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falling into the wrong hands, if you know what i mean. it's becoming darker and darker. i don't want that. i do not want that dark evil presence to take over our world. i want to fight to make that happen. i'm willing to give my life, that's what i want to do. thank you. >> i'm from outside georgia and i'm at an all girls school. [inaudible] i talk about things and i get shut down a lot. it gets to the point where i don't want to talk about what i believe in.
>> do not get to that point. do not let them do that to you. do not let anyone scare you into submission. no. if anything, let it feed your fire. make it study harder and find out more things. i want you to look at it video at cambridge university in 1964. it's an amazing debate and everyone of you should watch it. it's amazing. yes, stand up, do not give in. god is with you. >> i think a lot of us have the same problem and that's not knowing what the next step for us in life. what programs or platforms you
recommend so we don't feel. [inaudible] other platforms and programs we can join in with to help us be heard. >> especially now with the election going on, the thing i really want to do is try to educate people who are disenfranchised, who don't get to have the education that we might get to have now, go and talk to people and places you may not want to go and share what you know, what's good. we have to break that narrative that the democrats have been feeding to the country, that plantation that they been feeding to everyone, that this is as far as you get to go and you can't do everything, you can't achieve everything you want. there's there's not enough to go around because then you know what they're doing, they're putting a limit on our god.
and does god have limits? no, he does not and neither do you. >> i go to the university of south carolina. i was just wondering your opinion as a conservative woman with our presumptive nominee being donald trump and he's been in the media lot for saying some inappropriate things about women and sexist comments and racist comments, how do you feel as a woman. do you feel those are accurate? >> i don't feel like they are accurate at all. they can never tell me anything specific other than, i remember the thing with megyn kelly but it seemed like it was some little argument that they had some rift between them. that's what it seemed like to me. what i would say is look at his
children, look at his daughter, his, his wife, his wives, look at them they seem very happy and respected and loved and that's what i look at. that tells me a lot about a man, what his family looks like. >> my name is anna and i go to liberty university. i was just wondering, you seem very strong in your christian faith but coming into the political world and just coming out of liberty and coming into society, how do you share your faith without making it feel like you're stepping it down people's faith? >> i just give my own personal way.
i say it from my heart and what god has done for me. i never say you have to do this. i make suggestions like i just did, i suggest you try this and if you don't want to then you don't want to. that's your choice but i'm gonna be on the jesus train, as my uncle said what is your issue that you care the most about? the policy issue? please tell us about making that movie. >> my policy issue i care most about is defeating isis. i care the most about defeating isis because until we do that i won't feel like we've achieved the greatness of the country that we can and we have to prove to the world that we care about everybody, were not be selfish americans who set on our high horses and things were better than everybody else.
that's not who we are. we love people and we care about people and we are the strongest country in the world. it's our responsibility to take care of those who can't take care of themselves. that's my biggest issue. the movie. that was just a joy. every single day was fantastic. as much fun as you see is as much fun as we had every day on the set. we joked, we laughed, we never had an argument or fight and on a film, that's very rare. but we all jelled and we all be like a heart. it was like a heartbeat. that was amazing. in the casting process we had to review each other before she chose us. she made us read with each person to see how your chemistry was with that person. we just all had this amazing chemistry and i believe it was a movie that was blast. i'm so proud to have been a part of it.
