tv Conversation with Michael Eric Dyson and Khalil Gibran Muhammad CSPAN May 9, 2016 6:24am-8:01am EDT
implied threat against them and sending hate mails because they are having threat against people. no one can ever be put above the entire trajectory of our movement or tradition that nurtures and sustain us. so for me, right -- [applause] >> so as much as i and we love obama, we have to hold him accountable, you love kids, you don't say nothing to them, i can't be critical, that ain't the negroes i know. that's my husband, i can't be critical. when it comes to obama, you know what, given the rather sharp, stunning, astonishing analogy
that professor mohamed has put forth black people think that tough love is the only love available for black americans, we confuse love with abuse. when bill cosby was doing his thing, we are begging for it. come on. buying tickets to the parade and you -- a you were the disney character and you didn't even know. you in a drama that bill cosby was chilling for. bill cosby was berating but it
wasn't a problem when he was berating black women, it wasn't a problem when he's berating black young children. your garbage gets out every day and pretty soon you will have d dna in the the geto to make sure you're not making love to your grandma. you do the math. that baby has -- 26 six year's old, i might be saving you from having section with your own grandmother. assault and so the point is we
beg for more. i have to do a book signing in la, i thought they were joking. [laughter] >> it was black people because we are resistent to anybody and here is the irony the very people who are beating us up and somebody steps up to try to challenge they get beat up more. that's what happens when you remove the abuser from the home and the woman sides for the abuser because she needs love, welfare, i'm not making that extraordinary, yes, our inability to tell the truth and have a reasonable conversation leads to, let me tell you this, i'm going to make an extraordinary statement to some of you, leads to what we see now with donald trump.
now, i don't go with blame obama for donald trump, i will tell you where i would hold him accountable, your choice is are you going to get ahead of us and ride that and direct it or you're going to lead from behind and get stampede, obama hesitation left, had obama placing his rhetoric, tongue and mouth on the rhetoric of civic engagement and civil and intellectual deconstruction of race, there wouldn't have been a big as when he refused to speak and now all the as a vulchers ascend. sparked the rise of a figure like donald trump that's what
happens when they can't get together to have a serious conversation. >> that sound like harvard stuff to me. [laughter] >> i'm curious about the issue of the body because it seems to me looking at a greater distance and even you, with relationship i don't have either it seems that he wanted to have it both ways. he wanted to both absorb like literally like all the light of black america coming to me and then radiate back out to the world the kind of universal but in doing so he essentially said that because of who i am and what i have achieved none of what you suffer can occupy a
national space, we can't talk about police violence because i don't suffer from police violence. >> that's right. >> it's only in the aftermath of trayvon martin, because of what, because of protests, one of the more-telling moments the case of hadia hamilton. it's a youth-led queer-based black lives matter inspired organization. proceed black lives matter. in the same neighborhood as the president's home. if there was ever a single death, a single casualty, a single casualty you would think this would be the one.
yet there's no president obama giving a newtown speech but black youth project getting 45,000 signatures of the petition to bring ultimately not the president but the first lady to chicago. >> that's right. that's right. >> so, again, standing in for his accomplishment only in this country cannot contain your failures and certainly not your failures that are selected fails that, in fact, only individual failures support that god accepted.
