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he said can i take you to lunch. and i said no, i'm mary. he said well i didn't ask you to marry me, ask ask you to go to lunch. but i was separated from a previous husband at that time. we just struck up a friendship and it didn't take very long for me to know that this man was my soulmate. i have been been married to him for 42 years. [applause]. >> how wonderful is that. this has been a phenomenal phenomenal panel. let's give the panelist another hand. >> will will end up with the same that it takes a mighty courage to be in this place. it takes a a mighty courage living in mississippi. it takes a mighty courage 2016, and 16, and we thank you so much. [applause].
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>> >> and then number four was the story so is there any other theme that's anyone's for a reading? some of the characters are standing here that are in the book.
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so they were there that they could figure out. the israeli with the face like a sheet of plywood. >> and they interviewed me at casebook i a assume anybody else has of passage you want me to read? feels free. and might give up before i get to the end. i will do some readings so the final show meeting and that context i dunno if you have read that but about the
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future of this book i end up losing the political struggle so the scene is sherrill's good news. joyce sound like the voice of god? >> page 465. so when i play every card that i can like all of former face book ads will show up.
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so for this final meeting that is it. so we erasure into the starting point. this is the exact same point from the first chapter of the book. but under very different circumstances. i played every last card. if you go browse the internet we built that. so you have me to blame for that. so pushing to the absolute max. we have partners to spend as much money as possible i try to charm and persuade with
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the co-founders in the past. most of them barely understood. on the bad side maurer or less refusing to work on the bullshit projects pushing the contrary in agenda. t3 was an unqualified success and i received much praise for doing very little. much less on the overarching direction that represented. cheryl max treed to extend to put the mobile inventory to pull this off. if cheryl the not agree then would be the death of fbx and everything around it.
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for the partners to integrate in the bigger vision we were all betting on one card being drawn. she gestured to the head of advertising. we should not shifted and the matching that is likely are matched to every device in the world. and continue with custom audiences only. this is a short meeting ever ready has contributed? that is what we will do. nobody moved or spoken after so many months of discussion it was hard to believe it had been made trying to snap us out of a steeper no mobile what inventory keep
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pressing with identity. i looked out the window into the main courtyard there is a sign pointing skyward. after some closing formalities everybody got up to leave there was nothing left to discuss. glancing in my direction but i went out of the room he was out before i could even catch up. i left the area or what was out of it was a gamble my entire face book career on was on life-support now we have nothing to do. that was the death of fbx. the next one is where i get embarrassed. the context is i knocked up a girl i barely knew on the fourth day in three months later she announces she's
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pregnant. so i will read from page to. [applause] and -- from page 55. >> reminiscent of that afghan girl. the personality was rough and as her skin she spent years between jobs and was the presence six-foot tall and bare feet towering over me. most women in the bay area are soft and confident and naive. they have their self regarding entitlement feminism but the reality is come the invasion there exactly what you would think. again the british trader on
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the other hand would end up during the apocalypse for would ever worked animal husbandry long story short to put your word genetic wagon that is why alice shock to she complained of being nauseated while grabbing a local newspaper she grabbed a pregnancy test. like any male who plays fast and loose and have my fair share of scarce our initial world will lynch europe but to make later missed her . like she mr. buss. after the third show you want to say a mussel looks
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like maybe have nothing to talk about. i did go to the doctors replied that seemed pretentious for casual saturday morning brunch. i am pregnant. a human life. i thought shit in life is what happens when you are making other plans. [laughter] you can choose which one you want me to read. okay so now we have to vote. ten.
