Book Discussion on The Way Forward CSPAN October 15, 2016 10:15am-11:01am EDT
the american idea? >> it's a way of life . and it's a way of life that has been brought to life by some critical ideas and principles that the founded this country in a nutshell it's this idea that the condition of your birth does not determine the outcome of your life in this country. that no matter who you are or where you come from or how you got started, you can make it in this country. it's the land of opportunity. and it's a country that was built on an idea where our rights are ours naturally and then our government is designed to protect those right it is that we can live in freedom. and find opportunity and prosperity. no other system is quite like this one. no other country was created on an idea like this one. and the reason for writing the book in a nutshell is because a lot of people don't see it. they don't think it's there for them. they are worried that it is not
going to be there for their kids or grandkids, and so if you don't like the direction the country is going which we don't -- or the policies that are in place and governorring philosophy in which we think is crowding it out, displacing it. then as leaders we should offer a different way forward that's why i decided to do that. because the whole point of this is the american idea and maintaining that legacy of each generation securing it for the next generation like our if parents did for us. [applause] >> and that is without get something we subscribe to at the same time, there are a lot of people who would say that american idea has not worked for them or for their life. there are a lot of people in this country who are poor. a lot of people in the middle-class saying it is harder and harder to make ends meet and look around them and they watch tv and see rich and payments doing extraordinary things they can't afford and why is it so
many are doing so much better an i'm not doing as well as i could? how do you deal with this growing income in equality, wealth inequality and issue of poverty you spent some time really looking at poverty in a novel way. and your book describes that. but give us your thoughts on dealing with if you will the income gap, the wealth gap and extent of poverty in this country. >> this is something i talk a great deal about in the book. my friend sitting with us tonight because of the last couple of years we've been touring around america. meeting with people who are trying triumphing over these different circumstances who are fighting poverty, eye to eye soul to soul, person to person doing it very successfully and incredible stories they tell in this book about that. : now, to your bigser questions there are a couple of ways of looking at this. you can look at the status quo which is as you just described it, in a lot of people toangt think that that opportunity is
there for them. they're trapped in generational poverty. or they're in a situational poverty or middle income person you know running hard on hamster wheel and just not getting ahead. and so what kind of an agenda and what kind of principles do you need to reiging night this opportunity, upper mobility economic growth a healthy economy, and if i go through all of that. but at the end of the day i would say with respect to poverty in particular, we're at the 50th anniversary on the war on poverty. we spent trillions on this. just from the federal government and we have high pest poverty rate in the generation. deep poverty is highest since we've been recording it. and i think you could -- easily argue that success in this poverty about that measured based on input. how much money are we spending and how many programs are we creating? not fun result it is not on outcomes. how many people are actually getting out of the poverty? how many people are finding that american dream and how many people are actually getting from where they are to where they want to be in life?
and i think that requires a systemic review and overall of our approach to fighting poverty and it means that government needs to be respectful of civil society of our communities of those who are actually doing a good job of fighting poverty and federal government needs to play a more significant role in the lines and not the front lines. in so many ways federal government displacing great things that are actually happening in or communities that can really bring people together, stop isolating people and get them out of poverty and so many ways the casualty on war on poverty is it is told that. i'm an american taxpayer this is government's job. pay your taxes, we'll take care of it. that's not true. it doesn't work like that. everybody needs to get involved. people with faith, people without faith, with money, time, love, with whatever, and reintegrate and bring people back together in our society so a series of what i've called for and i'm not one who i think i
have it all figured out if believe me it is a very hum publicking thing to do to look into and research this. but i want to get this conversation started. because if all we do is measure it based on input and talk about status quo then we will never have the kind of conversation therefore in remple to actually break this cycle of poverty and sort of manage it actually solve it and it also means strong healthy growing economy and the policy it is in place today based upon the philosophy of governing that is in government today is holding people back. it is hurting economic growth. it looks at the economic fie of life as some fixed static thing and that temperatures the government's job to redistribute it when our goal ought to be the grow the fie for everybody. remove barriering so people can blossom and flourish and really have a strong growing economy. so -- [applause] i won't go through the whole book tonight but basically what
