tv G.G. v. Gloucester County Virginia School Board Oral Argument CSPAN August 10, 2016 7:16pm-8:01pm EDT
i remind people that the majority of our children today, 50,000,000, will receive an education in a traditional public school. we have to make sure those schools work. at the same work. at the same time we have to have options in place. i interviewed for the job. he offered and i accepted. >> c-span: how long did you stay? >> guest: i was there for the 2010 - 2011 session and then moved to florida. >> c-span: was expected of you a mistake? >> guest: one was to implement the governor's education agenda agenda which was brought. at the higher education level we signed into law top jobs for the 21st century legislation. we had a commission for higher education. over 25 people on the commission. the goal was to say that if we are going going to invest in additional $100 million into higher education in the commonwealth. we have to change the way we deliver education and expect more for the dollars that we are getting. we have people in in the public schools, private schools, one of our colleges, community community colleges and are for-profit colleges who all contributed and played a role in that legislation.
that was higher education. at the k-12 level we strengthen our charter school law. the expanded opportunities for virtual learning in the commonwealth. one that. one that is often overlooked is a college laboratory school. it was a bill that allowed schools of education, maybe schools of engineering to partner with the local school system and actually introduce the case of university of virginia, their party with a school in charlottesville and actually introduced stem courses to middle school students. a middle school that for a number of years had a declining enrollment. today you see in declining enrollment and more middle-class families bring their kids into the school. the big push is that if you want to have a strong nation, stem matters a lot. we cannot wait until high school to do that. we have to get those ideas of what
stem thinking is like in middle school and that is something that legislation was able to do. >> c-span: stem, science, technology, education and math, who invented that? >> c-span: i cannot tell you who invented that but education is a silver to this generation. you will hear congressmen and mayors say that steam is equally important and to the civil rights era. i also say that steam is important and the arts and call it steam. it's tough to do a lot of that work without artistic and creativity approach. >> c-span: back in 2014, george w. bush had this to say. >> education america's no log are legally separate but it is still not effectively equal. quality education for everyone of every background remains one of the urgent civil rights issue of our time. again, most urgency rights issue of our time.
>> guest: when he signed no child left behind one of the things he referred to as self bigotry of lower expectations. when he speaks of civil rights he is speaking in that vein. again, education is the importance of our rights. it has a history of following that but when he made that big push for no child left behind, think he had at least opened up the door for the republicans in particular to see how we can actually use education, use data, and, and use outcomes to make schools better. again, you'll hear me say that the words are important because i believe they are. are. but that was another example of the right to using civil rights in the way that the left is using civil rights and yet in 2016 we have a a number of challenges that summary policies alone won't solve. >> c-span: you mention no child left behind. what did he do? spee2 it did a few things. number one, it told the united states that if we are going to have a competitive nation have a competitive nation we need to make sure that students are strong in english, language arts, arts, and mathematics.
