tv Palestine Center Conference Panel 2 CSPAN November 24, 2016 6:00am-8:01am EST
real movement for a cognitive real organizing between communities will demand this kind of support, this kind of standing up for the most vulnerable among us. and finally common you know, eds is a tactic i shifted the way folks here are active on the issue of palestine. so i will talk a little bit more about bds specifically in the u.s. its global and there's a lot going on all over the world. we know that boycott are not a new tactic necessarily. palestinians have used it before and during the british mandate during the first thing to fontana, et cetera.
the bds movement which dates to 2005 in the calls from over 170 palestinian civil society organizations to the international community has created an a new level of engagement on espn you know, the demand of the movement are also important to recognize and how instrumental those demands have been in widening the focus for palestinian rights. it is about ending the occupation and taking down the walls, but also guaranteeing equal rights for palestinians of israel and recognizing the apartheid like regime that currently exists in both the respect and rates of return for palestinian refugees. the fact that it encompasses all of these demands is really
important in the way that it has shaped activism and the kind of political conversation that is happening. since 2005, this call for boycott divestment and sanctions has been heated by organizations and groups around the world and we've seen significant bit therese. we've seen just in the u.s. academic boycotts. academic associations go into years of organizing to resolve in the end to accept resolution to call for an academic boycott of institutions. the american studies and ossetian, the national association of chicano and chicano studies. native and indigenous studies. there are many of them in this
been a significant development i think just in the last three years really. church is ,-com,-com ma divestmendivestmen t resolutions have been passed in several churches. the united church of christ, the lutherans recently called for an end to military aid to israel. and universities. there are over 30 student governments at universities that have passed resolutions calling on their universities that divest from companies that profit from human rights violations. these are huge therese. they have caught the attention of israel and its allies. the cultural boycott as well. artists and musicians and actors
speaking out on this issue. so let's talk about the response to this movement and i think what is most -- what is most important to realize here is that, you know, this is a testament to how successful the movement has become, how much it has changed public discourse to the point where presidential candidate can say what he said. and you know, the backlash we are seeing originates with israel itself, which has pledged millions of dollars to combat team bds specifically and is
supported by dozens of groups in the united states that specifically support israel and the zionist agenda. so we have sheldon abelson racing over $20 million to combat palestine activism on campuses and millions and millions of dollars dedicated by organizations to undermining this growing movement. i think the thing that when we are thinking about the u.s. role and miss, what is dictating how the u.s. in the form of government officials and the forum of public institutions like universities and the form
of government agencies is responding to face. there are a few things to think about. it seems that the u.s. and his officials are really listening to the israeli alarmism about bds. that is the bogeyman that represents a larger movement. what has resulted is that israel has labeled bds as a strategic threat of the first order and it has labeled bds as anti-semitic and attempted to link it to terrorism or imply that it's just as bad. we have seen that it has followed suit and we will discuss some of the ways in which it has done that. my organization palestine legal
put out a report last year documenting what we have seen around the country to the suppression of speech palestine of activities and palestine. return to the palestine exception to free speech. it seems like you can talk about basically anything in this country, but if you criticize israel, hold on, you're vulnerable to a lot of attacks. and so, it has really presented a challenge to our first amendment right in the enforcement of these rate. so you know, what we see is just in the last since 2014 we have
documented nearly 600 incidents of suppression. a lot of these have been on campuses, but not all of them. the way that this plays out is in several ways. we see academic freedom suspended. how many of you have heard about the case of stephen sakai test fired, terminated. he hadn't yet started teaching, but he had a contract and was getting ready to start teaching at the university of illinois at champaign nirvana and his contract was terminated because he was tweaking in the summer of 2014 about terroristic attack on gaza. how many of you have heard about the recent incident about the university of california berkeley? a student proposed a course on
palestine through it colonial settler analysis and an administrator arbitrarily suspended at after of course significant pressure israel advocacy groups. it was reinstated a week later after a lot of uproar and pressure and that a significant. we see that kind of thing all of the time for any talk or any study of palestine is immediately biased, is immediately one-sided, propaganda, et cetera. that is how it's being painted. we are seeing this in legal complaints and lawsuits. so we have several organizations filing complaints under title six of the civil rights act, claiming that universities are
