tv Open Phones With Dennis Prager CSPAN April 16, 2016 5:30pm-6:31pm EDT
so i would say show you this one. this is a -- this is europe's and you know some of this is known well and some of it's not known well but you can see cathedral. national borders at the times this was created you have three kingdoms here. england, ireland, and scotland and there's wales here in the west. >> pretty accurate map. >> pretty accurate and, of course, the way in which the atlantic world takes shape is through accident popular ration and mapping so our collection holds a large quantity of items about about that exploration moment which includes the moment when jackbiens come to the united states sow you've got colony and jamestown that is really shakespeare world planting itself in north america, and that's a complicated history. it's part of the history of this
country. it's also part of the what was good and bad about colonialism. >> so shakespeare of the u new world. >> yes, he was when he wrote the tempus he pretty clearly read a pamphlet ab ship wreck in bermuda but he made reference to stories about the u new world that were coming back and so he never visited it. he probably didn't have great information about it. but when he uses a phrase like brave, new world. he's saying there's a place that we haven't explored or overturning expectation of what human beings are like and what nature is like, and that's something that's just kind of firing his imagination. >> so that was just a portion of the tour that booktv took of the folgers shakespeare library. you can watch the full tour online at booktv.org. now book tv on c-span2 will be live from folgers shakespeare
library at noon on saturday april 23rd, this is to commemorate the 400th anniversary of william shakespeare's death .or >> and joining us here on our set is radio talk show host and author of 7 books, dennis most recent book is called the ten commandments still the best moral code. what's on your mind? >> oh -- that's a very good openingnd question. and i'll answer you completely honestly what's on my mind -- an it's not totally germane but quite germane to the ten commandments, is what i believe is the undoing of the american revolution. u and the decline of my beloved country, the greatest experiment in liberty and a decency and human hrs., and i do belief that a big part of the reason is the radical speck of our societies. >> whereon did that come from ad come about?
>> it came from -- really emanate from europe. after world war i and everyone somewhat had before but especially after world war i europe -- decided that everything that it believed in was nonsense because of theth massacres of world war. the atrocious loss of life for no apparently good reason that's a very important point. everybody understands world war ii was morally necessary not everybody believes world war i was and certainly didn't believe it afterwards despite the versailles treating and blaming germany nevertheless there was a feeling everything we believed in let us awry.in so we will drop religion and drop national identity, we will just become secular social citif the world. america tookec its ph.d.es from european universities starting in the late 19th century before world war i but nevertheless continuing, and i think that's where it developed where if
you'reit intelligent, you can go back to darwin. go back to mark. but the operative element was, if you're bright, you're not religious. it's -- at a university in the western world not just the united states, if you believe that god created herch heaven and earth that god is the source of that will shall not murder you're considered a dummy. and that -- foolishness an truly is foolish is deepest people i have ever met have overwhelmingly had a god centered understanding of the world. but that is now taken as a given that if you believe something like thatt u you're intellectually is the. so that's what's happening. when you hear had somebody say i'm spiritual but not religious -- >>ir how do you know to ask these stupid questions.
i have tone hours of radio just on that subject. it is with all respect to people who say it, it is meaningless. it means i contemplate in a sophisticated manner. that is code word. it doesn'tl mean anything i'm spur chul but not religious. what does it mean? if you have no religion what do you have? spirituality. what is spirituality mean that you believe that -- flowers are beautiful. that you believe that animals are loving? b what does it mean? it doesn't mean in addition.al i know to the individual making it, it means something. but without religion, without a code religion gives you a code.- religion gives you a step, a belief i don't care if you reject them but at o least you have to grapple with them. remember israel which is the founding group of the old testament, means struggled with god. and i think that seriously as a believer.
