tv Open Phones with Senator Bernie Sanders CSPAN November 19, 2016 5:15pm-5:51pm EST
south africa as a kid, did blacks ever make you feel different from them and look at you a certain way or treat you differently because you weren't as dark as they were and vice versa. >> i'm lucky that i didn't experience that in the black community. within the black community i was welcomed because, you know n essence what i found even when traveling the world, a lot of the times community that is are having a tougher time or experience that's not particularly pleasant are more welcoming to outsiders that choose that experience because they go, no one would want to be here, who are we to judge you, come on in. those communities are very welcoming. i've never experienced in african communities. i did experience in colored
communities. often times it's easier to be an insider as an outsider than it is to be an outsider that's an insider and what i mean by that, it was easier for me to be accepted by black people because it was a quick discussion and audition that was made immediately and that was clearly we can see that we are different. you are choosing to be here and upset me and then we move on from here where people who saw me exactly like them questioned why i wasn't because i culturally was not the same. i had people rejecting me because they felt that i was rejecting them by being myself and that's something we have to be careful of. we do that all of the time in our communities. we shun them because we feel they are living a life different to ours when in fact, they are true to themselves. [cheers and applause] >> that is something i didn't experience in extreme levels but i do know what you're talking
about. >> i was standing in the back and someone whispered in my ear, i always liked him because he was smart and funny but i know he's a beautiful human being so i want to thank you very much. >> thank you. [applause] >> thank you for being here. [cheers and applause] >> i also want to thank bob for a remarkable conversation as well. thank you, bob. [applause] [music]
[cheers and applause] >> welcome to the miami book fair but just a few minutes ago senator bernie sanders arrived at c-span bus which is parked here on the campus of miami-dade college to do a call-in program to talk about his newest book, our revolution, a future to believe in. senator sanders you write that the clinton campaign may not have liked it, the democratic establishment may not have liked it but it was clear that i was the strongest candidate if democrats were to retain the white house. >> well, that's what all of the polling showed. what the polling showed is state by state in almost all cases, not all and nationally i was running better than secretary clinton against mr. trump and in some cases in really big numbers.
>> the last couple of months in our call-in programs we have heard from a lot of sanders' supporters who say i was supporting bernie sanders but when he dropped out i'm not supporting donald trump. how does that connect? >> well, it connects in the sense that important reality in this country today that media has missed and that many politicians have missed is that a lot of people are in a lot of pain. we have a middle class which is in decline. you have roughly half of older workers, maybe half who have nothing in the bank as they move into retirement. they are scared to death. you have elderly people cutting prescription in tools, you have moms out there who can't afford child care for their kids. you've got kids graduating college today 450, hundred thousand dollars a debt making 12 bucks an hour and can't pay off. that's a reality that the media
missed and most politicians have missed. it's not a reality that i have missed and throughout my entire political career that's what i've been talking about that there's something fundamentally wrong when in the richest country in the history ostled world, which is where we are today, the middle class continues to decline. it's my message and mr. trump comes along and says the establishment isn't working, yeah, i'm a multibillionaire says mr. trump. i'm going the take on the establishment, i'm going to take on the politicians and i'm going to take on wall street and i'm going to take on the drug companies and i can do it and i'm the only one by the way that can to it and people respond today that. so i think to mr. trump's credit what he understood is there was a lot of anger and pain and frustration out there. now, we have a long list of all of things that mr. trump
promised during this campaign. and we are going to introduce many of the ideas or ideas that i and others have been talked for a long time where we are going to see to what degree he was telling the american people the truth or what degree these were simply campaign rhetoric of which he had no intention to fulfill. but we are going to press him. we are going to introduce legislation and we hope that he works with us in fulfilling his own campaign promises. >> senator bernie sanders will be speaking at the miami book fair in about little over an hour and we will be covering that live in book tv. this is your chance to talk with them. the numbers on the screen, 202 is the area, 748-8200 for those east and central times, 748-8201 if you live in mountain and pacific time zones. this is your fourth book. when did you have a chance to write them? [laughter] >> not much. i wrote it after the campaign. we took a very little bit of time off after the campaign and i spent three months working
very long and hard hours on the book. >> if you had been elected president, you talk about this in the book, would you have had to raise taxes for some of the programs that you advocated for? >> absolutely. in the time that you have billionaires like donald trump not paying a nickel in federal income tax and major corporation, major corporation putting, stashing the profit in cayman islands not paying a pen any in federal corporate taxes, of course, we are going demand that those people pay their fair share of taxes. one of the concerns that i have and i said this god knows how many times the income level inequality. top 1% owning more wealth than the bottom. that has got to change. and i will do my best as the united states senator to make