it was so much fun. i miss brittany. that was the sad thing. that's the thing about hollywood if any of you want to be actresses, i don't know, how many of you want to be an actress. okay. that's fantastic. it's not as great as it seems. my acting coach told me it has to be your only option it has to be the only thing you could ever see yourself doing in order for you to withstand what you go through before you make it. there's a lot of rejection. [applause]
>> when i tune into it on the weekends, usually it is authors sharing about their new releases , watching the nonfiction authors on book tv is the best television for serious readers. on c-span they can have a longer conversation and delve into their subject. the tv weekends. they bring you author after author after author and it's the work of fascinating people. >> i love book tv and i'm a c-span fan. >> marsha clark, who is samantha brink? she is a criminal defense lawyer, she left the defender's office a couple years back and now she is in private private practice and struggling to make a name for herself and bring her practice up to the major league. she's had a somatic childhood and she herself was probably at
birth anyway and the culmination has made her someone who is unlit usual. they say the law as a suggestion that she is free to ignore and usually does. >> is there a certain breed for defense attorney? >> that's a good question. i'm not sure. i mean defense lawyers have a very different sort of mandate that a prosecutor does. the prosecutor have to think about a fair trial for everyone as an ethical obligation to make sure it's not just about getting conviction that getting convicted in a fair way so that everyone is right. the defense attorney only has to take care of his or her clients. so that's what she does. she only worries about her clients. she doesn't worry about if it's fair, she worries about winning and that's the only thing she worries about. do the clients have to be innocent to defend? >> as a defense attorney worried about only defending the innocent, that attorney would
really have no clients. your clients are 99% of the time at least going to be guilty. >> is a former prosecutor, if the system waited in your view toward the defense? we make it that way because when someone is presumed innocent until proven beyond doubt. it's a very heavy burden for the defense. we start out over here and the prosecution has to work from that presumption and turn the table, turn it, turn it, turn it to beyond a reasonable doubt. it's not an easy thing to do. >> what is the plot to the book? the plot of blood defense is a celebrity case in which an lapd veteran detective is charged with the murder of a young
actress who had been on the skids and she fell into drugs, spiraled down and then climbed her way back up and found her way into a favorite television show. she was just about on the brink of restart him and making it as a comeback kid when she and her roommate are brutally murdered. the detective is charged with their murders because he was dating the actress and so becomes a very celebrated case and samantha doesn't really want to take the place. so her paralegal who is also her childhood friend says you haven't paid me into montgomery we need the money, you go get this case and she does. are these characters based on your career at all? >> in a way. i think someone said that an author puts himself into every character and i think it's really true. whether i want to or not, i am in every character, certainly
i'm in samantha and i think all of my life experiences find their way into the stories and the characters and in the clients that samantha represents. i used to be a defense attorney before i became a prosecutor. all of those experiences and my expenses as a prosecutor all come to bear in stories. >> why did you switch from defense to prosecution? >> it was really okay with me when i was defending drug cases and prostitutes and all that but then i started handling more more violent crimes and i ended up working on a case involving a double homicide and attempted murder in which the defendant client dragged the woman into a car and stabbed her 17 times and threw her in the alley to die. when i got to that, it was like i don't think i want to do this. i think i want to stand up for
the victims so i left the fence and went into prosecution. >> how long were you in prosecution. >> 14 years. >> how many ways did the o.j. simpson case change a life? >> so many ways that i don't even have the ability to describe it. it certainly did make me look at my life and decide to take another turn, whether i would've left the prosecutor's office had it not been for the symptom simpson case, i couldn't tell you. i don't know. maybe i would've anyway but i certainly did after that case. i found a whole different life. >> this is your fifth book? >> yes what get you started on writing fiction? >> so i actually did a number of things, i was a commentator and i did hosting and all kinds of speaking and lecture series and
i did a lot of things. then i wound up on consultants on a one-hour drama for lifetime then i started writing script and then the creator of that show and i went out and started writing pilot then we sold pilots to a few networks and then i decided, i've always wanted to write since i was a kid. if not now, when and so that's what happened. i started writing fiction. >> i have one nonfiction book about a trial. it's now out in e-book and it's now been republished and printed again. that's the only nonfiction book that i've written. i really have stepped away from reality and starting to, do you find yourself getting defined by that one trial? >> i don't define myself by that
one trial. >> to other people to find new. >> other people choose to or not to. since i've been writing fiction, less and less so. people less and less defined me that way and some even, the younger ones don't know. sure a lot of people do, especially after the miniseries, that reinvigorated the interest in the case so yes a lot of people do associate weight that but mormor they're coming to associate me also with being an author in writing fiction which is really great. >> did you work on the affects series at all? they didn't consult any of us at all. none of us. i had nothing to do with it at all. >> what did you think about it? >> i thought it was great. the firm performances were phenomenal. they were just incredible. true to life?
