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i don't want to want talk become that and we have a quo that. we are all talking together, trying to find the solution and understand the dynamic of history and how it plays a part. who would like to tackle that question. >> the issue -- and, you know, we used to wear a tee-shirt, and it's a black thing you wouldn't understand. and the idea was that you had to enter into our experience, and to engage in it. what you have to do is be committed to justice. >> you have to be mindful at all, in all moments. so it is not about, how do i
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enter as white person, i don't have black experience. are you committed to justice than ever then you're committed to this work, period. >> that's what i wanted to say. [laughter] >> i think langston hughes instead better. in his poem, dream of freedom, he said this dream today, and battle back against the wall. it must be saved for all. it doesn't matter, whether you are black, white, red, black or brown. your commitment to the values of this society. to the values of this society, which is of course, equality. >> i know baldwin, wrote a lot
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about identity, and one of the things that i love is, how he wrote about how whiteness came to be. you had to seize being german or irish or jewish. often times the jewish identity is swallowed and the narrative that the white narrative has to be a narrative that's a ethic narrative down, we understand, each other better. understand what, how irish people were treated in the north. probably as badly as african-american people. they were not enslaved. they had signs who said no irish need apply.
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boat sides are self righteous they don't listen. there's no communication. how do we get some humility, and real communication into the issue. >> one side has the legal use to deathly violence. >> it's not equal. >> that is example.
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>> you tell me. >> what do you mean it was an example. >> the, when you're communicating you listen and you ask questions, you don't throw accusations. >> okay, let me say something. i don't think they were throwing accusations, speaking from the knowledge of being african-americans. let me say one thing to you. as someone from baltimore, the first thing, many people see when i walk through the door, they don't see me as a white house correspondent they see my color. >> they don't see us as people. and it is who i am. who everyone else is here. we can walk with all the legal degrees and supreme court, but you are still, in some parts of this world, and country, a black person.
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and they call us other words. so it is per se vif. >> i hear what you are say, killed like you to watch the videotape of this, and see if that is not self righteousness. >> withwith all due respect. i don't think that anyone is being self righteous. i think that when you -- you said the people are very angry, and righteous and the blue lives people are. what one might do is not look at moment in time but look at the evolution and why these things occur. the black lives matter young people feel as the poem that you read, back up against the wall. they have seen their comrades shot, for nothing, and the
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woman, being humiliate and he had a baby in the car. i don't know how you can justify that. >> we've had so many cases -- >> on your side but on the police size i do understand, they are the people we call when we're in trouble. but we do not need folks who have a license to kill because they have a badge. too much has happened. you have a little old man -- the man can't hardly walk straight and they have given him a taser and a gun. and he shoots somebody in the back. >> osar grant, he said i mistook my taser for a gun.
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>> but, we have to look at it, oakland california police officers, in the 1960s were recruited in mississippi, alabama, and, they went to get the most, to co lield with the black panther party. >> that is prescription for disaster. >> i agree. >> i think communication between parties that are in dispute is critical. one of the reasons i'm delighted to see so many, is because the credit belongs to those who are willing to enter the arena. we'll never make progress. so i believe that communication between black lives matter and those that are concerned about police behavior and those who represent the police are very
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important. key, though, is we can make changes. when you look at what's happening today, we need better community policing. we need increased training, we need cameras on every police officer and we need police officers, to be responsible when they to do something wrong.
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when they express the rage of grieving over our families, the baby was 15 years-old, and, 4-year-old daughter, it's okay, i'm here. four-years-old trying to comfort her mother to be, to express in that moment and to have someone say i'm being self righteous. >> that's our reality. >> this is not the same, this is not say, that we have some moral position. that we can't be wrong.
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we can't be open to being convinced overwise. says what are you doing? the officer says, the park closes at 9:30. and his partner comes around the cruiser, and they both lean in, and says it closes at 9:30. and he says, we don't want any trouble we're leaving right now. i could have lost him right there. that's not self righteous nice.