i do struggle with god. when i see all of the suffering in this world, the unjust suffering when just thinking for a moment forgetting the oven of your neighbor had pancreatic cancer atad 32 but a whole couny called north korea a human concentration camp the way people lived there, and the hundred million of world war ii, i mean, you know these things bolter bother me so i understand that but i want atheists to struggle. i was invited to great credit, biggest atheist group they invited meou to their annual convention which was to their credit and to debate their head on goffed's god's existence i looked at the audience completely by the way decent to memp and --
i can't complain at all, theywe were just fine. but i said to them at one moment would you raise your hand if you, have ever seen a child born or listen to a [inaudible] or mozart symphony or seen a van painting or sunsets and said you know, it's hard to believe that just happened on its own. maybe there is a god not one hand went up. and then i looked at them and i said you know if i were to ask any religious audience have havu ever seen a deformed baby and doubted god raise your hand, everyone who have raised their hand. wewe believers struggle more thn you atheists do and you think you're the questioning ones. we're the the questioning ones. >> where did this book the ten commandments come from? >> it is exactly what the
subtitle says it is stilt best moral code. this changed human history. and in the briefest book i wrote followingt longest book i ever wrote which i was the honor of being on your show then, this is a -- this is a transcription of the 11 electorate and ten commandments plus one lecture on craiger university.com we got about 11, 12 million views on that and it continues to be widely viewed or all over o the world, and i have taught this my whole life from the hebrew, andl this is a dislation of every idea i've had. in teacherring this for 40 years, so this is a very important book to me because it's very simple. if everybody lived by the ten commandments, you would not be one army or one missile you would not need any policeman, you would not have to put locks
on your doors. this is all humans need, it's amazing. >> and we're going to put the phoneng numbers up bauds this ir your chance to talk with radio talk show host and author dennis if you live in east and central7 time zone, 748-8201 for those of you in the mountain and out here in the pacific, time zone we're here at the los angeles time festival of book only o the campus of the university of southern california.f our guest is dennis craiger. first of all where did craiger university get start and are you a jewish scholar? >> well, it's a little pompus for me to say that but i did teachon jewish knowledge and 200 articles on judaism i got an award for clums on jewish
matters.s i know the torah first five books of the bible in the hebrew better than i don't knowe it in english and taught it much of mi life. so i don't -- i certainly uset the work ofy scholars to explain to people of every background that's what i -- thisar is very important. e i believe that the whole book, the whoat five books the bible is for everyone in the world. it's the greatest book ever written, and certainly the ten commandments it's for humanity. of course it was given to the jews as it were. but it's for humanity. if everybody lived by it as i said, all you would need. the rest commentary this is it we started because we're very worried about what is happening at the universities where there's more indoctrine and it's sad to me because i love the mind. they're my favorite show i want you to know.ks my wife is here. we told you this before.
so i'm going to say it you didn't ask me to. i'm not sure you believe me it's the really the only tv i watch i'm crazy about booktv and my wife introduced me to it so you heard it throughok here. but this is years ago, it'sud phenomenal. i love books. in high school ith started reado and collecting books i have about 7,000 books. i'm crazy about books.,0 i love the light of the mind but the university is shattering it because it's not the lift mind but it's the life of dogma, imi have ideology, so we have gotten some of the greatest thinkers on earth to give five minute courses on the most important subject in the world. from economics to sociology, to d we had last year 70 million views. i mean that's an unbelievable number.
in the english speaking world there's very little in terms of video. so ten commandments is one them that -- that alone had about the 12 million views. and this is the product, this book. of craiger university, we hope we gott a letter from i'll just tell you one more thing about it. we got a letter from a graduate that i just graduated stanford a couple of years ago. i want you to know i've learned more at craiger than i did at stanford university, we got this from -- allowed me to quote him and went to princeton he said i learned there more than princeton. that's our intent because you'll get something you don't get at universities, wisdom. >> we're in the middle of a presidential campaign, how did ten commandsments fit into the presidential campaign? >> it depends on how you believe the united states was structured. i believe and this, of course, o i went over with you on my last
book -- still the best help about america.ho and i believe there's an american trinity just as there is a christian trinity. and american t trinity is foundi didn't make it up, on every coin and god we trust liberty. america stands on those three, if you remove one of them -- the other two can not stand. liberty is dependent upon the other two. other two are dependent upon liberty. god is essential. and every founder, every founder said that. without god this country will not endure.wi they all said it. this notion that they were all -- i hate to say this word it's like a dirty word to me because i so rarely use it but it's a lie. they weren't, that meansen something who believes god created the world and then became disinterested in it.
