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but we're in good shape. there are nicely put hiccups. are there any problems you foresee right now or any problems you have had so far in the planning, execution of organizing the convention? >> the advantage of this being my second time at bat is that i knew where hiccups were likely. we had a first rate relationship with our host committee.
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early enough to watch republicans, we will be glued to the set and to see what we are dealing with and blow off and we are ready and i've got a great team who has made smooth sailing so we are not expecting any huge problems that we are not prepared to deal with. >> follow up real fast with the question about the last republican conventions, they've had issued with hurricane, do you have anything prepared just in case a hurricane strikes during your commission? >> i would like to think i have a line upstairs and i'm going to be relying on that. we are not expecting any hurricanes. maybe a little heat, but, you know, everything is air conditioned so we will be fine. >> thank you, you have a question from the front row,
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lorna. [inaudible] >> i work with the press club's online news letter. i've been reading various reports that philadelphia has purchased an armored vehicle, that's not true but also a long list of riot gear that the republicans have purchased. you mentioned all the hotel rooms, all the other things. can you say anything about what you have done in terms of particular safety gear and potential trouble solve gear. >> we have not purchased that nor will we. we like bicycles, bicycles are very effective.
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police on bike interact with people better and had special detail, civil affairs. they have the ability to speak with people. they're not in uniform, they're in suits generally, they have orange armbands to identify them. they have the ability to interact with people on a cordial way and find out who is leadership is and set ground rules in general and kind of keep everybody, you know, not in line, but together and work with them. and bicycles have been extremely effective in the events that we have been doing and bicycles that what we like to do. our people are trained. we went through occupy for a period of time. every single roll call at the -- each officer was read by commanding officer the first amendment, so they understood why they were out there and what they were doing and what their purpose is. the purpose is to keep people safe no matter what you think about what it is they're saying, it's there to be safe and we have no interest in any kind of
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military vehicles, our police are equipped, more importantly here than anywhere else. and i think we have the ability to talk to people. >> while you're up here, mr. mayor, it's about election day, your transit authority had strikes, correct me if i'm wrong in 1983, 86, 95, 98, 2005, 2009, most recently 2014, i understand the contract for the largest union there union workers expires the weekend before the election. do you have any concerns about a transit strike that could happen during the election day when a democratic vote might tamp it down? >> hurricanes, strikes. no, well, the relationship with this administration and organized labor is strong. organized labor has been a
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wonderful part of this convention process both inside the building and outside the building helping to raise money. we are together, obviously we had a huge political and legislative issue recently with the sugar, sweet and beverage tax which we passed anywhere in the major city. our labor unions were very much with us and helping us. our municipal junes and construction trades, we are proud of our labor force and i don't suspect, i'm not speaking for transit workers, considering the environment that we are in now, i don't expect that to be the case and i don't expect to have those issues help -- resolve those issues well before that. >> maybe i can ask -- actually mr. tamari. >> a question on the donor list. why wait 60 days after when it
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doesn't do a lot of good two months after the event happened, why is it the decision to wait? >> well, i think if you look at past conventions, we are required to file 60 days after the convention, we are going to file 60 days after the convention just like every single convention in the past. i think if you ask our friends in cleveland they are doing the same. we are in the middle of process for fundraising for a very big project and we are going get there and we are going to make our goal. we are hitting our goals by right now we are in the middle of it and have 30 days to close strong just like the sec wants us to file. after that everything is going to be transparent down to the dollar amount and give a look at where cleveland spent money and and i think at that point 60 days later once the dust settles and we look at a huge success in philadelphia, everyone will get the accurate picture of where we
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are at and why we did what we did. we feel comfortable with that and that's what we are doing. >> thanks, another question over. mr. jackson. >> herb jackson and i had a question for the mayor, you're probably going to be bringing police officers from outside the city. have you had any cooperation or noncooperation with governor christy about new jersey troopers and also when you talk about how your guys train for this if you're bringing officers from other departments, i know i found in charlotte when they brought in police from all over north carolina, a lot of them didn't know what they were doing. >> i'm not sure about the contingent relative to new jersey police. i have worked together very closely with pope and other events. i'm not sure of the number of troops. we have worked with them and we know them. the secret service does have a lot to say about what happens and our relationship with the
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federal authorities, the secret service, fbi, homeland security, commissioner ross before him and commissioner ramzi had relationships with those agencies, we expect to be seamless and flawless. and no there's not been any new jersey issues as far as i know. >> i just we wanted to add something in terms of the coordination and lea mentioned it and the mayor mentioned it, i left it out, i think in terms of the coordination, if you look back, this really started years ago during the bid phase of this when we were looking at the site visits and putting the plan for philadelphia. the one thing that gets lost sometimes and we try to do this to the best of our ability when leah was in technical advisory committee, the track record of hosting big event is second to none. it's something that we had to
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demonstrate during the process and if you look at where we are today because of the relationship we have it's something that we don't talk about often but the dnc and host committee we host office space. we don't go into each other's offices and figure out where we need to go next. this is a process well over two years for successful convention for the democratic party. i just want to make sure that was said. i think it's important. >> thank you, looking back to the audience. over herement one second. please identify yourself. >> hi, i'm carrie levine. the fundraiser left to do is just under 10 million, can you clarify whether the money that's -- that you're counting towards the goal at this point is pledges or cash that's already been collected, is it already in hand? >> it's a combination of cash
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and commit members. similar to what we talked a months ago. cash and commitments. >> in addition to that, i wanted to ask the mayor to expand on something that he said which is that the organized labor has been helping with the fund raising and to address the role in what they're playing. >> i think they have been solicit today contribute to the event and have. i don't know the numbers, but i know that there are a number both locally and statewide andnationly. -- and nationally democratic supporters. i'm not exactly sure of the numbers. i'm not deeply involved in the fundraising, my role is making sure that the trains are on time and that we are where we are supposed to be with police and sanitation of streets and all the other things.
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nationally labor unions gravitate towards the democratic party. >> so maybe you can address what percentage of the fundraising base they are this time. >> i can tell you this, from the very beginning when philadelphia decided to put name, both in terms of support financially the commitment to the work that's being done at the arena, even if you talk to the friends in philadelphia in 2000, they had shirts made that said republicans for a week. that gives you a sense to have labor community in philadelphia, probably the best labor community and blessed to have their support in many ways. >> thank you, before the last question, let me do a couple quick announcements. tomorrow we will have the labor
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secretary tom pérez at noon, also tomorrow former canadian secretary of state for asia pacific david kilgore and david natass, detailed and comprehensive report on dealing specifically with the use of prisoners of conscious as a profitable organ source. the next day, we also have another news maker with kim rocio, external officer for the tragedy assistance program for survivors to discuss efforts, offer comfort and care to those who are grieving loss of service members. who does a great job in putting these together and i will go to my last question which i hope each of you will answer for attendees, for residents, what is the best advice you can give them.