i try to do is articulate core principle and policies that flow from that to reignite this american idea. because i really do feel it is underduress and we're going in the wrong path but the good news in this story and i tell stories of her are irk americans from all parts of this country that have done incredible things, the seeds are there. that the comeback is there. we can have this comeback in this country. we have to get a few basic things right. and i have every bit of confidence we can turn things around and get ourselves and our country back on the right track. >> now, paul -- [applause] you -- for those that have read the book you recognize that paul contrast two cities, detroit, and janesville i would expect a detroit in chicago to be a more natural comparison. i grew up in detroit. and big red wing, couple of detroiters here. red wings fan, your black hawk
fan -- oh, yeah. big rivalry, great, great fun thoughts we -- those were terrific times and city they were competitive in some respect. i'm talking about in 1950s and 1960s, and yet chicago look what it's become. look 59d city and that hub that it is of activity and industry and innovation and technology. and detroit has suffered and you describe in some it will what's happen 2-d to detroit. and you contrast not chicago and detroit but janesville where you grew up and continued to go through tough times but you compare them. what happened to detroit? why has it -- gone through what it's gone through? and how does that con trays with janesville or chicago ore other places in america that went through tough times but found a way out? >> so it's a complicated story and it's one that comparisons
aren't easy. but i think this story of detroit is a cautionary tale for the country because if you go back and look and do a fiscal autopsy on detroit and see the failures that have occurred, it's because of poor leadership and bad government it's because of taxing and borrowing and spensding and passing buck on to the point where they actually went bankrupt where they couldn't afford police force and couldn't afford the fire department and kids and schools are getting the worst dismoars scores in the country and cautionary tale of what i would call a philosophy of governorring if we play that out throughout our country or federal government we'll have a similar ending. and the other side of the detroit story is the comeback that we hope is coming. and the seeds that have been planting of the cornerstone school of what dan gilbert so doing there, and homes are doing there. what citizens in civil society are taking -- matters into their own hands to regenerate in community and
reforms they're having. it's a if tale of what america could become if we go the wrong drerkt direction but also what detroit can be if we apply a right if idea and principle and growing up in janesville we live on the same block i grew up on. as you know i have a big extended irish catholic family and a ryan is here. these are only three rinse i'm related to. [laughter] but -- don't question all, right? janesville was one of those communities that were john and i grew up. that it is there for people when they fall down. the tear, alliance, optimist, catholic churches, lutheran all of the social groups in the civil society, u you know, we had a hard knock in our family,
and my mom and my grandmother and i went through some difficult challenges and times, and but for janesville, our community and not just our friends and relatives but people we didn't even know who came together and really helped make a difference and then getting involved in this community and seeing what it does to support people when we lost our general motors plant we lived it two hours outside of the loop here. when we lost that plant, it was a huge punch to the stomach. i mean hundreds of millions of dollars of payroll into a town of $60,000. excuse me to a town of $60,000 people. a lot of my buddies from high school a lot of the people john graduated with worked there and fought like parents and had same, job, career for their life and made a good live, gone, and to see the kind of economic havoc that it rigd on our town but to see it come together and pull people up. so we have had a ways to go but to see healing and see how people help each other, it gives
me a perfect story of that middle space between ourselves and our government is which is where we live our lives where we commonly call civil society which is what lexington wrote so brilliant by about customer whis this unique fabric of life that question need to sustain and revitalize if question get this country back on its track. so people asked me why i believe and why i am, it is because where i come from and my family and because of my community. >> you call that social capitalist. what is state of the social capital and regenerate the social capital that thought was so unique about this country? >> that is why i do discuss of downside of liberal progressive sm which i believe is a principle of governing with no limit. and what it does is it seems to fix every problem with a large centralize government solution which ends up displacing crowding out the civil society of social capital.