benjamin franklin who was not -- admittedly who was not an orthodox christian did not believe in the christian trinity, okay.ti but he debelieve in the god of the bible. and he believed in a judging god. that's what the secular world hates. i'm convinced at its core people don't want to be judged. and the hebrew bible and ten commandments introduce the idea that you and i and everybody here and everyone alive is going to be judged on their morale behavior. that's big. and people don't like that. that's why the word judgmental is a dirty world. >> if people want to hear your radio show -- >> i i'm on all oft country. not every single city but vast c majority of medium and bigm cities and you can hear it on the internet eastlessly and an app to hear me on. i get calls from brazil.
i get calls from -- i think i got a call from uzbekistan once. it is amazing what is possible u now. forecast on the internet look it aiger show. >> syndicated by salem. >> by salem radio. >> yep. what's been the main topic that you've talked about for last two to threeat weeks? >> it's inevitable that there's a lot about obviously what is happen hadding with regard to especially the republican side. and i'll say my show. everybody's show is unique because everybody is unique but mine is a drop more unique than others because i don't only talk about politics. i broadcast 15 hours a week. three hours a day, noon to 3 eastern time, 9-12 western time. andti hour of those -- of that 15 a week is on male, female relations.
and i believe it's the most honest talk about men and women in the media today. an hour is on happiness had id wrote a book on happiness. and i believe that happiness is a moral obligation not merely an emotional state. we'll talk about that greater depth one day because that's what people understand that, it is life changing. so one is on male, female, and one is open issues hour where i just talk about great issues of life are people basically good for example, and so at least three of my hours are not on politics.s. but, obviously, given especially the donald trump phenomenon, there's been a lot the of talkth about that. you wrote on town hall i believe it was that you could support donald trump if he were the nominee. >> right but that was a preface to a big attack on him. o i think he's awful but i would for him if he were the nominee because i believe that unfortunately and i never judge
intentions, but i believe that what the left has done to the country in undoing e pleur has to be toed and there are i'm doing everything i can to have anyone else be nominated.i' but if he's nominated, i have -- i feel i have no choice but to vote for him. >> who y is your favorite? >> i stand by this that i thought marco rubio would have been most effective of the republican candidates. i'm sorryry to see what happened. at the same time, if ted cruz could be appointed, because i know that he has obstacles to winning he could win incidentally, in fact, i'm more of belief of that as time goes on. but ted cruz has a lot of -- i have a lot of admiration for
him. he means what he says and be portrayed as a white wing kook but bernie sanders is not for a man to believe in socialism when the only thingn that is lifted humanity out of the poverty has been capitalism, and that's not considered kooky there's nothing ted cruz that comes close c to e kookiness of bernie sanders. c it's just -- it's lunacy.'s the only thing that has ever lifted a human from poverty has beene capitalism. and the man is for socialism. it's -- poor well said, only stupid only an intellectual can believe it. : you and bernie sanders both jewish, both new yorkers -- that's about it. i would say on both jewish he's jewish ethnically, i'm jewish
religiously and that doesn't mean'm anything to him. you're not obligated in my opinion to affirm what you were born into.in not at all it's america, it's a deeply where as for him it's a nonissue and that's fine.ry that doesn't affect me one way or ohi the other. i would say that his views disturb me tremendously. but not the fact that he is what -- a famous left wing would call he's a nonjewish jew. and that's's not an insult. there's a book call thed the nonjewish jew by isaac and he's describing himself it's not an insult but that's what he said.h i'm a jewish jew and he's nonjewish jew so we don't have much manywi common. >> are you a conservative and if so, are you a purist when had it comes to being a conservative.
i'm never a purist because i alwaysne believe that somethinge better than nothing. i'm not a purist but i'm aiv conservative. deepest of the deepest truth ares is thatt i'm the sam libel that i was when -- when i u grew in brooklyn as a jew and went to columbia which is, you know, almost definitionally liberal. i can't think of almost anything i differed with john f. kennedy on. infact, i have a text, liberalism has been takena over by conservatives. that name has been taken over by the left. the content has been taken over by the right. ever liberal i know is conservative. left is not liberals. liberals with daniel patrick senator from new york state senator henry jackson, of washington state -- kennedy, if here is a test. f all of your listeners, all of your viewers should take john f.
