don't know. he survived a long long time for this kind of injury.
he said will i ever be able to ride a horse again. he said no sir. he said thank you for that. within a week he ultimately sank and passed away. recently there were all these rumors that he was assassinated. that's nonsense. he's buried in an army cemetery in luxembourg. general marshall i think his career, after the war indicates that being in army officer, a very poor army officer doesn't necessarily prepare you for work. it all started off well enough. marshall saw that europe was frustrated after the war. they were unable to function there was no trade and a very
big danger that the communists were going to move in and take over. so he talked to the administration at that point it was the truman administration. he was such a towering figure that he made it on political. he went to the congress and asked for an unlimited amount of money to pull these countries through their tribulations. this was granted and it was done and it was one of the finest thing that this country has ever done. this was done on the dollars of the u.s. taxpayers. after that his career, it seemed to me was not as sterling as it might've been. he was too trusting of the russians. he had been working with the russians and the soviet union all during the second world war. we cooperated with each other. he didn't realize that once the
war was older over and they were safe in the soviet union that they wouldn't cooperate with us anymore. they simply begin to encroach more and more in europe. he spent a year, general marshall did, trying to sort out the differences between the communist leadernj÷ and he faild completely because he again tried to get them together to work together. they weren't going to do it. so he came home and he said i failed. so they made him secretary state. he was quite a gentleman. one of the nicest people. he was a fine man.
she must be doing something right if she's going to get 250,000 votes. all good things come to an end in the korean war developed in 1950. the north koreans who were divided at that time and we pledged to defend them. macarthur took what army he had up there which wasn't much because we disbanded our army but he had managed to throw about the communists and then get himself in an argument with president truman over how far back he should throw these or if they should stop somewhere. he wanted to negotiate and general mcarthur was not a good negotiator peer he was gonna win the war. president truman had issued an edict at some point that the military officer was not to make statements publicly until they cleared it with the white house. mcarthur was almost suicidal and
he went to the press and very publicly said to the chinese people that if they don't surrender to them within one week he is going to destroy them. this made president truman very angry and he fired general mcarthur. the sentiment at home is that he was brought back to enormous receptions in san francisco and new york city and he addressed both houses of congress with such a stirring and emotional speech. it was the old soldiers never die speech. they just fade away. that prompted the speaker the house to say that there was not a dry eye on the democrat side nora dry nor a dry seat.
he loves going to plays and he loved going to the movies. he was always a big movie fan. but in the year before his death, he was asked to make a speech. he agreed to do it. he told them that war was an abomination. if it was up to him he would abolish more. but then he quoted plato who had written that only the dead had seen the end of war. then he said the twilight is here but with thirsty ear, a
bugle is blowing and faraway drums are leading. in my dreams i hear the clash of guns and the arrival of muscat tree, the strange mutter of the battlefield. in the evening of my memories, they always come back to west point, duty honor and country. today marks my final role with you but i want you to know that when i cross the river, my last conscious thoughts will be of the core and the core and the core. two years later he was gone. he was the last one. and that's my speech. i appreciate it. [applause]. thank you.
>> we have time for a question if you quickly make your way to the microphone. thank you. >> i know you are selecting individuals from world war one and two but why not speak stick to eisenhower quest. >> that's a great question. the last book i wrote was about three guys who traveled aviation in the 20th century. jimmy doolittle who conducted the famous air raid on tokyo it and who else was it, i forget. lindberg, charles lindbergh. what i found was three people,
if you write about more than three people, it's hard on the reader and the writer. for some reason, there's been a lot of books out in a few years with two people, but i up the ante with three. i had to select three. obviously i wanted somebody in the pacific and that was general mcarthur. i looked at europe and i wanted a fighting general. that would be general patton. eisenhower is all over the book. they were great friends before the war. they lived next door to each other on several army posts and played poker together and drink whiskey together. i felt though, though, he was too far away from the action. general mcarthur was the most
colorful character and i wanted somebody in between. that would be general marshall because he was trying very hard to keep both of those guys from imploding before the war was over. i wanted somebody who was at the high staff command level because that gives the reader a better idea of what was going on in the big picture. that's it. >> my question was, i know that in recent years, years, patent has been reevaluated. there are many people who think that perhaps he was very popular general, he may not have been as good of a general as others. in your venue opinion how did he rate among his peers in the american army? was he the best tank general that we had or -- >> yes, i think think he was. he had some very fine skills and generals under him. in the army hierarchy they don't just grab a guy and put them in command.
that's not the way the army functions. it probably ought to function that way, way, but it doesn't. patton, of all those guys, was completely charismatic with his troops. even when the slapping incident became known, they loved him. eisenhower had ordered him, when the slapping incident came back, to apologize to the people he slapped in the doctors in the hospital. also to every division in his army with a regimen or brigade at the time. he did that. it was humiliating for him but he did it. he went to several brigades and he started to a apologize and they said no general, no. so his troops, to be in the third army under him was quite an honor for these people.
as far as i can read. i'm sure in some ways they didn't like it, but most of the people really liked him and seem to get along. to that answer it? good. >> to questions of i could. first, like father like son, you had mcarthur's father in your story. second, with regard to marshall, they started going after him. [inaudible] >> we've got mcarthur and his father. yes i think that mcarthur felt like he had to live up to his father. he loved his father. his father, at one point was the commander of the philippines and he took his young lieutenant son fresh out of west point and from the philippines he took him on
it two or of the far east including japan where he met the emperor. so he worshiped his father. he ultimately, he wanted the metal of honor. it was given to him really because they were afraid when they ordered them off the philippines that he would be accused by some people of deserting his troops. so giving him the medal of honor was meant to blunt that. the other question was about marshall. it wasn't just senator mccarthy. the people of this country were very disturbed at what was going on in china, especially. the question then became, who lost to china?
