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>> wow. anybody here watch "the five"? [applause] >> thank you. chris, i am honto >> i am honored to be here with new friends, jim and dana scavo have been my sponsors, and with an older friend -- an older -- no, i'm kidding. s [laughter] and tracy has become our good friend. our dogs met at palmetto bluff, jasper and grady. and if you follow us on
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facebook, you know their name is grasper. [laughter] i'm alsosoo honored that my husd could joino me. a lot of times you have to travel to these events by yourself, but you'll hear more about him as i talk about "and the good news is," which is the book that came out last april. and i have also -- before i start, i want to thank robin gold who, is she here? she has the cutest pink jacket on. [applause] robin has been holding my hand through all b of these schedulig changes. did you know we're in the middle of a primary season? [laughter] and she made all of this work for me. so i am just really honored, and thank you son much for coming ot on a chilly but really beautiful saturday in one of the best cities in america. [applause] you know, savannah, savannah, georgia, you know, i grew up out west and have lived in lots of
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different places, and i've found that this lawyer, the low country -- this area, the low country, is the closest i feel to home. thank you for welcoming my husband and i and jasper. and if youou come to the book signing afterward, the real attraction of the day iss going to be there. jasper will be outside. [laughter] [applause] all right. i was going w to tell this realy funny joke about being at a podium when i was at the white house and i was the deputy press secretary to tony snow, and he was 6-5, and i was, obviously, not. you might know -- remember -- as one of the best press secretaries the nation has ever seen. [applause]n. after he passed away in 2008, his daughter came here and just graduated last may.
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without tony snow, i wouldn't be here. [applause] anyway, so i'm not going to tell that funny joke, because i looked at my husband, and i said i can't tell that joke in a church. [laughter] so he's agreeing with me. i'll tell you, though, it's in the book. if you come across it and you figure out the joke i could not tell you in a church, send me a note on facebook, and i'll respond to you. so i'll tell you this joke instead. so my book is called "and the good news is." i'm to going to explain why it's called that. the book is really about lessons of gratitude and humility and character. humility being one of the most important things that you can learn, because i've had all these amazing experiences. i was the first republican woman to serve as white house press secretary, and i served during times of terror threat and financial crisis and all sorts of other things that were going on in the world as any press
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secretary does. and i had this transition into television. and i had an opportunity to go up to new york and be on "the phi," and it was a little bit -- "the five." it was traumatic, leaving d.c. and getting to new york. before this was a jasper, there was a henry which you would read about in the book. and i get to new york, and i'm out of place. i grew up on a cattle ranch, so new york's so different. and i was a little frantic. and i really wasn't sure what i was doing with my life. and i got invited to the jets' owners' box, woody and suzanne johnson invited peter and i to come. peter grew up in -- well, he was an air force brat. so he grew up all over, but he's british, but he came to america and he became a citizen in 2005? 4? 6? 2006. he remembers that day very well. and he loves any american event,
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okay? parades, sporting events, dinners at the white house. he would go to any american event. so i came back and said, pete, do you want to go to the jets game? it's like -- you know, you've watched "the five," you know i don't know a lot about sports. but i did know it was going to be catered by nobu. [laughter] so we went to the game, and we walk in. i'm not sure what i'm doing. i was the white house press secretary, now i'm not really sure what i'm doing. now i have this show, but nobody knows if it's going to be a success. that was five years ago. this guy sees me and he goes, oh my gosh, i love you! [laughter] i watch your show every day. i think you are amazing. you are so smart. i wish that every young american would listen to you, we would be so much better off. i was just -- wow, you're amazing. and i thought, wow, maybe i've finally accomplished something.
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[laughter] this is great. and then he says, and could i say you look great after the baby. [laughter] and i realized, oh, he thinks i'm megyn kelly. [laughter] [applause] and i didn't tell him i wasn't. [laughter] and i tell megyn that story now, and she says i'm going to take that as a compliment. i said, well, so will i. mistaken identity is something that's funny. if you have a little public notoriety, you can be humbled if somebody mistakes you for somebody else. it actually happened to president george w. bush. on the first day out of office, january 22nd, 2009, think about it. he'd had security for 16 years. he finally gets back to dallas. he calls it the promised land, and mrs. bush calls it the after life. [laughter]
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and he says to the secret service team, i want to go to the hardware store like a normal perp, and i want to -- person, and i want to shop around, because i'm going to make this man cave, and i'm going to paint things, and it's going to be awesome. so he asks the secret service, can we do that? yeah, okay. so they decide they're going to dress in khakis. they're going to go incognito to the hardware store, which i think is funny because they went in three suvs. [laughter] but they're trying. so they get there, secret service melts into the background, and he says, thank you so much, i'm going to shop around. he's on his own, and this guy's walking by him, and he says anyone ever tell you that you look like george w. bush? [laughter] and the president said, all the time. [laughter] and the guy said sure must make you mad. [laughter] and he says, oh, you have no
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idea. [laughter] his gentle wit and humility drew me to him early on. i was a big fan of his. i love compassionate conservativism. i was a young staffer on capitol hill. i didn't know him. i didn't even know anybody who knew him. but early on in 1998 i said i hope he runs for president. a couple years later barbara walters is doing a special in the lead-up to the 2000 election, and she's doing an interview with al gore and george w. bush. and i remember the one was 43, i call him 43 because he was the 43rd president. so governor bush is walking along, and she says, governor bush, if you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be? [laughter] it's like a hard-hitting interview question. and president bush right away says, well, barbara, i'm not a tree. [laughter] i'm a bush. [laughter]