>> i can't speak for all of them because i didn't know all of them that well, but from what i did know, yes, true to life and well done. she did such a great job, she had managed to show you how i was feeling on the inside which, i just just don't know how she knew that, but she did and it was really incredible what she did. >> how has your writing changed since your first book? >> i always hope it gets better so when people say what books i read read i always say the most recent one because i hope every book and getting better and improving. the first four novels that i wrote were based on a prosecutor
>> so when you write about a prosecutor there certain ethical boundaries you can't cross otherwise people are going to like them very much and it's not very realistic. prosecutors do have the ethical obligation to provide a fair trial. i wanted to write a doctor more complex and more wild character and that's why i turned to samantha brinkman in blood defense. >> there's been a lot of talk about incarceration. what's your take. >> i need a little more specific >> are we over in purse reading? are we over america or not? are we doing the right thing? are we too zealous in our prosecution? >> there's no such thing to me as being overzealous in
prosecution if somebody's guilty but the question is does everyone deserve to be incarcerated that is prosecuted. in my opinion, no no. for example drug cases are the best example. so many of the people that i defended and prosecuted i believe deserved rehab. they needed to be helped. they do not need to be incarcerated. we are wasting space in taxpayer dollars and wasting life. these people can be rehabilitated. they can go out and actually become good citizens that contribute to society. instead we are wasting their life in prison. they don't belong there. i think in california were actually walking back on a number of our sentencing that we had, were walking back on the incarceration rates and making the misdemeanors and finding more ways instead of
incarcerating them and i think that's the right step to be taking. >> there's a new book coming out this year and it's about prosecutors and the increase of the number of prosecutors and the fact that they were given the laws and they went after a lot of criminals. >> i don't know. across the country, in california it doesn't seem so, in fact the prosecutor seem to have pretty big caseloads which means maybe there are too many. they are reducing the caseload exponentially by reducing the crimes that were considered felonies that required state prison sentences. they've also reduced drug charges for a lot of different kinds of crimes and criminals
that have been reclassified as victims. trafficking are now being handled as the victims that they really are and they're being diverted which means when they get arrested for prostitution was staffed and we find out that they been trafficked, they wind up with no conviction whatsoever and they just get put into programs where they can stand on their own 2 feet so they don't get stigmatized by conviction. we are finding ways to not over prosecute. if someone picked up blood defense are they gonna learn how the system works? >> they will. i always try and my novels to show you how it really works. the story is fictional although there are pieces of it based on my life and experiences. the way in which samantha
brinkman goes about investigating her case and her clients, the the way she uses media and twitter and all the rest of our current society, legally as well as socially i tried to make it as realistic as possible. >> social media in 1994. what would that trial have been like. >> can you imagine? i can't even think about it. it scares me. imagine if that kind of high profile case happened today with twitter and snapchat and instagram. it would be mind-boggling. you never hear the end of it. even as it was during that trial , back then it was new and there is this office machine because nobody had personal facts and they were blowing up the fax machine. we were getting thousands of faxes a day from people commenting on the case. it was crazy. i can't imagine social media. but what i can imagine is with
our cell phone technology, at the the very least thinking about scientific advances that we've made, just cell phone technology alone would make a big difference because we could tell, based on what people are doing with their cell phones where they are. imagine if we could tell you who all of those players were, all day, all night talking about where would be o.j. simpson. where was nicole, where was ron? we would be able to track everybody. >> it would be a very different case that way. >> is that a little big brother. >> sure does. this is the give-and-take we have. it makes our lives so much easier and faster that's also the technology that opens doors into our lives. >> as someone who lived it, do you think cameras in the courtroom are a good idea? >> i've had a lot of back-and-forth with that in my mind. i'm just not, i've always been very ambivalent about it.
