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it to be a really find such -- southern gentleman. there were some things that never changed. however, i try to look at every human being as i try to look at every creature on the planet. sme to great we work together now. i would have a very tough time with what's going on. but i will find common ground somehow. it's important to protect the wildlife of the world right now. and they have to do it as much for their kids in the generation that follows. i'm not to let these elephants go on my watch. [applause]. thank you very much for being here.
and doesn't look great for the environment. we have a president-elect who says that climate change is across from china. do you have any encouragement i don't think we can talk to this mean about anything. i don't know how you feel about that. i'm not the only one. we see that his appointed people in big oil fracking, quail we have made big progress in the past few years i imagine that some of that will continue but we have somebody who is really appointed everybody who doesn't believe in that. i just want encouragement sykes stop crying. >> i have a few days of crying.
it's a very good question. we can all cry in our beer forever or we can pick up and do something and find ways to work with it. i had been working with the environmental organization for 50 years now. we've always been working on our own for a long time. working to continue. and i have to say it's all about finding best practices in sustainability together. the market will take care of the whole business with oil in drilling. it will not become sustainable for them to keep oil into drilling when they have to meet the carbon tax or whatever is can be instituted were to need it to mitigate all of the missions that are coming out. i just spent a week on the pacific west coast on my book to her and i have to tell you
those coastal cities states are doing remarkable things. that's all we need to look at. california is almost 15% alternative energy right now. they are already making a profit on alternative energy. when i was speaking to microsoft in redmond. north of seattle all of those tech companies in silicon valley and in seattle are going green they bought up half of the stock of first solar. at the amount of energy they put out from their company is so great that they need to go green. this can be cost-effective.
that is what's gonna with to change the whole things. it will probably change it quicker than you think. because we live in a capitalist system. it will eventually balance out in the big drilling companies can't do it anymore. it's not going to be cost-effective. >> i think they want me to quit. please a round of applause. jane alexander. thank you very much. and again if you would like to have your book autographed please have to the left and past the elevators to the autographing area. thank you.
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degroot. [applause]. thank you very much. good evening. james carville his political savvy. that campaign was documented in the winning documentary. he have a large sign about the room that said the economy stupid. he is a contributor to cnn and fox. he is married to the political consultant. we are still right. they're so wrong. they update his number one new york times bestseller from 1996. they skewer the gop record
over the past 20 years. the living manifestation of a failed party. and judging from our comments you are in for a real non- sugarcoated book. so please join me in that. [applause]. thank you. it's really great to be here at the largest institution of higher education in the most diverse institute in the united states. welcome to the miami book fair. i loved college i really did.
the best four years of my life was spent as a sophomore at lsu. how many people are scared. how may people are very scared. see mike you're not scared enough. it's a disaster. it's a disaster. our president-elect doesn't know the first thing about the first thing. and you see his appointment that was being made today you should be scared. tell me something good. and i say i can't. and you know, what is the most amazing thing since the beginning of modern political party 1828 this is the first
>> to appoint outright antisemites to the office next of the president, but they don't have the authority of the will of the people. and that's the most sacred authority you can have in any democracy anywhere. and we, and we have the absolute responsibility to expose and educate the public as to what's going on. because they're getting ready to run roughshod. they may have the constitutional election to back out of nato and line up with putin, but they don't have the will of the
people. they don't have the will of the people. the democrats are going to win this election by two, two and a half million votes. not even particularly close. so they can invoke anything they want, and they're going to run roughshod over the supreme court, you just stand by. i don't have much that i can tell you, and we're being told, well, maybe he's moderate. oh, please. [laughter] he says i'm going to, i'm going to keep the good parts of obamacare and get rid of the bad parts. oh, really? why didn't somebody think of that before? [laughter] and write it down. well, look, he's shown some flexibility on obamacare, he's just going to give everybody everything they, you know? no!