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>> comfortable shoes. [laughter] >> lots of water. remember that the delegates will be done mostly between 5:00 o'clock and 11:00 o'clock at night all the restaurants will have availability, come out and utilize that space until the delegates get out and enjoy the process. enjoy the fact that you're living in a city that birth democracy and that this is a historic democratic happening, feel it, get out, go to politico fest. get your kids involved as being potential voters going forward. democrats have fun. >> i think just simply put keep an open mind and realize that when you visit philly you're visiting the greatest american city in my opinion. keep an open mind and enjoy all
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the fruit that is philly has to offer. >> i wanted to thank you all for being here, i'm sure i'll have more questions as we get into the convention in philadelphia. but thank you, mayor, thank you reverend, thank you, kevin. i appreciate it. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> a live look here at the washington plaza hotel where in
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just a few moments we will hear from democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton's national security and foreign policy plans, we will hear about those from her senior policy adviser jake sullivan, this is part of a day-long conference that's being hosted by the truman national security project. this portion of today's event which jake sullivan will be getting underway in just a few moments. [inaudible conversations] >> again, we will be hearing from jake sullivan, senior policy adviser for the hillary clinton presidential campaign that's taking -- he's taking part in the day-long conference
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that's being hosted in washington, d.c. by the truman national security project today, our live c-span2 coverage should get underway here in just a few moments. road to the white house coverage continues this weekend as well, on sunday we will hear from hillary clinton, she'll be giving remarks to the u.s. conference of mayors, that takes place in indianapolis, you can see mrs. clinton's comments on our companion network c-span and then an interview with fellow candidate bernie sanders on life and career in politics, senator bernie sanders sat down with c-span earlier this week for that conversation. we will show it to you sunday at 6:30 a.m. and 9:30 p.m. eastern time. that's also on c-span. back here at washington plaza hotel in washington, d.c., we will hear about the democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton's national security and
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foreign policy plans, jake sullivan who is her senior policy adviser will be speaking. we expect the event to get started shortly live on c-span2. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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>> we're about to get started, if you don't mind taking your seats. we are going to kick this off in just one more minute. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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[inaudible conversations] >> again we are live here in washington, d.c. at the washington plaza hotel. jake sullivan who is senior policy adviser for the hillary clinton presidential campaign will be speaking about mrs. clinton's national security and foreign policy plans, that should get underway in a few moments. it's part of a day-long's conference. hillary clinton had comments earlier today concerning the referendum vote in the united kingdom yesterday, this from, hillary clinton says economic uncertainty
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sparked by britain's choice to leave the european union, under scores the need for calm, steady , experience leadership in the white house. the presumptive democratic nominee says the united states' first task doesn't hurt american families and released a statement on the brexit vote friday morning. we will be with hillary clinton in the u.s. conference of mayors sunday, live from indiana indiana. that'll be on companion network c-span and we will also hear from bernie sanders. c-span spoke with senator sanders earlier this week. we have that interview that will air sunday as well. waiting for the event with jake sullivan to get underway, our live coverage on c-span2.
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[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> we should be hearing from hillary clinton campaign senior policy adviser jake sullivan in
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just a few moments here. we are live at the washington plaza hotel. this event taking part -- taking part of a day-long conference hosted by the truman national security project. looks like it's about to get underway. >> good afternoon, truman, let's settle down, we've got a great speaker tonight. thank you, team. we can just settle down. i know it's been a spectacular day, we talked about a lot about the critical issues. we're about to have the agenda set by our next speaker. truman community we are in the battle that we have been preparing for years. i'm a truman democrat, i've worked in campaign and the private sector and spent six years in army reserve, lost
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friends, as truman democrats we understand the stakes of the political battle we are in. we believe that a safe great america is grounded in our values leads to diplomatic strings and uses the best of hard and soft power. in a hostile world it is even more important for us to fight for our values and for a vision of america and global strength that is optimistic and strong. the question this year, the question right now is are we going to build on american values, on truman values or are we going to abandon and run away from what has made us great. we have a republican candidate who infuriating and accidentally reminds us of what we stand for because of what he's against and what we are against because of what he stands for. he favors a nuclear arm's race and abandoning our allies, he
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ignores the bill of rights and ignores climate change, he supports torture and random killing of families of those who oppose us. he was for the iraq war before he was against it. he is a strange porky crush on dictators on russia and china who wish us harm. he presents us with a choice of a leader who is unfit, unstable and unqualified as oppose to hillary clinton who has the experience, intelligence and character to lead. this year it is critically important that all of you engage. since '08, to many of our american citizens feel left behind, they're drawn to anker, hostility and fear, it is our responsibility and we have to tools to paint an optimistic mission, a vision of american greatness that's based on strength but grounded on values and sustained by our best hopes
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as opposed to our base fears and no one is better to paint that picture than our own brother, truman fellow jake sullivan, the first author of a truman sign peace, the architect of the iran nuclear deal, an incredibly overqualified public servant who has dedicated his life to public service. the iran nuclear deal, a classic application of hard and soft power of fact over fiction and hope over fear. jake, my only advice to you that you take harry truman's campaign advice, carry the battle to them, don't let them bring it to you. put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. jake sullivan. [cheers and applause]
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>> thank you for that i know credibly kind introduction and to the truman community, it's just remarkable to stand here in 2016 at the truman conference and see how this organization has grown. i remember when rachel klein kleinfeld were thinking and to see how it's evolved over time spread across the entire country, covering every sector of our national security community, making a difference in the national conversation and individually so many of you contributing in ways big and small to national security, i mean, there really is just an incredible honor to be able to be here tonight to speak to you. i have been part of the truman family, the truman community basically since the start. i helped in little ways when rachel and matt were getting it
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off the ground and really i keep using this term, truman family or truman community because it is a community of people who while we may not see eye to eye on every specific issue, we all share a few fundamental things, a passion for the idea that the united states of america has to lead in the world and has to lead with strength and purpose, a view that we need strong and smart national security policy to be able to keep our country safe and to advance our interest and values around the world, and perhaps most importantly, a shared intellectual commitment to finding the best, most durable ideas to the very hard national security questions that we confront every day, and they are hard. if you look around the world right now, there are difficult problems and there are wicked problems, and the thing that i've always found so compelling about this organization and about the people who make it up
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is that nobody turns their face away from it, nobody tries to take the easy way out. people are willing to grapple with and struggle with the difficulties of operating in the challenging international environment that we find and face in 2016. and specially to the people outside, once upon a time, i lived in a far away place called minnesota and have spent the last several years basically up and down the east coast, but to all of you who are carrying the message and the ideas and the vision of this community across the country, to your hometowns and communities, that is one of the most important and ingenuous parts of the organization. i just want to say thank you and bless you for expanding the scope and the circle and the perspectives of the organization . one more sort of broad reflection before i make comments about the challenges that we face ahead of us is that truman -- the truman
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organization started during the bush administration as a vehicle for setting out a strong and smart progressive foreign policy alternative and that basic mission is an enduring mission, but at this point actually where we stand today in the national political debate about foreign policy it's an incomplete mission because donald trump is challenging some of the most basic precepts of american foreign policy. on allies, nuclear weapons, american values, on what makes our country great in the first place and so whereas in 2002 it was a debate that sort of accepted a certain level of parameters for what the conversation would look like. today i would just urge all of us to think about going back to basics, we have to be able to effectively articulate and aggressively defend first principles. the very idea of american
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leadership, the simple proposition that to be strong at home we also have to be strong abroad and vice versa. that is now our charge. now, i believe deeply that americans, the american people are not isolationists but we have to acknowledge all of us that they are looking around the world right now and asking, what should we make of all of this and we need to take their questions and concerns seriously and we need credible answers. now, i will come onto donald trump in a minute, but i do want to just take a little while to reflect upon the moment that we are in in our national security. everyone who works in foreign policy or national security at any time in government likes to pick the moment to say it's the most complicated, the most challenging, the most difficult national security moment we have ever seen, but in our case it's really true. [laughter]
