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>> guest: lady bird johnson continued her beautification process after johnson left the white house so i think it is a matter of is it sincerely something that interest them or if it is safe and politically poplar to do and not hurting their husbands who are the elected people. >> host: julie in company. we are talking about supreme court, women in the supreme court, etc. >> caller: yes, i thought it was a great panel and i look forward to purchasing your book. before the break, you mentioned there is self-discipline. and i was wondering what would their habits, and how did they develop them, that made them so successful and so special? >> guest: well one thing they had is they never believed that they were cinderella. they thought they believed to be
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in the govern class and had faith they deserved to be there and because of that they treated the men who were in the powerful role as if they, the women, were equal to the man. because they treated the men as equal when the men pressed o'connor and ginsburg to admit they were inferior they took offense. and when they took offense they were so self-disciplined they only took revenge when it would be effective. the classic example is the dean at harvard law school asked ms. ginsburg in 1957 what she was doing taking up the place of a man at harvard and she said she thought she should anyhow as much as possible about her husband's work who was year ahead of her. after the woman's movement, ruth bader ginsburg told the story on
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the dean so many times he wrote to the harvard newspaper saying she -- he was only kidding. how did they get to where they were? part of it was life on the ranch and part is ruth bader ginsburg is smarter than any woman i have heard of. >> host: did sandra day o'connor sit down with you for the book? >> guest: no, she took the position there wasn't enough material for the book. >> host: 400 pages later? >> guest: i think she thought i was only writing about their relationship which wouldn't have been a whole book instead of using it as as bases to tell their lives which there is ample
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material. >> host: we are here in tucson, arizona where sandra day o'connor was from. how did that affect her career? >> guest: enormous. she was a product of the west. i have lived in arizona for 32 years myself so i knew what was going on. she was on the ranch where there was no hand to spare and had to function and expected totrive at 15 and do all of the things a boy child would have done. arizona and the west in general have a robust culture of volunteerism. women could volunteer before the civil rights act when they didn't get paid at all, much less equally, women would volunteer for important jobs and show how good they were. and sandra day o'connor was so good, and competent and smart, that as soon as she could do a
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job you could see her doing a great job and she was valued. it is a more open world and one reason why i love it. >> host: the fact that sandra day o'connor came from a more political background than ruth bader ginsburg did that affect how they were on the court? >> guest: tremendously. the head of the aclu and a great sponsor of ginsburg told me that sandra day o'connor had a laser-like intelligence for exactly where the american public was on any issue at any time. >> host: that is what the head of the aclu said? >> guest: correct. the head of the aclu giving that lavish praise to sandra day o'connor. she was. if you look at her potentiin op she moved society forward because she knew were they were.
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>> host: can you give an example of a case? >> guest: one was the sexual harassment case. this was the first case in which the supreme court of the united states held that sexual harassment was a violation of the civil rights act and not just a little good fun at the office. the first time and it was very important the supreme court say that. they had a unanimous court saying this ghastly harassing guy in the bank violated the civil rights law when making his female worker's lives a living hell but the question was is the court responsible and the court split four to four and o'connor was the swing vote and said unless the bank knew, or should have known, their supervisor was
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harassing the employee they would not be libel. i asked the clerk why she did that and the clerk said she wanted the first opinion to be umaninous. >> host: ann in iowa, go ahead with your comment for linda hirshman. >> caller: yes, you had justice ginsburg said that she would not be -- no one as liberal as her would be appointed again and i think that is too bad because i think our founding fathers were more liberal than these people that say the constitution says this. what is your opinion on that? >> guest: some of our founding fathers were slaveholders so i would be reluctant to call them liberal. i would tell how i think they are right. they wrote a constitution that
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is a living document. so they expected it to govern the nation. as they could not imagine it was going to change. writing a constitution as a living document was an amazing and progressive thing in the 8th century. >> host: linda hirshman has written books on the gay revolution, victory, coming out in 2013 and her 2006 book "get to work; and get a life before it is too late" she is a former woman's study professor. rachel in durham, north carolina. hi, rachel. >> caller: can you hear me? >> host: we are listening. >> reporter: i have read several books about the supreme cou
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court, one by jeffrey cuban and another by woman i cannot remember her name. in jeffrey's book it seemed that when o'connor came on the court, renquist wanted it to be his court but it became the o'connor court. >> guest: she called herself the rinta of paradise valley. and that is like an old jewish match-maker person. she took a lively interest in the happiness of others. when i did interview her one same on the phone she said to me she hoped that future fenail supreme court justice would be able to be married and have children as she and ruth had happily done.