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okay 12 and for the home scene? sari berger the first one takes it. he is the head of advertising and is there because he was from harvard. i don't know if you saw the movie this social network but at some point it was total pandemonium like i described in the book and they sent him to figure out what was going on. he has no background in advertising at all. he was no longer the
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dilettante guest. but the officially installed leader carrying himself like he owned the place. his takeover was more than a cosmetic shaft we witnessing the complete refrigeration along the single dimension. your fired. when might continue on was yet to be determined to figure how he requested that we have a one-on-one even though i did not report to him officially to a inshore order a was sitting across a table and a small conference room on his right to map of california on the left it circled his wrist truth in mind. i had done a complete face books doc clear into baby could i saw him is deleted
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autobiography i also wrote -- saw his philosophy clearly he was one of those that prided and so fond directness and honesty. for viper part i found truth was a rare commodity iso noticed those in major show believing in truth would be attacked for never pack of lies they would fold der preceded quickly to my role with the ads team every february and august bring the usual jockeys and the biggest detractors did not quite manage. the review of your team members and management one loves you and the other hates you. yes no shit. i could imagine the
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feedback. as the other members of the team with product readership to cry my unsupported nation of the current phase book strategy. i made friends and enemies but my goal is to give face book the best i could barely remember the new trail of destruction to different women of neglect when intellect that is nonexistent. don't be deceived. inside every cynic at 1.with lucifer to be the proudest angel perhaps even more than
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most. moving on to the topic of open versus closed he expressed his firm intent come to a conclusion quickly this was one of those importance to re-read positively or negatively afterwards we should cams the meeting had the smell of last meeting before things turn ugly annie started to unleash the headman i did not like the smell of it. not one bit. you know how that ended. should i stop there? okay one more.
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for under the sec's -- four '06 did any by the home brewing can -- can't quite. >> he could provide necessary context. this is a two-story. -- true story i had my home from in apparatus somewhere. aided by other degenerates i deployed the 5-gallon brew while training the respectable amount when it came time to cure that large coil of tubing to the kitchen sink. did we were apprised of the fact it was raining on the desk of every other desk of
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senior management when security russian. our brave be your crew finished the brew and left the firm into their. 4:00 that morning with my duties as product manager vice sent an apologetic e-mail offering a bottle of the brew i still owe him a bottle it was excellent we killed it inside of one hour. okay so there goes the reading. >> i and the events coordinator here. thanks for coming. he just had a baby.
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he didn't but somebody did. he is a proud father. we will take questions but please use the microphone. >> >> in the book you don't seem to have much relation to your children. >> the book is a snapshot in time in some ways it was worse than i detected because the result will child-support case but it is pretty good now and i still see them.
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the mother of the british trader is as independent as she was recently she decided to go travel the world with the kids and they took off one week ago they aren't visiting new zealand and israel said they are seeing the world so i have been a part of their lives for the last six years they are for and six of their doing well. it all quite understand the book. if you read the acknowledgments he will see the reference to the french architect. the child was conceived of the day i got the book deal in a decade now literally as the book came out. [laughter] so there was another woman that is another strange
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situation probably the only woman who can put up with me. >> i want to know if you have kept your face book and is that an endorsement? if you dispose of it do regret greg. >> is in the book that i sold it but i mention that because if you read the
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epilogue it tells you what happened after it was very accidental. but face book six months or one year with 50% mobile and it was completely unexpected i didn't see that coming nobody saw that coming. so money follows hannibal's. if you look at the internet sites you'll see a massive gap of the eyeballs in the internet and who follows that but face book broke the mold they made the money follow the eyeballs in a span of a few quarters so when i left it was 40% mobile two whenever it is now which is almost 85 percent which is incredible they built an
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entire business around the complete the unexpectedly. they simply do not have a 54 10 year plan but on either hand they improvise very well so this unexpected they can capitalize. you have other messaging like aol because of that shift is in his people realized all the money is following the eyeballs. cbs i did sell the stock. but will not give a buy or sell signal on this book but it will not go away anytime soon.