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>> there have been periods in our history, of course, where we have seen geopolitical competition, there have been periods in our history where we have had the strategic threat of terrorism but today we are facing both of these, geopolitical competition and terrorism from isis and al-qaeda and associated networks and at the same time we are also dealing with technology creating both new opportunities and new threats, cyber and pandemics and the like. the global turbulence that we are facing now along with domestic challenges here at home, these are all contributing to this pervasive sense that i've talked about, the american people sitting out there saying, what is going on, can someone please explain what is happening in the world, and if you think what they have seen over the past ten or 15 years, you can
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understand a certain level of puzzlement. two costly wars with unsatisfying outcomes, painful financial crisis, rise of new powers like china and return of old powers like putin's russia, persistence and terrorist threats floating out of an islamic world struggling with collapsing state structures and hopes and then, of course, a healthy dose of domestic political dysfunction in washington. so we have to be fair and say these are dented for some people a sense of strong confidence in our capacity to shape the world, but they shouldn't dent our confidence, we should be confident and we should believe that we are capable of stepping up and doing our part to make our people strong and safe and to lead the world towards a future of prosperity because of
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all of our flaws the united states is the only country that can step up and get the job done . it was a satisfying opportunity to really lay out the choice in this election, and in that speech she consciously used the term american exceptionalism because she believes we are exceptional and we do have exceptional capacities to go about building that better future for our people and for all people. so the question then is, okay, those are some nice big words, but what's the agenda, what are we actually going to do, how do we actually advance america's foreign policy and national security around the world? this is what i want to spend a little bit of time talking about today and pardon me if at various points i get a little bit wonky, i actually need a
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break from the campaign trail so i am going to set aside some of the campaign language and talk a little bit about seriously about what i think the basic project of american policy has to look like over the next 5, 10, 15 years. at its core i believe that it's to update global order to reflect current realities in the real world while at the same time fundamentally continue to protect interests and values. we have to do both of those things at ones, we have to acknowledge the changing realities in the world, the new voices, the new trends but we also have to hold on precepts and propositions that have existed since we initially construct it had global order after the second world war. to be updating the order according to new realities and at the same time making sure that the order that emerges at
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the end of that effort continues to reflect, protect and rerespect our interests and core values. i think that is in a nutshell what stands before us and i believe that the next decade offers a crucial opportunity for getting this right, for putting that basic organizing principle in practice, because if we let things drift, events are going to shape us rather than the other way around. so let's get them right. and here, i think, it all comes down to three basic steps, reinforce, rebalance, reshape. reinforce, reinforce the foundations of american power and prestige, that means reinforcing economic foundation and secretary clinton talked
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about investments. reinforce our political foundation and i will come back to this at the end, the state of our politics today requires quite a bit -- well, reinforcement might be a nice word but total fixing up would be a way of putting it. reinforce foundation of values. many of you guys know better than i do that the reservoirs and the degrees to which young people and the rest of the world look to the united states and see a moral beacon have been depleted over time. that's partly because an entire generation of people around the world have grown up seeing as emblems of american foreign policies things like guantanamo and have not learned about all of the things that the united states did for decades in the cold war to stand up for freedom and opportunity. so we have work to do around the
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world to recommit ourselves and to spread the message of how the united states does stand for a set of core universal values and principles and does want to fight for women's rights and internet freedom and religious liberty and democracy and all of the things that have layed at the core of a progressive policy agenda and that so many of you guys work on every day. and then, of course, we need to reinforce the foundation and almost everywhere you look on the geopolitical compass our oldest and most important allies in europe are hard pressed. now we have brexit from the west. we have a massive migration crisis from the south, we have a resurge in russia from the east and hillary clinton believes passionately and powerfully as do i that reinforcing the transatlantic partnership are absolutely crucial to america's
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national security in the days ahead. this is a fundamental difference of opinion between her and donald trump which thinks we should walk away from alliances and give up on national balance sheet, hillary clinton couldn't see it more differently. strengthening alliances and strengthening the alliances across the pacific with japan and south korea and australia, thailand. rebalance, a lot of you guys have heard the term rebalance as applied to the rebalance of the asia pacific and i want to take one second to talk about that but i actually believe we need three basic kinds of rebalances, a rebalance of the asia pacific where we are elevating engagement in the area of greatest growth and opportunity and where the single most
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consequential the rise of china. i remember going with secretary clinton to china in 2011 or 2012 and meeting with state counselor ho had become familiar with the term rebalance and he said i do like this term rebalance and maybe you should contemplate rebalancing out than rebalancing in, but, of course, we have a different concept with what we want to accomplish. the united states has to be a resident power in asia, we have to be present. we have to be forward deployed and engaged and i know many of you work on this set of issues. second is a rebalance of a different kind in the middle east. i want to explain what i mean. as we contend with isis, as we work to enforce the iran nuclear deal, something that i obviously care deeply about, we also have
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to take a look at the bigger context, in addition to a vicious proverted ideology that's fueling a lot of the extremists networks and movements in the region, in addition to the collapse of state structureses institutions it's fueling the instability of the region. from my perspective a rebalance is needed in order to set the table for a more effective american strategy in the middle east and it goes like this, we need to be raising the costs on iran for destabilizing behavior and we need to be raising the confidence of sunni partners that the united states is going to be there and so -- and in so doing in raising their confidence begin to try and draw down some of their more dangerous hedging behavior. so raise the costs on iran, raise the confidence of our sunni partners and set the table
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for a more effective ep -- enforcement to iran nuclear deal and this is something that has to be played out with more than simple terms like that. it's something that i would like to engage with many of you in the room as we go forward because if there's one thing we all know, is that this set of challenges from nigeria in west africa all the way across to south asia, across a broad instability, is something that's such a complicated and difficult set of questions that we need to grapple with and we certainly haven't gotten all the answers right today and it's going to take as many good minds that we can possibly must ar -- muster and thinking of rebalances.
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you see, for those of you who have spent time in government, our adversaries are getting faster, they're getting more adaptable and increasing asymmetric means many in conflict with ours, propaganda, the use of corruption as national tool to influence neighbors and destabilize them. the use of cyber tools and avoiding attributions, we just saw the the democratic national committee hacked and we can ask who the progentor was, get more effective, more adaptable and frankly faster, just faster. we have to confess that we haven't been able to fully keep
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up with the speed and the flexibility that is required to deal with these asymmetric threats. i believe that we need a rebalance of capabilities where we are really lifting up our ability to compete and win in the cyber domain, our ability to compete and win against corruption, our ability to push back against an effectively break down the vertically propaganda and horizontally propaganda from actors around the world. this is another big piece of business. this goes beyond managing mayor relationships and dealing with a specific terrorist group. this goes to understanding what the evolving threats around the world and being able to take after them in a smart, sound and ultimately sustainable way. finally, reshape, i won't spend a lot of time but i think you can go down the list of the major sets of rules governing
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behavior in our world today whether it's cyber or nuclear proliferation or climate and see that the world's bargaining tables, the world's decision-making to rums are messy, complicated and difficult but there's no substitute for the united states stepping up and saying, we are going to more effectively shape the rules and the road that govern each of these major areas of contact. and just to tell a quick story that i've told to some of you n december of 2009, i was with secretary clinton for the global climate change, conferences that ultimately lead to the paris deal in 2015 and there were 40 heads of state gathered in a very small windowless room in the second floor of a shopping center. you had prime minister sing of
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india, president of south africa, et cetera and secretary clinton was there representing president obama who was coming in the next day. they are going back and forth and doing what people do in these circumstances which is argue a lot and make very little progress and at about 3:00 o'clock in the morning it autobroke up and everybody came downstairs and the problem was there was a blizzard raging outside and so they could only bring one motorcade at one time. you had 40 world leaders and what could only be described as the world's weirdest taxicab line. 29 deep towards the back of the pack is niclas and after about 15 minutes of one motorcade after another he steps out and looks at the ceiling and shouts out in english, i want to die.
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[laughter] >> everyone just starts applauding. and the question is why am i telling this story, this is it. this is what we are dealing with. gone are the days where a small group of powers, people shake hands and you write full agreement top to bottom, you send it and everybody signs on. the routeness of negotiating tables, the difficulties of getting to -- to credible result s so immense, even the paris deal represents some strange binding and nonfinding, formal and informal, temporary and ad hoc because that's what the future governance is going to look like. why should this matter?