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it became the o'connor court because it split 4-4. once powell left and kennedy came on she became the swing quote. so to some extent her position was a reflection of the changes that the nation was going through as we elected ronald reagan and he put conservative justice on the court and the number of liberals declined. i am so grateful that we had sandra day o'connor as the first woman on the supreme court because she did such a fabulous job and i don't think another person appointed by ronald reagan could have possibly did what she did in those years. >> host: linda hirshman is it fair to say it is the kennedy court today? >> guest: you would think it is the kennedy court.
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he hold the decisive vote but i think it is the court in waiting. we are 4-4 and waiting to see what the political nation is going to turn up to resolve it. otherwise they will start to split 4-4 and that will mean it is the nobody's court. >> host: linda hirshman, make an argument for both sides. delay the nomination/push forward the nomination. >> guest: i will say this. the constitution of the united states does not say the senate has to meet and advicse and consent. that is not the language of the constitution. making the case for waiting, the constitution doesn't compel them to act. and that would leave it up to their political judgment. i think their political judgment is wrong. okay? i think they are making a divide
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between america become worse by applying it to the supreme court of the united states. just between me and you, most of the court is dominated by democratic nominees know what the republican senators are doing is handing the nation off to predominantly democratic judges. >> host: what about their spouses? were they supportive? they both passed now but were they supportive? >> guest: apparently so. marty is the great husband who learned how to cook, was a fabulous cook, and using his web of connections to advance his wife's career. she said she could not have done it without him and i believe it.
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o'connor was less visiblely advancing his wife's career. she could have moved to washington when nixon was elected but didn't because of her family. when the moment came for her to go on the supreme court, john o'connor left a lucrative job and went to washington and never had again a great of career. you have to give him a lot of credit for supporting her. i want to say whether it is marriage or no marriage at all but if you decide to get married these were great marriages. they made each other happy and loved each other. it is a beautiful thing to see and very heart-warming to me because my husband just died when i started writing the book so i loved seeing how happy they had been. >> host: the next call for linda hirshman is marcie in new
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hampshire. go ahead. we are listening. >> caller: yes, linda, i cannot wait to read your book and look forward to it. my question is, have you noticed, or did you note in the book, any of the differences that women on the supreme court now in their decisions make differently than the previous supreme courts that were all men? is it just the issues they have to deal with? thank you. >> that is a very, very good question. so, sandra day o'connor juris prudence on cases involving women were more liberal than her decisions in any other agreement. so sandra day o'connor agreed
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with ruth bader ginsburg 95% of the time on questions involving women but mow more than 50-60 percent of the time on everything else. i looked at these numbers. and secondly, did ruth bader ginsburg bring the democratic appointment women vote differently from steven brier not so much. so you would say gender doesn't make a difference. but that is wrong. gender makes a difference in the questions they and -- they ask in oral arguments. the presence of someone like ruth bader ginsburg on the court made an enormous difference in the way that harassment and school children harassment was discussed in front of the court. there is a big court journalism reporting that and everybody
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gets a lesson of what it means for a 13-year-old girl to have her body searched. having ginsburg on the court made a huge difference. we just saw, not to weeks ago, when ginsburg, and kaygan took the case to court. >> host: the next caller is from new orleans. good afternoon. >> caller: hello? >> host: go ahead. >> caller: hello, ms. linda hirshman, i think you are a wonderful person. i didn't complete college but my daughters did. what gave you the idea to write this book? >> guest: to some extent i swam in the stream of ruth bader ginsburg and sandra day o'connor.