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>> day forget where i read that didn't procter in gamble decide to decrease advertising because it wasn't effective and then will suddenly people realize that could. >> the new story i don't know the details but they publicly announced when ad campaigns don't work out there is not the public announcement but it isn't working for the brand campaigns we will scale down. if you read the book that is a surprising was one of the first faced book advertising targeting. i spent one year trying to turn that into money and it did not work. we're trying to get a popular response that is a
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marginal results. it doesn't have to work for you to sell it. the brain advertisers like the legacy of state dinners and inertia to be the fuddy-duddy so literally is the legacy of missions and five years after it was evident procter gamble said we target those who light crest toothpaste it does not help. no shit. they liked it two years ago. i am not surprised. >> where was face book located? >> when i joined if you
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drive up the avenue it was an old industrial lab nothing special. >> and then they moved to the end which is now a massive campus now they are building on the of the side really it is across the street. >> and the cool thing is they intentionally left things in conference room like the ruins of the previous civilization unless we fall into the same trap like the classical touches. >> comment on the reception
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of the title of your book if that has any relationship to the monkeys and the typewriters. >> the first title of the book and was actually pseudo randomness that the machines produce the idea that my life is pretty random but then they said we will do that and keep the title with then they said get rid of it . it is a diagnostic software package so picture a monkey running three datacenter and they test and see if "house of cards" will stream. like from every major internet company.
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[inaudible] >> not going toive doo into that. but arguably they are. yeah. >> thanks for coming to speak today. what inspires you to write a book, i mean, you weren't a writer before right so -- >> funny i did that first seven jobs thing. this meme you're supposed to post seven jobs whatever, and big reveal is first job was journalism intern in mid-90s actually. so piffle like i've been a master at being a technology guy actually, and so writing thing was always part of the intent to sol degree. i think if, you know, it's a stretch for me to say i was under cover an embedded in facebook just to create the book but to some degree that's somewhat true and that's why dates are right and everything is documented because i was taking notes throughout the course of this thing so it was in back of my mind but spoiler i
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mention my mothers dies that's a trigger to reevaluate your life. what's on my bucket list, writing this book. so real reason why i'm making taking your questions. we live in amazing times to get great ideas for a moment. what we're living through think about this for a second. everything right, all of human knowledge is in that device and entire social life is immediated by that opinion i can remember no smartphone, no computing like i was raised in a library with card catalog to flip and find a thing, right to realize where we are it is crazy. people will look back and think of this like gliewten burg precincting press or industrial revolution and a nobody is documenting. last decent insider tell all memoir is start up by jerry kaplan and 20 years old it is a good book. but it's really dated. [laughter] and so i wanted to create some degree that. so that you know, a century from now people ask what was it like back in the day this might be
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one of the dozen books that are referred to that's why i decided to commit personal suicide and write the book. cool. [laughter] so kind of along lines of last two questions -- what was the process writing the book talk a little bit about that and set down over course of a few monthses an bang it all out or torturous going over it and over it again. >> saying hi to the guy. we read the scene and you wrnght here. [laughter] it's chris buret used to sell it -- so here was the process mother dies, i decided to sell everything. i move to europe because i thought my career would be over and reboot of something else. literally like a fugitive and so i go to europe. start writings a little bit and then you write a book proposal like pitch and sell agent and agent sells ewe to publisher an you get a book deal and they want this to be august of last year like summer beach read of this year. and if you know book world doing a book in a year is like light
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speed and does not happen so like we were looking at 10 months. so i got the book deal and i remembered where i bought my recent boat up in san juan islands an none of you showlgd go there and remain unspoiled but beautiful island between seattle and vancouver island and i snag a place there and lock myself in there like unabomber wrote all day and stress and rage and pissed off my ed for and i manage to submit the manuscript by thanksgiving, christmas or so and five were four month was editing and legal review and all of the rest of it and out it came 40 weeks after the exactly 40 weeks after book came -- book deal was struck. >> yeah. so i would say toying with the idea it would destroy a year or two of your life. for that question -- >> hi, i haven't had a chance to read your book. only the a little bit of it. but what i do get from it is
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it's sort of a tell-all about which brings out some of what's wrong, brutal about capitalism in silicon valley. here's my question to you, in your journey, have you ever thought about can we do better than capitalist? >> yeah, you know, i get asked that question like mark fisher in the book the scene with ipo i made comparison between facebook an communist where distant cousins are smoldering not an like from churchill that democracy is worth way to run a country other than other ways that have been tried to capitalism is like the worst way to actually divide the spoil of the means of production expect of the ways that have come up with. so yeah what's alternative right? but yeah, no, i think capitalism makes in a way and in silicon valley is hypercapitalism at the ultimate cream in many ways and i think a lot of weirdness is focus on --