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>> all in by that by how many thousands. because we hear about them, and we won't hear about baby boy unless he tells it. we all have a story of a young man, that gets stopped, and who has been, those stories don't make the stats. >> here's what i want to do, and let's have a real session right here. now, i know, from baltimore, i have been racially profiled and stopped, and, i want honestly here. how many minorities have been in a situation, with police -- hands are going up already. >> this is reality. i thank the gentleman for his statement. hold your "hands up" high. >> what's so important about this, every time this happens, we find ourselves in the moment of having to convince others, that it is real.
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>> ask how many white people? >> no. no. >> no. hold on. >> hello. i have the floor. now since, hold on. i hear you. now that you say you want to know how many white people. okay, let's do that. >> how many white people have had situations, that gentleman back there who said we were self righteous. >> because you went through the same thing. >> yes or no. >> okay. >> so, but do you understand, that, the reason why this is being, we're having this conversation is because there's a discease in america. in my home area. i just met him tonight.
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one related about what whites do and you focus on the word justice and again you did, and, a few minutes ago we talked about the equal justice initiative, and, if you haven't read just mercy and you don't know about the work,shim you.
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my students, in every class at community college reads his book because it is the essence of fighting, not just mass incar ser raising but the injustice that exists in our society. it is documented. and i encourage you to learn more about his work. justice initiative. this is a not paid for commercial. [laughter] >> but, i'm getting back to one of the questions, that i thought was a question that we were going to address tonight, that maybe we didn't. it ties in with the discussion of technology. and the technology, that we didn't discuss tonight and the technology of cameras, and, the cameras, that the body cameras,
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that police are taking, and using, and, some, in some police departments, in baltimore, more and more police are going to have body cameras. so i'm just interested in your reaction to the pros and con, twhoarve. s to talk about it. the pros and cons of body cameras, in this world of police, and minority community. >> let me say this. the accountability component, when it comes to policing, is now more evident because there is a call for body cameras. it's not required. there's the issue of the cost. but the bottom-line is, we are now seeing, in the black community, we have been talking
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about it for years. but now you see it and you understand our truth. that's not whatever you said it was, sir, being self righteous. it's the truth. i believe that that is one of the best pieces. there's an evolution, when it comes to race. and i believe that's one of the best pieces that is coming out, in 2016 that we see the videos, this young woman the boldness, to live stream after her fiance was shot. it takes lot to hold back the tears. to see your brothers, that could be my brother or father, and my uncle. >> as a community, i speak for a large portion.
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we are there, brothers and sisters. >> so, i think that piece,. >> you had something about what happened in baltimore, the stor- >> yes, but there's a story in baltimore that people don't know about, that they are talking about. >> everybody knows that of freddie gray and six officers not being convict and we did have a police officer who had shoot individual while os ground. and two other police officers came and testified at the trial as to what he did, and he was convict. and that hasn't been covered. justice was done in that case.
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it has several components the police testified against another police officer that did wrong. the victim survived and was able to testify, very fortunate.
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>> basically white folks have to be willing to believe, white folks have to be willing to believe that all police are not good. you will get people who tell you, it's like, they drank some kool-aid. but, they are good. no, they are not all good.
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some cities you have 18-year-old. your frontal lobe is not fully developed, impulse scroll not fully developed, until you are in your 20s. >> not sure. i noticed this in the beginning,
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and, how are you going to be able to communicate. >> thank you so much. >> i would have never known. >> i have something that's going into this conversation issue, from facebook. from a young lady, and she said, this goes into the campaign. she says why does donald trump think it is acceptable to speak, on. >> he is pandering to everyone and he put out a full page ad,
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when the central park five were accused of the wilding. they weren't even guilty. he's he is winging and nodding to undecided white people who could not dream of voting for a racist. or at least a blatant racist. i'm talking to you. he's talking to them. so, i mean, trump, you know -- we all,. [applause]
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>> we have to, and you guys have been wonderful and you have stuck with us tonight. have you enjoyed the conversation? >> have you really enjoyed it? >> thank you. >> the floor is yours. come close. we're not going to bite you. >> if you could share with me, your perspective of how obama has dealt with the issue of race. >> before we start, it's a very complicated situation. i'm going to say, everyone has their differing opinions. who would like to pick up this cross. [laughter] >> can you set the tone? >> well, thank you.