i quote people who -- have been reading and tracking social capital for a long time. bowling alone is a fantastic bock that bob putnam wrote about harvard economist and quick story is it is shrinking. we're not spending our lives together as the much anymore. we're not engaged in our communities anymore we're bowling alone. and this is something that has to be revitalized as we revitalize with economic growth, it has to be revitalized with bottom up economic growth that provides jobs and growth and everywhere. but a also has to be revitalized to our culture and communities where people have to understand that they themselves have to get involved. and then government has to respect its limits so that that can mature and occur and to me is how you revitalize capitol don't discourage it. "don't ask, don'tdon't overpowet me is critical secret sauce of american life of the american
idea that has to be revitalized by each and every one of us in our communities and government has to respect its limits and focus on doing what it is supposed to do and well so we can maximize and increase our social capital. [applause] >> now, let me turn to a topic that i know is not about one that you spent a lot of time thinking about. and that is national ballot sheet and income statement. [laughter] you know, a lot of people looked at bowl simpson and work done by this commission aside they laid out a plan and you were part of that effort. they laid out a plan to try and reign in the excess in washington. and i don't know that anybody would agree with 100% of what came out of the commission and you agreed with parts and not with others of course is didn't deal request entitlement but should have been part of that discussion but nevertheless it was i think in the view of a lot of people a wonderful starting
point for the president to say look this is a bipartisan commission. it has -- it has taken apart the federal budget and looked forward given demographic trends and financial trends in this krkt. and it laid out a pathway to get back to -- if you will stability such that we doapght have to worry about a future where we might not be able to count on social security and might not be able to count on medicare and medicaid might not be able to count on a military that was send to none in the world, and if the president didn't pick it up. didn't touch it and you were there. what happened, why -- why did nothing come from that extraordinary effort which got so much, you know, fanfare and enthusiasm has it was begun and it has it was released and just nothing. what happened? >> so -- as we put it together, alices and i teamed up to have a amendment to both simpson to do medicare, medicare reform
because that is bigger driver of our dealt health care entitlement and budget director and we put this ryan plan together as an amendment. which had that occurred i would have been very, you know, i would have thought this was a complete package. it was rejected by the elected democrats in the commission. i was also worried about the deep cuts in defense that was in it. so that way i looked at simpson is there's a lot of good work here and i'm going to take thed good work here and i'm going to add ryan what i would do differently on defense and taxes and i'm going to introduce that and pass it through house of representatives which i did is past four years in a row and balance a budget and pay down the debt. [applause] before you go on -- before you go on i want to underscore something that paul just said and that is that the house passes important legislation.
that republicans are not the party of know. the house has been if passing legislation, your road map has been passed. and it deals with entitlement reform and getting our country on a stable fiscal footing and yet it doesn't get picked up by is the senate and, of course, not picked up by the the white house. so -- the idea that ours is the parties of know is simply wrong. hours is a party of which is passing legislation and putting that forward in the senate harry reid doesn't take it up and if people want to see action in this country and dealing with problems from education, to hock, to immigration, to our fiscal needs, tax reform if peoplement to see those things happen, they're going to have to vote for republican senators and ultimately american president as well. [applause] flesh please. so, i have enormous respect for both guy, and the thinking at
the time was here are numerical bench fronts to pass any budget plan to stabilize our if fiscal situation. i didn't like some parts of what they did and i thought it was missing a lot, so we put our own together and passed exceeded those bench marks. we had assumed that president would do the same that if he didn't like bowel simpson he would put his plan out there meeting if berchg marks to stabilize fiscal situation. and he chose not to do that either. bowl simpson set up by executive odd per so we really did expect him once we decided not to support it. house republicans and go do our thing we thought he would have triking a lated it by bill clinton did for the fake of 2012 and surrounded and support it. and demagogue what we were doing and did not offer a credible fiscal alternative that met anywhere close to bench major of both simpson and we have this fiscal problem moving over us.
why is that, look you have to ask him but personal theory is -- ideology. my -- i write about this in the book at a particular moment where it was clear that what situation was being made and i just think it was more of an ideological -- interest that was in front and center of his mind versus something that was more moderate or -- moderate seeming and i just believe at that moment when he decided noted to do bowel simpson to demagogue republican and not offer a credible alternative that that was really what this administration was about. that's when i concluded we need a new president to fix this mess. rk you might describe that. i agree. [laughter] you might describe what -- how it was unveiled to you. your experience in that -- >> a front row seat to it. >> i think it's a personal story which is interesting and you have to make a decision about -- whether or not to remain.