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but at the end of the day when you're talking about something like the wto or you're talking about rules to govern the cyber domain and there's a major cyber-attack in the united states, we need to figure out how do we attribute, how do we respond and deter, it becomes real for people real quickly. we are 16 years beyond the succession of china. we've got to do something about those things. but there's going to be a lot of weird taxicab lines with a lot of voices with a lot of competing perspectives and interests in there and it's going to take strong and principled american leadership to pull it all together and so
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reshaping the rules of the road is going to have to be fundamental and it's just not for the classrooms and scholars, something that's going to matter in the lives of everyday americans and we have got to get it right and pursuing affirmative agenda on this. so then the question comes, what do we have to watch out for, what are the big alligators that are swimming close to the boat that can throw us off of pursuing this affirmative agenda that i've just layed out? well, first there is the challenge of disruptive forces, disruptive forces including aggressive actions like russia invading ukraine, disruptive forces global financial crisis, i don't believe that's what brexit is going to produce, the
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decisions taken in capitals or in countries far away can have impact on american families' pocketbooks, by the way, many tools that we had at disposal from the last financial crisis, have been -- have already been deployed and our tool kit doesn't have that many tools in it for the next one that comes around and, of course, the major possibility of major terrorist events. now, i will just say one more word about russia in terms of the potential for disruption to this effort that i'm talking about. it's easy to dismiss russia for some of us a declining power with one-dimensional economy, shrinking population, but declining powers can be just as disruptive as rising powers and we cannot afford to underestimate what is likely to be challenged russia that's
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aggressive and insecure. secretary clinton has talked about the bizarre fascination that donald trump seems to have with strong men around the world starting with vladimir putin. i don't think he gets this. i don't think he fundamentally understands what russia represents or on the flip side of the coin what the affirmative foreign policy project of the united states is that russia could end up being a disruptor to, and i think that is one of the things that we are going to have to see play out in the foreign policy debate over the next few months. another major impediments to getting through this affirmative agenda that i've layed out, what i call the tiranny of the box, rarely meets contact with the morning headlines and whatever is happening in the world and
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that there's a little bit of a function of the 8-year-old soccer game where everybody runs to the ball of the things that's happening this week and i think a big part of what the next administration has to be thinking about is how do you set out mission-orientated teams to escape and overcome the inbox and something personally i have given a lot of thought on. we don't take our eye on the ball. and then finally, there's the third impediments which is the impediments of politics in national security. now, a year or two ago when i talked about politics and national security, i talked about the more ordinary and it's sad to say it's become
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dysfunction democrats and republicans, things like the letter that tom cotton to iran. pretty unusual stuff but turns out that was like jv compared to the kinds of things that donald trump is bringing forward with his propositions about national security. this is not a typical democrat versus republican year. this is something else entirely. this is hillary clinton, secretary of state, somebody with the strength and experience and leadership to be commander in chief against somebody swho is truly temperamentally unfit and unqualified to lead this country, someone who should not have the if i thinker on the nuclear button and i think today in scottland donald trump proved that once again in spades. every time there's a significant
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national or global event he proves once again that basic proposition that he's unfit for the job and my observation based on what he did today for those of you who haven't seen press conference, i would recommend taking a look at it is we are seeing an emerging donald trump play book in reaction to a crisis. the first step is rather than with -- rather than respond with any sense of strength or leadership, he engages in what can only be called pathological self-congratulation rather than think about he can lead or talk about what we will do, he literally pats himself on the back, we saw that in orlando, we saw that in scottland today. second, rather than consult with people that might actually know something about the particular event he consults only with himself. some of you have heard what he said about isis. that he doesn't need to consult with anyone on isis because he
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a, quote, very good brain, and that he, knows more about isis than the generals, believe me. today he got a question at the press conference had he spoken to advisers about brexit, he said no, because, quote, there wasn't anything to talk about. third, rather than get the facts, he just asserts falsehood and makes things up, factual errors. today he tweeted that scottland was going wild over the vote everyone scottland voted against leaving the european union. fourth, rather than talk or think about what's good for americans, he talks and thinks only what's good for himself and then he always says something that he shows he doesn't have a clue to be commander in chief and in this case in press conference today he said that
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running a golf course is a lot like running a country. [laughter] >> look, i suppose in retrospect all of this was utterly predictable, but i have to say it never sees to be astonishing and it shouldn't. one of the things that concerns me is that as time goes on people are going to treat this bizarre and dangerous behavior as normal or to talk about political lens. and i really urge all of you and everybody out there who cares deeply about this country to think about what it would mean to have donald trump in the oval office in the situation room making decisions about life and death. ..
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a sort of contempt for what had actually-- whitted exley takes to support our veterans and to support the things that makes america the greatest country in the world, so in particular to the members of the truman community who have relationships with or part of the broader veterans and military community, i would just ask all of you to join us in working to show the people out there who are standing on the front lines in defending our country that we are defined-- behind them and secretary clinton has spent a
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year supporting militaries families in active duty service members and we can collectively stop donald trump and have to do so because we believe-- i believe he represents a real danger. there is a bizarreness to it. there are things that actually went to chuckle, but at the end of this day this is not a laughing matter because the stakes are just so high. so, let me close by saying that it's not enough to just scoff at or reject this person. all of us can get trapped. i can get trapped into saying, it deeply views a better-- do you believe he said that. we have to do more and better than that. we need affirmative vision like the kind i laid out today and i
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have enough humidity-- humility to say that that is a start, but together we have to come up with a strategy for dancing our interest and valleys-- and above all we have to maintain a basic set of humility. if you just think about the past few years, the arab spring, the speed and porosity of isis spring. we cannot accurately predict the trends or events that will unfold or how they will unfold and we have to understand that we don't have all the answers, that we need to reach out broadly in the democratic community, that the on to independents and republicans to try to re- stitch eight by parson fabric that goes back to the first principles i talked about at the outset of my remarks. still, let's not confuse being humble with hanging back. we had to be out there. we have to be engaged.
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the world is looking to us in the one constant in all of this has to be strong and sustained american global leadership and i will leave you with this thought donald trump's slogan is making america-- make america great again, but it's apparent everyday he does not actually have the first clue about what it takes, what made america great in the first place. and there is a kind of pattern over 30 years of relentless down talking of this country, and our military disaster, saying the other day that america will not make it. he is wrong. hillary clinton believes deeply that the united states has the capacity to be the greatest force for good the world is a renowned and at our best days we are. she also believes that we have all of the tools we need to be up to do that. our military is the strongest in the history of the world. our economy is on the rebound, still the biggest most resilient and innovative in the world even
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as too many families are struggling. energy is a massive advantage with our capacity to become the clean energy superpower of the world. geography gives us to liquid assets, pacific and atlantic ocean that help insulate us to some extent from the sick-- security threats that a fix on the other states. democracy is a more-- enormous compared to other major nations in the world today our population is younger and more mobile and if we get immigration reform correct we can help ensure that for generations. we have an unrivaled capacity to build coalitions, to spread values with more allies and potential partners than anyone else out there in greater scope for diplomatic problem solving. so, confident our best days are ahead of us and i will just say that for all of you who have had the opportunity to travel with a
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cabinet member or president or vice president and see the blue and white planes land with the united states of america in blazed on the side-- i did that for four years with secretary clinton. travel to more than a hundred 15 countries around the world and i went never got tired of seeing that played because i knew what it could represent and i think that that attended the day is what election is about, but the world does not stop at november 8, the world only be-- begins on november 9 rush to take this board and i am looking forward to working with all of you over that effort over the next few months to think about what we can do together to in this election, but then going forward to win a better, smarter, sounder strategy for the united states in the years ahead that kerry's board that basic project of american foreign-policy talked about today, so thank you guys. let's all go out and do this together. let's truly deeply let's make
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the truman community proud, let's make this country proud. let's just when this thing. thank you. [applause]. [applause]. >> jake, before you escape, before we allow you to escape and return to the endless work that you have been taking on, thank you for that masterful discussion. we have a few things to offer you, the least important of which is a framed copy-- [laughter] >> the inaugural program from harry truman's inauguration, but much more importantly-- [laughter] >> that is for your office in brooklyn. much more importantly, he spoke
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of the treatment family. this is a family that has been brought together by many things, commitment to work, above all we are brought together by an unshakable faith in the potential of america to be a force for good in the world and a belief that the greatness of this country must be re- earned every day in every generation. we know that you spoke of first principles. we know the first principles that bring not only-- defined america's role in the world as we are, but defined as family are at stake this year and so we are proud, all of us, that the fight is being led by one of our own, by you, but you have our ironclad commitment that this community will fight with all of our strength and without fear for what defines us as a family. thanks. [applause].