discriminating against jewish students by allowing hostile anti-semantic environment and, you know, the basis of these claims are that lectures and film screening and protests threaten jewish students and leaves them vulnerable. so you know, just the most recent comeback to these, talking about palestine are painted as threatening to jewish students of anti-semantic and requiring some of these university intervention. and we see students disciplined all the time, charged again with being anti-semantic, threatening jewish students, et cetera but then said disciplinary prophecies and investigation and inevitably we found when we
intervene that when universities investigate, they find this is political speech. this is not an attack on jewish students. that's really important in the same has happened with the title takes complaints with the department of education that investigates them has found over and over the first amendment attacks these activities, that this is political speech amounts of the first amendment is for, thank god. and then, very important that we stay more recently is smear campaigns against individuals. how many of you have heard about canary mission, for example, a website that, you know, has profiled hundreds is too dense and academics, claiming that they are anti-semantic and pro-terrorist with the aim of preventing them from getting
jobs. so we see hundreds of students very worried about this. their careers hang on it. their future employers will google them and this is football, period you know, we have things that david horowitz freedom center plastering posters all over college campuses, naming individual student and saying the students are terrorist supporters. if you support them, you support hamas. this kind of public blacklisting is going on a lot and then you have legislation. i think the legislation we are seeing around the country is particularly representative of the length that government officials will go to oppose bds in particular.
let's talk a little about that. the alarmism about bds is evident in the legislation we are seeing and is justified by calling bds discriminatory, anti-semantic. in the case in the case of new york governor andrew cuomo calling it even worse than terrorism that golf. so he seen a couple recent days. the first was starting in 2014 in response to the american studies association academic boycott resolution. you have several states proposing legislation that tried to defense universities that support or participate in an academic boycott meaning and a universituniversit y that pays, subsidizes a faculty to go to a conference for example. these all failed partly because of the huge opposition, even the
new york times editorialized against it. and more recently, we had to hear cries of legislation is posted in the state. we are doing a few things. first you have resolutions that are nonbinding but merely condemn boycott and the is this should legislation a position about bds comes to bear her and pulled and effect they have for people who want to talk about this. and then we have bills that are proposed and they do one or all of the following. they create blacklists of companies, nonprofits, institutions.
it depends on what hill, but individuals in some cases to participate or promote bds spirit they required the state to those companies on the blacklist or some don't have a black list but they create a list. and then some prohibit the state from contract and with companies that engage in media. so what have we seen? 13 states that have passed these laws, including new york through an executive order of the governor. you know, it is hard to say what the impact that these laws are. they think in practical terms it may not be so vague, but a telling effect is huge. people think this bds has been criminalized. if i do this i will put myself
that is their intention to scare people off for engaging on this issue and then we have congressional legislation as well, a few bills and we are bound to see more. so trump, and shari to show you this picture. i feel like we've seen him a lot and we're going to see him a lot more. but we expect the assault on palestine to continue and one theme that solicited mentioned that he has said for his adviser has said as they plan to ask the department of justice to investigate campus activism. so this is a step beyond the department of education. this is reinforced the surveillance, targeting the smearing of that diverse. there is hope, so i'll end on this note.
you know, there is increasing support for palestinian rights as phyllis talked a lot about. you know, the opinion polls are showing that. the young people are more and more supportive and there's a shift. but in order to keep factoid, we we have to remove the stigma that this legislation is helping to show that all these conservative attacks on palestine activism by making possible and we have to push back against that. it is possible at and they think it's helpful because there is such an important history of boycott used to further social justice. it is a time honored tactic in the u.s. and globally and has
been used in the most important social justice movements in the u.s. and then there's the law. we have the first amendment. it is very clear supreme court precedent said boycotts are protected first amendment activity. boycotts affect political economic and social change which is what bds is. you know, it is our duty, responsibility to make sure that those rights are good. if we don't, they will be forsaken. that is a palestine's legal rule lives. that is how we see our role. if we are able to do that, if we are able to keep the space for this movement to grow, and for the public opinion to keep shifty and, we can have an effect on u.s. policy in the long run. thank you.