they would test students to make sure they knew those subjects well and hold teachers accountable. for the first time in a long time we will disaggregate data to show exactly how students are doing. we call them subgroups for there's african-american, asian, hispanic, or why. for decades school systems were able to hide how poorly our students were doing through a door number of algorithms. with no child left behind we had to display for the nation to look at both good, back, and ugly. >> c-span: you made a speech in 2004, here you are on video, see how much of this you still agree with. >> why do i look at school choice and vouchers? in 1992 as a schoolteacher in los angeles and one of my
favorite students walked up to me and said i'm going to have to leave here because my parents could no longer afford to pay tuition. as life would have it a gentleman walked into the school with a petition and were talking to the principal and set me to the office and he said we have something here called a petition. what we like to do is get enough signatures on a ballot so that we can but the initiative before they california voters so that we can get public money to children who can go to private schools. using the example i have said this is an option for some students, not all. it is an opportunity that some students could take advantage of if they had it. >> c-span: wears california watchers? >> guest: 1993i was able to get parents to find a petition. ballot was brought forth and it was defeated in 1993. in 2000 similar in 2000 similar vote took place. around the same, 78/30 and we saw the same thing in michigan. now that it's from the california perspective. charter
schools have grown but if you look at the voucher movement is starting to slowly but surely take place. if you look at vouchers as traditional vouchers as well as especially scholarships. we have over 20 states were great things. >> c-span: what you think it was a 70/30 vote? >> guest: number one it was marketed as an anti- public school initiative. immediately people do not want to hear that. number two, it was going to quote unquote take money within public public education. that was in 1993. people are still remembering many of those what happened with proposition 13. here is another example of us taking money away and remember, california was also part of a very public battle of the school finance for school funding. so between an anti- public school and taking public money way from education campaign, it wasn't hard to see why we lost. >> c-span: here is hillary clinton in the year 2015. >> the truth is, the quality, opportunity, civil rights in
america are still far from where they need to be. our schools are still big segregated. in fact, more, more segregated than they were the 1960s. >> c-span: is that true? spee2 no. it also defines on how you define segregation. for me i don't believe we have segregated schools. what i believe are racially identifiable schools. to believe that in 2016 that we 16 that we have the same type of jim crow segregation in washington d.c. that we did in 1954 when it was part of the five city or the five area brown case, that is a shame. it would say that 62 years later we made no progress. the government accountability office on may 17, 62nd anniversary of brown produced a report and they have shown that the number of students, the number of schools were 75-100% of this students are the black
or hispanic and qualify for free and reduced lunches have grown. there are schools that we should work with, absolutely. at absolutely. at the same time you have economists like bentz cafferty and others who and in his report for the friedman foundation identified that in the 1980s moving towards 2000, racial integration in neighborhoods have gotten much better. would we see that was school that is driven by a number of factors. i would say that we segregated schools. i think we have schools with a number of challenges. but to believe we have jim crow today's ludicrous. >> c-span: were so worried about segregation in schools, why do we have over 100 historically black colleges? >> guest: that's to assume that historically black colleges are segregated. take a look at my alma mater, howard university where my oldest daughter graduated a few
months ago. the first five graduates of howard university were white women. if you take a number of a black colleges there are three things were able to do. we graduated white on before public institutions allowed us inches number two, we, we graduated a number of african-americans who have been able to integrate the professions other than teaching in nursing which included many black women for a number of years. third we have helped create the black middle class. those are not segregated institutions by whether military institutions are segregated because they work with those to go into the military. >> c-span: when you went to howard, did it into your mind that you're going to go where most of the students were black and was that your choice for that reason? >> guest: absolutely. the friend of mine, another guy named gerard who grew up in los angeles was a howard student at the time. he invited me to visit the campus for a week. coming from los angeles it was great to see a number of black
students from different parts of the country in the world. they were serious about books. number two, it two, it was a good chance to have a real conversation about education, not just race alone. third, howard then howard then and now still has a very strong track record producing leadership for america in the global community. for me i was not investing in the segregated education. i was investing in education that would help me integrate the world with ideas they probably would not hear otherwise. >> c-span: hears condoleezza rice with a short 22nd comment. >> we need to give parents greater choice. particularly for parents whose kids, very often minorities, are trapped in failing neighborhood schools. this is the civil rights issue of our day. >> c-span: again, civil rights issue of our day. why are inner-city schools feeling? >> guest: doctor rice comes from a family where her mother was an
educator. she knows firsthand the challenges of attending segregated schools and today she is provost and one of the finest universities in the country. from from humble beginnings to stanford. there are a few reasons why inner-city schools have a number of challenges. number one, we often have under resource schools. so funding is a challenge even though federal, state, local money in some areas you have more than you have with suburban schools. number two, we often number two, we often do not have the best qualified teachers. the number of teachers we have teachout of subject. third, we need to make sure that we have more parental engagement. it is one thing to say that we want to provide parental choice in rights. at the same time we also have to demand more responsibility for parents as well. there are many challenges. when we discuss this we often overlook the role of families.