>> amen, amen. [applause] >> i talk in the book and before howard said the time and place how served the preacher whose book jesus and martin luther, jr. carries across the nation and so howard said the time and place of a person's life on earth is the time and place of his or her body. the scandal that those of us who are baptist ministers, god, big, universal, becomes limited and becomes a human being through the body of jesus available for, you know, both resurrection but before that crucifixion, the body, the god gets reduced to
this human being is what happens racially speaking in terms of consciousness, reduced into the shape of a black body and american ideals, the cosmic sweep of american democracy gets reduced, but the brilliance of what you said and what i try to talk about in my book, unlike with jesus, i died for your sins, right, his body becomes exempt from the penalties we pay and we have to die. i can preach it. the point is that as you said, the black whole analogy is beautiful, yet another way of
putting it in terms of not only physical metaphor in terms of physics of race, but think about it in terms of obama's inability to acknowledge what he is responsible for in the interaction with black america as our substitute, obama was big on the fact that he's not going to be president of black america, if he said it to us once, he said it to us 50 times. i am not the president of black america. >> and we didn't want a president, clearly. >> clearly. >> i'm sorry. >> so now you're telling us you're not the president of black america and black people are going to see, he's not the president of blacker america, he's the president of america, gets flipped and now it became that this exceptional black man
would be representative of all of the struggles of black people and at the same time body and rhetoric and his inability to open up and tell the truth about what black people were facing and that is one of the hell of a sacrifice. >> that's right. >> we have a crib, whatever she has -- [laughter] [applause] >> cosmic in santa.barbara. by the way, we were on the outside in a tent that that thing was phenomenal. [laughter] >> so we are out there after she
does tremendous fundraising for obama, it has to be about 2007 or so and chris rock and obama, chris rock says, he was like, his voice, you know my daddy told me, you know, that you can't beat white people, he's talking about pointing like if you're in a fight beating a man i scored this round 10 you get 9, 10-9. at tend of the day, at the end of the fight i got 107 and you got 101, you can't beat them but you can knock them the hell out. we laughed and he tells the story. he says, you know, the great white hope, the gate last hope before the clich coa brothers. they were actually champions. larry holmes, bloody, battered,
beaten down and chris rock looked at obama and when they went to the cards they had cooney ahead. had he knocked the fight he would have lost. you have to knock the hell out. >> we are laughing, gentleman, gentleman, gentleman. black people always want to be celebrated for things they should do. i take care of your kids. you're supposed to take care of your kids. that's what you're supposed to do. obama loves that part but he didn't like the other part where
chris rock black men were basically and black people wrote our backs, all that ain't got nothing to say, so this is the more if you will assessable argument to the brilliant one you made that in the sense he wants to goodies for being associated with black people, one of which is the privilege to and correct us and lecture us but he doesn't want to take up the other part of that responsibility which is to represent us. don't tell me about what white man, tell me about what you're doing, tell me about what you have in your hand moses.
let us move forward and challenge the white supremacy. no better than jesse jackson. he's saying that it takes more than a person who has semen to be a father, any person can make a baby you it takes a man to raise a baby. obama said the same thing at a church in chicago, what was it, what's the name of the church there, the south side? brazer church. obama said any fool can have a baby but it takes a man to raise one. now, you ain't going to call no white fools because you ain't
never call no white people person a fool. that's the kind of license that you take with your own. that's how black people talk, i get it. you can't have it both ways, that's your point. you can't say that's how black people talk and now demand he talks and do like black people do because black people do is talk like that and then represent us, what black people do is talk like that and stand up to white spream -- supremacy and name it the way it is. you can't have one without the other. i think i studied footnotes, i didn't want to get that deep with it. [laughter] >> you ain't lying. on my doorstep. and so a former secret serviceman writing a book, a second one about the presidency and his relationship and the
relationship tells the story that they were protecting the obama. they loved michelle obama for two reasons, she touched them and was kind with them, first ladies, she was very kind and loving and secondly she could scold obama for ways -- they have schedules too. what you're doing. they didn't like her for two other reasons, a, she didn't like republican and she was hard on them and hated them and then in the presidential limo the white secret servicemen tell michelle obama tell her husband every now and again take the black people's side. first of all, you want to thank her for saying that and wondered why the hell she has to tell him