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this is my book it's called are we better off? in the book i talk about president barak obama and race. what we have to remember, is that he is a president of all america, not of black america, that he did have two years, where he could have done a lot. he didn't maximize that opportunity. and then he got these crazy republicans were obstruction nists at every turn. in fact, even as he was elected, there was as pass tor, in arizona who was praying for his death. when you pray for the president's death, the f.b.i. comes to see you. they let that man get away with that. >> as the president i give him a b. on race matters, something closer to a c., c-minus. i i wish that he had done more
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and there are opportunities, there have been, and, i don't think he's taken advantages. >> thank you. >> i think i call him a confidence man. >> oh. >> selling the snake oil of hope and change. i. >> i hear greens. >> i wrote it. i can't take it back. >> you have a lady standing up and she's trying to see what it is. >> one way in which i can crystallize that point is at the town hall meeting after the shootings of sterling, and christmas steel, and, the dallas police officers. you saw the a.b.c. news, disney, town hall and the way president barak obama engaged, in that conversation around race. had little to nothing to do with black people.
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he was in, that the moment, the paperback edition -- >> no you're not kidding. >> he was the interpreter in chief. trying to convince white america, of the reality of racism of the reality of inequality. so he didn't change the frame. he gave us a lot of hope, a lot of rhetoric. but it turned out to be snake oil. >> do you believe that a.b.c. read that conversation? >> i believe it was both of them. >> i think, president barak obama was standing his ground. and i think, i do. i think that he -- he i really do. i think he tried to, and he has
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never the same experiences, as many of us, as african-americans. i tried to convince a good friend of mine. his parents, his father was into the slave. did not come here. totally different experience. he was trying to may noor through this entire thing, and did he make mistakes? yes. but, i don't know very much people who haven't. [applause] >> i'm happy to speak on president barak obama as a professor, i'm delighted to evaluate him. i give him an a-plus on anger management. wow! that was a good one. that was good. [laughter] >> now we can all agree that one.
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>> in the spirit of time i'll stop right there. >> i could evaluate him -- >> that was great. >> i tend to be less critical of president barak obama than many others because i think you need to evaluate him in two categories, not one. legislation, and then rhetoric and i think what happens, people look what the he has said and when he did the beer summit, when he dealt with race he saw his poll numbers drop. and as a politics, and they want one thing, a second term. he made a judgment. when you look at his initiatives i give him a lot of credit. if congress, and professor mentioned a congress, if they had gone along with many, we would have reduced many of the ghosts of jim crow that exist
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today. we would have reduced many of those. >> i have the last word. thank you so much. i'm going to say this. you can clap. [applause] [laughter] >> but, now, for me, i'm a white house correspondent, been covering presidents for 20 years. but i say this to say, it is hard to grade a president and judge. it takes about ten years. but one thing i will say about this president, race and policy make particulars will follow him. whether it is in the oval office or whether it is post oval office. there is an evolution when it comes to issues of race. we have been dealing with this for hundreds of years, and for anyone to think in four years, that this will all be solved is
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mistaken. but what i will tell you is, assessing him, there are things that he could have done, and things that he couldn't do. one thing, i know the issue of race, did guide his decisions. if he had not done what he did, he would not get a second term. this is something that i put in my next book. [laughter] >> i know. hold on. shameless plug. but there was a president who integrated the u.s. military, yes. truman. yeah. >> he integrated it, and he could have been one of the greatest ever but the reason why he wasn't, is because of that -- because of race. many people are saying, this president could be considered one of the greatest but one of the only reasons is race.
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i will leave you with this. i thank you, hold up your book. thank you all for contributing in this great civil conversation, third installment. thank you, and brad, c. span you are all that. thank you all and there are books for sale, get your books now. we are signing right now.
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it will take you across the country, and book parties, where authors talk about their latest works. it is the only national book network that focuses on, books. television for serious readers. >> now the importance of sound and video in politics. this is a little over an hour. >> mitchell schwartz, andrew frank, and steve bar, they learned the craft on mondale's campaign, served as my role models. they were the answer to diva during that summer and schwartz was a lead advance man, and, quick humor. that was self-serving enough.