kennedy's inaugural address and hand it to a college student that they know, not with a title of the president. say this was inaugural address given by an american president was it a republican or a democrat?ub and i'm willing to bet that 90% qowld say oh this is a w republican. because every theme. not sure of the theme he believed deeplyin in lowering taxes to stimulate the economy. he believed america had an moral obligation to fight on earth those are not ideas held by the left. those are ideas that were held by liberals. >> dennis pragueer is our guest talk show host author of aboutdi seven books cofounder of pragueer university. upland, california you're theye first call, go ahead, gaye. >> thank you very much. y wow, where to begin
mrs. pragueer, i am -- mostly troubled by his infantile simplistic view that if they live by ten commandments it would be -- that is just the child-like view that you get from the religioush and conservative these days because it's intellectually dishonest. humans are much more complicatet no we don't like to be judged of course not. who does you don't i'm quite sure. >> i do actually. >> i crave that god judges me. because then god are will judge hitlerer and mother theresa. so i want god to judge you and me. so don't speak for me. >> that's what i believe and that increasing belief is becoming more prevalent in this country. forfortunately, but a small religious minority has continued
to force ideology to solidify yourur religion, your values, that's just deeply wrong. [inaudible] to make a huge list of these things that i see -- >> gaye, before we let you go, before we let you go, here are the ten commandments quickly, and which, of these do you -- do you live by, i am lord your god.u you'll have no other gods before me, do not take the lord's namel in vein. remember the sabbath honor mother and father, do not murder, no adultery, steal, do not bear false witness, and do not covet. >> i'm unstar -- i'm familiar with them. >> i went to sunday school as child. >> why is childish to think if everybody lived by these the world would be a good place? >> it's not reasonable to live
by these -- things that are writtens down n bronze age.re people didn't know everything then. forgive me it is irrelevant when it wasyo written. beethoven was written and we still listen. >> irrelevant? >> totally irrelevant because content is what matters. >> we're going to let him answer -- >> i don't understand the objection.e, >> either they're valid or o not valid.ta fact that they are old o doesn't make them invalid anymore than something new makes them valid. what is problematic about do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, lie, what -- why is that bad because it's old.do is there a better code to live by? >> let's go to gaye's first point which was -- religious minority is making her live under these values. >> first of all secular majority is making her live under do not
murder.r. do not -- bear false witness, do not steal, those have been -- have been accepted. i don't the the government to enforce all of these. i don't you to be arrested if you commit adultery.es but i would like people to live by it. gaye would like people to live by it too. what would she like people to violate and irrelevant in the group. you i name them. whatshe like --u thrown out, gaye? >> gaye is gone and we're going to goo on to michael in galesburg, you're on booktv with author dennis pragueer. >> how are you doing liam and pragueer first time caller long time listener. i like to run three things past himm mr. pragueer and then i'll take my answer off the phone. when you read something, you're taking away the war on history so yeah bible is written but a lot of religion before that.
what do you think about america having food shows on where they go around eating biggest g hamburger other thin is what's the difference between consumism and free thought? thankk you. bye. >> did you get that? did you take down those notes? three consumerism and what? >> consumerism and i missed -- misseden his second part there. so we missed that one. >> do consumerism in general so religionon before the ten commandments. religion before ten commandments none of them had a universal god therefore they were only applicable to the tribe, and no religion for example priority the hebrew bible said that you should love the foreigner. it is one of the most ubiquitous statements in the first five books of the bible. m love the stranger because you were strangers in the land of egypt. the idealo that you love the foreigner, idea that all people are created in god's image there was religion prior this is firsi
bock in the history of the world to ban child sacrifice and human sacrifice. people don't understand the spectacular revolution brought by this book.wr they don't because there's a tremendous ignorance and a willful ignorance. but that's a good example. human sacrifice, it was accepted universally and along comes this book an said it is abomination in god's eyes to sacrifice human beings. >> he went on to talk about consumerism. he went on to talk about food shows, but biggest hamburger maybe he's talking about society in general.ut >> i don't have a problem with consumerism. american consumer supports the world economy. if americans started living only on what they needme and not what they would like, then the unemployed around the world would stative starve to death thank godo for the american
consumer he makes the world go round. i would add another thing, obviously, i'm not a big fan of ostentatious consumption, nevertheless i think people should know, in fact, i'vele studied good and evil my whole life.le lennon father of evil of the 20th century he was the father, created the terror state that then later was adopted by hitler and now and stalin. obviously, following hitler. lennon wases aesthetic. lennon he was not a consumerist he didn't buy much. he denied himself pleasure. i -- i'm scared of people generally. not all. a catholic priest who takes ane valve of poverty i respect that tremendously.a but when people say, you know,