that, why she has to tell him to get our side. he didn't go on his own to tell the trayvon story, the first thing he gave prez release, the laws, the jury has spoken, so when when they said, bro, what you're doing, he got in the white house and delivered one of the most poynant, powerful speech on race given explaining why black people had been perceived by the epic. we were drinking it up big time. >> we have a few questions that we want to get today. i want to end this part of the conversation with if you finished the book with an
analysis of charleston 9. >> yeah. >> i have surprised as to how you got -- shall we say emotionally taken by his rendition of amazing grace. >> powerful. i'm a preacher. >> even before that, you talk about clinton, hillary clinton, the candidate, own treatment of the charleston 9 and on the one hand we get the symbolic of a black tradition of redemption of deferred grace, something to look forward after this terrible life and here we have clinton giving her own version of what happened in charleston and making very explicit demand on this country, talk about what she said because i'm not sure all of us caught that? >> that's right. i'm a sucker for both of them. i'm going to get caught up in
the rhetoric. yes. [laughter] >> i'm down with that. in the moment, and look, those acts of rhetoric were survival mechanisms for black peoples whose backs were against the wall. i will never apologize for celebrating the ability of black rhetoric as i tried to do last night when dr. green honored me but most of all grateful for that award, but i will never as i said last night, my introduction of black literacy was black preacher and the best of them have been phenomenal right here in brooklyn, sany ray, has a sermon of conversation. [laughter] >> i just wrote a piece of kobe
bryant as the greatest player of all time. sorry about that chicago. [laughter] >> so i see where people who put in an incredible work, right, thousands and thousands of jump shots and it's appreciate it. he gets there three hours before and stays two hours later. even michael jordan but kobe was like basketball. shackel -- shaquille o'neal had 30 parties a year and he came to one. he said, what's coming out the gym was the trainer at 3:00 in
the morning. he's practicing at 3:00 a.m. in the morning. we don't appreciate what scholars do at that level, the hard work. that's why i'm going to forever celebrate, that clear. that is years of discipline application of knowledge, wisdom and insight to objects of scrutiny and the over flow is of such power, so obama in the big worldcom pair today white politicians he's a a plus rhetoric, compared to us is a c minus. i'm known as a preacher, that's
my bread and butter, that's where i started. that negro would get up and say i want to talk about, i don't want to talk about god, i want to talk about is. [laughter] >> if you have good religion, i heard on the seven last words when jesus said, it is finished. i-t. the ego of god. the ego was in contrast to
cosmic consciousness. [laughter] >> what? so forgive me, yeah, the preacher in me goes in my book, plus i'm an american and i don't like dramas in europe. my bias is even more deeply inscribed in whom it was not the mere projectory and it was hope, the judgment, they already put pressure on time, that's different and that's what i celebrated obama at its best, the brother because he was trained by one of the best. if you love obama you have to love jeremy. but at the same time some of you saw the piece i wrote for new
republic magazine, yes, she can, hillary clinton will do more for black people than obama. in the book i talk about it. the reality is that when i looked at the speeches of hillary clinton over space and time, this ain't just started two years ago, hillary clinton had been hard game for a long time. i know bernie, i'm not electing a messiah, dude, we are electing a president. bernie sanders on the left are like donald trump on the right, sorry. stop. this is an election, all of these people are flaw. for everything you can name about hillary you can name about everybody but you still have to elect a president, you're still in the game if you're going to be in the game. if bernie sanders become it is nominee i would work for that
brother till the wheels fall off but the bernie sanders people can't say about hillary clinton. always susan sarandon, i won't for trump because the revalueution would come quickly. here is the point, you're so arrogant, not her, collectively to believe that your fallible investment in in finite politician, you would not even consider an alternative within your larger political or idea logical community. that's insane. look for me -- in the new republic piece i came as a skeptic, i talked about all the races and the problematic stuff but when i saw that development, when i saw the transformation, i saw the persistence of her, the
way in which while obama has given us problems he's giving us steak and eggs. concentrated, the -- toffu. a woman who is talking about asthma rates and condition of black people and here is a woman -- look she doesn't have the charisma of her husband and she ain't got the skin color of obama, so what she has left, she has public politics, the only thick she can win negroes over go right. obama has the black card. let's be honest, everybody with that much power are going to play you. you have to be jesus not to play somebody. you have to be a prophet not to resist that.