so, and you would think, and people voted, two and a half million, we've had two successful democratic presidencies that sandwiched a disastrous republican presidency, and we're getting ready to have a disastrous republican presidency. he wants to go sleep in his own bed on the weekends. [laughter] he didn't know it's 24/7. [laughter] he didn't know the world don't go to sleep. he didn't know that when it's noon here, it's midnight somewhere else. he didn't know that sunday is just another day in the islamic world.
that's the president-elect by virtue of a quirk in the constitution. that's not the president-elect by virtue of the will of the people. understand that. understand that. and they say, well, you're just going to oppose because -- no, i'm opposing because the people demand it. they voted. they instructed us to oppose. that was the marching orders that we got on election night. no one has said that. and people say, well, you could imagine what people would be saying if the republicans won the popular vote but lost the electoral college. what's the matter, we can't talk? why'd they just get to complain? but they can't, i can't point that out? i'm being a sore loser if i say we won the election? if i point out correctly, if i point out correctly we actually picked up house seats, we
actually picked up senate seats, am i justing being a sore loserr am i telling the truth? somehow or another we're not allowed to tell the truth. but you -- and so then he comes and he tells -- and by the way, the people, and take no solace in this, the people that are going to get hurt the most are most of the people that i voted for, because they're going to get rid of their medicare, they're going to run roughshot over them. [applause] every lobbyist is going to go crazy, and do not fault temptation, because there they'e people, and they don't realize what's getting ready to happen. and it's getting ready to happen. they're going to drain the swamp. they've got lobbyists on every transition thing that you have. if you think, you think the swamp is the everglades -- [laughter] let me tell you, that's the
everglades and every swamp you ever heard of in your life put together. ever put together. and they're coming. then he was going to, like, he told these people -- and, understand, this man does not come to office with a list of policies. he he comes to office with a list of grievances of people we don't like. we don't like the liberals, you know, east coast, we don't like this, we don't like that, you know? and by the way, all you coastal elites, all the people that live in gazillion dollar high-rises here in florida, he's going to get you back. he's going to give a tax cut, he's going to get rid of the estate tax, he's really going to kill you, but he's going to fatten you up first. [laughter] the coastal elites are going to do great. they're going to do fine.
they're going to de-regulate the coastal elites that want to drill off of the coast of south florida. highball it, have at it, you'll do great. now, if you happen to live in a place like, well, like all the people in this room, that's subject to global warming, he'll probably get you at some point. that's how he's going to get the coastal elites back, he's going to flood you out. [laughter] i know, i shouldn't be joking about it, but what can you do? be all you good people cop out here -- come out here, i've got to give you something to laugh at. [laughter] but, you know, i, you know, and i did the book, i laid it out. people say, well, you know, you were wrong. republicans won. well, no, they didn't win, they
lost by two and a half million or 2.5 million, whatever it's going to turn out. [laughter] that's my phone. this is essentially where we are. if you look at any fact that you want -- and by the way, think about this. we have produced donald trump in a nation with under 5% unemployment, 2.9% growth, with shrinking deficits, with rising incomes. can you imagine what's going to happen in the future if we don't get ahold of this and get our message out and expose and educate people? can you imagine what this is? and now we're going to be told we've got to cut all these colleges. you know, we don't have the money, we've got to have money for tax cuts, we don't have money for education. all right? you can see it coming. paul ryan's already said we're going to reform medicare. you know what it means when they
tell you we're going to reform america? you know exactly what they mean. they're going to take the money from medicare and give it to their donors. you see this coming. you see all of this coming. what -- and if you ask me could hillary's campaign done this, could they have done that? yeah, you know? and we can second guess ourselves to death, i'll be glad to engage in, you know, second guessing or anything else. but at some point our own people didn't get out. at some point, you know -- now, again, we won, but we didn't get them out in florida like we needed to. and we're going to learn a lesson, a big lesson. this is going to be one giant civics lesson. and what it's, what it's going to bang into your held is elections have -- into your head
is elections have consequences. elections have consequences. elections have consequences. [applause] so the first part of educating yourself, i'm serious, i laid it right out in there. the facts, the time again and again and again what the growth rate is, what the unemployment rate is, what the economic statistics are, what the things that we have done. and what's really kind of odd at the moment that, you know, we had under a democratic president we're taking this country back from the depths of a depression, a near depression, the worst recession we've ever had, put 20 million more people on health insurance, we got out of wars that we were in, and and we were -- you would never know it reading the paper -- doing pretty good in the fight against isis.