oh, i don't anything. i'm a little worried. i want my children to make ach home, and take care of a family. and yes, and have a picket fence and two dogs, what is mocked byt the left, i don't mock. i think it's a beautiful aspiration to want to make a beautiful home for yourself, your spouse andrs your children. >> next call is jim in connecticut. hi, jim go ahead. >> hi, how are you? thanks for having me on. i appreciate the opportunity because this is topic that fascinates me. after listening more to mr. pragueer i have a bunch of other questions but stick with the one that i originally called about that is reframe the question you asked peter is can you be spiritual but not religious. well my question to mr. pragueer is can you believe in god, but not be religious, because frankly the gods that i see in abraham are cartoons, there are
some wags said at one point that is a pointless god. but god is ineffable.d he's infinite. he is not mortal. he or she or it is not limited but we turn god into this cartoon. .. cartoon. we can see how that has really . unfortunately that's why people who think, liberals, reject that very cartoonish god, that god that justifies very unchristian politics of yes consume, consume, consume. i could go on and on but i'm going to stop because he has some interesting ideas. it's just that to me for anyone to call themselves a christian cannot see that love is at the core of christianity and not see
that jesus christ himself rejected the capitalism a type of consumption that mr. prager seems to elevate above all other good news to me kind of blind. i will stop. >> host: june in -- >> guest: just for the record i'm a jew, not a christian. nevertheless, i don't believe that george washington, john adams, james madison and almost every great figure in history believe in a cartoon. that dismissal is very common today. people have a dismissive attitude towards those of us who believe in the god of the bible, and you are certainly free to have that belief but it is not cartoonish. it is indispensable that there is a god who demands that we be good people and to who we will have to enter, as the best idea
ever developed for the creation of decent people. i would like everyone walking along here to field that their behavior -- to feel -- toward other human beings is just like god. i don't know why that is objectionable. i really don't. i can't think of a better idea. to think that i want through life having to be a good person and that god expects me to be good, why does that make people like the last caller angry so much so that he calls what we believe in a cartoon? it's a puzzle to me, frankly. i deal with them on the radio show, i deal with it in e-mail. i can only say that this is what -- it has presented a cartoonish caricature of what we believe in. and then say we believe in the cartoon that they have caricatured. >> host: next call is jacob in fayetteville, georgia.
jacob, you're on booktv. hello. >> caller: thank you so very much. i have one quick concern or question. in the books we talked about, there is so much murder of the folks who are not jewish. i can't understand why is there, i mean, there is more killing in those books than any of the books that are written about a god tight. would you please, you know, just sure why that is? entire villages -- >> host: are you referring to the five books of the torah we spoke of earlier? >> caller: right. >> host: thank you, sir. tragically very fair question and i don't want to interrupt the caller.
>> guest: if there were a law in those five books that said jews, you must kill those who don't believe like you, i would cease to be a believer. it there were just one such verse in the entire hebrew bible i would cease to be a believer for i would not have written in this book. i would opt out of my religion. there isn't a hint of the notion that a should kill a non-jew. that jews conquering canaan, conquered it in a warlike manner, yes, that is a every place on earth was ever conquered. that is what happened but there was no suggestion that you kill people who don't believe as you do. there is no such a suggestion to contact the bible goes out of its way to say you cannot go into canaan until they have become so evil that they deserve
to be taken over. when the amount and the evil was child sacrifice. that's how bad they were. >> host: what's the secret to being a successful radio talk show host? isn't a wide variety of interest? >> guest: i've given up a lot of thought. i've been on for three for your site just, i earned the right to answer your question. this is not necessarily reflect on me but it reflects on really all of my colleagues coming to the people i don't agree with. the first thing, interestingly enough, the first thing is you must constantly be interesting. to be totally honest in giving you an answer. you can be brilliant, you can be anything wonderful, but if your not interesting, people will tune you out. they have thousands of other options in different radio
stations, and listen to books, listening to music, talking to a friend on the phone. it's endless. so the first rule when young people say to me i'd like to be a talk show host, how would i know i can do it? i say very easy. go into a room, sit alone for three hours and the interesting. if you can do that, talking to the wall for three hours, you have a chance. >> host: center is calling in from olympia, washington. please go ahead with your question or comment for dennis rader. >> caller: you and i, we have to be twins. i spend every weekend on booktv. i'm a book called. >> guest: that's right. we have good company with each other. >> caller: i agree. i'm astonished. i am. i'm not able to reach you on the radio here, although i listen to rush on occasion but i urge in
the past. i've been, oh, golly, i've been interested since i was three years old, okay? growing -- >> guest: you have been what? >> caller: i have been missing person since i was three years old and growing at it. it was the nature of her family. i grew up learning. i got a good education. my education was in high school. i went to college and i was pretty disappointed and it was a pretty fair college, but they're just beginning to turn at that point. my religious history, my philosophical, political history goes way back. i am still nominally a republican, but i'm looking around. am also looking at the libertarians.