>> yeah, so the three house trms were myself jeb and dave, and the budget guy who were on simpson and the white house invited us to a budget speech that the president was going to give. and all of the media was coming up to us a day or two before hand thinking i hear he's going to do social security for me. hear he's going to do olive branch to you guys and do something to reemp out to you guys so conditioned in thinking oh, he went pretty far left on all of the other issues but maybe on fiscal issue move to the middle and triking a late when we thought simpson and everybody frels the commission that he was going to embrace bowl simpson and we figured that that would happen. we had that front seat and he was silting between closer to that -- that beam that column and myself 20 feet away. giving a speech, basically calling for another round of 400 billion in defense cuts on top of what they had already done which was a budget driven 12r59 ji not a strategy driven budget for defense which -- thought was rather odd but then
he pursued to absolutely dem goght work that we had been doing not about bowl simpson buts very clear to me that the demagoguery coming out of the speech was aimed at doubling town and going hard left, hit the fence, raise taxes go after republicans. and that is when i realized it is not a compromiser and somebody to move to the middle, and we got a text from one of our colleagues watching it and in tv saying you should is leave right now. we looked at it and question discussed it and we just said out of respect for the the assertion of the presidency that question we wouldn't even though it was over the pail and we got up and left afterwards and then did a press conference. [laughter] >> i see almost out of time with me asking questions. lets me ask -- one more here and then let you ask one or two if you'd like and i happen to think that president hasn't been a successful --
[inaudible] [laughter] that is apparent lit understatement of the evening and it put aside foreign policy for a moment where his -- where his failures have been most glaring recently but nest tickly an arm this week in "the wall street journal" by phil graham former united states senator as you know who calculated what america would be like the recovery were like other post war roifers and he calculates that there would be approximately 14 million more americans working. enper capita income in this country would be $6,000 higher. that is dramatic difference between president record and what he campaigned on. president said he would bring america together. we'd be unified at a post partisan -- presidency with reach out across the aisle and so forth.
and these things have not succeeded. again, and -- i wonder why. from your perpghtive i have my own views, of course, from your perspective why has president failed to unite us and work across the aisle failed to get this economy going? on the kind of time frames it's going to come back and private sector will fight its way through almost arching find a way. that's what our innovator and people do. but it is taken a long time and if i wonder from your perspective why has it been so unsuccessful and taken so long? for people to get jobs and high per incomes? and for there to be the kind of unity that president campaigned on? >> so that calculation was worst post war recovery we've had and just at the average of the prior ten recoveries from recession since world war ii it would have had those metrics. there's one point that i think is important to make and i try to make this in the book it is
not just president -- as if we get another person whoever it is all going to be better. it's the philosophy of governing and it's the policies pursued by this administration so for government i believe we wold would have had those kinds of recovery. so if you take a look at just the enormous amount of uncertainty plaguing businesses with a hyperregulatory state that's occurring. one you have our great chiefs in wisconsin is canceled for production this year because of fear the new fda regulations and that's -- pretty personally at home -- [inaudible] but -- >> she said veteran concerned. and passed uncertainty. higher taxes, the federal reserve is out there you know priming the punch which is produced with savage savers in this country and money is not getting to small businesses. credit is slow for small businesses. dot frank makes big banks bigger and few banks fewer and you have obamacare putting incredible
amount of uncertainty with that looming employer mandate hanging the there so fool aren't getting hired there to and the e quilt of 2 and a half million people won't work because of the disincentive to work of obama sorry so you have taxes, you ever regulations, you have the fact that debt is 17 trillion dollars and growing and no reduction in sight coming. and i think you have a political l -- which opportunity seek to bridge differences but seeks to sort of basically pulverize and intimidate anded divide people and prey on emotion and pern anxiety very suggestion an aspirational political system that speaks to people with ideas, that is unifying people based on aspiration and hope and opportunity. ronald reagan did it right in 19890 this can be done again. but i do believe the it's the philosophy of goran governing