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i had to read that. mort claimed he was his mentor. he got four pages, but was a great teacher, just to be clear on that. >> josh is a good buddy, and a good friend and a lot of people worked with him and me and we all work odom accurate particular politics together and josh has written a really interesting book that most of you here have bought and he would sign everybody's. t.v. has really changed politics, and, there's just a quick couple of examples of that, in 1960, the debate, they said they thought that nixon had won. but when they watched t.v., kennedy had one. he was younger, and, shaven, and, nixon had this shadow. throughout now, the portrayal of
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the candidates through their campaign stops, has made a tremendous difference. there are constant examples, our former governor, schwarzenegger, when he wanted to abolish the car tax, he did an event, where he had it destroyed. do you remember this? it was such an extreme example and he was saying we're going to abolish the car tax. i'm not sure what that had to do. bill clinton, who mort and others, did more work, had something where he was dedicating a monument in utah or designating land to be under the terms, it was limited to how much building you could do. he didn't put up anything. what he did was set up a nice wooden table and there was a
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gorgeous view -- so that was an example of letting the picture speak for itself. you didn't have to build anything. you the beauty of this wonderful wilderness area behind him. doubt this election. what do we remember? not a ton. donald trump. boo. what he would do is coming in, his huge plane that was supposed to evoke, that's how he byes around, air force 1. or when he announced and he came down the escalate tor, so, the theatrics of campaigns are more and more important, and josh stayed with it and became one of the experts, at it. and learned a lot. on his own became one of the best and stayed with it and worked for the clinton administration, and this book is just wonderful to read.
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we all know all the people. but it's somewhat overlooked part of campaigns, and it's so important. picture says 1,000 sand words. in a day and age when the average soundbite is five or six seconds, the pictures of critical. people like josh and others, maybe have an out sized influence, whether that is good or bad, i'm not sure. but when it is for the cause of good, and it's a wonderful thing. he's going to be inteufd by todd, a recent citizen of l.a. you guys moved here, two years. todd came from washington, dc with his wife, and todd was the head of the 'new york times' bureau, in washington. he now works for variety. he's fascinating because he's one of the best political writers, and it's wonderful.
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he writes really well, and is so a quick plug, it is their first time being there, his books has been an institution here, and larchmont boulevard is the epicenter of this whole thing, and larchmont area and you see people all the time, and it's just a wonderful thing. but bookstores are hurting. more are buying books at amazon. and burt, who is a very accomplished attorney, bought this bookstore, in order to save it from becoming coffee shop.
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and has built it up and he does these salons, please get on his list, and they have everybody who writes books, and speaks, it is wonderful. he has several times a month and he's added tremendously to the fervor and stuff. so we thank you, wonderful thing >> i give you the great two some of josh and todd. >> thank you. i just to want say, i work for "vanity fair." for my past employer, i was the l.a. but never the washington bureau chief. [laughter] >> that's all. >> but because to say television and internet. so welcome. it's good to see you josh. this is a timely topic.
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a day after the end of the primary season and i've known each other and i will ask you, a question, as you, yourself, point out in the book, the best work is invisible. advanced people are supposed to have a passion for anonymity. why you have revealed the trade secrets and,000 works. it is like you were the magician, and how the tricks were done. >> could you explain what you thought the public could learn from this. >> thanks. i think that, every time you finish a political trip, and, mort and david, and, rica and so many other people who have been doing trips, you would get around a table, and, have some beers, it was called the wheels
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up party. at some point, someone would say, some day i'm going to write a book. i would be part of those conversations. i always thought that the people that do this work, have never been the people who have never written books. but chiefs' of staff, and domestic policy. and there is a code of you don't talk about what happens on the road. i felt like, i was always obsessed with this one event. september 13, 1988, mike rides in a tank. i knew that my friend had had some involvement in it. and, one day, we were having a beer in new york, in a pub. and not like those other times he said, "i have this journal
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from 1988 and i haven't looked at it in 25 years. and it tells my story. i said can i take a look at it? >> i have a copy of it here. it's six typewritten pages. but it brought back history. it brought back that time in 1988 when it was george hw bush, and it was such a wonderful story and by honing in on this trip for the first third of the book i could tell the story of how the press works, how political advertising works, and advance team and how conventions work. i just thought that we do see, we see plenty of other books. for all of those hundreds, and how it sands of advance people