we had entered, we had started to acknowledge our problems with climate. we had started internationally -- we're out of all of those. we're out of all of those. and so what is our role as democrats? our role is this, we have to expose, let the public know when they're ripping and running, let the public know what the effect of what they're trying to do and educate people and be relentless about it. be relentless about it. and, again, go back to my question i asked you before. when people say could you imagine the reaction if the republicans would have won the popular vote but not the electoral college? when's the last time you heard a democrat raise hell about that? [laughter] think about that. but we won it six out of the last seven times. the public has said we want the united states to make supreme
court appointments. you know what they're going to get? run over. what have we learned from this? we learned if -- we should have known before, but we didn't -- can't let it happen again. people are going to get a civics education. this country is going to get the best ninth grade civics education that it ever got in its life. [laughter] i promise you that. i promise you that. in every appointment he makes, everything that he does, expose and educate. expose and educate. expose and educate. that's what we have to do. that's our mission. that's the job ahead. and also when i say educate, educate yourself. be informed. fight this battle everywhere that you can. fight it in the neighborhoods, fight it on the street, fight
any place that you see, on the campuses wherever they are. because this is a time, a very perilous time for the united states. we are being led by a person that knows nothing, who is surrounded by people who have an agenda that is contrary to is the interests of what we believe in. and every person in here that believes in pluralism, every person in here that believes in science, in facts, in knowledge, we have to band together. this man is an affront to the concept of american blurrism. s -- pluralism. it is an affront to the concept of -- you would think if you watched "animal house" and you saw the dean, what did it say on the statue? knowledge is good. well, it's no longer good. it's not good to know stuff anymore.
but this is what this is. and there are people in this country that fervently believe in pluralism, that fervently believe that we are better when we have a pluralistic, diverse country of different people and who believe that knowledge is the basis of good public policy, we're in the fight of our lives. we're in the fight of our lives. we can't deny it, we can't sugar coat it, we can't gloss over it. and if you don't accept those two values, then you're not in a fight. if you accept those two values, which i think it's the very core of what modern america should be, let's get together and let's fight like hell, let's expose, let's educate. thank y'all very much. ms. -- [applause]
okay, now i'm going to make an announcement. this is an institute of higher education. the first amendment applies. free speech is here. however, if you're going to give a speech and not ask a question, just let us know, all right? [laughter] just say i got this microphone, and i'm not from wisconsin, but i'm going to milk it for all it's worth. [laughter] >> okay. >> okay? >> okay. so what can we do with the two million extra popular votes? can we trade them for a seat on the supreme court? [laughter] what can we do with them? >> well, you can blow your nose with them. what you can do is tell -- is make the moral case that it gives us a moral case to resist. that's what you to with it. you take it to the higher ground, and you tell people that they're ignoring your vote. you tell people that when we oppose and we're not doing this just for the sake of doing it, we're doing it because we have
been instructed by voters to do this. when you have the high ground, take it. we have the high ground. thank you. very good. and it was a question, and i appreciate that. [laughter] >> hello. honored to see you. i'm a bernie delegate, and i was just wondering how you think the bernie candidate -- candidacy would have looked like and what would have happened, how would it have gone? >> you know, truth of the matter is i don't know, and anybody that supposes they should have, but i would think that any sane person, the prospect of a trump presidency should scared the bejesus out of them. and i just don't really -- you were for bernie in the primaries? that's your right. he's -- that's good. he had a case to make. but what is happening here is an outrage, and i don't know if bernie would have run, if joe biden would have run, if elizabeth warren would have run, you know, the truth of the matter is we had a choice, and
two and a half million more people or somewhere between two and two and a half million more people voted for us than them. and we have, regardless of what we are, we have an obligation to to oppose this, to expose it and to educate people. >> if he ran again, would you see him having a chance in 2020? i'm hearing rumors of that. >> you know, right now i've got a lot to do between now and 2020. [laughter] >> to fight the good fight, we need a good leader. who would you like to see heading up the dnc and why? [applause] >> you know, i mean, donna brazile is like my bosom bff. i mean, i like -- i love donna. >> i like her too. >> i don't -- the dnc will have to make its own kind of pick. i've never been that involved in dnc politics. i'm trying to raise money and trying to work with different groups that are, again, trying to get at the bottom of what they're trying to do and let people know about it.