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[applause]. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> road to the white house continues this sunday with remarks from the candidate herself, hillary clinton at the us conference of mayors live from indianapolis at 4:00 p.m. eastern time on sunday on c-span. democratic presidential candidate senator ernie sanders said he would vote for hillary
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clinton to stop republican donald trump from winning the white house. reuters writes that this was a lukewarm show of support, that his campaign said was not a formal endorsement. but, earlier this week in an interview with c-span senator sanders said he will not be the nominee. we will have that interview sunday at 6:30 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. eastern also on our companion network c-span. the state department special testified a capitol hill last night and updated the foreign relations committee on the security and economic situation in the country and the continuing struggle of the libyan government to maintain control. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]
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>> foreign relations committee will come to order. want to think our witness or testifying today five years after the us decision to intervene in libya moh i think most of us including our witness would agree was a textbook case and not-- what not to do inform policy if you look at where we are today. i am still wondering what our libya policy is. i read through the briefing, so i know senator cardin and others did the same and we spend most of our time on foreign-policy issues, obviously. i have two tell you looking at the committee memo that was put in place by crs, vic counterfeiting for sins on the ground in libya are really many and very very tough complex situation that has develop their peer i think our hearing today is an attempt to understand what is unachievable outcome in libya in line with us interests and at what cost and obviously if we
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can call people to come together through the efforts that are underway at present, we really are just get back to where we work in 2013, so there's been a lot of time and lost a lot of lives lost, a lot of backward momentum. as to for a across libya as isis continues to use the chaos outside syria it appears we are again contemplating providing arms and training to some type of libyan national security force. i hope mr. weiner can explain to us what lessons the administration has learned from the failure last time we try to develop libyan security forces and what political progress needs to occur in order for us to try again. to determine the way forward we need an accurate assessment of tripoli's ability to govern and what we are doing to help them and what can bring the rival administration on board with the
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new government. we have sanctioned libyan individuals who are hindering the formation of the government in the past, but are we prepared to do so in the future? for a country with a vast oil wealth and thankfully voidable widespread sectarian tensions libya should become a success story. i think we all are disheartened by many ways that the earlier of us policy following the fall of qaddafi has hindered libya's progress. with that, went to thank our special for being here who i know has concerns about the future of libya. we look forward to your testimony and we thank you for being here today to help us understand a way forward and with that i will turn to our distinguished ranking member. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i think this hearing is important as to how we proceed in libya and it's complicated
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and i think our witness for being here and r's-- or service to our country, but in order to counter isolate libya in the united states and others efforts at the stronghold while stepping up diplomatic efforts to achieve libyan unity. on a broad level, this is the right approach. other, i'm pleased to learn isil is now physically and run, i'm distressed that continue to make inroads by inspiring people online to commit atrocities as we have seen in our own country in orlando. but, often times in the rush to beat back the latest terrorist threats the expediency of counterterrorism actions far outpace and exceeds our political strategy. that's a matter of major concern. we want to take action, but we need to know that we can follow up that action with it a workable strategy. i fear that we-- if we're not careful we do not invoke the same amount of time and resources to cover-- good governance, democracy, promotion
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to support libya then we will simply be worsening the countries division and repeating past mistakes that we have made elsewhere. if we arm one militia to counter isil today even a militia acting under the newly nationally recognized unity government who knows who will take up arms against us tomorrow. let me be clear. administration has information about a threat against the united states, then we have to act. we have to ask to do what you say for our people of our country. i know this administration is trying its best to support the government of national soup-- three months ago before this committee i conveyed the urgency for libyan national unity enhancing dnas legitimacy is critical to bring prosperity to the people and help with the-- libya take its place along the community of nations. gna control over all of libya is critical to combating extremist
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forces, combating isil and resolving migrant crisis that has witnessed the drowning deaths of thousands. we have lost thousands of people that have been trafficked through libya. that's one of the casualties of the instability in the country. yet, while the gna is doing its best to restore order, the country's political division festers in the eastern part of the country and continue to block approval of gna. as long as libya remains a fractured, terrorist groups like isil will thrive and foreign intervention will only gray. the gna has not requested for an intervention and while we can provide training to gna units cannot fight this fight for them i think that is a important point. if and when the us decides to give military equipment and training to libyan forces that must be with the full cognizance of who we are giving support to in the potential for that support later to be turned against the us. we need to have a clear strategy
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in libya. as i said before this committee on concerned about the open ended nature of this never-ending war on terror that is pursued without congressional authorization whether it's libya, yemen, syria or iraq. it can morph into something much longer now this is based on authorization of us force predating that a people in the arab world. predating the very existence of the islamic state and even predating us invasion intron-- iraq more than 13 years ago. are libya policy mistake a balance to treat security and creating good governance. libya's core problem is that it's fractured along regional, tribal and religious lines between the old order in the new. with the international community must continue our best to try to bridge these gaps. libyans are tired of having multiple competing governments. they deserve better. i want to complement the us leadership in the security
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council working with our british colleagues in getting the security council's action to deal with strengthening us arms embargo on libya and i will be interested in hearing from our witness as to whether that will have a major impact on our policy. the us international community can and should help a country like libya but she prosperity. it is my hope we pursue a balance policy and not just expedient one. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you for those comments and mr. weiner we appreciate you being here and as the people know you are the special envoy for libya, bureau of eastern affairs and i think you can summarize your comments in about five minutes without objection. all of the written testimony will be entered to the record and thank you for being here and if you would please proceed. >> thank you, mr. chairman.