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and i said, i'm voting for him. [laughter] so living life with that gentle, witty humor, it's been a plus for me to be around him and to sort of embrace my own humility and the character, the importance of character. elections are about character. people you surround yourself are about character. and i didn't actually understand that i had written a book about character until megyn kelly's husband, a novelist, doug brunt, said to me this is a parenting book about living with character and surrounding yourself with people of character. so i had worked on many other books. before i was the white house press secretary, i was the deputy. and i always tell people, always take the deputy job. you have to work holidays and weekends, but that's when you get to know the boss, you learn
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how to do the job. when there's an opportunity, you can step up. so i had left the white house, and i was called upon to do publicity for karl rove's book, laura bush's book, i got a call from 43, he asked me to do the publicity tour for his book. recently peggy noonan's book that just came out, "time of our lives," i was editorial director on that book, and i liked being behind the scenes. i had never really thought of writing my own book, although every press secretary sort of thinks about all the experiences that they've had, and they think they want to tell that story. and i'd remembered one time on the train between d.c. and new york i had written down -- if i were to write a book, what would it look like? and at the top of the page in block letters it said, "not political." because i didn't want to write a book like that. well, the guy who edited president bush's book, "decision
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points," his name's sean december monday. this is an amazing -- desmond. this is an amazing editor. he had known me when i worked with president bush on "decision points," and he had asked me, do you have a book in you? i said, no, i'm just behind the scenes. he said what about all your stories? you tell such great stories about president bush. i just remembered, i had taken that piece of paper from the amtrak train, and it was in my wallet for three years. and i said i don't know why i remembered it all of a sudden. i pulled it out, and i said, well, i do have this. this is my book proposal. like a ripped-up piece of paper folded in my wallet for three years. and sean looked at it, and he said leave this with me. and he went to his bosses there, and he said i think we should do a book with her. and they said that book will never sell. if she wants to do something political, we'd love to have it. and i said, well, i'm not doing that. i was a little humiliated, i think as probably most authors
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are initially. i put the idea up on the shelf and walked away. and then sean desmond went to another publisher. my publisher, twelve. i was one of the first calls that he made, what if we do your book here? his new team gave him a lot of room to run, and he helped me structure the book. i wanted to fill in the gaps of history about president bush and also provide some mentoring advice to young people who didn't go to ivy league colleges or young people who might have narrow horizons and to let them know that you, too, could end up advising the president in the oval office. and so sean desmond said you can't really start a book at age 36 as the white house press secretary. you have to explain what happened before that. and that's where the stories of character first come in. my grandfather, leo perino sr., was the first generation of italian immigrants. they had homesteaded and mined
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coal up in the western county region. it's funny, jim scavo, my respond sor, he and i have this strange connection because now there's finally some good development happening there. he's involved in, and the pictus you sent me today put me right back home. it's right by mount rush more, for orientation. i started off talking about how we would drive on the cattle ranch, and my sister and i would be there. i was 7, maybe 8, and we're driving along in the gravel road, and my grandfather would tease my sister and say, oh, did you see the smurfs over there? there -- pop -- there's smurfette. and my sister loved it. i got the joke, i just went along with it. we're having great time, and i remember we're driving along going across the cattle guard, and we see that one of my grandfather's horses had fallen through and broken his leg. and he was writhing in pain, and
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my grandfather, kind of a softie. u.s. marine, world war ii veteran, but big, soft heart especially for animals. he pulls to a stop, and he reaches back for the rifle hung securely in the window. and he tells me and his sister, get down and don't look up. so i remember i was trying not to look up, but when someone tells you not to look up, it's like don't look at that guy. what guy? [laughter] i remember i looked up, and in the frame of the window of the truck my grandpa had this rugged face and tanned skin, but i saw this single tear come down his cheek as he shot the horse. i think he knew, and he reached over, and he grabbed my leg, and he squeezed it all the way back up to the house. and i always think i felt, hopefully, that some of that character was seeping in to me as well. leading. i just got -- last week i got to
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go to the barbara bush foundation celebration of reading. she still is very active in literacy issues. a lot of people who end up writing books, they love to read. everybody here in this room loves to read or wants to meet jasper. [laughter] i promise you, he's coming. i love to read, and i talked to my mom this morning because i was trying to remember how we ended up going to -- well, here's the thing. she would take me to target. you wouldn't do this today with your grandchildren where you'd take them to target, and you'd park them at the book section, and then you go and do all the shopping, and you come back and get them. my mom said don't tell that story, i sound like a horrible parent. [laughter] back then you could do that. and i used to sit there, and i would read one book by the time they finished, and i remember i read sheila the great by judy blume. and that was my first instance of saying to my mom, but don't we have to pay for this? [laughter] my mom said, okay, we're going to the library. we checked into two different
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libraries because you can only get seven books. i found out i could get 14. because i would read them on the way home. and my mom could not keep us in books. we were readers along the way, but there was one instance of reading when i was a kid that again goes to this character point that then helps me in my career later on. when i was in third grade, my dad required me to read the rocky mountain news and the depp very post every day -- denver post every day before he came home from work. i had to pick out two articles to discuss with him, and he would help me think through my arguments and my critical thinking skills. when i was writing the book, i thought back to that quickly. there was one moment on marine one, i don't remember what the issue was, but we were dealing with a controversial issue. it was a bush administration, nothing but controversial issues. [laughter] whatever it was, my opinion was unpopular amongst the senior staff. we were on marine one, and the president looked at me and said what do you think i should do?