that's employed and would keep these things going and it's this philosophy and the policy that glow from it that basically believes that question need to delegate our power and decision making to bureaucracies to -- run our lives effectively to micromanage the economy and it doesn't work the whole idea of this country is self-government under rule of law an we're not seeing self-government or equal application of the rule of law an private sector is shrinking as a result of it or o meeting its potential as a result? [applause] you and i have had fantastic questions over the last few yieshes on a lot of issues but issue that we haven't discussed yet that we have discussed if a bit so foreign policy. we see things very is similarly in the world for our defense
program and just is the state of things now. coif two questions stoipt ask you first give assessment of not just the obama foreign policy but of america foreign policy. tell us what you think where we are and what we ought to be doing differently. >> big topics and i know you have questions from the audience so i'm not going to take much time on this. but -- we have had a foreign policy as a nation. frankly since truman. who after the second world war said look we've gotten dragged in to all awful things as worldd as a nation. and for that to not happen in the future again and again and again we have to adopt a series of policies and dean atchison secretary of the state said present at creation. the creation of a foreign policy basis of america foreign policy ever since. and that -- that book basically says a few thingses that were fundamental. one is that we would be involved in the world. that doesn't just mean with guns
that means with diplomacy, with our economy, we would promote our values and our io dealing that's a second point that american principles of freedom and free enterprise that these things promoted around the world. and that the combination of being involved in the world promolting our values and then linking our armies with our allies being strong, and having a strong military those three things being involved promoting our values and being strong and doing so with our allies that's been foundation of our foreign policy. the president campaign and as adopted it a very different foreign policy. hillary clinton said something different as you know critical of the president foreign policy and bairveg f basically said hep doesn't have one. i used to say during the campaign but he does have a foreign pals and it is very different from that truman and every president since truman has followed and his foreign policy is one based on view that everybody -- has the same interests. and all wants the same thing.
and i don't believe that. pibal some people want to dmiement and oppress other people. want to take over other nations there are people that are fund mentally evil and smfl them on tv this week. so one that premise was wrong in my view. number two he looked at vladimir putin and said we'll have a reset. hillary clinton tries to distance herself from foreign policy of the president. that qowld work better where she not secretary of state for four years. [laughter] [applause] but she was one with a russian foreign minister with a big button reset. what big smile. can you imagine such a thing? did they not understand that people have very different objectives. vladimir puppetten objective may be as george said the other day to rebuild the russian empire. that this is -- those mistakes combined with the some other tactical mistakes in syria for instance.
to draw redline and then say gosh, i guess i can't, i can't react without getting congress's approval oh, bow right right now nonetheless couldn't do. then. and then steps back from the redline all together to send a mnldz to racial and others in the world that have been extraordinary unfortunate for merck. so we've seen explosion of very 3w5d things throughout world. one more l. our foreign policy is dramatic reduction in our military capability and there's a quadrant review that was recently completed and then reported on by a commission including president clinton's department defense secretary. just take a gander at that and see our navy and air force and our army and what's happening to our nuclear capable and that said to other nations guess what, america is not here and we're down there. america is going to be going there. we can compete and comien is
investing enormously in a military including deep water navy and russia is investing in military capabilities and so other nation as well that are expanding their military might, and am bigs. i happen to think that president's policies, this going out with a personal charm offense, and believes they all want the same thing and polar world is the way to go. who else besides us? if it's a multipolar military world, are the others russia and china? is that what we want to see? if i believe in having a american -- economy an american diplomacy, an american military so strong that no one in the world would ever think of testing us and that -- [applause]
so is good republican i'm frowtd to say i'd like to return to principle of harry truman. i like to once -- once again say that we will be involved in the world. it is important to be involved in the world. to keep bad flings happening. we had intelligence telling us that isis was being formed that it might come into iraq and attack a city there. what do we do? what did the president do watch? as it spread across iraq now it is difficult to full it out. it's important to full it out. this kind of group having a base throughout the event would be -- a terrible -- conclusion for the world and for us. so i return the idea of being involved in the world and not fulling back saying we hope bad thing won't happen to us that's like paying cannibal to eat you last as churchill said. we have to be involved and help it is shape you we're the leader of the free world and then number two, we're involved in the world we're going to promote value free enterprise.