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my whole career, i am 71, and i graduated from lieu school in 1969 and the supreme court had not said the equal protection clause applied to women when i was practicing law. two years later when ruth bader ginsburg got them to say that it meant the world to me. and similarly, i was a professional woman in the '70s and part of the movement to try to get the president to appoint more women to the federal courts at all much less the supreme court. so when sandra day o'connor was appointed to the supreme court it meant the world to me. i was so hoping it would happen just like she said. she said it is okay to be the first but i do not want to be the last. and i was watching her and i didn't want to have her fail. i wanted to be the next one. so they were really my offense.
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>> host: when will see see a woman chief justice? >> guest: there was talk about making it o'connor. she would have been great and is widely respected. john roberts was a young man so i want to say some years. >> host: next caller is jade from ohio. you have we are listening and you are on with linda hirshman talking about the supreme court. >> caller: thank you. linda, you have such a wonderful sense of humor. it is great to hear that on c-span. thank you for that. what is the link between ruth bader ginsburg and sandra day o'connor to the first ladies? the next question i have is all that has been going on how did
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both justice ginsburg and sandra day o'connor link up with the wife of [inaudible question] >> caller: i think the women are left out which is unfortunate. >> guest: ruth bader ginsburg is responsible are the supreme court publishing a book about not being in power. she was the wife of another supreme court justice and she turned out to be very influe influential getting him to say in the late 19th-century we should not, by law, separate white people from black people. holland was a real force and ruth bader ginsburg recognized
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it and was able to make a book about her which bought her a little respect that she deserved. ruth bader ginsburg always saw possible women of the era in every walk of life. >> host: last call >> caller: i am sorry i didn't brandise this but you are outstanding. my question is if you had opportunity to appoint a just e justice, give us a couple examples of people that you would feel would be an appropriate choice to make? >> gary do you have any choices?
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>> guest: she combined the principles i admire and has such integrity she will honor her journey and her ambition.
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if i were invested in the senate, which would be a great thing for the country, i would appoint
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>> wow. anybody here watch "the five"? [applause] >> thank you. chris, i am honored to be here with new friends, jim and dana scavo have been my sponsors spod
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jeff skyberger is here who is an older friend, and older, and tracy sky berg have become our good friends weapon met because our dogs met at palmetto bluff. jasper and grady, and if you follow us on facebook their name is grasper. in. in i'm also honored my husband could join me. a lot of time outside have to travel to these event bid yourself but peter is here and you'll hear more about him as i talk about the book that came out last april, and i have also -- before i start i want to thank robert bin gold who -- robin gold. who has the cutest pink jacket on. she has been holding my hand through all the scheduling changes. did you know we're in the middle of a primary season? she made all of this work for me so i'm just really honored and
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thank you for coming out on a chilly but really beautiful saturday, and one of the best cities in america. [applause] , in. >> savannah, georgia, -- i grew up out west, and have lived inlets of different places, and i found that this area, the low country, is the closest i feel to home. so thank you for welcoming my husband and i and jasper, and if you come to the book signing afterwards the real attraction of the day is going to be there jasper will bev outside. -- will be outside. all right. i was going to tell this really funny joke about being at a podium, when i was at the white house and i was a deputy press secretary to tony snow, and he was 6'5", and i was obviously not. tony snow, you might remember as one of the best press secretaries the nation has ever seen. [applause] >> yeah.
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what you myth not know is after he passed away in 2008 from complication of colon cancer, his daughter came and just graduated last may so that family is doing great and we should give them a round of applause because without tony snow i wouldn't be here. [applause] >> so i'm not going to tell that funny joke because i looked at my husband and i said, i can't tell that joke in a church. so, peter is agreeing with me. so i'll tell you, it's in the book, and when you -- if you come across and it you figure out the joke could i not tell you in a church, send me a note on facebook and i'll respond. i'll tell you this joke instead mitchell book is called "and the good news is." i'm going to explain why. the book is about lessons of gratitude and humility and character. humility being one of the most important things you can learn
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because i've had all these amazing experiences. the first republican woman to serve as the white house press secretary and i served during times of terror threat and financial crisis and all sorts of other things that were going on in the world, as any press secretary does. and i had this transition into television. and i had an opportunity to go up to new york and be on "the five" and it's a little traumatic to leave washington, dc. weed been there eight years. i really wasn't sure what i was doing to get to new york. before there was a jasper there was a henry, which you will read bat in the book, and i get to new york and i'm out of place. i grew up on a cattle ranch. so new york is so different, and i was a little frantic, and i wasn't sure what i was doing with my life. and i got invited to the jets' owner's book, woody and susan johnson, invited peter and i to come. peter grew up -- well, kind of an air force brat, royal air
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force brat. that what we would have called him. but he i british originally and came to america and became a citizen in 2005? -- 2006. he remembers that day very well. and he loves any american event. so, parades, sporting events, dinners at the white house. he would go to any american event. so i came back and i said, peter, want to go to the jets' game? you watch the five you know i don't know a lot about sport us but i enough it would be catered by nobu. so, we went to the game. and i walk in, and i'm not really sure what i'm doing. i was just the white house press secretary and now i'm not sure what i am doing and i had show but didn't know it would be a success. that was five years ago. nobody knew "the five" would be a thing, and i walk in and this guy sees me oh, my gosh, love you've. i watch your show every day.