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i thought back to that moment at the kitchen table and how important it is for fathers or a male dominant figure, a grandfather to spend time with young girls to give them the ability and the confidence that they will need later on in their life. because i then was anal able to look at president bush and say this is what i think and hold to it x. it was unpopular, and i remember he looked out the window for a minute, we kept riding. i didn't say anything. it was a negotiation, you don't say anything. he turns back around and he looks at the deputy chief of staff and says, she's exactly right. and i always thank my dad for giving me a little bit of that ability. but, you know, when you're sitting on the barnyard fence thinking you'll never leave wyoming, you don't think you're going to end up in the oval office. my first time in the oval office, i got kicked out. [laughter] i asked president bush about on his book tour, and he didn't remember it, and he told me i had to get over it, but i'll
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tell you the story now, because it has a little bit to do with peter. [laughter] i mentioned part of the book is about advice. so the first part of the book is a little bit of the memoir and the stories about george w. bush that i thought were important to tell because of the historic record. everybody knew about the policies and politics, but there were very few people who knew him from the behind-the-scenes, human perspective that i did. he and i were meeting in the oval office kind of for the first time. it was january 2005, i was brand new as a deputy press secretary. i'm not even sure he knew my name at the time. but dan bartlett, the communications director, asked me to go into the oval office to sit in on an interview. dan said, don't worry, you don't have to brief him, you just have to sit there. i'm going to come and brief him, but i've got to go to this other meeting. sit there during the interview and report back to me, you can do that. i've done enough of those, that's fine. i'm excited. i get to go to the oval office, and i'm learning to dan how best
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to brief president bush, and the president says, wait, i'm not doing an interview with that guy. and he says but, boss, mr. president, you said you would do an interview. no, no, i said i would talk to him. i didn't say i would do an interview. so you can see the little miscommunication. and the president was right, actually, he shouldn't have done an interview, because it would have looked like he was negotiating with the iranians through this columnist who had just been to iran. so he and dan are having this tussle. finally, the president has his find -- final answer, and the president says i'm not doing an interview and, therefore, she doesn't need to be here. [laughter] he gave me one of these see yourself out. i was so mortified. i barely even know my way to the press secretary's office which is about 30 paces. but i get there, and i had this little room where you have a door that slid shut. so i closed the door, and i called peter, and i was a little
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tearful on the phone, and i said, "i just got kicked out of the oval office." crying. peter says, "well, just think: for the rest of your life you can say i've been kicked out of better places than this." [laughter] [applause] and that is, actually, one of the reasons why in my advice portion of my book i break it out into things you can do today at the office to improve your situation, things you should do over your career and the things you should do over the time of your life. the last piece of advice in that section which is my favorite piece of advice in the book is that choosing to be loved is not a career-limiting decision. or it doesn't have to be. and peter and i met on an airplane. it's kind of a sweet story. we did something different in this book. he tells the story better than i do. i mean, he has a british accept.