and i hope we get a dnc that will do what i want them to do, and that's expose and educate. but right now, i mean, i don't mean to be -- i've just never been involved in dnc politics. it's just not something, you know, i've written books and i've tried to educate democrats under what we have. i know if keith ellison, i've met keith before, he's a very nice guy. i don't know what donna, i mean, if donna's running, i'd obviously be for her, i just love her to death. i think she's a terrific person. but we're not going to rise and fall on a party chair. >> i enjoyed the premise of your book that we're still right, they're still wrong. but as you point out in the book, it often doesn't matter. >> well -- >> what -- i have a question. i had the pleasure of going to a
conservative religious college in the bible belt. and like you, i never converted a single republican. [laughter] >> right. >> you mention that in your book. >> right. >> the thing that i find -- the question i have, well, if people are not voting on the basis of who's right and who's wrong, particularly the working class, the white male, then what are they voting for? and aren't they looking -- >> [inaudible] >> sure. well, again, i want you to criticize what i'm going to say. so to be honest with you, i don't know anybody more different than a working class person than donald trump. >> right. >> that man is more like a robber-baron. shouldn't we be -- the question, should we, shouldn't we be pointing out he's not like us? he's not like you, white middle class people? that's my question.
>> okay. and it's a very good point. again, our values are pluralism and knowledge. if people reject that, then i'm sorry. but, you know, max plank, the great theoretical physicist, said that science does not triumph because it convinces its opponents, science triumphs because its opponents eventually die. [laughter] science advances one funeral at a time. [laughter] i'd be cynical if i -- but you're right. and the real tragedy is, is that the very people that you talk about are going to be the first people that are going to be hurt by this. what i think is that once -- if we do a good job of exposing and educating, then hopefully some will see the error of their ways. but you can't see the light unless you light the light. and that's what we're going to do, we're going to light the
light. now, they can choose not to see the light, to put it in a more fundamentalist term, but we're going to light the light. and we're going to play -- point out how the stuff that they're proposing affects. and i'm going to urge the democrats to get a composite of a trump voter, what that person's status is. and in every piece of election, say this is what happened to ben bob. he's getting the living crap kicked out of him. and you can't blame him. you've got to say it's we didn't do a good enough job of telling ben bob what we were going to do. and we've got to blame ourselves, but we've got to move forward. >> hello. i'm a democrat, and i do believe that i have the, you know, that we have the moral high ground,
but i believe that we gave it up this year with your friend, donna brazile, giving questions at the debate, things like that. i don't know whether they're true or not, but with all the e-mails, wikileaks, i think that the moral high ground was no longer ours. so when you talk about the future, we need to really focus on people who are ethical, people who are more concerned about the voter than about the donor. [applause] so where are we going to -- i mean, and i don't know much about keith ellison, but how can we find more moral people? >> well, let me, let me start. i worked at cnn for a long time. i'm a partisan democrat. if i found out something, i would tell on democrats. donna brazile is the chairman of democratic national committee. accusing her of being a democrat is like accusing the pope of being a catholic. [laughter] [applause] there's nothing, there's nothing
immoral, in my mind -- now -- [inaudible] there's nothing immoral by donna saying these are the questions that they're going to ask you. it's not a morality question. >> i disagree. >> okay. well, that's fine. >> and i think that hillary was very well prepared and did not need to be fed questions. >> again, hillary didn't ask -- i cannot accuse somebody of immorality when i know damn good and well i'd do the same thing myself. [laughter] [applause] that's like me telling somebody that premarital sex is um moral. immoral. [laughter] >> i am of a certain age where, to me, hillary clinton is one of the most admirable and accomplished women of my lifetime. [cheers and applause]
my question is, where does all this hillary hatred come from, in your opinion? why do people hate her? >> well, look, i think she is a remarkably admirable perp. i think that -- person. i think that she is a woman person -- [laughter] that believes in, that at the core of success is preparation and hard work. which i think is a really, really diligent fact. one of the problems she has is, is that people are, for whatever reason a lot of them good, they can't stand politics. and to them, when they saw her, they see somebody that has been in politics all of their lives. now, if you would tell me that hillary clinton's campaign would