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i think you are amazing. you are so smart. i wish that every young american would listen to you. we would be so much better of. wow, you're amazing, and i thought, wow, maybe i'm finally accomplished something. this is great. then he says, and could i say, you look great after the baby. and i realized, he thinks i'm megyn kelly. [applause] >> and i i didn't tell him i wasn't. and i tell megyn that story now and she says i'm going to take that as a compliment. i said so will i. mistaken identity is something that is funny if you have also public notoriety, you can be humbled if somebody mistakes you for somebody else and actually happened to president george w.
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bush. the first day out of office, 2009, think about it. he had security for 16 years. he finally gets back to dallas. he calls the promised land, and mrs. bush calls it the afterlife and he said to the secret service team i want to go to the hardware store like a normal and shop around because i'm going to make a man cave and paint things and it's going to be awesome. so he asked the secret service can we do that? they said, yeah, okay, sure. so they dress in khakis and particular it out. they're going incognito which is funny because they went in three suvs. but they're trying. so he gets there and the secret service melts into the background and he says, thank you so much. pipe going to shop around. so just on his own. and this guy is walking by him and says, nip ever at the you that you look like george w. bush?
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and the president said, all the time. and the guy said, sure must make you mad. [applause] and he says, oh, you have no idea. [applause] ... a
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tree, what kind of tree would you be? it was like a hard-hitting interview question. president bush says well barbara, i am not a tree. i am a bush. [applause] >> and i said i am voting for him. so living life with that gentle, witty human it has been a plus to be around him and embrace my own humility and the importance of character. elections are about character. the people you surround yourself with their character sticks out. i didn't realize i wrote a book about this until megyn kelly's husband said this is a parent book about living with character and surrounding yourself with
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people of character. so i had worked on many other books. before i was a white house press secretary i was a deputy. i always say take a deputy job. you work holidays and weekends but you get to know the boss and learn the job so when there is an opportunity you can step up. i left the white house and i was called upon to work on doing publicity for karl rove's book, laura bush's book and i got a call from 43 and he asked if i could help him with a public tour. and worked with charles krauthammer. i was an editorial director on that book and i liked being behind the scenes. i never thought of writing by own book although every press secretary thinks about all of the experiences they have and
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want to tell the stories. i remember on a train between washington, d.c. and new york where wrote downtown if i wrote a book what would it look like and at the top in block letters it said not political because i didn't want to write a book like that. the guy who edits president bush, keep him in mind. he knew me and asked if i had a book. and he said what about your stories and he said you tell great stories about president bush. and i remembered i took the from the amtrak train and it was in my wallet for three years. all of a sudden i pulled it out and said i have do this. this is my book proposal a. ripped up piece of paper folded in my wallet for three years.