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i thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss us foreign-policy of libya. i have just returned from consultation with regional and european partners to discuss our mutual support for the transitional governing national cord where-- that includes promoting stability and addressing ongoing terrorist threat. our strategic interest in libya is to support a unified accountable government that meets the economic and security needs of the libyan people. we also seek a governance with whom we can partner on bilateral and regional objectives including countering the terrorism and illegal migration which threatened security and stability across poor that-- north africa and europe. at the center of our policy, support for the creation of the gna as a unifying bridge to help libyans move beyond the damaging period of political competition referred to by the chairman and ranking member and fragmentation until the country adopts a new
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constitution and a long-term government. to do that we engaged last year with a wide range of libyans international partners and with un special representatives and secretary-general and predecessor to support the negotiation of the libyan political agreement signed on december 17, 2015, to bring about gna. since entering tripoli's 30th, 75 days ago roughly the g&a has been able to demonstrate its commitment to inclusiveness and national reconciliation and has begun the critical work of rebuilding libyan state rather than fighting one another through the gna libyans have become hard work of addressing common challenges. our collective international support for the g&a has already had practical impact on the ground. in recent days we had seen libyan forces aligned with the
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g&a engaged in sustained fighting against daesh in the region. they have made impressive gains against a ruthless enemy. the g&a has announced plans to form a presidential guard and established a command center to combat daesh. the prime minister has stated he will seek international assistance to train and equip g&a forces for this fight, which will not be a fight that will be over in merely days or weeks. libyans will look to the united states for our help in combating daesh and we are compared to-- prepare to provide a. the us counterterrorism policy in libya is focused on degrading daesh and reducing the threat they pose to a national security enter interest in north africa and europe. in libya as elsewhere the president has made clear his willingness to take action wherever our interests are in danger. in the past year the united states has conducted direct action against several terrorist targets in libya including every
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19, strike that took out a daesh training camp. we have also been working to disrupt connections between the daesh branch in libya and the core group in iraq and syria to halt the flow of foreign fighters to shut off daesh finances and counter and defeat destructive messages. as with our other policy priorities of achieving our counterterrorism objectives depends on helping the libyans rebuild an effective state while will progress has been made in recent much-- months much work remains. and to achieve a durable and broad reconciliation. with our partners in europe and within the region we continue to urge all libyans to put aside their personal interests in the name of uniting libya under the gna so libyans throughout the country, east west and south can rebuild a nation. we further urge them to support the integrity of core economic institutions in particular the central bank of libya, whose
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unity is vital to the country's recovery and long-term stability us assistance plays an important part in events in our policy and we look to congress for continued support as the gna take shape. the administration has requested $20.5 million for assistance to libya in 2017. these funds would enable us to respond to libya's needs, help the g&a function as a national government and support increasing libya security and counterterrorism keep abilities. the administration is also planning to provide $35 million in 2016 and funds to help libya's political transition, produce a cannibal and effective national government. as part of this assistance we intend to commit up to $4 million in the support of the un led stabilization of libya. mr. chairman and members of this committee, as i described up outside today the us supports aspirations of the libyan people for united, inclusive and responsive national government
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capable of overcoming the countries significant political challenges and divisions and we remain deeply engage with libya because it's vital for our national security, for that of libya, north africa and europe. on the board to taking your questions. thank you. >> thank you. i sue me believe it's reasonable that libya can be put back together as a unified state that's a key-- secure its borders and maintain monopoly over the force. is that something you believe can occur? >> i believe it can occur there are several things in your statement that need to all be taken into consideration. a unitary state for libya is essential in any division will be disastrous for the people of libya, for the country, for the region and that crossword-- >> and based on the way things are progressing and present, how
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long did the future do you think that is? >> well, the government of national court has made no-- more progress of the last 75 days and most people expected it to make in that period of time. it's truly impressive and involves a tremendous amount of sacrifice by libyan soldiers. >> is it daesh the unifying force right now that is causing them to come together? >> samuel johnson, the british writer once said that the prospect of a hanging concentrates the mind and i think that has been an element that has helped bring libyans together, concerned about their security-- >> after isis has dealt with effectively is there any sense that because this is a unifying force, this bring people together citing historians, is there concern is that after that is dealt with that it-- civil work and then again break out the neck i think the approach of
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having transition is designed to produce mechanisms for getting services provided and political support in east, west and south. for the government to succeed it has to provide services at the local lover and-- level. with real tension into underserved areas in the past. >> and are they capable of doing that? we don't have secretary issues here, but we have divisions within the country, so is it reasonable to believe in a period of time that matters they will be able to do that? >> i don't pick its easy for them to do it. i think they are working on it. i have seen them began to work together and grow together into a working unit and i think they are committed to that. the constitution of the libyans
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still need to build out and the elections they still need to carry out for permanent government are going to have to be designed by libyans to address that court-- the core issue so they have a nation they can build for the future, but given their potential oil wealth , past and future they have the tools and theory they should be out to do it. >> this was the case of-- i know most of the committee was in a different place than i was and i did not understand what our national interests were going in the first place. i certainly do not understand going in the it taking the government and leaving as we haven't you just laid out a series of numbers which certainly to most americans was a lot of money, but on the other hand as we know as it relates to dealing with these issues, very very light amount of resources and i'm just wondering what role you see the us playing right now
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are we one of 30 countries? are we to lead to country? it does appear if you look at the resources being allocated, the major force in helping us come together that there is much effort happening on the ground. can you share with us your thoughts and our guard that assistance money we are asking for, they are comparatively small amounts by comparison to what we are doing in iraq for example when you are places. there we are part of it in on-- >> who is leading a coalition? >> the un is essentially in the lead, un mission in libya, european union is committing substantial amounts-- >> are they taking more of a leading role in libya abandoned united states? >> closer, but-- no, sir, but our requests are what they are. our core work over this past
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year has been political in the first instance to get alignment amongst all libya's neighbors, import and regional players libya's neighbors are the europeans and as to work with libyans to bring together-- get them aligned instead of fighting and that has taken an immense amount of work and play date substantial role in the creation of the government's national record. >> i think all of us on the committee have trouble through north africa and seen how they could that the fall of libya has created, the amount of arms that has traveled through those countries. that is water, if you will come under the bridge. i still am having difficulties seeing the progress. on glad we have someone like yourself they are. but, do understand that if we end up in a situation years from now where the country cannot
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maintain its borders, cannot, you know, have total control over what's happening militarily in the country that have it will continue. we thank you for your efforts and look forward to additional questions. senator gardner. >> thank you, mr. chairman. while i certainly understand the us participation with the international community in 2011, i think it was well received in congress. although, the administration chose not to submit authorization to use military force. as i said in my opening statement, i think we have to act when we have a reason to do it, but we have to think about the consequences after those actions. today, my understanding is that we have a limited number of special ops forces operating in libya and i know that great
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britain and france have also interjected with some troops. are foreign nations considering sending in ground forces into libya? >> i'm not aware of anything beyond training and equipment. >> and what is the intentions for us additional personnel being used in libya? >> i think that question needs to be addressed probably in another setting and with the process of a patient of other parts of the us government. >> could you tell us whether that administration is anticipating setting up an authorization to congress for its military campaign in libya? >> i don't know of military campaign in libya being contemplated, senator. >> well, we have are people there. i understand the difference between combat and the lines you are drawing, but-- so is it
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anticipated that he will seek congressional action as part of the strategy for united front for us participation in whatever is done in libya? >> i'm prepared to provide you any information i have in an appropriate setting at any time. >> one of the factors that you judge how well we are proceeding and i acknowledged in my opening statement the progress you have made against the terrorists and that's been some major advancements. we have yet to see the ratification of the unity government, which is a major step that is yet to be taken and we know that there are leaders in libya that are resisting that , so we are not there yet by any stretch of the imagination. you gave a pretty optimistic
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account. one of the indicators is the reopening of our embassy. is that likely to occur in the near future? >> senator, we look-- we very much want to have our embassy reopened in libya. that is a policy goal. we think it's important we are present in libya and our ability to do that depends on the security situation and as of now, we have not evaluated that it's time for us to do that. before we do that we will be back here to talk to you all about it. >> could you be more specific as to what conditions deed to be necessary to reopen our embassy? >> diplomatic security will have to feel it's the right thing to do in other parts of the administration would have to concur and then we would be down here talking to you about it. >> tell me that capacity of the libyan people taking on isil. what is that capacity with or with out a gna asked how do you
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see their ability to defend themselves against isil? >> senator, it's a. not divided government when the government we recognized whose house was based in tobruk and whose government was in the east -- extreme east of libya when we had that period and there was a competing government that no one recognized in tripoli in that spirit that time when daesh secured a presence in the far east of the country and a substantial geographic territory in the region around cert in the center oblivious coast region. says the governor of national accord was agreed on on the server 17th, and then voted on favorably for the presidency council in the political agreement although, not for the cabinet and genera 25th, we have seen different libyan forces take on daesh with some
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substantial success. daesh was first kicked out of dharna by local extremist forces some people did not like to be told what to do by foreign extremists in additional forces undertook further efforts and most recently forces east and west of cert have collaborated under that governor of national accord to impressively push daesh back. >> i went to get one more question and with the chairman's permission because i don't want to disappoint the chairman and not mention my favorite subject of good governance and corruption. one of the real challenges is the trafficking through libya which is causing people at risk from traffickers to try to get to europe. part of that is corruption within the libyan government and
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in addition you have a large percentage of the population that is in desperate need of humanitarian assistance and honesty of the government is so we gets hard to get that aid. what is the prognosis that we will have a functioning government that can stop the traffickers and can be available to deliver the humanitarian aid needed? >> ike can't offer a probability, senator. of the government is working initially to counter-- >> is that a high priority for ask lex i understand we have a lot of political problems, but are we making it a high priority to make sure we can stop the tragedies taking place with the humanitarian crisis? >> just this week the un endorsed a resolution put forth by the united kingdom to enhance maritime oversight of potential arms trafficking internationally the more vessels there are in the area of the more likely we will be able to begin-- we have
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talked to libyans about it and dealing with my great trafficking in any country has europe has demonstrated itself through any number of national borders is a very difficult business and it will take a lot of work over a lot of time. in terms of the humanitarian crisis, we've been working with the central bank of libya, with an national company, the presidency council on measures to try to reduce the risk of humanitarian crisis and get some traction as a result of the loss of confidence in the government turning the duke-- two government period and we are making some progress in that area. >> thank you. >> thank you and thank you for your service. i've two quick questions. i really want to get to the arms embargo that ranking member mention, but first i want to talk about get your opinion on this potential financial situation in libya, which i think is very critical as well.