those changes. >> page 61 of our revolution, the clintons over the years received huge amounts of money in campaign contributions and speaking fees from power and corporate america whether on the campaign trail or in their private lives they spent an enormous amount of time raising money from the wealthy and the powerful. >> yes. i don't think that's denialable. >> that the state of the democratic party? >> that's a good question. i'm glad you brought it there because that's exactly what i'm working on right now. see, i think that mr. trump's many and most of the people who voted for mr. trump i don't think their racist, i don't think they are sexist, i think that they are people in desperation who are hurting and they are in pain and they look around and they say, what is the democratic party doing for me. now the truth is and this is an important truth that after eight
years of president obama our economy is in better shape, that's just a fact. when bush left office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. our world's financial system was on the virtue of collapse and we were $1.4 trillion deficit, the largest in american history. are we better off today, of course, we are and obama deserves credit for that, but and here is the very big but while that improvement has taken place it has not been enough. too many people are still hurting, you have millions of workers today who in real inflation accounted for dollars are making less than they made 40 years ago and they're saying, what's going on, why am i working longer hours for low wages and falling further behind and they are worried to death about their children, will their children ever get a decent jobs. in my view obama has made
progress but not enough and it is time for the democratic party to undergo a fundamental change and decide which side it's on. you can't get money from wall street and cuddle with pharmaceutical city. -- industry and well wall street that we are going to break up large banks and that their greed and illegal behavior is inaccurate keptable. five major drug companies last year made $450 billion in profit and you have millions of people who can't afford the medicine they desperately need. >> as the newest member of the new democratic leadership team in the senate, how would you make the change? >> that's what i'm thinking about now.
what i want to see happen is the transformation of the democratic party a party which is a grass-roots party which opens up its door to working people and says, yeah, we know that you can't make it on ten bucks an hour, we know that you are hurting as your job went to china or to méxico. we know you can't afford, if there's anything that impresses me in my campaign the opportunity to speak with beautiful people that everyone watching is pessimist above and beyond the recent election. there's a generation of young people out there who are very beautiful people who really love this country who are going to work hard to make this country what we know can become. this is the generation that's the least -- the least racist generation, least sexist
generation, least homophobic generation. the generation most concerned about the environment and climate change, it is a very beautiful group of people and we want to bring them in to the democratic party. >> senator sanders newest book is called our revolution. let's hear from margaret in kansas, margaret, you're on with senator sanders. >> caller: first of all, thank you so much for running, i wear your t-shirt, i had to be in kansas and i used to live in chicago. i was very shocked. you're very wrong, sir, when you say there's not racist and things. here is like people still talking about obama as a socialist, a communist, people using religions to hate gays, i was very proud of the two democrats that won in the brown-back he or hostile kansas but my question is, i'm 66, i can't hit the streets anymore.
i've had breast cancer, i'm so afraid that social security and medicare is going to be taken away and i don't know how much more poverty i can still manage, the sisters of charity helped me here. there's no public transportation. i get $16 of food stamps a month. it's health care that i know is not the greatest, there's nothing -- no where to go toward the bottom. >> margaret, let me just say this in terms of your first point. i'm more than aware that racism and sexism exist in america. my point was that, i think, that wasn't the dominant reason that mr. trump won. let me get to your second point and this is an important point. we are going to hold mr. trump accountable, you know, he ran for president in the republican primary and he sent out a tweet,
i'm the only republican candidate, 19, 17, 16 candidates, i'm the only candidate running, republican primary, who does not believe that we should cut social security, medicare or medicaid. donald trump, i will not cut social security, medicare, medicaid. now margaret's point is which is absolutely right is he got most republicans out there in the congress, not all, but most of them do want to cut social security, medicare and medicaid and give huge tax breaks to billionaires, but we are going to hold trump accountable. we are going to hold him to his word. i myself believe we should expand social security because people can't make it on 11 to $12,000 a year. but we will hold trump accountable. he said he will not cut social security, medicare and medicaid and i will do everything that i can to make sure that he does not cut social security and medicare or medicaid.