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anyone who is -- staying long enough to realize it doesn't exist. how else do you justify the fact that two startups go and one has a billion dollar outcome and other has a zeroout come can he be a design project manager but we have to pretend that he is. otherwise how could you justify that -- that income equality so these are what had are sort of lube are that keep the machine going. too anarchist. who's at the line. sorry, go ahead. >> in the book you talk like one of the most scariest things you talk about was companies that track everything that's delivered to our homes. i was wondering if you talk more about that and also how ad blockers are stealing. what is like are these companies doing us a service. do we owe them that information? >> so thing here incase you have read a book is a big brother chapter right from my facebook head-on that facebook isn't a
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big brother. it's companies called like epsilon that have been tracking you like literally since like the 60s since before men that walked on earth and nobodies about that. but all of the is shit in the ml that's a multibillion dollar business and they know their income, education level and when they join to an actual third party advertiser like target orbed bath, beyond they join that data with all of those discount cards you use that is a vehicle for data joining so exactly what you bought in stores like physical store is right like diapers -- personal products whatever that's all known. right, and big challenge part of what the story is about -- is joining that massive mountain of offis line data to online world and still a gap there. historically it's been hard to do because it's like basically the -- what a technologist call a primary key to database is name and address but online world the prime key is cooking browser or device idea on your mobile
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device so joining your browser or your device but this to an address that is joined to the fact that you bought a 12 pack of condoms last night whether you know it ore not. and so -- you know those at the end of the day facebook and i sound like a facebook plant. why -- cares about you as a user because they care about your eyeballs on plat former and they consider ads to be necessary eeflt to play a bill and at the end of the day they want to please you. but guy who wants to sell you a sweater at any cost he doesn't. so if anything weird thing is like people and it sounds doory but people use facebook it is like hasn't learned object perm assistance but facebook isn't showing you anything. it is a messaging system that takes either, you know, your browser cookie or the fact that you're 37 in mountain view on thursday at 7:00 and then shows you a message, right like when you get a piece of e-mail spam
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for i don't know pills or something does it say google is showing me pills for penis pill but you understand it has a messaging system or a marketing call do you blame at&t for it? no you understanding -- the peek ad isn't the same. but i think people don't understand because everybody sends e-mail and phone calls but not running ads but they are basically a paid messaging system right are. so anyhow my answer to your question is you should be is worried about what advertiser knows and less about facebook. because they care about keeping you using the app and don't care about the money so much. and outblocking is interesting piece of news facebook -- about basically said that it is going to add blockers and so a piece of software that you download and basically it knows the actual end point address and where ads come from and then it basically doesn't load those pixels in your browser to go without load an ads, right. so historically that was like a minimal usage like a few
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percentage points but now it's like wall street journal came out with a piece like a quarter of internet yewsers have an ad blocker now gone from like you know -- i say example you know a retail establishment has like what is called shrinkage one or two percent gets lost so ad blocking used to be a shrinkage problem now wholesale impressions are sold, so facebook said look we're going to block ad blockers which they can do because they serve their own ads and so a piece of software looking at facebook trying to find ad could get confused because it is coming from facebook but not an ad server whatever, and ad blocker blockers and blocker blocker and it goes on. but i do think at the end of the day that yeah it is minor form of piracy it is, and i know it sounds like a total douchey thing to say a lot of people stapgding here they make facebook load, like facebook is a quarter of the internet everywhere except china. think about that a quarter of the internet.
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right bills of photos uploaded every day. and i know that feels like major call cost is free but it is not free to run this entire town in oregon livelihood is basically keeping facebook machines cool. that's their entire reason to be a cooling system that is not cheap and you use it, and it feels like it is free but it is not. i do think it is the form of that in a way. that said, of course, hold on. but to clarify it is the case that establishers don't give a shit about user experience and i can see how they'll be templetted to use it. facebook rarely inserts disagreement experience so then i think the problem is that publishers don't care. that's the real problem. for many publishers don't care. okay long answer to a short question. go on. sure. [laughter] >> so i just happen to move through the rally six weeks ago to support my husband's job at -- >> you e-mailed me -- i remember that. [laughter] retweeted.