my point is she doesn't have black ie dent if i -- identification. the ability to charisma. [laughter] >> boring hillary, obama can excite it but under him we have done poorly than anybody else. under obama, unemployment rate just now is back up from 4.9 two days ago when they had the job reports to 5%, still great, your
economy great and bailed out the banks, he gave us health care, he gave us the automobile strengthen, look, i don't care what you say, obama is going to go down at one of the greatest presidents we've ever had and he would be like the black ronald reagan. his reputation would be like ronald reagan. barack obama is the shaquil o'neil of presidents. shaquil o'neil won but couldn't shoot free throws. he can't speak honestly and openly about race. hesitation was lethal and big-ole space that is been occupied by donald trump. two forces cannot occupy the same space at the same time so
would have precluded some of the reactionary, retaliation of the collective unconscious of a white supremacist mind set, what i'm saying is that hillary clinton directly addresses that, is she a person that's ideal no but a woman who has been treated with extraordinary forms to me sexism, the sexism that hillary clinton gets is pretty dam astonishing. if the orange face john boehner cries, oh, my god profound maculinity. why are you crying. the woman doesn't have access to emotions, at the end of the day, the constant drum beat of her own public life has been about
meeting crises of people with public policy that would at least have the potential to address them. that's why i'm rolling with her and that's why i think that she offers so much than obama has and than obama could. her husband certainly did than obama. you can't play the saxophone or can't dance, no literally, he can't dance. [laughter] >> stop it, stop it. but because he doesn't have permission to be black in the way that the white man has had permission to be black, i'm not suggesting the bill clinton is the iggy azelia of president but aappropriated that to a certain degree but -- [laughter] >> there's a way in which obama
doesn't have the privilege to be publicly black but i'm acknowledging that but at the same time he lack it is courage to tell some of the truths about this that hillary clinton might more easily do without the same amount of courage and yet it does take a certain kind of courage that speak back to whitens in the way that makes you appear to the very people that produce you, that's what i meant when i talked about hillary clinton. >> i want to remind that book is on sale. if black america has stood as perhaps the best constituent for limit of presidency, would it stand up in the face of a hillary presidency to remind america what the limit to presidency, are rehead today reversal or called to a
contradictions because we have as a community talked a lot about what presidents can't do. so you just talked about hillary clinton essentially playing a kind of race card and i don't mean that in a cynical sense, she is pushing herself in front of black america and before bernie he gets whiter and older of the week because of hillary supporting the south and one wonders what black people are expecting from the presumptive democratic nominee. >> right. that's a brilliant point and sarcastic. i love that. i love that. no. your point is so well taken which is why black people should have been warned about this and you should have used because your point was if you ain't going to ask nothing to him, if i'm the next white president,
don't ask me nothing. i'm going to be like this. you ain't asking him nothing. so now you're going to come to me and i'm a white person, you had a brother up in here, a brother beloved, not you're asking more of me than of him, that's why it was always dangerous for us to do that. let me be even more sarcastic, i tell black people, we are on the wheel of ronald reagan of politics, we didn't give him no break, all these constructions. we were like i don't give a dam, you're the president, this is what you're supposed to be doing . we ain't had so many qualification as when obama became president. you know the president can't do anything.