family still play a tremendous role in setting expectations for kids in ways that can overcome both poverty and challenges that i mentioned. >> c-span: as you know we live in the district area, the district students spend a lot of money on them. a lot of federal money and it still doesn't work. why? >> guest: the late 1990s i had a chance to work for d.c. public schools when arlene ackerman was in the schools. that was before we move forward with vouchers on charter schools. d.c. had a few challenges. number one, there was a heavy hand of congress deciding how d.c. should govern it schools even if d.c. local government wants to do something radically different. so there is a federal local debate that goes back for over a century. number two, while there were high concentrations of poverty you still have pockets of success. whether it was a high school which then and now still producing students.
third, there is simply challenges of making sure that resources went to the right place. so it wasn't because d.c. lacked money. over 20,000 dollars thousand dollars per student, a lot of school systems rule that we stay had that money. but but it's moving in the right direction. the graduation rate while still a national shame is higher in 2016 that was five years earlier. >> c-span: if you look at this area there is not a great difference between what teachers are paid in this area and there is a difference on how much is that per student. in your experience, how much does the money part of it matter? in order to get a good education. >> guest: i believe money matters and where you invest money and how you invest it matters more. this has been a debate about does money matter going back to the 60s, with the report in
1966. there's six. there's two things. on one side of the fence you have doctor peterson at harvard who would say that money matters but if you look at the investments that we have made from the 70s forward, while the increase in federal, state, state, local money spent on education, if you look at our national report card you are seeing a flat test scores and elementary and secondary education. on the other side of the fancy of others whether it is johnson at northwestern who said while that may be true, if you actually take a look at states that have increased their spending by at least 10% over a 12 year period for students in different states you have actually seen a higher graduation rate. a higher probability that students will earn more in the workforce and the likelihood that you will see better results
in health. >> c-span: if you are asked for advice on affirmative-action what would you say? spee2 by affirmative action if it means that you want to remove the barrier so that first-generation student regardless of race are able to get into school, there are few things i would recommend. number one, allow students to matriculate if they have the requisite scores and coursework to do well. we know that while the sat score will only predict how well you will do your first year in school it will not determine whether you will graduate with a gpa. there is a body of literature that's clear that there certain courses you should take, math, science, english that should be in place if you expect to be successful in college. to accept students who haven't filled that curriculum obligation and to let them into a school is doing a great disservice to them and it is
selling the effort of affirmative action is something i support. >> c-span: is three daughters, what have you learned from these three daughters about education? >> guest: i was fortunate to be a stay-at-home dad for my daughters. one thing i learned is that technology is played in expanding what students are exposed to. with the older daughter cell phone as we know today in the computer still in the infancy stage, if you take a look at the middle daughter was eight years old now, she was able to manipulate my iphone and ipad in ways that some 30 -year-olds cannot. simply by watching what i was doing and meet showing her how to use it. something technology has changed, i'm definitely excited for that. the 5-year-old we put her in a
coating camp at age four because we believe that coding is important. for the same reason that stem matters or steam, having a four-year-old encoding 4-year-old encoding class is starting to train her brain on how to think like an engineer, how to look at mathematical computation in different ways while being creative in the process. so so we're going to have girls who believe that steam matters. >> c-span: when you are at the education secretary of virginia, you are hired away to florida and he spent 15 months in florida, was the title of your job? >> guest: is pretty much implementing the role of governor rick stuff scott as
well as the state board of education. >> c-span: what did you learn in florida? spee2 florida is a much larger state, more parvati. over 54% of the students of florida both qualify for free and reduced lunch in over 50% also and yep while technically a poor state, their test score -- in some way they outperform white middle-class students in different parts of the country. . .