they follow pretty smoothly from the historical background premise of the the time is getting tight. i will stick to 10, 15 minutes to give the men in bullet point ideas and then you can have any discussion you want. my basic point that the following. the struggle for arab national right viable statehood, legitimate statehood and true sovereignty and citizenship rights all across the arab world was manifested master manically by the arab uprising six years ago. we've never had such a deep widespread and ongoing expression of the quest for statehood and citizenship across the arab world as we did six years ago and is continuing in many forms. this is the latest manifestation
of the struggle that started in the 1920s as junot pointed out. the palestinian side and request for legitimate, credible and lasting statehood sovereignty and citizenship are part of the same historical quest and they reflect a common sentiment and culminates that permeate every arab country without exception. the fact that neither of them have been fully attained with the possible exception that the first south determined arab citizenry. the fact that these rights have been attained reflects a combination of factors, organizational, institutional, international,
counterrevolutionary forces, counter democratic forces from the arab world, from the zionist movement as many different reasons we know why we have been achieved either the palestinian nationhood and citizenship or arab true sovereignty and citizen shipwrights across the arab world. the important thing to recognize this season or two dimensions at the same struggle. the reason the palestine issue continues to resonate that just across the arab world, but across the entire world and you see this now perhaps the most common signal of it is goofy. two people struggling in china and belgium in chile and forever they don't do this because it's a fashion statement. they do it because it is a symbol of a common human
struggle for right better anchored both in the modern institutions of citizenship, the u.n. declaration of human rights promote global self-determination. an instrument you want to use. derosa anchored in the ancient orality if you'd like to go that way, too, the quest for justice as god told moses to talk the hebrews to tell the world. that quest for justice is manifested most romantically across the entire world or the symbolism of the palestine issue and this is one reason why continues to grow. it is not come to fruition and have the results that we want, but the fact is growing and you heard from the previous speakers all the fascinating and important trends within the united states among students, the media, some politicians, the
mainstream churches, professional associations, academic groups. but most importantly the demographic trends among the american people of the jewish american community is the younger people under the age of 40 are clearly more evenhanded. roughly 50/50 sane palestinians and israelis had equal rights to the statehood to citizenship for security and integrity of the national consciousness. this is something that is now widespread and anchored in this political sentiments in the value systems of americans under the age of 45. among older americans, it is still problematically tilted to a brand pro-israeli position without giving the palestinians equal rights. but the trend over time, even among jewish americans and we shouldn't be surprised because young jewish americans are manifesting as americans and as
shoes and both of those characterizations are anchored in peace, justice and equality whether it's dictated by the american constitution and the young americans are the critical community we should reach out to understand, talk to and form alliances with for the well-being of all americans, particularly jewish americans because of people are worried about islam a phobia and the immigrant feeling another problems and they should remember that anti-semitism is the oldest one of these criminal deeds and it is already rearing is already rearing its head a little bit and there needs to be a strong alliance between american is and all americans of good conscience and integrity.