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it's really hard to compete with that. but he tells the story better than i do. when i was writing the book -- well, he was watching football, and i'm trying to write, and i finally said what if you wrote this portion? so i outsourced a little bit of the work. he wrote it, we put it in italics in the book, and it really is a sweet story about how we met on an airplane by chance on a flight he almost took a different flight, i almost missed the flight. we just happened to be assigned seats next to each other. denver to chicago, two-hour flight. love at first sight. i moved to england seven months later, and that was 18 years ago. so -- [applause] and if you think about it, you know, i didn't know, i didn't even -- as i said, i didn't even know george bush beforehand, so my life changed so dramatically, and peter has allowed me to grow professionally and personally. so thank you, peter. i know you're not supposed to do this, but i've got you as a captive audience. i didn't know you weren't
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supposed to read at a reading. apparently, this is a rule. the reason i'm going to read this is it's hard for me to get through it. i came early today to make sure that i was here to listen to travis mills. travis mills and i met not long ago at an event in new york. and he and i share, as i said, we shared a commander in chief and this affection for president bush. and this story that i'm about to read to you briefly is about a scene that nobody knew about until this book was written. about a wounded warrior visit at bethesda naval which is right next to walter reed that travis mills, the author that spoke before me for those of you that weren't here, this is one of those scenes. one second. it is called, "i think he wants the president." news of america's military men and women were wounded in iraq and afghanistan almost
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overwhelmed me on sunday. i may have sounded strong when i was talking to the press, but sometimes i had to push my feelings way down in order to get any words out of my mouth to make statements and answer questions. the hardest days were when president bush went to visit the wounded or families of the fallen. the if it was tough for me, you can only imagine what it was like for the families and for a president who knew that it was his decisions that led troops into battles where they fought valiantly but were severely injured or lost their lives. on a morning in 2005, i was asked to go on behalf of scott mcclellan to walter reed with president bush. we started in the intensive care unit. the chief naval officer briefed the president on our way into the hospital about the first patient we'd see. he was a young marine who had been injured when his humvee was hit by a roadside bomb. after his rescue, he was flown to germany. at his bedside were his participants, wife and 5-year-old son. what's his prognosis, the
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president asked? well, sir, we don't know because he has not opened his eyes since he arrived, so we haven't been able to communicate with him. we had to wear a mask because of the risk of infection to the patient. i watched carefully to see how the family would react to president bush, and i was worried that they might be mad at him and blame him for their loved one's situation, but i was wrong. the family was so so excited the president had come. they gave him big hugs and thanked him over and over. then they wanted to get a photo, so he gathered them all in front of eric draper, the white house photographer, and he asked, is everybody smiling -- which was pretty funny since we were all wearing masks. [laughter] the soldier was intubated. the president talked quietly with the family. i looked up to the ceiling so that i could hold back tears. after he visited with them for a bit, the president turned to the military aide, and he said, okay, do the presentation. the wounded soldier was being awarded the purple heart, given to troops that suffer wounds in combat. everyone stood silently while
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the military aide presented the award. at the end of it, the president was wearing this blue jacket, and the son pulled on it. the little boy said, "what's a purple heart?" and the president got down on one knee, and he said it'sen an award for your dad because he is so very brave and courageous and because he loves his country so much. and i hope you know how much he loves you and your mom too. and as he hugged the boy, there was a commotion from the other side of the room, and the medical staff started to go towards the bed. the marine had just opened his eyes. and i could see him from where i stood. the naval officer held the medical team back and said, hold on, guys. i think he wants the president. the president jumped up and rushed to the side of the bed, and he cupped the marine's face in his hands, and they locked eyes. after a couple of moments the president without breaking eye contact said to the military aide, read it again. and so we stood silently as the
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military aide presented the marine with the award for a second time. the president had tears dripping from his eyes onto the marine's face. as the presentation ended, the president rested his forehead on the marine's for a moment, and now everyone was crying for so many reasons; the sacrifice, the pain and suffering, the love of country, the belief in the mission and the witnessing of a relationship between a soldier and his commander in chief that the rest of us could never fully grasp. in writing this book i contacted several military aides to help me figure out who he was because in my note taking as deputy, i didn't write it down, and i had hoped so much that he had survived, but he did not. he died during surgery six days after president bush's visit. he is buried at arlington. and that was the first patient we saw. we had 26 more to go. one mom and dad of a dying soldier from the caribbean were devastated. the mom was just beside herself with grief, and she yelled at the president wanting to know
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why was it my daughter -- my son and not your daughters that were in that hospital bed. and the president didn't leave. he sat there like he wanted to absorb some of her grief if he could. later, as we rode back on marine one to the white house, no one spoke. it was silent. but as the helicopter took off, the president looked at me and said, "that mama sure was mad at me." then he turned to look out the window of the helicopter, and he said, "and i don't blame her a bit." one tear slipped out the side of his eye down his face. he didn't wipe it away, and we flew back to the white house. [applause] and there were other wonderful stories -- i guess i can tell this in a church. on the last weekend before we turned the white house over to president and mrs. obama, we went to norfolk, virginia, for the commissioning of his
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father's aircraft carrier, the george h.w. bush. 41, he is 91 years old. he follows that ship every day. they send him, you know, all the information, and he knows exactly where it is. and i remember -- i don't really -- i don't want to take up too much time. so many good stories. i remember we were there and i was nervous because there was a very high -- i can't reveal anything, but a very high level of threat of a terrorist attack because in anytime of a transition from one administration to the next, there's this period of instability, and that's a weak point. so i was nervous because everybody who was anybody was at this ship commissioning. and i was standing in the back. now, one thing you learn as a press secretary is that the reporters, they don't always watch the president for what's happening, they watch the press secretary. and i was sitting there just watching. beautiful, cold day but sunny sky, and i got a tap on my shoulder from a secret service
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agent, and he leans in and says the president needs you at the helicopter in five minutes. and i thought, oh, my gosh, what is happening? i didn't want to make a sudden move, but i thought we have to evacuate. so i slipped back into the ship that we were staying on, and i ran to the helicopter. and there's condi rice and the blades are going, so we couldn't really talk. i'm buckling up, and i'm nervous. the president bounds on, and he says let's go see the seals. [laughter] and it was his idea. he wanted to go see the navy seals one last time as commander in chief. so we flew over there, and we get into this hangar. dick cheney's giving a speech. they go wild when president bush comes in, and there's all these -- like 400 young men, young american men with really long beards. so you can imagine that this is not the typical american guy look. and the president speaks to them from the heart, no notes, and they will not stop applauding. even he's asking them to sit down, and i thought that's one order they do not have to obey.