>> >> we do have a national exam but it's coming from florida or virginia to the kids in california. >> i able read an article after you resigned and it is a lot of numbers but i want to break it down. province since tenure as commissioner was marred by controversy over florida's tests based school accountability system and failing scores of the assessment tests.
in a school officials had to pass emergency rule to lower the passing score for the states written exam after realizing 73% of fourth graders and they failed the test change of the passing grade hana scale of six allowed 8% to pass with the 2011 results at and expect anybody to remember that. [laughter] but it is the business of no child left behind to change the numbers so we can somehow qualify. >> when jeb bush was governor of florida he decided to make education one of the top priorities a whole pool was to test students to assess where they are in invest in places we need particularly where you were reading so fast
forward to this story we identified florida's first assessment is called that a number of students failed and i had to say wait it isn't that they suddenly became ill literate and could write within 30 days something happened so what we identified is we raised standards on the assessment model and we communicated this to the school system but in the communication process we dropped the ball and as a result the test was created one way but they were tested another and it was a major challenge. we had a phone call with the board to say over 700 people on a phone call talking to your boss you know, what will be interesting so we had to bring in the outside person to do the internal assessment and we identified
and i as commissioner was not involved in malfeasance we identified there was miscommunication from the states to the local system and we identified the testing company as well as the group that did the assessments did nothing wrong and be calculated the new escort and introduce the test was given again and the students did well. >> i will show u.s. speech from june of 1952, 64 years ago right in the middle of a presidential campaign eventually was a candidate the became president on what he said that the nation was facing 64 years ago. >> it is the gradual absorption of the central government of functions that belonged to those
communities and individuals. those that spring at a process are manned by experts of expansion. [applause] in terms of the national welfare. so we will do no better than americans. >> it is about self perpetuation and bureaucracy? >> there is the need because it has to be in place to help administer policies that the state and local level. another bureaucracy that there has been a love-hate relationship as going back to the teen hundreds to
create a new nation there is a need for that particular the department of education people hate the department of education they dulce that it is useful and i can tell you they do to great things never won they serve as a central agency to articulate the policies and goals of the administrative class down to the lower level and number two it serves as a conduit between the superintendents of the school board and the state. the superintendents and school board have a tough enough job to deal with the testing mandates for student achievement at the same time we could streamline the process. c-span: talking about school boards president carter signed legislation proposed
to create the department of education it became the department in the year 1980 at the beginning it had a $12 billion budget now it is a $70 billion budget what to regain? >> the department of education is a great case history of what we can expect from bureaucracy even though the department of education gained executive level status in 1980 as we know it has origen's going back march of 1867 shortly after the civil war the pledge was to have the department of education collect information of the state's and the second to implement policies and ideas and the funds were they could end at one point was the department of the
interior and it was the department of housing of education and welfare and then as we see here in the '80s. so what had multiple wives even those today we stay with daschle say there is no federal rules. c-span: they intended to have more people republicans of almost and totally opposed. why? c-span: the republican party sees the department of education not only as a tool to implement policy of the federal level they think it should be left to the states they also see it as meddling in local issues. >> has the union to the two
biggest she is in the people but it is interesting there before the creation of the department of education of those nonprofits that still hold on to the original mission and one of the failings -- things was to endorse a president for the white house they say we will endorse you if we can find it moved to executive space level position and also published a report to show why that made sense for some major is a very brief than second comment.