one of the tanks, by the way that i would recommend is i think we in the palestinian american community with others, we should start holding conferences to anti-semitism is a crime and a cancer and where its ultimate fate guns as well as the jewish people and we need to raise that issue with our jewish brothers and sisters and really understand it and try to cut it before it grows. the arab political world today is the issue of palestine in the uprisings is very clear. we have a lot of evidence which we didn't have 20 years ago, but we have it now because of poland, which is now more common across the arab world. we have a lot of evidence
repeatedly confront year after year that the palestine issue and justice without onions resonates deeply across the arab world with ordinary people. a resonates deeply and continuously and almost without exception when people in arab countries are pulled and asked what you see is the major threats to your society, your country whether it is urea, morocco, tunis or wherever. the top two issues that people see as threats to their arab countries are usually israel and american foreign policy. the exception recently has been among some people in the golf who see iran as the biggest threat and that is a legitimate perception from their lives. you have to treat people with dignity and understand them as they understand themselves had
they not sierra is a bigger threat than anything else, that the overwhelming majority of arabs for the last 20 years of polling clearly succeed israel and zionist colonialism and american foreign policy since the biggest threat to their well-being. one of the first things we should understand is that the perception and why is it that people are so strongly in solidarity with palestinians, why should somebody morocco for somebody in yemen here about house then? the reason is palestine is the only living link between 19th century european colonialists and in the current lack of national rights and citizenship dignity, statehood, composure than the normal life among people all over the arab world. there are other problems as
well, but the continued colonial expansionist policy of the current israeli government and all recent israeli governments is the continuous link from the late 19th century to the early 21st century. people feel that in their bones. you don't have to go and ask why not to them. they feel it in their bones in the same way young girls in birmingham, alabama in 1955 took their toothbrushes and what to marsh and they were going to jail they better take their toothbrushes with them. nobody had to tell them this is wrong. it was an ideology. it was biology. people all over the arab world feel exactly the same thing. when their governments in some cases have to get permission to buy some items are some computer components that is pretty
degrading and people in the arab world as in palestine is the vanity and status national integrity and legitimate national sovereignty. i believe that this is a common problem and comment thread and common source of humiliation. not just irritation and anger, but deep humiliation for people all across the arab world. historically there are other ways in which the palace to issue thinks that the political condition of the arab world and the arab uprisings. just tell me when i'm out of time in a few minutes. the biggest single problem in the modern arab world i believe and i was born in 1948 so my adult life has kind of lived through this. the biggest single problem has
been the capture of state power by military people in the arab countries. when did this start? 46, 48, 52. it was fully congruent with the arab-israeli conflict coming to its first phase of full fruition which was the 19 b. 7-48 conflict and the creation of israel and the disenfranchisement dispersal and silent refugee had of palestinians. ever since the late 40s, which started first in iraq and syria and egypt, despite many good things that massive it when people remember and four, that issue created two of the most catastrophic dynamics that still haunts and shattered the arab
world today, which is ruled by a military men who are totally incompetent in running the government and the creation of ministries of information which are designed to close the minds of people, forbid them to use their full human faculties of discussion, debate, learning, speaking in becoming enlightened human beings. the creation of military rule in the information phenomenon which started in egypt in 1952 and continues today as well as many other arab countries. those two have been the most catastrophic things that have explained many of the problems of the arab world and why did these things happen in military people take over later in the 60s and 70s, especially in the late 60s and early 70s after the 67 defeat saddam
hussein, you could go across the region and name them one by one. these military men took over control of their countries and why did they start doing this in the late 60s and even the late 40s and 50s, but in the way in the late 60s and 70s they claimed it was the only way they could protect their countries from israel, protect palestinian rights and start a riot in development. and of course they were frauds. they could do this. they didn't do it. they weren't able to marshal their national resources for truly sustainable development. they do some great things in the world. the development of doctors, development of education for women, building infrastructure was very impressive in the 70s and 80s. the arab governments were not totally incompetent, that they have now shown to be a complete