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so it's amazing i'm still reading it, and it's very dark and in a way kind of reminds me of louie ck but in a weird way. anyway, my question is are you also thinking about at some point having a movie. is that kind of been the -- >> ideally only way to make money in books is tv. but trying to hustle that now but it's weird like i'm only starting to learn this but so many steps along the the way to get a movie made. every movie you watch is a minor miracle so like a book deal is book deal and publish it and short of whatever them blowing up it will happen. but gets to the movie there's steps along the way there's really no guarantee. by the way funny i don't know if i wrote this in the tweet but u funny i guess you're reading it because your husband -- and so so many people told me they bought the book for their family members, in fact, is reese here? one of the guys in the book bought it for his therapist because he said, look this is going to save time puck me paying you $30 and hour read the book an we'll talk.
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and then i think that's been a good -- like ecosystem manual for people aired the people who work in tech. so yeah. >> i like what you wrote about axymu. >> no idea what it does, they >> to the website, never figure out what it does, it's a secret company. a thousand 500 piece of data from every consumer around the world -- >> wow. way beyond what anybody realizes -- yep. by anyway, my question is about twitter. what do you think is going to happen to twitter? [laughter] >> yeah, twitter so context there i sold my company to twitter and bailed to facebook and after facebook thing because people here live in a memory less state i went back to advice for two years to help them with acquisition so i have some view into twitter although never
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there as a full-time employee i shouldn't say that. i don'tthem deeply well but i kw members of the ad campaign. problem with twitter i think is part of the reason why facebook has done so well is that, you know, facebook has like a genius ceo and i mean that in the book a force of nature that created this thing, that will live on for a long time and twitter is missing that level of leadership right now. and reality is that -- whether at the smallest level of three person startup or massive level of public tech company you need someone whob make the bet that company moves in some direction. right because the technical world i mean it's a cliche metaphor like a snip in a stormy ocean right and at some point you have to to decide to go in that direction and company lives by that decision and that's what it is. but seems to me twitter is spinning its wheels for a long time and then you know growth problem. like a rocket with a effect doesn't have a steady stay constant usage curve but growing or it's dying. there's no in between and seems to be in between two states is right now.
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and so yeah it's a little bit worrying. which is a shame because again i work with ads and they're bright forward looking but execution always beats vision. always. and facebook has execution. >> a somewhat related to twitter one of the parts of the book obl is you know what you described about selling it and then i wonder it seemed like you know at the time you were sort of thinking hey, this is better for me to go to facebook, like my two cofounders are are going to twitter i forget about on a book or pod cost because they made out better in the ends and wonder what you think about that if you, you know, would do it. definitely again or just -- that's maybe some of the random failure. >> karma is a bitch. i mention that in epilogue. i mention that in epilogue. are they here cofounders? so our gear and mrn the company that we started was literally
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two blocks that way i realized some of my first time here in several years. so yeah, no, i think they -- yeah they did do well. they're still there actually and they're what five or six years and so yeah they did do better than i did. retrospect all worried about monetary income then i should have gone to twitter. a better quality of life. but better quality of life. veiled stayed four year and then chewed up by the machine and would have been a very different outcome but this book wouldn't exist. [laughter] >> another one. >> the fact that -- [inaudible] what impact did that have on the startup -- >> maturing in what sense? >> facebook -- creating corporate environment and what does it do to move stay here -- >> it's a huge opportunity for startup people because they can
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eat their lunch. i mean, look at companies like what's up instagram and snapchat they created mobile user experiences and couldn't copy themselves. but they bought it eventually and senate snapchat and if they want to be bought out or whatever but it's nothing but opportunity. when had older generation dies it is usually a bigger opportunity for younger. >> oh, god no. well -- no i don't think so. funny because i thought this could be professional to say but way less negative than i thought. so like i guess i don't have to flee to spain i guess. so -- i guess i could i wanted to but see how long i can do this writer thing. [inaudible] >> so if you read to the end you know when the mother -- hate to be depressed thing i had a chapter on mother dying all weepy and shit and said you've
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gone from liar poker to angela depress the hell out of everybody. it is out of tone you have to kill the chapter. so massive mother dying thing so one line in epilogue. but in that experience i can tell you story now i guess because we have time. no when your mother dies, you know usual thing, misdiagnosed and then like unexpected stage four liver cancer you watch with her waste away and die over three months. people have had that experience if you spend time in the cancer ward and in count we are beyond maflt grave, and there was this experience in miami, but they have like a hallway in a circle where they try to get you know these poor dying cancer people to walk and you know move and get exercise. and you know, i was in like this haze of lack of sleep because you're taking tushes watching your mother, what whatever and hallucinated it, coming out i see a young dude that is like me, a guy is standardish, a little miami cuban 30 something, dark me basically.