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out there, who would be law suited to tell their story, if i could start, in 1988 and follow an equal none of republicans and democrats moving up to the vest present day. >> well you don't telltales out of the school. and they have told. this is not a david stock man book -- >> no. >> you're not telling private conversations. it became as a piece of political magazine. >> because -- he has given me his journal, late in 25012. and i know.political magazine. >> if i could just in touch with
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her because the 25th anniversary, in the tank is coming up in september. 2013, they might like it. but, i went to the ideas festival, and the journal and i said i have to start writing it up. it could be an e book. and i started hammering away and said, well, it would lead me down all these other rabbit holes, and so by the end of the summer. i had 60,000 words. and susan said i can only take six. just do the dew caucus story, interviewed matt bennett and me and talked to, him, and so once that ran in blitz co, and i think it was one of the most
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widely read stories, their first year in publication. an agent said, could you come up with any more? >> yeah. one per campaign. >> one of the distressingly common threats, so many that turnout to be disastrous were thought at the time, the staff thought they nailed t. they had a good day. walk us through the tank and how it happened and what we don't know about it. >> it's the summer of 1988, and he has really wind at his back, if you look at the polling, some of the critical measures, of cares, he had a advantage over vice-president bush. a real devasat this time when it came to would be a
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commander-in-chief. he was against bush, aviator. chairman. rnc. and -- c.i.a. >> so, he had to build up hits props to stand toe-to-toe as really could be entrusted. so, beginning back in the primaries, looking at what would be a good policy on a conventional deterrence, he is talking about the conventional deterrence initiative. and the tank, 70,000 pound is the perfect example of that. let's buy more tanks, to counter the soviet threat. and forget about this "star wars" program. after his convention, does an initial trip, focus on foreign
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policy. doesn't do enough and, john saso, the one time campaign manager, banished, after the videotape comes back and they hatch an idea, to do, what. it's theme weeks. everyday we're going to focus on foreign policy. so theme week was laid out for the week of september 11th through 14th of 1988. monday brought them to philadelphia, and for cincinnati and tuesday would bring them to chicago, and sterling heights and matt bennett is dispatched to sterling hides, where they have a facility where they sell them to the pentagon and to foreign purchasers. so matt, is told by boston headquarters, we want him to
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take a ride in the tank. as any advance person does they do it. we'll do a standard run at 45-miles-per-hour, you got wear a helmet. and to also protect your torso, because you could be hurt in a tank like this. and, he called back to boston and he says, it was damn fun. but this, he will look terrible. >> never put anything on your head. that's politics, 101, when president barak obama is handed a football helmet. and this brings back, this is where the book starts. never put something your head, if you are president. and this all stems from mike, with this, it fit him.
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oversized. and it this large lay bowl it, black writing on a white background that said his name. it looked like pete maverick mitchell from top gun. he didn't look like tom cruise. to just to finish up, because we could talk about that all night, but when the event was actually over, the correspondent, producers, and writers, and the t.v. guys, would, came up, to joe lockhart and said, you guys really figured it out. we've been covering reagan and you haven't given us any like reagan like moments. do more of this. so sam donaldson, and chris
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wallace, and, bruce morton, that night did two minute packages, that, if you look at them, in isolation and you break down the way chris wallace reports it. he gave him all the visuals, he needed. his speech, and his quick ride in the tank but his policy focus against vice-president bush. and the way that story was put together, it showed vice-president bush, and dan quale on the defensive. we got great visuals and substance from chicago, the t.v. networks had all the video for put together a terrific two minute package. and the way tom brock cow and dan rather, and, peter jennings,
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did it, looked pretty good. >> and he says, i have an idea. so five weeks later -- >> wasn't part of the fatal flaw the day that it took a sweep close to the photographers. into the close up shot of him. and 45-miles-per-hour, he was a little car sick. >> very. >> so, arthur gray, says it was a photographer to shoot for "newsweek." he tried to warn the campaign, that this was headed for disaster. so he's seeing pictures, back in a hangar, and then dismounts and he sees a very wobbly governor. there was a huge debate about whether the helmet should be worn or not. wouldn't let it go forward