have put on the best convention that i can remember, would have won the three debates by the biggest margin any presidential candidate has and would win the popular vote by over two million votes and still wouldn't be president, i wouldn't have believed you. but i do think she's an admirable person. but i think that she genuinely believes that you've got to be responsible, you have to study hard, that there's multiple problems that require multiple solutions. and i think sometimes in politics you have to be willing to be more concise and more emotional. and i don't think that was, you know -- >> dumb it down? >> huh? >> dumb it down? >> well, you can say that, but i think that she believed and she prepared for everything. you don't have to be like donald
trump dumb. [laughter] i mean, like, you know, like i know more about isis than the generals. my favorite he said i'm going to get in, i'm going to give the generals 30 days to figure out how to beat isis. like they never thought about that before. [laughter] >> thank you. >> and i think that she, the choices that she made, she's a very, very responsible, knowledgeable person who is literally one of the most admirable people i knew. but she didn't, you know, she wasn't concise, or she wasn't -- she believed that that was it. by the way, she got the most votes. >> hi. i'd like to ask about the electoral college and, of course, you know this is florida, ground zero for fraud in electoral college, perhaps. but there's a at least on my facebook feed a rumor going
around that there's some little known -- >> [inaudible] >> yeah. there's some little known clause that when the popular vote is for the candidate who didn't win, electors can switch their votes, and the state of maryland has already committed to doing that? >> i know what you're talking about. there is a, there's a way that certain people are going about that say, and i think very correctly, that you can change it and have the popular vote count without amending the constitution. and what maryland and some states have said, that as soon as states that total 270 electoral votes pass similar legislation, we will instruct -- the legislature can instruct its electors to vote for who it wants. so by law, the maryland legislature will instruct its electors to vote for the winner of the popular vote. so that's what that is.
i am kind of familiar with that. there's a guy in san francisco who's, you know, been very, very, very big on this issue. it's a long shot. >> but is there my way to push that? >> well, you could. why is the republican party, who is benefiting greatly, or why -- one of the things the electoral college does, it mightily discriminates against minorities, because most minorities are in the same, in california, new york. and so that's why we're going to win two and a half million, it greatly empowers, you know, and you're going to see a lot of political science on this coming up. but that's what the maryland provision is. >> [inaudible] >> i'm familiar with that. i know. i -- how many, when is the only
time that a political party has won the popular vote six out of the last seven times since the formation of political parties? the democrats in the last seven elections. educate. educate. educate. educate. educate. so when you ask somebody about it, say i don't think it's fair that we win the popular vote in six out of the last seven elections, and they're going to control the supreme court. educate, educate, educate. premise it with that. >> following up on educate and expose, i think like a lot of people in this room, i felt totally flat-footed after the election. i felt uneducated -- >> right. >> -- about anything about trump and what he really meant. i took most of my news from the times and the washington post and the usual sources. and my question for you is, i feel betraye i want to know who to blame for being so ignorant to what happened to us and how i was reading three hours a day of
this stuff, and i can't believe that i got beat up like this. so where is the press' responsibility, culpability, and what can we do forward so we're smarter going forward? thank you. >> you know, i don't want to get in the kind of position to defend the press, because i think there's a lot of things that they do that don't -- the people, the politifact, the factcheck.org people, whatever, they really, if you go look -- there was a guy in toronto, starr, glenn kessler at the washington post, i mean, the average voter and maybe the campaign should have, like, put out -- like, did -- this is a kind of norm that politicians all kind of revolved around. hillary, bernie, jeb bush, you know, john kasich, all about i want to say it's like 20% false,
mostly false or something. with trump it was like 60. i mean, no one was even close. and they kept, like, in case anybody wanted to read it. they actually did some, you know -- now, what i think is they totally, totally overblew the whole e-mail thing. i mean, there was never -- even comey, who, like, did everything he could, i think it's a near coup d'etat that they did. [applause] even said, no, no reasonable person would say there's any case to make against her. and so i think it was the most disgraceful thing of the entire campaign was the foundation. the clinton foundation has been described by the head of charity watch is the preeminent philanthropy of our generation.