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sean looked at it and said leave this with me and went to this bosses and said we should do a book and they said that book will never sell and if you want to do something political we will help you. i said i am not doing that. i was a little humilitated. and then sean went to another publisher, my publisher. he said what if you did your book here. his team gave him a lot of room to run and he helped me structure the book. i wanted to fill in the gaps of history about president bush and provide mentoring advice to young people who didn't go to ivy league colleges or young people who might have narrow horizons and let them know you too could end up advising the president in the oval office. and he said you cannot start a
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book at age 36 as the white house press secretary. you have to explain before that. that is where the stories of character come in. my grandfather was the first generation of italian immigrants. they homesteaded and mined coal in the western regions. there is finally good development happening up in that area. the pictures take me home. it is a beautiful part of the world. it is my mount rush more. i started telling the story of my grandfather driving on the cattle ranch and my sister would be with me who is four years younger. i was about seven or eight. and my grandfather would tease my sister saying did you see the
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smurf? my sister loved it. i got the joke and went along with it. we are having this great time, and i remember driving along coming across a cattle guard and we see one of my grandpa's horses fell through the guard and broke his leg. he was in pain. and my grandfather is a softy, u.s. marine and world war ii veteran bought soft heart especially for animals. he pulled up and is reaching for the rifle that was hung securely in the window. he told me to get down on the floor and don't look up. i remember trying not to look up but when someone tells you to look up it is like don't look at that guy. in the frame of the window of the truck was my grandpa who was rugged face, tan skin and i saw a single tear come down this cheek as he had to shoot the horse. when he got back in the truck i
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didn't want him to know i looked but i think he knew i did because he reached over and grabbed my leg and squeezed it and i hoped some of that character was seeping into me as well. reading. i got to go to the barbara bush foundation celebration of reading. she is still very active in literacy issues. a lot of people who write books love to read books. everybody in this room loves to read or wants to meet jasper. i talked to my mom this morning and -- she would take me to target. you would not do this with your grandchildren. take them to target, park them at the book session, and then go shopping and come back and get them. back then you could do that. i would read one book by the
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time they finished and i remember i read sheila the great by judy bloom and that was my first instance of telling my mom don't we have to pay for this? my mom said we are going to the library and checked into two different libraries because you could only get seven books so then i could get 14 because i would read them on the way home. my mom could not keep us in books. we were readers along the way but there was one instance that goes to this character point that helps me later on. my dad required be to read the rocky mountain post and the washington times every day and we would help me think through the arguments and critical thinking skills. when i was riding the book i thought back about to that because there was a moment one morning and i don't know the issue but it was controversial.
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it was the bush administration. you know, nothing but controversial issues. what it was that my opinion was unpopular among the senior staff. we were on marine one and the president looked at me and said what do you think i should do? and i thought back to the moment at the kitchen table and how important it is for fathers or a male dominant figure, grandfather, to spend time with young girls to give them the ability and confidence they will need later in life because i was able to look at president bush and say this is what i think, hold to it, it was unpopular and he looked out the window for a minute, i didn't say anything, this is a negotiation, he turns back around and looks at the deputy chief of staff and said she is exactly right. and i also thank my dad for giving me a little bit of that ability. but when you are sitting on the
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barn yard fence thinking you will never leave wyoming you don't think you will end up in the oval office. my first time in the oval office i got kicked out. i asked bush about it on the book tour and he didn't remember it. but i will tell you now. i mentioned part of the book is about ad vicadvice. i thought it was important to tell the stories because everybody knew about the policies and politics but very few knew him from the behind the screens perspective that i did. he and i were meeting in the oval office were the first time. january 2005 and i was brand new as the deputy press secretary. dan bartlet, the communication director, asked me to go into the oval office to sit in on an
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interview. he said you don't have to brief him just sit there. i will come brief him but i to go to this interview so sit there and report back to me. i am excited to go the oval office and listening to dan learning the best and the president said i am not doing an interview with that guy. and he said boss, you said you would do an interview. and he said no, i said i would talk to him not an interview. the president was right actually. he should not have done an interview because it would look like he was negotiating with the iranians through this columnist who just got back. finally the president said i am not doing an interview and therefore she doesn't need to be here. he looked at me and gave me one of these see yourself out. and i was so mortified.