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oil is right now almost 97% of their revenue and i know with the price of oil being down and also their annual production is about a third of their capacity if i'm the numbers right, then i look at the reserves in the reserves depending on the amount about take the have every year could be a short-lived as three to nine years work well, that's shocking. if that's 100% of their combatant-- a commie and he only had three to nine years in the best situation, what is the outcome here because your financial catastrophe city right here in the midst of this very distressed battle situation, so i'm trying to get past the cease-fire and the rest of the sensate, what do we do to rebuild that country economically so you can stop the fostering of this radical element, so would you address the financial potential collapse we're looking at. >> you're just identified one of the core issues we have been concerned about and then working on. they are at risk of eating their
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seed corn and being left with the disaster if they don't get their act together to pump the oil. we are working right now to try to get natural-- national-- >> if he turns it on delhi on the reserve problem and that shortens the number of years until they actually burn it all out? >> i think the problem is not so much pumping out and losing it, there still room for further exploration and development as it is the problem of too much money going out and nine of command. they have sent us for example there is no solution, no reforms they can take if they are not producing oil. >> their debt situation is already in the crisis level. >> very very difficult economic situation right now as a result of not pumping their oil. they have been pumping less than 400,000 a day. last week i talk with the head of the forces and said, you have got to turn the oil back on.
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now, he has now support the government of national accord and his forces have been fighting to get rid of daesh and i think that oil will be turned on. it's critical. there are forces in the west. some of their concerns have not been met. >> does isis-- i'm sorry to interrupt, but does isis through-- pose a threat to that oil production even if they could turn it up? >> to the production, yes. to exploitation, probably not. the pipelines run north-south, south north and they are not really exploitable in libya in the way they have an exploitable in iraq. daesh did attack the oil and destroyed some terminals, some areas where oil is being stored at the terminals and that's probably reduce their capacity some, but it's quite limited damage at this point. one of the things that's really impressive about the efforts against daesh in the region and
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the oil crescent regent's it's begun to push them away from their ability to threaten libya's future oil production. but, the libyans need to draw together and address one another scriptures so that everyone agrees to allow the oil to be pumped again so they have less of a mismatch between the money coming in to their treasury and the money that's going out. >> would you agree we are within a year or two in the best case scenario of really having a potential collapse of they do not do that? >> yes, sir. >> second question. relative to the un security council resolution just yesterday, i believe, what do you think the impact on that will be and will it have any impact on what's coming in to support daesh? >> it's not clear to me where daesh is getting its weapons from. i think a lot of it is from domestic stockpiles in the kind of thing. what's important about the arms embargo is limiting that the risk of different international players aligning themselves with
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different forces within the country and thus exacerbating the risk of internal conflict. we have spent tremendous amount of time in 2015 and that her seventh 2016, getting regional players align. there are three conditions for us to have success in libya briefly, one, negotiating process. we worked that out and we got the government of national accord through process. secondly, having regional players with interest and relationships in libya, agree on a common course and press forces within libya that they have been working with to participate and agree with it. we have gotten tremendous success in that act as the second picks her, there has to be benefits. at the local level at municipalities throughout the country different regions from the agreements and from the government so if they have a say in stability and we are working on that, senator. >> one last comment. i applaud that my only
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admonition would be to add a fourth and that is the post effort. what happens after the happens to the economy and the people and the economy we are talking about so we can minimalize the danger of continued radicalization there? >> ultimately, we would like to see the libyans develop a sharing mechanism where resources go to people at the local level. they have to get the basics down to public financial administration so there is greater accountability for the resources it and they're spending. that would be very good for libya. some of the money we are requesting from congress today would go to that some of the money you have provided us in the pass will go to public financial administration. >> thank you. >> thank you. senator, are you squared away? >> is that synonymous with having just sat down? >> it's synonymous with knowing your staff. >> i was not sure you had taken
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it all in. >> i think i am ready to go. >> thank you sir. thank you for your service. senator,-- senator gardiner, we were just in saudi arabia about 10 weeks ago and one of the highest-ranking ministers said to us that libya was going to make syria look like a piece of cake. which was a very startling comment. what would it take for that set of circumstances to unfold and what can we do to avoid it from ultimately transpiring? >> senator, regional competition is supported different forces, so that libyans cannot come together to fight terrorists and
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that could potentially lead to a bad scenario and that is one of the things we been working to counter the past year, you're in half. having the terrorists destroy oil of the structure and having the oil not continue to flow to be of to fund core government activities and salaries for government workers and for the people of libya would be another threat. if there is a humanitarian collapse due to the inability of the via to sustain its economy, that would be eight seconds. the third element would be not taking on daesh now and allowing them to gain a further foothold they don't produce anything, but islamic state. they are entirely predatory. and live off the land in an ugly and gruesome fashion as we all know, so they need to grab more territory at all times at order to survive, so when you push them back on their heels and a territory away it's a difficult for them to continue because they need to be zero to generate income to keep themselves going,
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so ignoring a problem would create that kind of risk your talk about. so, there is the risk of internal conflict, the risk of economic and humanitarian collapse and that risk of daesh witches ride the strategy has been to get political alignment so we can get the libyans to undertake as they want to do capturing the threat from islamic state, which they detest >> so come in your testimony he pointed out that in libya crisis lacks the ability to use oil smuggling as a major revenue generating resource as is done in iraq and syria. in march, this committee held a hearing on libya during which i expressed concern that isis appear to be expanding to the point where they could have threatened to sensitive petroleum port facilities and improved their longer capability to move against oil production facilities in the interior regions to the south, but now
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the immediate risk appears to be greatly reduced. thanks to the current offensive operations by malicious oil to the government of gna which appears close to defeating isis. i give great thread-- credited the administration and our military forces that are assisting militias loyal to the new government of national accord and our international partners for what appears to be progress against isis in libya. if it were not for their efforts, i believe, that we could've faced a real risk of isis gaining access to read food-- revenue generating resources in libya as it has in his syria. that said, no single isn't sufficient to avoid this strategic risk. while militias loyal to the government of national accord, our fighting isis insert general hector who is aligned with the house of representatives is positioning his forces to the south where they are watching
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and waiting. although, the general opposes isis they have not agreed to support the government of national accord. this appears to be of moment right before intervention and our allies, egypt and the-- if general sector goes to war with the militia loyal to the government of national accord it will only be further chaos and isis will have an opportunity to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and will resume the expansion in libya. what are we the un doing to bring them together with the government of national accord? >> 's thank you, senator. i much say that each of you worrying about the same thing
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that i worry about and with the anxiety i have heard today are consistent with what we think about every day when he comes libya. >> i guess in your answer can you specifically tell me if we are working with egypt and the uae to push general hector and the tobruk house points in agreement with the new government? are we doing that right now? >> egypt and the uae like every other country, neighboring liberty-- libya and every other country in the libby tash has signed on with discussions or multilateral on supporting the government of national recording working to get people to have enclosed to into the government of national accord. secretary kerry said in vienna last month that the united states wants to see the general be part of a solution. we see him as playing a potentially significant role, but he will not be the only one clearly playing a significant role in a has to be under that gna and with the context of the civilian led government.