>> steven in ohio, go ahead. >> caller: hi there, a question for bernie, third-party. i wonder why bernie stayed with the democratic party and not instead helping the movement to form a new party. >> thank you, steven. >> steve, it's a fair question and as i trust many viewers know i'm the longest independent in in the history of the united states, i was mayor independent. i know a little bit about it and what i do know that it is very, very, very hard to put together a strong third party and right now where i am is trying to significantly transform the democratic party to make it a party of working people, of young people, a party which is
going to stand up to the fossil fuel industry and wall street and the drug companies and the insurance companies. we are the wealthiest country in history of the world. we should not have to receive calls from people like margaret who are wondering how they're going to survive on limited amounts of money and social security. that's not what this country should be about. so right now that is where i am and i am going to do everything i can to make sure that the democratic party has the guts to stand up to the big money interests that have so much power over the economic and political party. >> now bernie sanders of vermont. >> i was selected as senator for vermont. >> in the first place, i don't trust donald trump. he lies every breath he takes and he scares me to death. i think he wants two classes the people, the rich and the poor
and the rich and the poor, that's what they have in communism. does this freighten you any or do you think the government can control him? >> no, he makes me -- look, i spent the last two weeks going to 12 states around this country including iowa doing my best to see that donald trump lost that election, so, of course, he frightens me and the people that he has around him make me very, very nervous. we are where we are right now and i can say that in a democratic society people can cis agree on a lot of issues but where there can be no compromise on the issue of bigotry. the so-called birther movement was a racist effort to undermine the first african-american
president in history. you can disagree with obama or not but to undermine legitimacy is grotest and unacceptable. his ideas and the statements he made about the latino community accusing latinos of being criminals and rapists and immigration about sweeping up millions of people, throwing them out of this country unacceptable. his views on islam, one of the largest religions in the world and unconstitutional idea that we can keep people of certain religion from entering the united states. all of those issues should be a great concern to every american and fighting to make sure we remain a nondiscriminatory society. we have come a long way in fighting discrimination and we are not going back, we are not going toaf a racist, sexist, type of society.
we have to go forward. >> president obama is a friend of mine and worked with him on many issues but on the issue of trade has been dead wrong. >> not only him. in my view when we talk about why the middle class in this country has been shrinking, why we have seen thousands and thousands of factories shut down over the last 20 years, that has a lot to do with our disastrous trade policies. nobody should be fooled. these are created and written by corporate america, fbi pharmaceutical industry, by the big-money interest and the function of those trade policies by in large is to allow corporations to shut down in the united states, move to china and méxico and other low-wage countries. i helped lead the effort
together against the tpp, i am delighted that that is dead. we need a new trade policy which benefits american workers and not just the ceo's of large corporations. >> next call for senator bernie sanders comes from adrienne in california, adrienne, you're on book tv. >> caller: hello, mr. sanders. >> we are listening, please go ahead. >> yes. i just had a question. i don't really trust donald trump with the people he has surrounded himself with. the whole council and national policy people, the war hogs and i just first of say to you that i agree with your looks on trade and the war in iraq and you're both against patriotic and you show that you are what you stand for and you're for that but my question is, do you believe
that's why you were railroaded with the dnc because of the voting record and the way you have shown that you stand for pretty much what's right? >> look, the dnc is part of the establishment. during the course of the campaign as i think many viewers will remember, we made it clear. we understood it. we knew which side they were on and this is important and this is what gives me confidence in the future. in my campaign and we talk about this a great deal in the book, we had to take on the entire democratic establishment. we had to take on every governor, every mayor, the entire democratic party in the u.s. senate with the exception of senator merkley of oregon, very few members in the house of representatives supported me. we had to take them along, we ended up winning 22 states, 46%
of pledged delegates and by the way, we ended up winning the young people, black, latino, white, asian american, native american, so we had to take them on. i'm confident and i feel good about what we established but obviously the political revolution has got to continue going forward. >> our revolution is bernie sanders' fourth book and book tv has covered all four of his books, outsider in the house in 1998, the speech came out in 2011, that was filibuster an outsider in the white house just came out last year and now our revolution is out this year. have you talked to donald trump since the election? >> no, i have not. >> next call is jane in oakland, california. >> caller: hello, senator sanders. >> yes. >> i'm glad to see that you are taking leadership in this
troubling and confusing times. we are disappoint that had you are not actually elected president. we have the opposite of you in the white house and it's a very crazy prospect in the next four years, god bless us. my question is what do you think might happen to social security and medicare under trump? is there a possibility that they may be privatized or gutted and what -- >> okay. the answer to the question is the american people overwhelmingly not only do not -- not only do they not want to see social security cut, not only do they not want to see social security privatized, but what the american people want is see social security expanded because they know that disabled veterans and acceptory citizens and people with disabilities cannot make on 10-11, $12,000 a
year. i'm not going to cut social security an medicare but what i know and i think you know is that in the republican party right now you have all kinds of people who are salivating at the prospect of cutting social security or privatizing social security, of converting medicare into a voucher program. i tell you we are going to do everything we can to rally the american people not to cut social security, medicare and medicaid. many people live in poverty, can't afford prescription drugs and we are not going to cut programs that are life and death to so many americans. >> from our revolution, senator, this is a sentence that donald trump would agree with.