i never heard negroes say that. [laughter] >> i have never heard negroes say and have so much knowledge about the constitutional limits of representing the democracy. when did y'all become constitutional college? i have never seen so many negroes be interested in that. i understand it. i had to learn the pledge of allegiance. [laughter] >> i'm just being joking. i'm just joking. let me tell you right quick because i want to finish your point. if you have not asked and demanded obama to do the right thing, you're given up your ability to tell the next president, which is why you have to be on him, you have to be on all presidents, what's interesting is black people kept giving him a pass that they didn't give ronald reagan, george bush, we were the
hypocrites for giving obama a pass that all presidents to be subjected. but you know it's different, and i go, yes, i do know it's different. but because it's different incident because obama has been the first president to be called a liar f he's the first one and knows it, why couldn't he know that if they're doing this to me, what are they doing this to regular negroes, if they're doing to me, what are they doing to negroes that have no body guards, it has never occurred to him to believe in our condition, so here is the paradigm, couldn't kill him, kill us in the streets, couldn't contain him, contain us, the state
wanted to do things to us couldn't assassinate him have assassinated us. i think your point is absolutely right about presidential office and black people have hypocrite ically made an argument. same about gave and lesbian and transgender people. justify why women couldn't be preachers and when did you choose to be gay or when did you choose to go straight. you didn't go to your momma at 12 year's old, i've made a choice and now i want to be straight. i want to holla athese
hootchies. forgive more our sexist remark that our young people make that's remarkable and, yes, we think it's a choice as oppose to the collective enterprise of an awareness that people have about who they are. i'm saying the way black people use the bible and the same white supremacy use against us. when on obama came, that was on us and if we don't hold him accountable, we have lost our moral authority to hold any president accountable in the united states of america. [applause] >> and on a positive note, it is our young people who have been
the most explicit in holding him accountable. >> no doubt about it. in the way that they paid an enormous price for it. and one of the things we haven't talked about the obama presidency has -- when jesus said i come to deliver a sword and divide mothers and fathers, y'all know that -- y'all saw that i wrote about cornell west. obama has left casualties in hits wake, cornell west, shirley sherod. i have disagreements with weston and smiley, human beings who have fallen by the waste side,
think about what that might mean. >> speaking of choices and marginality, why are black women still so marginalized in our community? >> because we are sexist, because we are incapable of imagining leadership that is female and yet that female leadership has been the thing that basically saved us and nobody -- check this out. no other group of people have done more for black men than black women, we can't even trurn favor. for the structure and philosophy, we i composite a church and wanted to make it
look like jesus believed it -- [laughter] >> i did that for the year, my key didn't fit in the door, oh, my god, they're changing the lock, oh, my god, they're going to surprise me. they're going to give me a new office, oh, they did all right. there were many more people. i must be getting good. i must be a good preacher. people that i have never seen before. pastor we have a problem in the church, let's fix it, he said, it's ewe. you are trying to come down here and ordane these women and change our ways and i found out that local said you're going to let this yellow negro, he didn't say, this yellow niger come down here and mess our church up and
that morning they took a vote and put me out of the vote. now, a lot of people who voted with them were women. that negro right there leads us, i live with those negroes. unsexy and unreliable methodology. the reason we do it, we get rewarded, the reason we do it because women and visibility is never a problem to a degree that it forces us to think about and never better represented than barack obama that couldn't find a negro woman, a black woman who was worthy. [applause] >> i know a lot of black people said he had to play -- if you're playing chess, get a black woman because they ain't going to support anybody you want anybody and you expose their racism but,
b if hillary wins and she can do a recess appointment you put in place a black woman who will now step up into the spot. if you're going to take a chance, take a chance real. obama is represented of that very problem of not understanding. let me tell you the signal to white america, just like y'all, i can't find a good one. i'm not going to the black candidates, i'm going to the best candidates. man, that took a loss of little finger in the face of black america. >> speaking of middle finger -- [laughter] >> the next question is about his recent visit to cuba and it comes from mic, i can't read the last, mic or mike, historical trip to cuba do you think he met with asada shakur?