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we are working on that and we are consulting with the uae and egypt on that among others and i feel we have a very great degree of alignment and a constructive fashion that could well leave-- lead to positive results as we have already seen positive results in these past weeks. >> thank you very much. senator gardner. >> thank you, mr. chairman and i don't know if the senator mentioned this or not, but a couple of months ago we had the opportunity to travel to saudi arabia and visit with deputy crown prince and others in the royal family as well as the foreign minister and other members of the government. one of the questions, believe it was the crown prince i believe was the situation libya and the situation in syria and mccain's specific way to the situation libya the question was asked how do you think it compares to syria and i believe the response was simply, siri is a piece of
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cake or will be a piece of cake compared to libya sure did this collapse occur. i believe perhaps you had already mentioned that and i don't want to mischaracterize the statement, but could you perhaps explain how that could be the case and whether or not you agree with comments that such comments like you look at the crown prince's remarks that libya-- syria is a piece of cake compared to syria can you compare that to comments made yesterday by that president that isis morel is thinking as is that consistent what is being seen? >> senator, if you look at where things were i guess she where they are 10 weeks ago roughly. >> roughly. >> the government of national accord has been in place precisely about that amount of time and since it has come into place bit by bit the libyans have configured themselves and take daesh on.
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they have secured increasing support domestically. if not complete, but i would note a majority house of representatives has been ready to support the cabinet selected by the government of national accord presidency council. they had not been permitted to go by minority and so whether we have political-- you have seen support for this government grow libyan people expect more of the presidency council and the g&a been they have gotten that a storm a natural. people all of the world want more out of the government than they tend to get and there's frustrations. with what the government can do for the government needs to do more, but progress being made is being made on the grounds are every day right now. so, i think it's-- a snapshot in libya is absolutely legitimate and there is lots of ground for pessimism, but also grants for optimism in progress. if we were today in a situation where you had still competing governments, no government of national accord, no political roadmap forward and note progress against daesh and note prospects of oil getting turned
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on in addressing the mismatch, we would be in a much worse situation, a much more threatening situation than the one we are in. could the advances of the past few months still be reversed? yes, the situation is fragile. we cannot say we are in a safe place that libya is in a safe place. libyans will have to continue to come together and work together to address grievances and differences for the common good and it's our job to try to encourage them to do it, to encourage other countries to help them do that and to be part of an alignment and unity building process. that's hard to do in any country it's very hard in libya, but it's not futile. is beginning to happen and we see this positive result as a consequence the lack i apologize if i'm asking you questions that have been covered, but the administration's request for libya was down from $35 million in 2016 to make $20 million in 2017 and that's in state department administered funds. wise that the case?
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>> the capacity of living government in the past has been very limited. are focuses on delivering services to communities, helping the government through the transition, public financial administration, which is the kind of thing we are doing, working with the constitutional drafting a summary to get the constitution process completed, we are trying to act as a-- to synergize other activities working with the un, the eu in a number of other countries rather than to do it all of ourselves. these modest amounts are there to help fill the territory where there are gaps and to provide some impulses to help them go forward, but the core of the work right now has been political first. political security and then its development and all of those things will have to go together. if libya gets its act together successfully, the libyans continue to come together they
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will be able to finance these activities, but they have to be pumping their oil again close to the 1.5 million they used to pump, at least a million barrels a day. then, they can begin to work through a-- creating a national budget and starting to invest in their own if the structure, so we are trying to jumpstart this, but the vast preponderance of funding is likely to come from libya as it should. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you. senator. >> well, i'm encouraged some of your comments and obviously this is not an easy situation particularly the three goals that you mentioned including that the people see benefit. i think that is a critically important part for stability in libya. and you have mentioned the oil flow was part of that and you mentioned security is part of that.
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if the oil flow goes to help the people of libya, then they see the benefit of it. if it goes to fuel corruption, they don't. if security is there to help the welfare of the general population, they see the benefit their to preserve a corrupt regime they don't see a benefit, so i just really want 20-- understand and stress my request and i know the menstruation is committed to democratic institutions in the countries we work and and fighting corruption and dealing with those issues, but to me unless that is in the providers from the beginning it gets lost as the process. so, i just really want 20-- stress what i hope is your commitment that it will be clear that as you go through the process of reconciliation and
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developing a unity government that there is accountability and therefore the governance so that the people of libya can see the benefits of what is going on, that there can be the type of support for unity government to succeed and we really can have a long-term stability in that very important country in the region. >> senator, the young people of libya are the country's future and at some level that is a cliché, but at some levels is profoundly true about these countries in north africa, the middle east that have such a preponderance of younger people to the degree to which they are interested in political dialogue, reconciliation and finding a way forward is very impressive. the interim government, the government of national accord has to be successful to get the new libya a chance to be born and to build and everything that we do in libya needs to be
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consistent with the values you have just expressed in the valleys of the american people at its foundation. that is very similar to the values of most libyans that i have been exposed to pick they see things similar to what you just said to me. >> thank you. think you mr. chairman. >> senator menendez. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr.winer, thank you for your work in this regard. i think it's particularly important hearing because we should be riveted on what if anything the united states can do beyond what it's doing to assist the libyan people in building a country that a mad dictator had systematically dismantled over the course of four decades and ultimately have to bring libya to the community of nations with accountable institutions of governments, respect for human rights and a productive economy that contributes, not detracts from
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global markets, but this complicated reality on the ground is one that has been centuries in the making. it is a transactional society. has hundreds of malicious competing for tribal affiliation, come pettit of regional loyalties that on any single they can include homegrown and foreign-born radical islamists seeking to spread jihad, neighbors simply seeking to defend homes of families, gangs stealing oil and wealth and engaging in violence, tribes and states of cold and hard words against one another for generations, regional actors in three distinct libyan regions exporting or protecting natural resources by-- like oil and water just to mention some, so what i'm trying to get an insight is what could an intervening party like a international community have posed on these competing and conflicting groups to bring them
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to a resolution? we had a democratic process by all caps producing relatively free and fair national elections in 2012, peacefully transition power from one elected body to unelected body, seated a national parliament that established legitimate government, so what is it that can be done by the international community here to impose upon these parties that ability to achieve the goal that we all collectively want? >> thank you, senator. all the problems you just articulated our real. they should not be glossed over and they should not be treated lightly. the challenges that any libyan government faces are substantial. but, it also has a group of people who are a traffic, have some education, have some vision of what their country could be and are distributed in many different parts of the country.
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national dialogue and reconciliation, political mechanisms, political activities are central to the future of the country and having the country emerge from this period a project-- fragmentation that it has just gone through. our work is to align countries in the region, all their neighbors and regional players as well as europeans and as in support of a common approach to strengthen national institutions so they can combat at least some of those threats that you have just articulated. long enough for libya to evolve to its next phase, supported by the considerable natural wealth that could continue to generate from oil at 1.5 million barrels a day as current capacity which could go up to two i am told by oil experts. ..


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