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without it. on what he just do a slow roll in front of the press? >> but if they broker a compromise where, the governor would emerge from this behind closed doors, in the hangar, and, he had become the secretariest navy and a slow roll for the cameras, and, those who have done politics, these are 60-foot long constructions. you could almost do like a cat walk. very slowly get all the pictures you want and the governor will not be wearing the helmet. he'll look like patton. then the tank will cruise well off, about a half mile, on the field, have a stop and the governor will put his helmet on
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and goat see how this conventional piece of military equipment can operate. they wanted to show everything they could. >> this guy could be president and they want to sell more. so, there is this story, between matt bennett, who gave me his jury dismal jack weeks who was on the plane as the trip director, where matt is trying to tell boston, i'm not comfortable with this. and the tour, that had gone from philadelphia to cincinnati is running into snags. they're booing him, at the general electric plant and you better get it, because we can't have another day screwed up and jack flies to sterling heights, get's site, and i'm trying
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decipher the story, that they told. they tried to have it both ways. the slow path and then have the helmet on. he had no idea the helmet would go on. and the tank stops at the far end of the proving ground and he says, the story is going to be tank runs out of gas. but then it goes on these passes back-and-forth, but then strangely and oddly it comes back toward the press riser at full speed, and face a last-minute left hand turn -- with its 105 millimeter turn almost decapitating the reporters. but it is that the moment, that a photographer gets a close up
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shot of mike, a smile on his face, and, this is what -- he does. >> he just decides that he looks like the turtle? >> he thought, he was a great ad man. he made ads for reagan and he's thinking of that old 60s or 70s, hang on.
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>> all he did was flip it in the machine, slow down, add sound effects like the wheels of a tank it winding. it was just basically silent footage of dukakis in the tank. and then he makes is a. >> with the networks be so principal today or with they want revenue? >> i think today you find campaigns regularly assigning what we call trackers to show up at any of these open events and get their own video and own footage the way they want. this is what happened to george allen in 2006 when he came up with this moment. >> you talk in the book the term uses the age of optics and in the introduction they talked about the kennedy nixon debate
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in the sixties, when did the modern age of optics as we understand it begin? in the 60s with kennedy on television? >> i had to look at a point when everything conspired to make daily storytelling of a politician's life more important and easier. >> sophie that was reagan. >> it it would be reagan as tv networks transition from film to video and can satellite their footage back to new york for editing. >> live. >> but they don't have canisters of lb and sent off to anyone else. >> note canisters and no developing. this is when white house correspondents become like themselves like donaldson and he can get on like the way he story tells of reagan from 81 - 89 and then picks up. so i'm thinking about the age of optics it is reagan has always
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seemed and to me as well as the great communicator, great person who understood through michael dever, the ability of stagecraft to tell stories. the question is as the ada campaign comes up is who can understand the reagan model better? george w. bush are dukakis. what i'm seeing as i remember it as a young man, but also going back and looking at it is spring, the the primary season and then the spring and fall as every day both campaigns were trying to tell new stories. i called the age of optics. >> it's not just the pictures, as the sound. there's several aspects of the sound and i loved reading about it from your days with president clinton which is music. used to love the thing from the magnificent seven. that is a stable and western venues
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especially. how do you go about picking the right kind of use it for a candidate? >> i learned some of this, i remember i think it was an 84, mitchell a western governors association event where someone decided to have all the governors of the western state walk together toward the event. let's position the press so you can actually capture their strides on let's play on the loudspeaker the theme to the magnificent seven. almost just trying to co-op the way a movie producer movie director would film the scene and then add musical soundtrack underlay and postproduction. so that always stuck with me. whenever we would do an event with governor clinton in the president clinton i would say,
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what music and particulars going to fit with this theme? so 1996 as an example that he wrote about, he goes to concord, new hampshire in the beginning of his reelection effort to show its focus on education. early in that day we brought him to an elementary school and he is looking over the kids shoulder as their playing with the newfangled thing called a computer. we programmed the computer to speak to president clinton. when the kids oppressed their mouse on the button that says you will be reelected and we position the microphone right next to the computer through cabling and what we call almost box so the networks traveling with us can hear it. then to finish the day we went to a large auditorium and give a speech to several thousand people. but for his walk out music the theme to mr. holland's opus.