>> hell no. people try to spread the story that obama demanded shakur be returned no. i don't >> i don't think it did, absolutely. >> come on. i met with her when i was in cuba. if that can give you some love up in here. [applause] >> no, he didn't meet with her. now, look, we know why he couldn't meet with her. i'm not trying to -- obama did not go and meet with a woman who was in the ten most wanted list for the last 25-30 years, of course not, of course not he's not going to meet with her and say i want to have a conversation with a sister and she wasn't available. the problem he represents a
state that undercuts legitimacy of asada shakur, there was the more available reason to do so and the greatest pass any president has been given for any black political figure f he couldn't do it then, there was no way he was going to go to cuba and with all that was going on there immediate -- meet with sada shakur. and unfortunately obama's inability to be ahead of the curve and come to the game late suggest that there's no way in the world he would have mobility to meet with asada shakur. i wish he would. look at bush and clinton how they pardon people on the way out.
>> it's been said that bill clinton -- now take this -- is a canine. i was going to say dog, but canine. 100 people in the room, 99 people like you, but the one doesn't. what does the dog do? right? clinton wanted to know, why don't you like me? i'm good. i do things. i'm smart. okay, that's great. [laughter] come on, y'all, work with me here. i'm smart! [laughter] i'm smart! so the dog is like 99 people dig you, but i don't care about the 99 people, i care about the one. obama's like a cat. [laughter] the cat is like if you dig me, that's cool, if you don't, kiss my ass. [laughter] there's something sexy and beautiful about that. [laughter] when it comes to race, he just wants to be accepted. and i understand that, but sometimes -- look, let me take the first part of the question,
then i'll take the second. we should strive to be in a multicultural reality be as conscientious as we can about specific races, you've got multiple varieties of differences that operate simultaneously, you know? and if we were living in texas, we'd feel the difference. if we were live anything california or florida, we'd feel the difference. you feel it in new york, but in a different way. so the reality is that all while that's true, the black/white divide has been the major artery through which the bigotry has flowed throughout the body politic in history. the dark/light thing is real. so don't act like color don't make no damn difference. having said that, at the same time, we've got to work toward a
world when it's possible for us to the talk about race in a way that helps people understand what's at stake, right? now, malcolm x, you know, that iconic moment when the white come comes up to him and asks him what she can do, he says, nothing? that might satisfy our anger, but it can't satisfy our passion for knowledge. that was, to me, a missed opportunity. what this man does, what dr. green does, dr. reynolds does here at the university, at the college, you know, what people are engaged in doing, dr. sander and -- dr. alexander and all the wonderful folk, what they're engaged in doing is understanding who they are, but also willing to tell the truth to people who might have to have it explained. i loved the panel on hip-hop. when they were talking about, hey, i don't want to write no essay, but when i do hip-hop, i don't have to explain it.
well, first of all, you do have to explain what you saying. [laughter] now, you can say it to people who assume, but even there there's generational difference, geographical difference. look, even back in the day, you know, if you were born in upper middle class chicago or in california or detroit, you didn't know what we knew in the hood, watch out for thatally apple. finish alley apple. excuse me? is that an apple that grows in the alley? no, that was a brick. we was talking about a damn brick. watch out, son. [laughter] so those differences make a difference. you have to explain. and i know that some of our students go i ain't here to explain to you. i'm a black student, and i'm here to get an education just like you. i get it. look, i understand that, you get fatigued. but wait a minute, at the same time, look, when this man go to harvard -- he going to remember this too. he going to get readjusted very soon to what we've been doing. [laughter]
he knows, i'm joking. so we don't need a panel for that. you ain't in my class. that's my job. white folk see you on television, dr. dyson. look, i don't -- i gotta do it. i have to explain. i'm invested in explaining. i don't see that as a surrender of my position of authority. i don't see that as somehow antithetical to my you are vial. i see that as an extension of a traditioning that is humane, that wants people to learn. if people are interested and curious enough to want to know and are willing to be self-critical and examine their own biases, then i got to talk to them. that would be like me saying i don't want to talk to people that are homophobic in my church. they're there. let's talk. i think talking is better than fighting and bleeding and hurting and damning and harming. [applause] so for me, i think we should do that, but we should also challenge. obama got that part right. the part he doesn't and didn't
and maybe never will but i don't know, is the fact that you got the ear of white folk, you got to challenge them, sir. you can't just -- the one time obama was willing to challenge people as white people, because he challenges black people as black people. when you talk about field your kids chicken and all that stuff, that's challenging us as black people. obama did it one time before he became president. you know that famous fund raiser in san francisco when he said those people who are white get their guns. we gun-cleaning -- she's funny as hell. [laughter] so obama tried that one time, what did white people do? clowned him. clubbed him. criticized him. and what did he do? he shut9 the hell up. now, first of all, if negroes had done the same thing thing the first time he came at us going to morehouse college telling negroes ain't nobody going to give you nothing you didn't earn. nigger, please.