human rights, dignity and then finally we're going to be strong. we're going to have a military that's strong, and we're going throing arms with our allies we're going to stand request israel and not waffle about whoing our friends and who's not. [applause] i think you have to see that for america's security. for our safety, for our confidence that our children will live in freedom and have prosperity, we have to have that as our foreign policy. foreign policy and domestic policy are inextraably linked you keapght have one without the other, they have to work together and i think so that president has been ineffective in both areas as you might imagine. i mean, i wasn't expecting that i would love his seconds term but i've been more disappointed than i had expected but i'm hopeful that we'll be sflt in electing more good colleagues like you fall that more people will read your bock and will end up being able to pass
legislation to get into president's desk ultimately take a new direction. america needs real leadership. it's very much needed. [applause] >> and our obvious goal to build a coalition to do just that. i have one last question before we go to the audience an important one. pretty easy to answer for any perspective, if you had to decide, would you choose and select peppers or aaron. >> peppers, of course. [laughter] >> hey, there's a packer fan. >> black hawks and cubs guys. >> okay now ready for the questions i received cards from 14,000 people. i don't know how that happened there are only 450 in the room.
but we screen them quickly. what does status of immigration reform in the house is there the possibility for compromise between the house and the senate? >> i don't think there is right now. i think part of the problem is the administration has decided to go outside the purview of the law in so many different areas you currently have a crisis on border. three weeks ago the house passed legislation that deal request that. but legislation to deal with trafficking law that needs to be amend. legislation to do with problems securing border we have heard nothing from the senate yet. so while we have a border crisis right now, a humanitarian crisis that needs to be attended to, that is really first thing first. if the president goes it alone again with his phone and pen routine and tries to unilaterally write laws by changing immigration laws, which is beyond the purview of the executive branch's power that's about the legislative branch
power and if he does that he'll poison and make it far, far more difficult as a person who writes about it specifically what i think we ought to do in the book as a person supportive of immigration reform i hope he doesn't go at it alone and i home he sticks within confines of the law, confidence building, fix the border, crisis right now, and then maybe we can start talking. but that's not, a long ways from that right now. >> thank you, next question is, so now what do we do on health care? >> well, how much time do you have? i'll be brief. we want a system where everybody can have access to affordable health care including every personal preexisting conditions, and we can have that system without a costly government takeover. we can have that system which is a patient centered system who each of us as patients are the nucleus of that system and all of the health care providers out
there, doctors, hospitals, nursing home, insurance companies competing for our business, it's called a market based system and the reason i can see you so well i had lasic srk 14 years ago it was elective and now that surgery is half as much as the cost if 14 years ago and three times as good so not as if these great principle of choice and competition of quality, are immune to the health care system it's that they haven't been fully applied to the health care system. and so i put in the book in great detail what kind of a patient center system we ought to go to and this is for all of these programs. medicare, medicaid we need a individual based patient centered where we eemp collaborate and serve each other and providers have incentive to innovate and create that's the kind of system we need to replace obamacare that will collapse under weight in my opinion. >> thank you.
thank you. sorry you can see me more clearly. i apologize. how two of you manage to maintain your sanity but fall on terrible things said about you during the campaign. >> mitt you want to go first? [laughter] >> more terrible things were said about me than him. i actually got some good advice when if i was running for governor in massachusetts. the political strategist that i hired said he had a couple of rules. one of them was this. that i was not allowed to read the paper as it remitted to my campaign. i, of course, can read if other things but no article about the campaign at all the. and he said you can watch tv, he said because we'll win on tv. but he's -- i said well i want to read these articles he said no. because you're going to have some 22-year-old fern who -- person who writes an article and you mean find yourself sub consciencely referencing or refuting all day long offmnldz
so i don't you to read these articles it was great advice. i did not see all of the awful stuff that was said about me. letter in presidential campaign we were working paul and i, i mean, it was early in the morning. event after event after event, and late at night. and a lot of fundraising, a lot of rallies, it's exhilarating i should tell you at end of the day fall into bed. you can't go to sleep at the end of the day. you have so much energy. we'll have a crowd of 20,000 people cheering and cheering and it's like boy, this is important, it is great, and at the end of the day thank heaven for gidon and bibles iftion ready to read that to go to sleep. [laughter] it's -- a marvelous experience particularly if you don't spend a lot of time worried about attacks that come your way. harder on the family but frankly you're in it buzz you care about this country desperately care about america, and if you're worried about what people say, why you shouldn't get in the race. paul.