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but he wanted to take pictures with everybody, so i went to the back of the room, and these two seals came up to me and said, excuse me, are you the press secretary? i was oklahomaed that they knew -- honored that they flew who i was. yes. can we get our picture taken with you? wow, sure. they're awe-inspiring to be around, navy seals. so i just asked -- i wanted to make some small talk, so i said to the first one, what makes you want to be a navy seal? family tradition? sense of adventure? chance to travel? and the first seal said to me, oh, no, ma'am. chicks dig it. [laughter] and i said even with the beard? he said, oh, yeah, they get it. and so i asked the second one, i said, when you are preparing to go wherever it is you may be going, do you have to take a lot of language courses? and he says, oh, no, ma'am. we're really not there to talk. [laughter]
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i got on the helicopter and i told the president that story, and he threw his head back, and he said, god, i love those guys. [laughter] i also talk in the book about the transition to television. i really have to credit fox news, in particular roger ailes, bill shine, suzanne scott and john finley who saw something in me that i didn't see in myself. i didn't know that i could shoot the breeze with four other people and have a great time on television and actually make a living doing it. i have had more fun and learned so much. and it's like all of these things that i studied, from my dad reading me the papers to being the white house press secretary to being interested in journalism and now having a chance to be orb on, i think, the third most popular show in cable news. it is blessings upon bless,. a lot of humility that comes with that, and my co-hosts have helped me with that. i'll ask gutfeld if he'll come
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here next year. just make sure you have a lot of wine. [laughter] i'm going to -- i want to get to your questions, but i i want to tell you how i end the story because as i mentioned, we are in a primary season. primary seasons are the worst, especially for a party that doesn't have either running for re-election -- so remember in 2012, obama didn't have any, president obama did not have any opposition. so they just breezed right through. in the meantime, we were bashing each other over the head on the republican side. now it's similar on both sides even though we didn't anticipate a big ballot on the democratic side. hillary clinton, one of the candidates, is getting a battle from bernie sanders. and then, of course, there's the republicans, and the battle is joined. later tonight there will be a debate. and i remember how uncomfortable it was. in fact, i write in the book about a moment where a president and a press secretary are like this. and if they're not like this,
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you can't be a good press secretary. and right before -- president bush was scheduled to go and speak at the minnesota convention in 2008. there was a hurricane on the horizon that was going to hit the east coast of texas, and john mccain and sarah palin made it pretty clear that the president wasn't welcome at the convention. they waited a long time, they sort of danced around it. and the president decided not to go, and we were there. he gave a statement that was played live on television and on the floor of the convention. and at the end of it as the president walked over to me, he said do you think they know they're insulting me? that's a hard question. right? because, one, you have to have total honesty when you're a press secretary, but you don't want to hurt someone's feelings. and i had to say, yes, sir, i believe they do. but it was such a freeing moment maybe for him, but certainly for me. because that's when i realized that more important than
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politics always is the character. and on the last day when he was in office, i got to go to the oval office, and he wrapped his arm around me, and he said, you know, the first day i walked in here, i looked at myself in the mirror, and i said i want to be able to look at the same man on my last day in office, and i think i can do that. and he said he's going to take one last walk around the south lawn. and he put on his duster and his hat, and he left, and i thought there goes a great president. and i miss him very much. and i'm grateful to be his friend. but in my book, i also call for civility in public discourse. and i'll end with this funny story, and i'll take your questions. i don't mind if you start lining up because we want to get to as many questions as we can. remember, if you don't line up, c-span can't get your question. i don't mind as i finish telling this story. so it's january 2005. remember, i was junior bird man. the president didn't even know my name.
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i'd just gotten kicked out of the oval office. i was just feeling my way, and i got invited to the gridiron dinner. it's the best one in washington, i love it. and it's always very humorous and fun. and peter, who loves a great american event, was disappointed because there wasn't a spouse's ticket. he didn't get to go. so i had to go on my own. i had two black dresses, one short, one long, and i just alternated them for events. i probably should have tried a little harder. but i wore the long dress because it's a formal, white tail event -- or tux and tails, whatever that's called. i'm from wyoming, i don't really do that thing. and i get there, and i'm at "usa today"'s table, and sitting across from me is the junior senator from illinois, barack obama. and he and i laughed our butts off for four hours. i had so much fun. he was -- there was a lot of buzz around him. he had just been elected, he just got to town, he'd had that great convention speech in 2004, and everybody wanted to be around him. so i had his full attention, and he wanted to know all about my
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story, where i grew up in wyoming, wanted to know about peter, all about washington. it was just so much fun. he took me over to meet michelle during one of the breaks. and i got home and peter said how was your night, you know, jealous that he didn't get to go to the great american event. and i said, i've gotta tell you, peter, i sat across from barack obama, the new senator from illinois, and i think he could be president in, like, 20 years. [laughter] so three years later -- [laughter] i'm now the press secretary, and the financial crisis is happening, john mccain suspended his campaign, calls barack obama into the oval office. we're going to meet in the cabinet room for that meeting. and 43 walks in, and i'm following behind my boss. you know, i'm a good staffer, follow bemind. and i'm the kind of person i never expect anyone to remember me, so i'm always reintroducing myself. so obama's shaking hands with everyone, and as he turns towards me, i go to introduce myself, and he says, oh!