[applause] and because of the press' actions with the clinton foundation, people are going to die. and if there's any morality in the world for people to go out and do something like that just to show that they have the power to do it knowing, knowing that it's going to cause people around the world to die is a shame. >> do you feel my anger is misplaced when i direct it at the press? >> i feel your anger's what now? no, i think, i think i would give them a passing grade on exposing trump's lies. .. you
feel that way but he gets caught every time and people don't care. it was like the people voted for him again, our shared values are pluralism and knowledge. values in many states didn't carry the day. yes, sir? >> thank you for coming. [applause] >> do a little dance, there it is. my question is specifically regarding millennials age we are on a college campus. how many millennial there in the room? i can't see. all three of them back there. i am a millennial, the oldest
millennial. my question is this. how do we get millennial's more involved, engaged, caught up part of the process. if millennial gave up 3 clinton would be the president right now, how do we get millennials involved? >> what it would be like when term -- trump won on election night. anybody see that tape q we got it around, definitely people. look. that is a remarkable question and two, i am around -- do any good to get mad at what they do.
i am profoundly disappointed they didn't sufficiently recognize the threat trump posed. i hate to say this, but there is no better education, the mule is going to kick them and they will no. i am hunted by your question. it is a very good question. unfortunately as is so often the case with young people they will have to learn the hard way. >> the answer to my question is they have to learn the hard way. they didn't come out and vote this time, maybe hillary could have done a better job on mobilization or whatever but would think the prospect of donald trump would be sufficient to get people out to vote.
>> you would think. as far as advice goes. >> i go back to what i said. >> kicked by the mule and get it moving? >> you have to educate. tell young people they are taking money from your future and giving it to their donors. we have to tell young people that the stuff they are doing, tell young people, they will be denied access to birth control, we have to tell young people parents tell people the kind of healthcare they need so we have to do a better job educating young people because they self educate. >> thank you. >> is there any way to hold donald trump accountable? what if he has conflict of interest, breaks the law? >> what is my message tonight?
i am a man with a message. how many times have i said expose and educate? expose and educate, expose and educate, expose and educate. that is what we are trying to do, that is our mission. >> that question didn't go well. >> it went great, you gave me the platform to talk about it, great question. >> what does your wife think of the trump presidency? [cheers and applause] >> most women i don't don't want to their husbands to speak for them. i won't speak for my wife. i will get in trouble. i can tell you what i think, i won't tell you what she thinks. >> americans hate change, what are two issues you see for the
next few years under the trump administration? >> what was the question is >> being that americans hate change, what issues from president-elect trump's administration for the next few years? >> the constitution says -- knowing trump he may try to seek power without it and be like vladimir putin. we have to be vigilant. one of the issues on the table, i couldn't hear, the issues -- >> that you see? >> the biggest issue we face today bar none is climate. literally, i have no idea how and amoeba could live in south florida or louisiana and not understand what is going on with
that the second thing, go back to my essential thing, at least with me and many people but not everybody, pluralism and knowledge our shared values, thought to be good things, they are distinctly under attack. i guess i gave you three instead of two. >> thank you. be change to you think the clintons see themselves as the last hope against the corporate oligarchy and if so did they become the very thing they are against? or claim to be? >> corporate oligarchy? i think under bill clinton we had the best economy we have had under any president.