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i am brand new and i get to the office i have to go and there is a door you can have slit shut. so i close the door, and i call peter and i was tearful on the phone and i said i just got kicked out of the oval office and i am crying. and peter said just thing, for the rest of your life you can say i have been kicked out of better places than this. [applause] >> and that is one of the reason why in the advice portion of my book i break it out into thick things you can do in the office, things you should do over your career, and things you should do
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over your life. the past piece of advice is that choosing to be loved is not a career limiting decision or doesn't have to be. peter and i met on an airplane. it is a sweet story. he tells the story better than i do and has the british accent which is hard to compete with. when i was writing the book he was watching football and i am trying to write and i said what if you write this portion so i outsour outsourced a little bit of the work. it as a sweet story about how we meet an an airplane by chance on a flight he almost took a different flight and i almost missed the flight we happened to be assigned sheets from denver to chicago. love at first sight and i moved to england 17 months later and that was 18 years ago. if you think about it, as i
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said, i didn't know george bush beforehand. my life changeded a so quickly peter allowed me to grow professionally and in many other ways. the reason i am going to read this is because it is hard for me to get through it. i came early today to make sure i was here to listen to travis mills. travis mills and i met not long ago at an event in new york. he and i share, as i said we shared a commander in chief, and this affection for president bush, and this story i am about to read to you is about a scene nobody knew about until this book was written about a wounded warrior visit next to walter
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reed and this is one of the scenes from evans. it is called "i think he wants the president" news of america's military men and women were wounded and killed in iraq and afghanistan almost overwhelmed me on sunday. i may have sound n strong when talking to the press but sometimes i had to push my feelings way down in order to get any words out of my mouth to make statements and answer questions. the hardest days are when president bush went to visited the wounded families of the fallen. if it was tough for me you can only imagine what it is like for the families and a president who knew it was his decisions that led troops into the battle where they fought and were severely injured or lost their lives. on a morning in 2005 i was asked to go on behalf of scott mcclelin to walter reed with president bush. we started nlt intensive care unit and the chief naval office
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briefed the president about the first patient we would see. he was a young marine who was injured when his hum vee was injured by a bomb. at his bed side were parents, wife and five-year-old son. what is the prognosis? we don't know. he hasn't opened his eyes since arriving. we had to wear a mask. i watched how the family might react to the president and was worried they would be mad and blame him. but i was wrong. the family gave the president hugs and thanked him over and over and wanted to get a photo. so they gathered him in front of the white house photographer and asked is everybody smiling which was funny since we were all wearing masks. the president talked quitely at the foot of the patient's bed. i looked up to the ceiling so i
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could hold back tears. after he visited with them the president turned to the military aid and said okay do the presentation. the wounded soldier was being awarded the purple heart given to troops that suffer in combat. everyone stood silenty the military aid in low and steady voice presented the award. at the end of it the son pulled on it and said what is a purple heart? and the president got down on one knee and pulled the little boy close to him and said it is an award for your dad because he is brave and courageous and loves his country so much. i hope you know how much he loves you and his mom. there was a commotion on the other side of the room and the marine just opened his eyes. i could see him from where i stood. the naval officer held the medical team back and said hold on, guy, i think he wants the
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president. the president jumped up and rushed over to the side of the bed and cupped the marine's face in his hands and they locked eyes and after a few moments the president said to the military aid read it again. so we stood silently as the military aid presented the marine with the award for the second time. the president had tears dripping from his eyes on to the marine's face. the president rested his head-on the had marine for a minute and everyone was crying for the sacrifice, the pain and suffering, the love of country, the belief of a mission, and the witnesses of a relationship between the soldier and his commander and chief that no one else could grasp. i contacted several military aids to help me tig figure out who he was. i hoped so much he had survived
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but he did not. he died six days later in surgery after bush's visit. one mom and dad of a soldier from the caribbean were devastat devastated. the mother yelled at the president wanting to know why was it my son and not your daughters' in the hospital bed. the president didn't leave. he sat there like he wanted to absorb some of her grief if he could. later as we road back on marine one to the white house no one spoke. as the helicopter took off, the president looked at me and said that mama sure was mad at me. then he turned to look out the window of the helicopter and he said and i don't blame her a bit. one tear slipped out of the sad of his eye and his face. he didn't wipe it away and he flew back to the white house. [applause] and there were other
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wonderful stories, i guess i can tell this in a church. on the last weekend before we turned the white house over to president and ms. obama we wept to norfolk, virginia for the commissioning of the aircraft carrier. 41 is 90 years old and they follow that ship every day. they sent him all of the information and he knows exactly where it is. and i remember -- i don't want to take up too much time. i remember i was there and i was nervous because there was a high -- i cannot reveal anything but a high level of a threat of a terrorist attack because any time of transition from one period to the next is a time of instability. everybody who was anybody was at his ship commissioning. i was standing in the back.