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dana perino. and he wraps me in this big hug. and he says, sir, you might not remember -- and he stops me, and he says, not remember? that was my favorite night in all of washington. [laugher] and i sat down, blushing, and the deputy chief of staff leans over to me and says, what was that all about? [laughter] and i said, i'll tell you later. but i just might vote for him too. [laughter] i didn't. [laughter] i'm going to tell just one more story about gratitude. senator john warner, who was senator at the time, i remember filling in for tony snow be, and tony was going through a lot of cancer treatments, so i had to go to this dinner for him. it was another press dinner. hollywood gives themselves a lot of awards, but they have nothing on the press. every night you could go to a different awards dinner. tony snow's spot, and i was thinking of all the work that was piling up, and i really didn't belong there because i
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was just the deputy. and at the end of the night, senator warper -- you guys all know who senator warner is? that amazing actor married to elizabeth taylor? he comes up to the dais, and he says, dana, dana, dana, i was waving to him, and i thought he would want me to pass a message to the president. i said, yes, sir? do you mind if i give you a little advice? what do i say? it's a senator. he said, i noticed when you were up there on that dais and they called your name, you didn't barely stand, and you hardly smiled, and you just gave a little wave, and you sat back down like you didn't belong there. and i'm going to tell you, you've got a long career ahead of you, and you're going to be at a lot more of those dinners, and whenever they call your name, you need to stand up and wave and smile. because you belong here. and i always thought how remarkable it is for me for a young woman in washington to have been helped by so many different men who wanted to make
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sure that i had opportunity and i could take advantage of it. and so i think back to that, and i end the book with that story because i think it pulls together the point of character, humility and a ton of gratitude to be there and all those experiences and certainly to be here with all of you today. [applause] thank you. i see that my friends have followed directions, so i will start with you, ma'am in the red. >> hi. i love "the five." >> thank you. >> it's really good. and i also like fox news because they have a variety like juan williams as well as -- >> uh-huh. >> so they give both sides. >> and alan colmes. >> and alan colmes. and whatever happened to bob beckel? >> yeah, we all miss bob. bob has moved on, and you can find him on cnn now once in a while. we miss him too though. >> yeah.
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>> thanks for watching. >> that was a good part. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> uh-oh, the founder of the festival. this is going to be a tough one. >> too bad i introduced myself before you started. [laughter] you belong here too. >> thank you. >> you've done a hell of a job. i'm a member of this church, and i can say "hell of a job." [laughter] >> okay. >> we're methodists, we dance, we have a good time. >> so i could have told that joke? >> yes. [laughter] >> okay. >> i am a huge fan of the bush family. i've had different connections with them through various people, julia reed who's very close to the family. i voted for both 41 and 43, and i've gotten behind jeb. unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be keeping up with the family. but when barbara came in to new hampshire, i said, oh, wow -- >> here we go. >> there's hope. [laughter] so anyway, when i was
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researching this festival, i didn't know anything -- people asked me, what's your background? are you in publishing? no, no. i know a guy named paul hemp hill who's a good georgia writer, and i've signed him up for the festival, and that turned a lot of people around because he's a man of good repute. i ended up going to the national, going to south carolina, going to various festivals, decatur which is decidedly left-leaning. >> uh-huh. >> we have tried to keep this festival first amendment. when we had karl rove here, i was excoriated in the local paper. >> poor karl. [laughter] >> and rather than responding to the paper, i wrote to one of people and said, look, you know, we don't have any opinion. these are books, you know? whatever. >> right. >> and so later i had the same situation with al gore on the other side.
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>> poor al. [laughter] >> i stuck to my -- >> keep it fair and balanced. [laughter] >> but anyway, the director of the national book festival who's also the librarian of congress, i met with him in south carolina, and he told the story of meeting, when w. was first elected, 43 was first elected, he got a call from texas that said you're going to have a book festival, a national book festival. and we do. laura is not given credit for it at this point -- >> yep. >> will -- which i think is despicable. but -- [applause] yeah, i do have a question. i'm sorry. my wife is going to kill me. [laughter] >> okay, what's your question? hit me. >> so what -- why this disparity in coverage? why the disrespect for someone
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who did this? >> about the festival? >> the guy didn't think he could do it. it was, like, six months in advance, three years before our first one. so -- >> you know -- >> laura bush came through. >> yeah, she did. and here's the great thing about the bushes that i learned from them which is that you do things because they're right to do, and you don't worry about the credit. and i remember 43 would tell me when we would get ready towards the end of the administration, every reporter wanted to ask him about his legacy, and i would have to ask him once in a while, and he would say, dana, last year i read three books about george washington, and if historians are still trying to figure out the first president, then the 43rd doesn't have a lot to worry about because he'll never know. and they left the white house fully believing that they'd given it their all, and they continue to do so much in texas as well. >> indeed. >> thank you. [applause] hi. >> i wanted to start out saying how much i respect you -- >> thank you. >> and i think you're brilliant.