i think they're coming along. but as far as -- yes. >> guest: let me write it for me to the point, let me react to the point you made about college. because this was a very important part of my own realizations here, religious and otherwise. when i was in graduate school at columbia, i realized i had so many bright professors, but -- i hate to say this, i was taught a lot of johnson. for example, i was at the school of international the shares at the russian institute. i studied the cold war, and i was taught that the clinic was as responsible for the cold war as stalin and khrushchev and brezhnev. and i thought, you've got to be kidding. how could you teach something, a totalitarian empire is as responsible as a democratic society for the cold war?
and then i was taught that men and women are basically the same to the boys are just as happy to play with dolls and religious is happy to play with trucks if you would only give them those specific items to play with. and i realized this is ridiculous. i'm being taught nonsense. and it's gotten worse since i was there. it's gotten worse. and then one day i was walking around my campus in columbia and i was puzzled, why am i learning so much nonsense by so many intelligent people? and then a verse that i learned in jewish school as a child came, just came out of nowhere into me, and that is wisdom begins with fear of god. and i realize all, my god, there's a wisdom in columbia because there's no god in columbia. and there's brightness. there's intelligence. there's a facts at columbia. there's knowledge but there was
no wisdom. and there is no wisdom i enlarge. there were exceptions, some wise professors but as the universities have left their original god bases, which is what all of them had, they have become less and less wise, and more and more, imbecilic or idiotic. that's the truth. i say with the sadness. i did realize that it's very hard come if you believe everything is relative, there is ultimate truth, no ultimate utica it is the ultimate mobile become everything you see individual, the look of the arts. look at what happened to the arts when god died. we went from michelangelo and we went from mozart, and a look at what they have come here in southern california. there is a gigantic sculpture in the front of the museum of art
in orange county, and the sculpture is of a dog lifting his leg and he. it is symbolic in the extreme of what has happened to the arts. ththe ugly, eschatological the ugly, the scatological, deborah means related to excretory functions, to one of the biggest awards jiminy for sculpture for art was given to an artist who sculpted a policewoman crouching and urinating, even the puddle is a sculpted. and backup one of the biggest awards in germany. this is what happens when go dies. so does humanity. >> host: we are at the "l.a. times" book festival on the campus of the university of southern california talking with author and radio talk show host dennis prager. they are our drums going off. there are dogs barking. there are people shouting, people walking by.
i hope you here a little bit of that, but hopefully you were hearing our conversation more importantly. paul in spokane, washington, go ahead. >> caller: hi, dennis. i appreciate you coming on. it's a pleasure to talk with you. i was, i heard about you through several other sources. i identify as kind of a vincent pirro conservative you might say, i am an evangelical -- ben shapiro. westminster confession to i believe that the 10 commandments apply though image of the way. i wasn't aware you were jewish though until just now. so by a regional question was -- so my original question was do you tend to lean towards or side with evangelical dominion us? i don't agree but i just wanted your take on it.