the only time the 70s that incomes actually grew. so i thought i am not exactly sure what people's problem was with the clinton years? was it the peace and prosperity? something really got under somebody's skin. look. if anybody thinks donald trump doesn't represent the corporate oligarchy, need to get rid of there is a tax and lower the cost of tax and lower taxes on the 1%, all the people who bit about the clintons, you got your wish, thank you. >> what is your formula for addressing and solving two key
structural legal problems? the first is the complete seizure of the redistricting process by the republicans, accomplished very quietly and now memorialized in a book whose name cannot be mentioned on the family television hour. but in any event, that is what happens with control of the state legislature, well we wind up with the congress we have. the constitution can be amended with great difficulty but it can be amended to deal with electoral college issues. it seems to me for both of those questions it is important to have a boots on the ground nuts and bolts ground game for addressing those issues. >> i will take the second part first under the maryland legislation. i explained earlier that state
legislatures say 70 electoral votes follow suit, we will instruct -- terry lectors have to do that -- you need a state composite, half of the electorate. under the constitution -- to amend the constitution you need two third of the congress and three quarters of state legislature, the maryland solution is a quicker way to achieve the result you want. on the redistricting you are exactly right. there is model legislation that appoints a good government way to go about this, rounding up the usual suspects, miami-dade college, you can submit a bunch of different plans and the legislature has to vote it up
without. i want to say iowa, a couple states adapted this, but it works better. one of the big problems we can't do anything about is weak win the popular vote because democrats are inefficiently distributed. a lot of times what can we do to help the democratic party? lose. somewhat of a distribution problem. the electoral college, it is a little easier than the constitution, there are proposals for redistricting more equitable, but as long as people -- at the core of the republican party, we don't want democracy, the electoral college does not
represent democracy, harsh voting laws do not represent democracies. they know they can't win elections straight up. one thing trump was right, it is a rigged deal, he didn't realize who was doing the rigging, thank you. be change i have a quick question. how far does our economy have to take a plunder for the rural population to -- for them not to vote republican when they are getting food stamps, they are about their guns and god, we are going to find out how far the economy has to take a dump, how
far it has to take a dump for people in rural areas in this country to start voting for their interests and not against. >> thank you. all right. you are a veteran? >> yes i am, air force. >> all right! [applause] or smack >> i am an old marine myself. >> i have three questions i wanted you to respond to. they are real short. >> hurry up. >> the first one is, i am chairman of the national party.org, people -- >> is this a question or a speech? >> we have tried to get on the books, to run for election but
one that stops you from getting on it legally, the candidates got on this time that were independent and i don't know how they got on. jesse ventura and john glenn. >> i call for a question. >> next question. >> it wasn't the first one. >> to the second one. i got three. the second one is the democratic party a part-time party in the sense the people complaining are minority interests but the people who want to run it are not. it is a part-time party like south africa. >> opinions are like noses, everyone has got one. you are not asking me a question, your giving me an opinion which is perfectly okay, you have every right to do that
but i just got a microphone here and want to give everybody my opinion, that is fine. >> one more question, final one, alaska and hawaii don't have electoral votes and i have been trying -- you can vote for them, never show them on tv what the electoral number is. >> we have a difference -- we got here -- failure to communicate. >> 26 or 29. >> thank you, next question. >> hard act to follow. don't know what the statistics are with millennials. if we forget about the older white mail, just forget about them because we won't convert them. >> they are our countrymen, why would we forget? we don't leave anybody behind. >> but the millennials.
>> what is the question? >> why can't the democratic party and the candidates make sure there are absentee ballots mckinney don't want to vote when they are in college or make it a civic duty? >> because the simple answer, a simple and satisfying answer, we don't control the florida legislature. >> work through education, the foundation -- >> i am all for it. expose and educate. >> i've got -- >> there are people standing behind you. >> forget expose and educate, how much of trump's election is due to the dislike of people like me, people like us? northern liberal jewish. >> i love you, man.