>> it is a right. >> with the importance of civil-rights as a member to having his head this is from john boehner agrees to be speaker of the house. >> to empower parents and children to have a better shot education. >> so where did the republicans and democrats to for the most? >> so he supported the d.c. opportunity scholarship program undergoes would be
fully funded. so on the school choice side of the fence many democrats support charter schools but where you find demarcation is republicans supporting vouchers also specially scholarships but democrats have done that if you look at the louisiana a voucher program statewide when they began in new orleans and was to the democrats in the state senator who said this matters for the whole town would get milwaukee with some democrats a campaign finance person for jesse jackson when he ran for president in the '80s and they said vouchers are important to look at washington d.c. with the
city council chair person for education or mayor williams there the democrats to said vouchers matter is more nuanced than that but if you had to draw a line between charter in voucher charters mostly democrats. >> you rhodopes with a headline that others read ' you said that moynihan report the former senator from new york at the labor department at the time was not the first federal inquiry into the challenges touche shocked the nation but was most shocking was the culprit the family structure of the black communities you going to give statistics to say in 1940 the birth rate of black lives matters was 3.8% by
2013 it was 44-point 3% and will put upon the screen some of those statistics that birth rate you can see 44 percent now the percentage of black children in a single-family 71% hispanic is to kipp% percentage of white children 29% what happened? >> two things happened between the report and today the number of children growing up in single-parent homes likely to see with black families and hispanic and white families on one level it is a challenge but in the midst of that what you have many children growing up at the same time to see an increase in the number of students who graduated from high school the number of students completing college a number of those students setter first generation coming from single-parent homes, so a
challenge even from the economic standpoint is challenge -- children of two-parent homes to have two incomes versus one in my colleagues wrote a great deal on this subject we cannot assume that poverty is their destiny or assume that it is true for growing up in a home with just one parent. >> what is your goal in life? >> to be a good public servant as the scholar at aei a or just to be regular. >> along the shore contract? >> until they want to get rid of me. >> you have a bucket list of other things specifically. >> it is more nuanced so recently focusing on prison
reform in particular the role of citizens of society that is coming back of 600,000 per year are they prepared to participate in the labor force? also a particular focus to make sure on the academic side we find generals to publish a report of three-year for americans between the ages of 18 and 24 are unable to qualify for the military because the health challenges in the academic challenges our national security issue so now we've right on that as well also on the role of civil society. for me it is unrealistic to expect private schools to do the jobs by themselves and will take faith base communities in nonprofit
organizations to wrap their arms around teachers and schools. >> i want to show you more visible public figures one as recently the secretary of education arnie duncan from two different parties. >> the fight for educational opportunity and civil rights always has been and will be inextricably linked. >> i agreed to work with reverence sharpton because i thought he came up with the most important breakthrough that is learning has to be the number one civil-rights of the 21st century. >> and another civil-rights education.
if president clinton or president trump calls to into the oval office to say give us three or four things we can do right away to improve the education and of people in the party community but would you tell them? >> make sure they reinvested our money into teachers and programs that work particularly focusing on funds and support staff and number two i would expand public and private choice to include the charters for the vouchers and the education in savings accounts to expand the opportunity and to see u.s. leader of the united states that if education is a civil-rights issue of this century is surely the idea that knowledge and ideas matter should be part of the equation. c-span: if donald trump was
elected and ask you to serve with you? >> as does the public servant i will it consider it. c-span: serving in the george h. w. bush and has been on two different sides of the issues and now let's watch what she has to say. >> nobody even knew who was on the committee and at the time it was written people were not even know where there was no informational effort to bring in people that were a specialist of early child education nobody was a specialist kids with disabilities there were no teachers on the writing committee so roughly that added 27 people who wrote the common core standards almost half came from the testing industry the problem with common core is at the same problem of no child left behind the assumption is that lies in more test
and harder test and higher standards and that is not a problem the problem is that almost 25% are living in poverty. >> i will incur point to a couple of videos that you showed some of the secretary duncan noted him and to take on his own party with a very strong union. to push for a teacher evaluations. talk about speaker gingrich were the brightest and smartest politicians and we remember many years ago not to support the idea not only
for black empowerment. it is not something new to the united states senate that great historian working will sides of the fence. so we should have an honest conversation about testing. >> if a young person comes to you to say what should i do as a student? in the book she traditionally would not read. to go to a four year institution. a big push to go to and through college.
and my two daughters will as well that so consider a trade school or community college for the associate degree in the aba take time off and get a job. they want to improve my skills. and as a lifelong endeavor. but to go and see something like a musical dance recital or opera. >> what is the most important person beside your parents? >> mr. raymond.
and then backed at ross and he said he had seen in the library a few times and then to extend my hand and said hello. he squeezed the hand and pulled me back he said i said hello. come to office let's talk. sova least once a month we talk in the office. what i consider dropping out of community college we could've made a great living but this is where you began this is a new u.s. and. and then another equation as well.
>> also a graduate of howard university and d.c. probably over 100 students. >> gaining 40 hours a week and i was a cashier at a ralph's grocery store and i cleaned the rooms and did everything that i need to do >> why do think he said that to you? >> dan decided to go to college as well and decided to get an education with library science because he also believed that does
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