>> hosting before we hear from mr. prager, what is a ben shapiro conservative? [laughter] >> caller: i listen to a lot of ben shapiro and i agree quite a bit with this statement. i like that new young conservative movement, it's a real shot in your. and a lot of what he says makes sense. teaches very logical, very brave and very forthright. postbank thank you very much thank you very much. of course, ben shapiro was on this program last year. but go ahead, mr. prager. >> guest: and he does a lot of good work. the dominionism, and i worked for evangelicals and i personally with evangelicals and evangelical theology. the dominionists as i understand them is that the group would like to see america become a theocratic, or is not just a charge that anti-evangelicals make a? i'm not familiar.
>> host: he is gone. .com is kind of. >> guest: to bed. in general, i would say he, i have a tremendous amount of sympathy for evangelical christians. we don't see theologically completely eye to eye, obviously. but i use of the term judeo-christian values, not judeo christian theology. there is no judeo-christian -- there are judeo-christian values. this country was founded on them. the christians who founded america were deeply judeo-based. margaret thatcher was deeply such. she said western culture is judeo-christian. >> host: a couple of state laws have gone into effect, or not come into effect in north carolina, mississippi, georgia vetoed it. it's about bathrooms. it's about gender equality. it's about, what's it about him in your view? >> guest: it is first and foremost about religious
liberty. so, for example, if i am a photographer and you're going to have a same-sex wedding or a gay wedding as it is often called, and you want me to be the photographer and take part in the wedding and i say, look, i would happily have you sit down and take your photo for your wedding. i would happily take your photo for anything you wanted, but to participate in an event that violates some of my core values, one of which is that marriage has been said definitionally by god to mean the union of one man and one woman to ask you to understand, i can participate in that event. there's been a lot of i think underreporting. the people that i followed, the cases i have followed, i think louisiana and i washington and oregon and elsewhere, it was always opposition to anything, not a person.
the baker in one case always baked cakes for gay customers. that was never an issue. and by the way, i would be opposed. you cannot bake a cake because you don't like someone's sexual orientation. that to me is a given. but asking me to bake a cake for an event, i don't, i don't, forget religion giunta we should have the liberty to say, look, i will bake a cake for you but i am morally, i'm morally opposed to your event. i can say pro-choice baker said i can't bake a cake, or i can't be involved in your pro-life rally. please don't ask me to do that. and i would say, you should have the liberty to say i can't be forced by the state to participate. i keep emphasizing an event that
a fundamentally oppose. america is based on the attention. it is a tension between liberty and religious liberty, and certain act of decency and equally. it is a tension. but to dismiss everybody as a hater who thinks that i need to preserve my right to live by by religious scruples, that's a very dangerous movement in american life. >> host: next call comes from fountain hills arizona. go ahead. >> caller: dennis prager, i'm the biggest talk radio had across all the am dial and you were so be the best. may i borrow a phrase endeavor to make you think a second time, even better to make you laugh. being my favorite contemporary -- because my faith is wrong with catholicism and my philosophy is libertarianism, for i believe in free will and free markets, faith and reason
are two sides of the same coin. in god i trust. so mad quickly say i don't worship man's law, but god's law. so speaking of god's commandments and keeping them safely, a quick a two-part question. how is labeling -- [inaudible] not born amongst us in illegal for migrating to our free country without anybody's permission? and how is it not violating god second greatest commandment, to my fellow republicans to pick and choose who should stay or who should go in our beloved united states, based on aim materialistic worldview judging a migrants worthwhile being in the united states either skills they might present from the here and now? >> guest: so what is the
alternative event for any number, whether it's 20 or 30 million who come in illegally, we should all all of them to remain? i just want to understand your position. there is no border then that should be sacrosanct for any country? >> host: i'm afraid he is gone. sorry. >> guest: let me just say on this and i think it is important, i have said for years and written, summon can certainly search it on the internet, -- someone came -- i have emphasized over and over that if i were a latin american, especially central america, and i could not get into the united states legally, i would go into the united states illegally. i, dennis prager, if i were mexican and i knew i am in one of the most corrupt societies on
earth, and the greater society on earth is 100 miles north of me, i'm going to bring my children to where there is hope, the united states of america, and take them out of the hopeless corruption that pervades mexico. so i would do that. i don't have one moral issue with peopl the people who come n illegally. at the same time, i don't understand i people on the other side don't understand that america has a moral obligation to protect its borders. we can't allow all the humans in the world to live in corrupt places to come here. that would be the end of the united states as we know it. we have to have control immigration. otherwise, the country doesn't, we have rather unique values. so we have to be careful about taking in unlimited numbers of people who often represent different values. for example, if you come from