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>> thank you. i'll tell greg you said so. >> oh, i love him. okay. what i wanted to say, you know, in this past primary season a big issue is terrorism. and, you know, donald trump and muslims and all that. well, my brother just joined the marines s and nothing makes me angrier than seeing our troops, you know, in iran and the whole thing about, you know, like the video and them having their hands behind their back and all that, that makes me angry. and i hate terrorists. i have the utmost respect for our armed forces. and what i wanted to ask you was, how do we defeat these people who believe that we deserve to die? like, that is their belief, that is their religion. so how can we defeat, how can we get rid of this threat? i'm over it. i'm done. >> all right. thank you. well, i'm not commander in
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chief -- >> i -- [inaudible] >> i think this is, what i learned from president bush and i think is an important thing to keep in mind, and it's not necessarily how president obama likes to talk about things, but -- and there is good and evil in the world. and calling it out for what it is allows you then to help figure out how to defeat it. defight an ideology is difficult -- defeating an ideology is difficult. they don't want our territory, they want our way of life. and i also think our military is well equipped as long as we provide them the resources that they need to do things like what travis mills did, to sign up in 2006 -- which, believe me, who signs up for the army in 2006 during the middle of the worst part of the iraq war? that's somebody who is a patriot. and one of the things that we need to remember is that they don't only need our help when they return, but they need our help now. so, you know, we have an election coming up, and i think that it'll help us clarify some things going forward. >> all right, thank you. >> thank you. [applause]
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>> hi, my name's jay, and my beautiful wife is michelle, and we're huge fans of yours. >> thank you. >> and back in 2006 i believe it was we went to washington during reagan's funeral or his -- >> uh-huh. >> and i took my two little boys to the rotunda. my youngest one actually got on c-span. >> wow. and now you're on c-span. >> yeah. >> wow. >> i just wanted you to know that we thought you're as respected and important to have equaled that moment. >> thank you so much. >> but i was just wondering, you watch the news and you see what's looking like possibly a choice between trump and clinton. and i'm thinking, well, i'd like to write in a perp or write in a -- in a person or write in a candidate, because i'm not going to vote for either one of them. but i was asking. we respect you so much and your character is such a fresh --
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it's just nice to see. [laughter] why couldn't you not be our first woman president? oh, thank you. [laughter] [cheers and applause] >> do you think i could pass the background check? [laughter] thank you. there's a great question. if you're in a room of people and i give speeches to groups of 500, 600, 700, 800 people, and they'll often ask why can't we get through anything? and i'll ask who here wants to run for office? and no one raises their hands. the people who do run for office, i admire them, because it is grueling. it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum you are, it is just such an undertaking. and condi rice always describes it this way. in 2004 she was the national security adviser, and the president of the united states has to always have the national security adviser with them and the press secretary wherever they go. so she had to be on the campaign
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trail with him a lot. and she always says that the days were just ridiculous. you'd get up at six in the morning for the briefing for the presidency work, and then you'd be on the road, and have the breakfasts, and then there's the lunch, and you've got to give a speech and an interview with bill o'reilly, and then there's another dinner, and at the end of the night, they'd have a team meeting, and president bush would be just raring to go, and she was exhausted. because for some people running for office and being out front speeds them, feeds their energy, and for other people it depletes them. and i'm in the latter category. [laughter] but thank you for asking. [applause] hi. >> hi. i'm a graduate student at georgia state university -- >> great. >> -- studying anthropology and mass media. >> great. >> and i'm wondering if you have any advice -- >> you going to try to dig up the ratings for msnbc? [laughter] kidding! >> maybe. >> he said i could make a joke
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in this church. [laughter] >> i'm actually doing my thesis on the production of information and media biases. so i'm wondering if you have any information on how to stay truthful to the information we put out while being influenced by media corporations among all of them, including fox news, cnn, msnbc. >> well, i think -- one, do you plan on being a journalist as well? >> yes, i do. >> okay. to me, i started journalism too. i started public affairs reporting in graduate school. i worked at a cbs affiliate in springfield, illinois. i grew up in wyoming. i started working in media, and all of a sudden i'm like, whoa, i didn't know that bias existed. i had never seen it before. and it was against republicans. it was 1994, and that's when republicans swept not just the congress, but all across the nation in that first midterm of president clinton's first term. and i left. and i ended up going back home to denver, colorado, and i did what every good student that has
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graduated from graduate school does. do you know what i did? i lived in my parents' basement, and i waited tables. [laughter] and i looked for my next opportunity. and one of the reasons i call the book "and the good news is" that i'm a planner. type a, first born. i always want to plan, and my husband says if you aren't worried about something, then you're worried that you forgot about what you're supposed to worry about. [laughter] and what i've learned over time is that i have to let go of that. and actually at a church singles group, i'm sure it's right here in this book, i could find it, there's a short little verse that says, "fear not." and i took a chance. and i ended up going to washington, d.c. and if i look back at all the things that happened, moving to england to be with peter, moving back to washington to work at the justice department, all those things added up to what i'm doing now. and all i can tell you is that i cannot be responsible for what anybody else says or does. i'd like to be. i'd like to be in charge of everybody and say that's not fair, and you should do it this