[applause] here you are being the only black person that day who got a degree you didn't earn, because you got an honorary degree. and i'm not calling him a nigger. i don't want people to record this, i'm not calling obama a nigger, i'm saying, nigger, please, as in exclamation. [laughter] all right? so what i'm saying, you're the only person who got an honorary degree, and you spoke to them -- because i read the speech. he went out of his way to identify with white women who were victimized my sexism. so i'm saying can we get some of that. so this guy who has gone out of his way has not understood that you have got to challenge white people too. you can't always, as my pastors tell me about my congregation, you can't just shout at my people all the time, make 'em say hallelujah, you got to make
'em uncomfortable. and obama has never deliberately -- he makes white people uncomfortable just by being, but not just your existence. just by breathing. he has been profiled president while black, presiding while black. he has been profiled in the oval office. even the president! but he made them uncomfortable inadvertently as a consequence of who he is, as an ancillary feature of his unite. but his -- of his identity. but his inability to challenge white folks is one of the great marks against him and lacking in courage. yeah, even with the limits that were imposed upon him, even with all of the vicious obstruction he faced, he was willing to do a lot of stuff. he was not willing to tell the truth. as much as possible within reason to white america about the things it was doing. and this is what people tell me all the time, well, when he gets out of office -- michael jordan said he was going to talk about
race when he got out of basketball. nobody give a damn then, homey. so the next president is hillary clinton. obama's going to be a star forever among us, right? here's the irony. i'm not saying white america won't accept him in the global -- but you know who east going to love him most. it's going to be black people. on the backs of black people, toni morrison said, america was built. as the implicit predicate of black inferiority as a means to -- for immigrants to become americans. hey, we can talk -- dog the negro. if we dog them, we get in league with them. even white arabs who before 9/11 were symbolically white in many ways. now, we know the islam phobia is deep and profound, but i grew up in detroit, michigan. uh-uh saw the way in which the -- i saw the way in which absorption to whiteness and then
after 9/11 sand nigger, and they got demonized, and now joined those of us who have been terrorized. so my point is when we think about this in the collective, obama failed us the that degree. smart as he is. and he's half white. you know, is and he knew what upset white america, and he deferred to it in a way that disallowed him. he not only failed black america, he failed white america too. to have them own up to their traditions and their trajectories. and when he does get out of office, i hope he has a successful career, i hope we continue to love him. but he will not have the bully pulpit that he has right now in the remaining months. i don't expect him to paint the white house black, but red, black and green would be beautiful. laugh half. [applause] >> thank you, mike dyson. don't forget books on sale, book signing to follow. thank you all for coming out this evening. >> let's give a big hand for the conversation.
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you can watch all previous programs on our web site, booktv.org. >> coming up on c-span2, next "the communicators" with fcc chair michael o'rielly. then a panel on cybersecurity. after that a look at america's water supply. at 11 a.m., a discussion on hate speech and campus speech codes. >> c-span, created by america's cable television companies and brought to you as a public service by your cable or satellite provider. >> host: and this week on "the communicators" fcc commissioner michael o'rielly, one of two republicans. thank you for being with us. >> guest: thank you so very much for having me. >> host: want to start with one of the issue that is the fcc recently worked on, that was the charter/time warner merger. why were conditions put on that merger? >> guest: so i should be careful here. that actually, that item is still before the com