our infrastructure is crumbling, one of the most important parts of your agenda was creating millions of new jobs by rebuilding our infrastructure. >> yes. there's no question that our infrastructure is collapsing. roads, bridges. i was in flint, michigan during the campaign and what's happening with the water system is unspeakable. it's going onto some degree in all over the country. we used to have the best rail system, no longer the case. airports are deteriorating, levies and dams, we can create, i propose a trillion dollar investment over 5-year period which would create 13 million decent paying jobs. mr. trump is talking about rebuilding infrastructure. i hope the ideas are not simply giving tax breaks to the corporations which we end up privatizing roads and bridges, that would be a disaster. if he's serious about rebuilding our infrastructure and creating jobs, that's a plausible idea
that we can go forward with. i might add to this, mr. trump during his campaign told the american people that he thought that climate change was a hoax, was a hoax, let me be as clear as i can be,i talk to scientists all over the world. climate change is not a hoax, climate change is a threat to the entire planet. if we do not get our act together in the near future and transform energy system away from fossil fuel to sustainable energy, we are going to see more drought, we are here in miami beach, florida, more rising sea levels that will threaten the city level here and mr. trump, i hope, i hope is smart enough to know that he has to listen to the scientists and not just the fossil fuel industry.
>> time for a couple more calls. go ahead. >> hi, there. >> go ahead. >> hi. >> how are you? >> good, bernie, i'm very much proud of you and very much in favor of what you've stood for. but as a public i think we are all asking for one thing, that is to all of us to try to work together and reduce the rhetoric because the noise, because we need healing and pull together and it's not the idea that it's us against them and us against us. >> i think it's much more commonality among the american people than the media allows us to believe. i'm not going to say that there
are not people in this country, people who are watching this program who are not going to disagree with me and others on abortion rights. i'm strongly pro-choice, on gave -- gay marriage. and other issues. if you look at issues like raising the minimum wage, pay equity for women, we just talked about rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, making college affordable for all of our young people, demanding that the wealthy large corporations start paying their fair share of taxes, you would be surprised at how many progressives and conservatives share similar views on many of those issues. at the end of the day, if you're a conservative, you know, you want to see your kid be able to go to college, you want to earn a decent wage. so i think in many ways there is more commonality than the media allows us to believe. >> and donnia in internal --
irvine, california, you get the last word with senator sanders. >> hello, senator sanders. >> we are listening, go ahead. >> hi, senator sanders. >> how are you? >> hi. the question i have congratulations on your book. i want to know -- my question is do you have any regrets? i want to add to that, i'm glad you did the book, you're a phenomenal -- anyway, leader, do you have any -- >> i tell you what, we are out of time and let's get an answer from senator sanders. >> well, i didn't quite get the question, but dona, thank you very much for your kind words. and i hope people take the time to read the book and, you know, but the book is not just the campaign but what we try to do
in the book is give very common sense tactical solutions and major crises that we face, the economy, health care, immigration reform and so forth. >> let's end with one political question, tim ryan and nancy philosophy, do you have a dog in that fight? >> nancy is a friend of mine. paul ryan. tim ryan. i was in the house for a number of years but i will let the democrats in the house sort that one out. >> senator bernie sanders, a future to believe in, in a little bit over an hour senator sanders will be speaking live in book tv here at the miami book fair.
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