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but he was in that ridiculous gown with little iv thing chugging along like a specter and for some reason i flash that scene and fight club. i'm sure everybody has seen fight club a scene where they drive into the wrong lane on highway and brad pitt asking if you were to die right now what would you most regret doing, and one i think is built a house and self-portrait and weak characteristic freaks out and kind of this lesson if you're confronted with death what would you regret doing, an so in that moment of feeling i was in headlights walking with along with this guy who is along in hallway. only two things i can think of is writing and publishing this book and other was actually finally realizing around world or across an ocean on a sailboat which is a dream i always had. when i was there i had two different ocean going sail boats that i worked on and prepared and then let rot at the dock because of this. right mayhem. and so i said that's it. it's not going to happen again no mart matter what it takes now
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that i've done item number one but now item number two. i had this other kid so who knows. but it is still going to be the top priority item. >> going sailing? >> no kid is not coming. the mother isn't a sailor so i don't think so. yeah. [inaudible] >> oh, that's ideal question. so there's this race called golden globe race and sailing history that's first time that a human sailed without stopping in the world held in 1968. and they're doing a redo in 2018 and i entered it and got accepted but i'm having second thoughts about it because it's in two years and i have to get boat to u.k., and this book is taking a huge amount of time. we'll see but even if i don't race but plan is there to sail into sidney head, where you're from. and either continue or sail back so -- well, oh. >> so what do you think about
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the future of silicon valley with our insane cost and -- >> i don't know. >> question above my -- >> haven't been here a while. >> high level and bernie sanders, something i think i quote in the book that mark has the famous quote in the future you either tell the computer what to do and computer tells you what to do. right, and if you look at things like i go to demo day which is where they pitch, an for a while maybe not so much anymore. but every company was basically coating somebody u out of a job like every single fucking one and using koatd to white out white collar. so people who are not going to have jobs in 20, 30 years and i don't know if you read that medium post that went viral about impact of driving. we're going to have self-drive cars in years and that is happening but turns out truck driving is one of the few jobs that a high school educated male in some five state with have a family and that job will go away.
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so is diner waitress an guy pumping gas and system around our truck driven economy that's going away. right and what happens when that happens? think we're seeing something weird now with trump and distress wait until 20 years from now and jobs are gone not just manufacturing jobs right and people are not thinking about that although people in silicon valley and experiment and so i think questions line that are really the deem questions that i think few people are thinking about. yeah. who else? we've got time. ask me anything. [inaudible] oh, yeah, so funny i surprise nobody trailed me here -- the negative feedback tends to be a few flavors. usually test massageny thing because they think it's a sexist book but that's a rabbit hole we don't need to go down unless somebody wantses me to talk about. which i'm happy to as long as no one vorring.