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way. the only thing you can do is be true to yourself. and you know inside what's fair and what's not. and so just keep that in mind, because you can't be responsible for what anybody else says or does. and i can just tell looking at you, your light shines so bright. you're going to do an amazing job, and i'm glad you chose that course of study because we need more of it. >> thank you. and i quote you for my thesis? >> yes! [applause] >> you last question? >> yes. >> question. this is a lot of pressure. a lot of pressure. >> hopefully, i can handle it. >> okay. [laughter] >> in today's world we're seeing a huge rise of self-funded candidates from president to senate, congress. do you think it's freezing out the regular person being able to run if you can't put in $the 00,000, $300,000, a million of your own money, is it going to hurt the political process and keep the middle class and younger people out of the process? >> this is a great question. and financing of political
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campaigns is a big topic. the supreme court ruled not long ago in citizens united case that we could have actual super pac money, and everybody's mad at the super pacs. but in my opinion, self-funding your campaign means you either inherited a lot of money, or you worked very hard and earned that money and you care enough that you're going to spend that money on a campaign in order to help yourself get elected. however, i would also submit that having been from a family that did not inherit or make a lot of money, it is harder to be the person who has to pick up the phone and ask somebody for a donation. that's another reason i don't want to run for office. i can't ask for anything. i don't think that we are in danger of people being froze been out yet -- frozen out yet because what have we learned in this campaign? be money is not buying anything. one of the people that you talked about self-funding their campaigns right now has spent the least amount of money of all of them. the person who has spent the
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most amount of money has had the fewest results. so i think that the answer to your question is, cannot be fully answered yet. i think that we'll have to find out sort of in the future how it turns out. but because of these great things, social media, things on your phone, the way people can participate, i don't think we're at risk of anybody buying an election. okay? everybody, thank you so much and happy valentine's day. [applause] >> thank you all for coming. please debt mrs. perino out so she can sign her book out in the square, and you can meet jasper. [inaudible conversations]
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teaching in a new york city public high school. and that's followed at 11 with daniel oppenheimer. he examines six political personalities who changed their ideological allegiances from the left to the right. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. >> every day books are reviewed by publications throughout the country. here's a look at some recently-reviewed books. washington post columnist e.j. dionne's look at the state of the republican party was reviewed in the los angeles times by michael boblian. he writes that mr. dionne identifies john boehner as the latest in a long series of republicans transformed from conservative hero to villain and notes that other than ronald reagan, who has been spared this fate despite compromising with democrats on taxes and nearly tripling the national deficit, almost every major republican figure has suffered boehner's fate since the 1960s. sonya shaw's history of
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pandemics over the past 5 year 0 years was review -- 50 years was reviewed in scientific american. ms. shaw shows how political and practical factors such as city crowding and lack of infrastructure have paved the way for global sicknesses and that rather than waging war against pandemic after it's already full blown, shaw argues we must focus on proactive defenses against disease to prevent the next blow. and for npr, nicole dixon, a teacher at east side community high school in manhattan, reviewed ed boland's new book on his experiences teaching at a new york city public high school. she comments that boland's focus on his personal struggle to maintain order takes readers away from the more important national conversation about the societal inequities that are reflected in all of our classrooms, that in the end i came away respecting boland's honesty, admiring his writing and vehemently agreeing with his pleas to integrate america's
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public schools. here's ed boland on why he decided to write about his teaching experience. >> my urgent need to tell this story and process this experience was so great that it overcame my shame of failure. so that tells you a lot. i mean, i'd never written a word until i wrote this book. and that tells you just how urgently i needed to process this and that i was willing to put failure on the line. because the greater message was we need to pay attention to this problem. if i looked like a terrible teacher, which i was, so be it. but people need to know what life is like for kids in our struggling schools. >> watch for these programs and more this weekend on booktv. >> of this year's presidential candidates -- many of this year's presidential candidates have written books to introduces themselves to voters. here's a look at some of the candidates' books.
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former neurosurgeon ben carson argues a better understanding of the constitution is necessary in "a more perfect union." former secretary of state hillary clinton looks back on her time serving in the obama administration in "hard choices." in "a time for truth," texas senator ted cruz recounts his journey from a cuban immigrant's son to the senate. ohio governor john kasich calls for a return to what he sees as traditional american values in "stand for something." more presidential hopefuls with books include florida republican senator marco rubio. in "american dreams" he outlines his plan to advance economic opportunity. independent senator bernie sanders recently updated his 1997 autobiography now titled "outsider in the white white hoo include his time in the senate and the launch of his presidential campaign. and businessman donald trump outlines his political platform in "crippled america." finally, gary johnson is a
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presidential candidate for the libertarian party nomination. in "seven principles of good government," he discusses his political philosophy and time as governor of new mexico. booktv has covered all of these candidates. you can watch them on our web site, booktv.org. ..
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>> good afternoon. i am marianne hirsch and i'm the director of research gender sexuality and it's a great pleasure and honor to be here this afternoon to moderate this panel and a celebration of "wedlocked: the preils of marriage equality" by our own wonderful trench-- katherine franke. what we will do this afternoon's have some presentations and responses to the book and then open up for questions and discussion and we have assembled a stellar panel of the people who are just the right people to undertake this discussion and i will introduce them briefly together and then they will speak in the order we have determined, but

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