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>> about a beloved music teacher in high school. >> one of the most fascinating sections of the book is when you talk about the realities of sound in a crowded place. talk about governor howard dean's famous scream in iowa. leave aside the fact that his campaign had collapsed before that moment, he didn't feel beef because he screamed. he screamed only only to the people who are watching him on tv who did not realize that what he was doing was struggling to be heard and to hear himself above the roar of the crowd which was not been picked up on this directional mic in front of him. >> so you go back to the bel air ballroom in january 2004, the iowa caucuses just concluded. he came in a disappointing third. he has these thousands of volunteers who have all streamed into the state, who came in with the highest of hopes with him on top of the polls, no father bark
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then thanksgiving or christmas and suddenly they have this huge letdown. governor dean is back stay with joe trippi, what should i say? they say you should go on give them hell. fire them up because the next morning we have to send them to all of the primary caucus states. keep keep them energized. the bel air ballroom is a real venue that usually housed rock acts weekend and week out in west amoy. it is filled filled with 3500 people to the rafters. they're so loud as the governor walks out, a young man named bo who would eventually go on to become the executive producer and house of cards is trying to figure out how to wipe at this event together. i don't have that much equipment. physically what he has is a microphone, he doesn't have the big stage monitors which are the things that rock musicians use to modulate their own base based on the decibel level in the
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room. so dean is trying to project a way out to 3500 people and he has no idea if they can hear them because he cannot hear himself. so all you can do is give his speech, a two minutes longing and talk about where work on ago, south carolina, south carolina, north carolina, washington d.c., yeah! he cannot hear himself. but but because he is speaking into this microphone, that wire, all the way to the back of the room to the press riser, to this multi-box this multi- box in the malt box is plugged into by all the networks and the people watching the reporting of the iowa caucus results back in new york and washington, they they don't hear 3500 people. they hear one person speaking it one microphone who is sounding unhinged.
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>> secretary clinton has been taken to task for shouting his grooming at her crab, as part of that responsible the same phenomenon? she's in large places like the -- although i was struck that she has not seen. >> while we seen a development of her over the last several months. both her and the technical support that she is getting from her advance team is getting better. she would get in front of these crowds and she would try to match the energy of the crowd and maybe she did not have the size of the monitors she needed to blowback sound or to basically tell the speaker it is okay, you do not need to project as much as you were. remember that scene back to trump, if he is trying, if he
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says i'm plain the woman card, deal me inches and really trying to get back to the back of a house. that is where she took some criticism from trump and others, oh she's being shrill. and i think that monitor again should be reflecting her own voice back to her so she's here and how it sounds. >> now password to last night in the brooklyn navy yard. if you just listen to the way she is speaking she is very conscious of the fact that there may be 2000 people in the brooklyn navy yard but there are millions of people watching through the cable nets. and to have them see me with modulating and managing my volume my pace, delivering my attack line to my teleprompter with really good timing, a couple of thousand people in front of me and the thousand people behind me and the naval yard i have to say it they are props. because she wants to sound out just right, presidential, not overbearing, and someone that you, watching at home and then whatever gets use the next
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morning on the today show sounds. that's a person who i think has the temperament for the oval office. >> you make the point in your book that we won't know for a few minutes what the outstanding gap or success of this cycle has been. so far what has been one or two of the best stage political moments and one one or two of the worst? >> the point that i make in the book is that many of the things that really came back to haunt candidates about what they did in public you would not have known it at the time. a quick of that would be due to caucus it's not till five weeks later that the tank at heirs which is what we remember him by today, the ad, not the event. mitt romney 2012 singing america the beautiful. he does on january in the villages. that tape is logged by the obama
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campaign. but devastating out of him singing the classic, patriotic song over pictures of mt board forms, boarded-up factories, bohemian and swiss bank accounts, it debuts in june, just when it is most important for him to position himself as the republican nominee and the opponent making it clear that he is of the 1%. the other example is john kerry and windsurfing. he goes windsurfing in august during the republican convention, that is matched up with his infamous quote, i voted for the 87,000,000,000 dollars before i voted against it. and you add. and you add to that the soundtrack of the blue daniel waltz and then mark has a great ad. >> so what is happening this cycle? my point is that the crvi

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