marshall was over there and he was supposed to save china, but he didn't. he wasn't able to. i don't know know if anybody would've been able to. we might have, instead of trying to get the communist and other people to negotiate, given arms and supported them militarily, but we were in no position after world war ii. this country -- that decision was made at the highest levels. marshall concurred -- mccarthy was a witch hunter as most people know. i don't know a lot about him but he decided to go after general marshall in a lengthy, in almost a book like speech. it was almost 70 pages that he made on the senate floor. he was accusing general marshall of everything under the sun including baby stealing.
i don't know. it was just the most wild accusation kind of thing that was ultimately unprovable. i do think in the end, he had something of a point that general marshall failed to appreciate the nature of the enemy he was dealing with. i don't think he really believed , although he was told, that the russians and the soviet communists were very much supporting and he didn't believe that. he was told by two or three generals under him. was it a failure? yes it was a failure. we fail all the time. i don't know, did that go anywhere? thank you. [inaudible] he said that patton drove his troops too hard and made them suffer from exhaustion and
casualties were higher than they should've been. i wonder if you could comment on that. >> i don't know. i have not seen any information on that. i have read a great deal about it in primary secondary sources. they were threatening to annihilate him and general patton was prepared to move with his tanks and it was a certainly pleasing follow. that's always hard. he trained the troops and he expected them to be able to do it and they did it. >> he promised to do it in 48 hours and they thought they should've taken a little more time. >> that's probably true but who knew how long would take for the german troops to finish them off. the weather was so bad that we
couldn't get air power. if we could get air power in their it wouldn't of been such an emergency, but the germans had chosen a time. in which there had been an overcast forecast for like a week and a half. it turned out, that the day he arrived on the scene with his army, the skies cleared and airplanes can bring a lot of hell on tanks. so we did that, but everybody's entitled to his opinion. i think he was terrific but again it's kind of second-guessing. i don't know about that part of it. i just know that we didn't lose an american infantry division.
thank you. >> thank you. >> in your research, i'd like to ask about what you thought about the relationship between mcarthur and marshall. my research, when mcarthur left his air force on the ground with nine hours advance notice and pearl harbor, they had a conversation about that. we don't know who said it, but there's no evidence that marshall held anything against mcarthur. it's strangely differential at the korean war with mcarthur and i just wondered what you thought about the relationships. >> i think the relationship, relationship, considering their temperament, was pretty doggone good.
after the philippine air force was destroyed, they had a conversation with mcarthur's air man that was very unpleasant. marshall was such an even temperament. he was chairman of the joint chief of staff but he went to visit mcarthur maybe twice. they got along fine. mcarthur though, would proceed to go get his press corps which he thought worked for him and say all these unkind things about those guys in washington and of course that would get back to them pretty quickly. marshall let it bounce off. he was trying to win the war.
>> were you ever aware of marshall, did he feel or express anger or contempt with mcarthur? did he ever express anger or contempt against mcarthur? >> i've got the transcript of all the tapes that general marshall made with in years before he died. i distinctively remember a line in their where he said to the transcriber, who was a sergeant or his aide, he had never made a public comment against general macarthur. i suspect he knew what he said. what he thought privately, he went to the grave with as far as i know.
i don't remember reading or seeing anything where he said anything because he didn't want the wild general macarthur. he was trying to keep the peace. that was his job. thank you. how we doing? >> i think were good. >> thank you all for coming [applause]. >> thank you to winston groom. the book is for sale up front. the line will be on the left if you want to get your book signed. you can just leave your chair where it is. thank you for coming. [inaudible conversation] >> you're watching book tv, nonfiction authors authors and books every weekend on c-span2.
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days to focus on and do you have international and national figures? >> the main focus was, let's make it interesting. let's make it days that historical events that people buy them large haven't heard of. everybody knows the titanic sank. that would be the obvious choice for a bad day but we were trying to avoid the obvious. so in the context of the titanic, for example, we chose a chose a couple days later when the manager of the white star line was rescued and landed back on shore and was immediately declared a a coward for having survived and clearly have an pushed a couple people out of the way on the rescue boat. so that was his bad day. >> talking about sports and cultural stories, one you talked about the university of michigan basketball team. >> yes this was the only all freshman team in college history. they were as cocky as cocky could be coming out on the floor. there was just a lot of
follow-ups and it all concluded with one of the fab five calling a timeout when there were no timeouts and lost the game miserably but it was all an example of humorous and arrogance being shown in its most naked form. kind of the other great sport sorry and that is the heidi bowl in one of the most intense super bowls with the jets and the raiders. nbc had scheduled a movie, heidi, to start precisely at nine pm. this was the last minute of the most exciting super bowl ever and they cut away and started showing heidi. all these people that are riveted and have no idea what's happening in the last couple minutes of the game, they do a crawl on the winner in the middle of heidi when the woman
is trying to climb out of her wheelchair, having fallen out of it and some sportswriters said nbc could not have made a worse choice because the heidi watchers were disturbed by the crawl and all the sports watchers were devastated and wild that nbc would cut away like that. >> from mrs. lincoln and kennedy and sports misfortune, michael farquhar is the author of bad days in history: a gleefully grim chronicle of misfortune, mayhem, and misery for every day of the year. >> thank you so much. :