>> same thing you have to be thick skin but not change who you are. stay the same person you are, don't let it get to you if you believe what you're doing don't worry about it and don't worry about the rest. how about your families how do they handle it? >> my kids were pretty young so everyone treated them well. media treated them well. obamacare you know they were offlimited and that was respected. and my wife you know she did you want like the krit schism i get. so she also learned how to grow thick skin as well in these things, and both of our wives they're strong women. very smart, intelligent strong women. who understood that stakes for the country so they were able to see it through as well. >> this is interesting. do you think that a four-year college is necessary to get out of poverty and is et debt worth the payoff? >> no and it depends. it's not necessary -- job training reform skill is and it is essential.
i go through a great detail on how that ought to happen to bridge this skill it is gap. we don't have to emphasize it as much as we have, we have to make it cool again that it's okay to get a welding degree and go to two years ago and high value skills to give you a gootdz livelihood and on -- on college tuition tin flags with feeding the beast with more and more spepsding in one pocket out the other you will just feed tuition inflation. we need to flatten this. we need to go through cause inflation and accreditation reform is necessary. that we have real competition against the brick and ivy. we all went to one of them. but let's look at the effective new innovative society and let's have more competition so that a person who may be, you know, note able to go to a college, but can do it online and then get their map -- their manhattan course from
m.i.t. and engineering from university of wisconsin, and bundle and put them together. aloe these new and innovative things to happen and take down the barriers to entry that are erected against innovate i-ideas that are out there to allow people to excel at education and flatten the cost. we need more competition. we need less barriers. and that to me is one of the ways we get at the root cause of collision tuition along with transparency just is like health caring. does this agree, get me where i want to go? what is the success rate just is like health care? give me the data on quality on outcome. so that i know before going in what i can expect and i want these people, these health care workers and these peght tores competing against each other for my business based on jots come. value, do i get a good job and get a good salary? am i educated in this? make them compete and right now they're not.
[applause] >> one more question because after this, probably the most important thing that these two fine gentleman are going to do is participate in a cold water plunge. [laughter] so i can't wait to see that. that will be -- incredible. >> i'm plungee and he's the plunger. >> my daughter dumped a buckets of water on my head. >> last question. do you think that children in illinois expands that to mean most states where the supplies. who i raise by gi and lesbian parents are better protected more likely to lead happier lifer it live it is now that the sexual marriage act is legal if in illinois? >> i don't think the illinois act. but if there's a child that is
an orphan that is want toed, adopted finds of home of loving parents that is child that is no longer homeless. well i can't thank you enough. good questions actually not a bad question coming from you to hem. pretty good ones. [laughter] so again many thanks to all of you for coming today just one -- request and that is that you kind of clear this aisle because actually the two of them have to get to a press conference and rather quickly. so we have a -- route walk and if you could help clear the aisle and let them get through that would be much appreciated . >> thank you. [applause] thank you very much. [applause]
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updates. now, we're going to kick off the festival request author beth macey. she tells the story of jorge and willy muse. they were two african-american brothers who were kidnapped and forced to perform in a circus in 1899. and it's about their mother as well who searched for them for over 28 years. this is live coverage of the southern book festival on booktv. alice carey as a reader ofbook page i read a lot of book and one of my favorite this is year is "true vine" it took 20 years to inearth this saga with feign staking research on multiple fronts to inearth as she writes to entang am industry of truth. ...