when i finished the trial, i thought there terrible we shouldn't have them we should check them out. fred goldman never agreed with me and he said no one would know the travesty if they hadn't seen it, if the cameras have been in the courtroom and he's right. he really brought me around to his way of thinking. having said that, i think there needs to be limits. i think the cameras shouldn't be in in the courtroom if the jury isn't there. they shouldn't hear about evidence that the jury to hear. you have to be very careful about how much you televise. >> you referenced you always wanted to be a writer. where did you grow up? >> grew up all over the country. we moved to washington and back to texas and then back to california, southern california
and northern california and detroit and marilyn and then we came back so a lot of moving. >> what kind of work did your parents do. >> my father was employed by the federal governments we announced around a lot. >> when did you decide you wanted to be a lawyer. >> i didn't decided wanted to be a lawyer until i graduated from college at ucla with a degree in political science with a minor in international relations. i was focusing on the middle east. i wanted to work in the state department in the foreign office, in the field and especially back then, they weren't so crazy about having girls in the foreign office. i applied and at the time i spoke french, hebrew, english,
spanish and i thought this could be good, right and they asked me if i could type. >> what was your response. >> i said no thank you. i was in baghdad typing. [laughter] >> so you went to law school. >> i went to law school. >> prior to the o.j. simpson case, what kind of cases did you work on? what was your reputation. >> prior to that case, i had been in the office, i started in 198181 after having been a defense attorney for a few years then in 1980, in 198585 i wound up in the special trial unit which was the elite unit for high profile cases. all they handled were the big cases and they tended to be murder cases and capital cases.
they were calm on complex high high profile cases. i was the only female when they brought me in that i had been in that unit for close to ten years at the a profound and i have been handling what we call high-profile cases for quite some time. named one of the cases he worked on. >> i handled the case regarding the starter who murdered an actress, one of the early notorious stocking cases back before we really knew what it meant, what stocking was all about. >> are you still lawyering in any way? >> yes, what i'm doing now is i have court appointed appeals, criminal appeals. in california when you're convicted of a felony you are entitled to one direct appeal to
the court of appeals and if you can afford a lawyer there .1 for you. most of the people who get convicted of felonies, they're, there tapped out. if they ever had money based spent it all on their trial lawyer. by the time they're in the prison they need to file appeal they have no more money. so the court appoints people and me. they will call and say we have an appointment for you do want to take it or not take it. it's all in writing so it's alright work. what's cool is i get to see cases from the entire state of california and i get to see how things are being tried today and what level of evidence and science are they using, one of the jury's like, one of the vertex like. it's a great way to keep my hand in and do something good for society. >> is there a secret to writing a murder mystery.
>> no i don't think there's a secret, it's always a matter of inspiration. what's intriguing to you? what are you thinking about? what's happening in the world that intrigues you and writing about that. you have to find that because you live with the book for quite some time. if you're not intrigued by it it will not work because of your board the reader will be board. i've always been addicted to crime since i was four or five years old. i mean as a kid that's kind of young and crazy but i love it. i really love it. i'm seeing things and thinking about things that intrigued me. why did she do this and why did he do that. not necessarily always crime but it was wrapped into a crime somehow. i think that's really the secret, writing about what has intrigued you most recently. >> have you ever considered leaving l.a.? >> i thought about leaving l.a. and living somewhere else but i know it so well and the weather speaks to me and my kids are in
the bay area so i wouldn't want to go very far. i think i'm probably going to stay there. >> author marsha clark. her most recent book is a blood defense. this is booked to be on c-span2. >> presidential candidate hillary clinton and donald trump have written several books, many of which outline their worldview and political philosophy. democratic candidate hillary clinton has written five books in her most recent title hard choices she remembers her 2008 presidential campaign and her time as secretary of state in the obama administration. in 2014 book tv spoke with secretary clinton about the book and you can find the interview on our website. published in 2003, living history is secretary clinton's account of her time as first lady. while still in the white house, she wrote about her family pets
and life as first lady. in her first book it takes a village she argued society shares responsibility with parents on raising children. : mac he writes about politics and outlines his vision for american prosperity. book tv has covered many of these books including a discussion of donald trump's, the art the art of the deal which you can watch on our website, booktv.org.