>> southern, catholic, old, white, proud democrat, all five of them. >> how much is personality-based rather than issue-based? how much is personality-based, disliking people? >> one of our shared values, pluralism, if you believe in pluralism you like people for who they are. you don't care -- our shared values, we have to fight for them. not everyone shares our values but i love you. >> two questions and they are both questions. first, this man with no principles has already reversed himself in the first two weeks
on everything from prosecuting the clintons to draining the swamp to building the wall, repealing obamacare, what happens when those who drink the kool-aid wake up and realize he can't? >> what is our job? expose and educate. we got to tell them it is really crappy kool-aid. and we will. >> part 2 is what part one was leading up to. would you describe for us an action plan leading up to the midterm elections? >> expose and educate. >> can you be more specific? >> the problem we have is specificity. >> we had enough of a guy who only used a slogan. >> you asked the question and i am answering the problem we have is ten point program for everything, we have a two point
program, we are going to research, find out and raise hell. after we get asked, we will research, find out, raise more hell. after we do that, we are going to research, find out and continue to raise hell. that is the plan. we don't have its we 10 point plan. that is a two point plan. we always have six sides to the pentagon. >> we have time for two more questions. >> two more, that is it. go ahead. >> how are you? welcome, glad you are here. according to the washington post, trump won michigan by 12,000 votes, wisconsin by 27,000, pennsylvania by 68,000,
terry johnson took double or triple or quadruple amount of votes in each of those states and florida similarly, 37,000 here, and 240,000 votes. do you have any comment on preferential voting where two choices and your first choice doesn't get 50%, and other major countries. and the third-party to not be a spoiler. >> we are up against the wall. we have a full that knows nothing about nothing running the country. and aspirational, facing the constitution, and right now
under siege, six bayonets. and we are too diligence, want to solve everything right now, we have got to stop this man, and got run over. that is what we got to do. we have time for theorizing, we don't have time for some visionary structural change, our ass is up against the wall. we got to fight back now and i don't mean -- i am just saying that. a lot of times our problem, it is not concise enough and not emotional enough. that is why i wrote the book. you mean to tell me democrats are leading job creation, every
socratic president the last 50 years created more jobs? i had no idea. i didn't realize that in the stock market and booms during democratic times. i had no idea people, studied the stuff, came up with all that. we have got to quit second guessing ourselves, we have got to quit talking about too many things, got to get out there, tell people what our values are, do it in a way they can understand and that is my point. i don't mean to be rude to anybody, but we don't have time right now to worry about gary johnson. >> not gary johnson. my point more or less was 1,007,000 voters made trump president and it seems the
democrats do have more voters but the way the infrastructure is created -- >> right now he is the president. i will point it out. we got more votes than him. but right now -- women's health issues, we are in a battle. we are under siege. and 100,000 votes hear the popular vote. and we got to write any anti-semite next to the president's office. that is happening in real-time. as i speak.
thank you. >> of trump is that excited about president obama's surprise the other day, what do you think of nominating him to vacancy on the supreme court? [applause] >> he doesn't know anything. the president tells you about the good stuff about obamacare, no one has told him the only way to have insurance to people that need it is to force people to buy insurance that don't needed. he hasn't figured that out. nobody has told him. the republican party couldn't vote for any single thing obama ever did. will he vote to put him on the supreme court? we got to live in the world
here. we have a world to leave and. >> he loved to put on a show or pretend he is going to try to unify, that is something he might like to do. >> i hope he does. >> stranger things have happened. >> president obama to the supreme court i publicly say i was totally wrong about this man. i beg the forgiveness of the people of the united states. i stand a humble man before you. i had no idea. >> thank you so much for coming, everyone. james carville will be signing books outside. books are for sale outside as well. [applause] >> thank you all for coming. the autographs out there, we will be happy to meet each one
of you. also alan cummings starts at 8:00, we will see you back here for this, thanks to all. ♪ or smack that was james carville at the miami book fair and we are back live in miami on the campus of miami-dade college on the north end of downtown miami, several hours of live coverage ahead. bernie sanders is coming up and you will be able to ask him questions and he will be in the
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