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but other thing is that it's weird. i think that they don't realize like they like either the tone or the negativity or the general kind of ass hole narrator at some degree was me. they don't dislike me or the book but silicon valley. i just portrayed it accurately. everyone who is insider including you have said this is awesome, in fact, not so awesome i have ptsb flashback like opening scene for world war ii veteran they're like here's a bullet and they're there again and people saying i read your bock and it stressed me out so much because it reminded me of random bull shit x like mine, and so insiders love it. but i think a lot of outsiders hate it because they've got this like beautiful varnished image of how silicon valley works. they buy the narrative fallacy they see through on the cover of fortune and manage proud visionary and accident cushion and project fit and it is
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wonderful and so they read this feel like they got dissieved no this is how it is. you don't realized it. so yeah a lot of people who are i'm a marketing professor dinged it for being negative or something, and it's like dude -- dude a lot of negative almost all of the negative feedback has been from total silicon valley outsiders. i have yet to be yet serious trolley from silicon valley resident. [inaudible] >> empire -- no. >> should read that? >> okay. from nbc -- yeah. bc i don't know if we should name them. he did in publish book bill thai in the book was positive on it. chris sacca i'm sure he's not here he was not positive but not on great speaking terms, so whatever. but i sent him a copy of the book and i haven't heard become. one guy mentioned the book that i dumped on a little bit. but he responded and was offensive but ultimately he finished it.
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but yeah. [inaudible] >> oh, no of course not they would have never cleared this. [inaudible] >> so it's noneny and this will be a horrible gateway drug they shouldn't say. but turns out mba are insider trading like we use terms loosely but they cover -- don't cover very much. but they literally cover a document that you have u off cfo desk and that is what it covers like your personal politic or recollections are not covered by that at all. if anything is known to the public which doesn't mean anyone on street knows. but in some way it was announced in public including awflg this data matching by the way is totally public. nobody knows about it is not covered under mda if any company partner knows about it someone outside o of the barrier has been told about it. it's also not confidential. right, so yeah, at the end of the nothing that was confidential and good thing is for all of the problems this
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country might have it still has freedom of speech and we have really weak liable laws fortunately which means that truth is always defense and you'll note any scene in which i'm saying something dodgy about somebody it is in a meeting or always in an e-mail always discovered under subpoena or deposition and say yep that guy said that, and done. you can get away with a lot more than you think actually. only one with who did the name my name were in some slightly compromised opinion because i didn't want to make them public. >> in my circle know who is they are but didn't want it a public thing so women have pseudonym but everyone else is named by name. i did call british trader that she was getting mentioned. but they were both pretty cool
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with it and i know both of them. i knew that they wouldn't really care so that was fine. yeah. >> hi my husbanding drayed me out here kicking and screaming from south florida. so i like to know why this place out here doesn't have a cool art scene like miami. >> funny because if you have -- said it 20 years what, but miami does have a cool art scene. i was there to winwood now called winwood and used to be overtown and used to be most hideous place in the world and way cooler than it is now. and -- you know, i've made gross generallyization so i'll say it. i think look at mountain view. look at palo alto. we're living in the era of our time. this is equivalent of florence, during time of leonardo and when you look around does it seem like a cull clur that invest in architecture or land, long standing notion of itself? no of course not.
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right, at the past or new york. every public building there. every school, hospital is named after rich douche bag who decided to have sins of soul or compete for social prestige. but nonetheless he funded this hospital. somehow i've never walk intd a google hospital and and exceptions both puntedded hospitals that's that they did that but in general notion of giving back is funding startup which is a way of giving back but not building library in every town like he did. you go around beautiful libraries you will ever see is carnegie libraries and that's what educated a whole generation and somehow he just -- that feeling of giving become or feeling of civil debt or like we want to invest in city does not exist because nobody cares. and i don't know that deep reason. but that's just feeling that i get.
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they're not michael angelo -- right there are sections. >> sure -- sure. sure. you're exceptions. yeah. [inaudible] yeah, yeah. you're right. from a different era that's right. but obviously exceptions but broadly i don't know that that's true. anything else?
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the signing, sorry. >> no. >> as a gift. >> there is a gift. for you and your baby. >> my god so nice of you. so great. >> i want to thank everyone for coming tonight to support the store and -- [applause] >> antonio, thank you. >> thank you for having me. the biggest crowd i ever had. >> i so appreciate it. his book is available for purchase at the back of the store. some people walked in with their copies, so he'll be happy to sign those as well. >> cool.


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