latin america, and i adore latin america. some of my best friends are latin america and stuff. i put my rhetoric where my values are. i make the point to all those who knock a latin american immigrants year. we here in southern california enormous number of latin americans. they will often, they will gather at corners, they picked up to date as a day laborer's at home. how come we've never heard of one woman raped by any of these men that she takes to her house? not only that, white women will more readily pick up strangers, latin american young man, put them in her suv and take into her house, then white men. that is how much we trust let lt the mystics i just want to make all of that clear. having said that, latin
americans come to america with a latin american view of the state. they should be as big as possible. that's not the american view. it's not been the view that america was founded on, which is limited government. >> host: next call for mr. prager is kerry in connecticut. o. ahead. we are listening. >> caller: good afternoon, people. mr. prager, i get you in connecticut but if i did get you i would be listening because i agree with everything you ever said, everything. rush limbaugh, i listen to because i didn't and marc levin, i love you. he is a constitutional genius. i love ted cruz for the same reasons, and i wanted to say as far as god goes, okay, man is an intricate creature, okay? he cannot accept the idea of a transcendental god. i put it comes from his arrogance because in the bible it says the fool has said there is no god.
my ways are not your ways. resource capitalism goes, if you've ever read ayn rand, okay, the was a big proponent of capitalism, she said if there were no rich or prosperous, the board would never be able to benefit. and jesus i've come to give you life abundantly. >> guest: thank you. agenda respond to those who differ more at greater length in those who agree. so thank you very much. you can podcast me, listen to be on the internet. in any event, thank you. >> host: if she were to find on the net, how should she do that? >> guest: there's both android
and mac apps. dennis prager show, download the app, listen to the show anytime you want. you can go to praeger tobia.com and then you can get commercial free and download any of my shows and then share them with others. you can just listen to me live, dennisprager.com. listen to the show. most of the cases i am on your local station but not in every case. so it's extremely simple. purdue university.com is not just myself. for example, just last week we had george will ask the presenter of the five minute videos that we did. it is meant to change minds. we have 70 million views last year. we are making an impact because i'm worried, i am worried, and to leeward about america. it was founded on certain principles which are being denied. liberty and small government and
a guy based populist, not a god this government but a guy based populist. that was what the founders wanted. if people feel responsible morally to a god, they will generally act better. do you know that secular professors did a fascinating study and found where people believe in hell, it was more ethical behavior there were people do not believe in a hell? which makes perfect sense. if you believe you will be caught speeding, you don't speaker if you don't think you'll ever be punished for speeding, then you will speed. why do we deny basic, simple facts of life? because we want to deny them. as one of the earlier callers said, i don't want to be judged. and you don't either, mr. prager. but i do want to be judged. i pray to god that i will be judged. because if i judge that everybody is judge and vendors more meaning to the universe than hitler and his victims don't have the same fate.
i want mother teresa to be in heaven. i want adolf hitler to be in hell. if you don't want it, there's something wrong with you. you don't want the worst of the worst punished? you don't want the best of the best reward? you've got to go to college to think that foolishly. >> host: you listen to rush limbaugh, mark love in? >> guest: i listen to everybody. the only problem with rush, we are on at the same time. it's a little difficult but i'm friendly with him and i and all of these people of course and i do listen, yes. i listen in the same way that i guess i shaft would eat that fills up other chefs. because we know what goes into it. it fascinates me to see how do o these other guys do with the same issues that i do? >> host: nashville, tennessee,
30 seconds. >> caller: yes, mr. prager, thank you very much for being a voice for conservatism and goods and. i appreciate that. i'm curious, i've been intrigued the last two years with the catholic doctrine of natural law and i'm curious if you what kind of speak to the jewish approach to natural law? >> guest: it's a tough question because i'm ambivalent on the natural law issue. i don't think that you can get, to the extent that it means law coming from nature, from the natural state of the world, i don't think nature provides any moral guidance. i think, ultimately it is nature's god as our founders put it. there needs to be a revelation of good and evil that comes from beyond nature.