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one thing you learn as a press secretary is the reporters don't always watch the president for what is happening. they watch the press secretary. i was sitting there watching the beautiful cold day but sunny skies and got a tap on my shoulder from the secret service agent and he said the president needs you at the helicopter in five minutes. i thought what is happening. i thought we have to evacuate. i slipped back on to the ship we were staying on and ran to the helicopter. there is rice and the plane is on so we could not talk. he buckle up and i am nervous. and the president said let's go see the seals. he wanted to go see the navy seals one last time as commander and chief. we flew over there and dick cheney is going to speak. they go wild when president bush comes in. there is probably 400 young men,
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young american men with really long beards, so you can imagine this isn't the typical american guy look. the president speaks to them from the heart and they will not stop applauding. he is asking them to sit down. and i thought that is one order they do not have to obey. he wanted to take pictures with everybody. he wasn't in a hurry to leave. the two seals came up to me and said excuse me are you the press secretary? i was honored they knew who i was. and they asked for a picture with me. and they are all-inspiring. i said to the first one what makes you want to be a navy seal? family tradition? sense of adventure? like to travel? >> and the first one said oh, no, ma'am e chicks dig it. >> and i said even with the
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beard? and he said oh, yeah, they get it. and when i asked the second one and i said were you are preparing to go whenever you are going do you have to take a lot of language courses? and he said oh, no, ma'am, we are really not there to talk. and got on the helicopter and told the president that story and he threw his head back and said god i love those guys. i talk about the transition to television. i have to credit fox news for seeing something in me i didn't see in myself. i didn't know i could shoot the breeze with four other people and have a great time on television and make a living doing it. i have had more fun, and learned so much, it is like all of these things i studied from my dad reading me the papers, to being the white house press secretary, and being interested in journalism and being on the
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third most poplar show in cable tv news. my co-host have really helped me as well -- all of them -- [applause] >> i will ask gull field to come next year. just make sure you have a lot of wine. i am going to get to your question but i want to tell you how i end the story. we are in a primary season. they are the worst especially for a party who doesn't have running for re-election. in 2012, president obama didn't have any opposition so they breezed through. in the mean time we were bashing ourselves over the head-on our side. it is similar on both sides now.
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hillary clinton is getting a battle from bernie sanders. and there is the republicans and later tonight there is a debate. i remember how unxhfrlable it was and i write in the book about a moment where a president and press secretary an are like this. and if they are not like this you cannot be a good press secretary. so there was an event and it was clear the president wasn't welcome. the president decided not to go and he gave a statement that was played live on the television at the convention. at the end of the, the president walked back to them and said do you think they know they are missing me? that is a hard question. you have to have total honesty
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when you are press secretary but you don't want to hurt someone's feeling and i had to say yes, sir, i believe they do. it was such a freeing moment maybe for him but certainly for me because that is when i realized that more important than politics is always the character. on the last day when he was in office i got to go to the oval office and he wrapped his arm around me and he said the first day i walked in i looked at myself in the mirror and i said i want to be able to look at the same man on my last day of office and he said i think i can do that. he said he wanted to take one more walk around the grounds and as he left i thought there goes a great president. i miss him and i am grateful to be his friend. i call for civility and public discourse at the end.
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i don't mind if you start lining up because we want to get to as many questions. and if you don't line up, c-span can't get your question and it will be a mess. it is january, 2005, i was junior birdman and the president didn't know my name and i just got kicked out of the oval office. i got invited to the grid iron dinner. it is humorous and fun and i love it. peter, who loves a great american event, was disappointed because there wasn't a spouses ticket. i had to go on my own. i had two black dresses. one short and one long and i alternated them for events. i wore the long one because it was a tuck and tail event. i am at usa today's table and sitting across from me is the junior senator from illinois

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