yet without any exception unable to govern in a manner that achieves both sustainable socioeconomic development or true national sovereignty that allows their countries to achieve their full potential based on the rights and resources of people. not a single arab country has been able to do this and the pressures we feel today of really significant. 45% of the primary and secondary school. about 45% are not learning anything in school. we have a dysfunctional public education system and most of these people will drop out and therefore you have situations where, for instance, in egypt about 60, 65% of entrants to the labor market go into the informal sector. they cleaned the car window or carry a sack of sugar in the
marketplace for sleep somebody's doorstep or they have no protection, though minimum wage, no health insurance, no pension funds. they have no right. they are like donkeys. they were, they get three, $4 a day and they go home. this is not just high school. this is fathers and mothers of families. this is why in 2010-2011 you had this massive uprising the state of the affair was reached by millions and millions of people who were not able to achieve basic rights and we can trace this back unequivocally to the indirect consequence of the lack of palestinian rights being achieved in 47 and-48, the advent of military regimes and the continuation of that process. things are getting worse. they are not getting better. in the last five and a half years or so since the arab
uprising, 54 million arab americans have been born. 54 million new arab babies have been born in the last six years. the arab world couldn't even give health care to its people in 2010-2011. every year in egypt about 1.8, 1.9 million people are born. every year. almost 10 million egyptians as the uprising against mubarak. so the trend is frightening and the reason it is frightening to us because the arab governments despite the good things are totally incompetent at managing their countries and the fact that they continue to demand to exercise military rule under the guise of state parliaments and constitutions is clearly traceable to issues related to
palestine. part of the uprisings were due to the sense among large numbers of citizens that they'd never had efficacy nor the jvc, that governments are not able to provide that to provide that the defense of host and rights as men and women to defend than governments were not able to address the challenge of zionism to war or through peace. and therefore the degrading of the legitimacy of arab governments and regimes i believe was significantly influenced by their incompetent response to the challenge of zionism and israel over the years. the fact that the arab public cares deeply about palestine should remain as this issue will
not go away. when the palestine issue started and 47-48 when israel was created, there is about 750,000 palestinian refugees who forcibly left palestine. there is about the .5 million palestinians today. the act is done for palestine at the national level and the international level is far greater today than it ever was in the past 50 years. i will just add on to note that we need to keep in mind that the palestinian issues like what many people here will tell you an accurate all the time, unlike what they say that the palestine issue, really the arabs don't care about it than they are busy with the uprisings. the uprisings happened because
of incompetent or the arab regimes who were put in place in part because they used the palestine issue to take power. we need to keep these relationships very clear, therefore resolving the conflict, which is the oldest and most destabilizing and radicalizing force still today. the rest of the muslim brothers cover groups that have heavily, linked to their palestine. they are demonstrating because they don't want their government to buy gas from israel. there is something in our society. it's in our blood. there is something that tells people there is a problem and justice has to be achieved and we are on the record saying we want justice and equal rights state of insecurity for israelis
and palestinians simultaneously. that has been very clear and therefore we need to keep in mind these relationships between trends in the arab world, the uprisings that have been and were suppressed in what is going to come when 54 million new people are born every six years. thank you very much. [applause] >> this has been the issues that the hour, issues that day. this is for questions and answers that i would like to remind the audience of the few rules. first, anybody who wants to ask questions, please use the microphone. identify yourself to many association you might have been directly question to one of the panelists.
more importantly, we can't have lectures from the audience and editorials. we all have feelings that would like to express that this is the time to ask specific questions and address them to a specific panelists. we will chide to be inclusive, gender-neutral and everything else and then we will. i'm sure a few of you are hungry. i apologize for the heat in the room. we are trying to fix that. having said that, i would like to start on the right side and have the first one asked the question on the very far right. i do not we mentioned of course the other things like the kings crane commission and there's also the talk of the finest in
the league of nations. the commission appointed by wilson concluded and i have a conclusion right here at the national homeland for the jewish people is not equivalent to making palestine into a jewish state. the united states reject the jewish state pretty early and they showed a map that went out to the river which was 20 miles south of beirut which is only 10 miles. my question is why these two very pathetic and valuable documents not talked about today because they seem to apply very well to the situation and clarify the situation. >> unfortunately the report of the king crane commission was
shelved and nobody even looked at the time. they did some good work. it did send out public opinion and making the people gathering and verse five were not receptive to these ideas. they had their own agendas. and people like you, maybe other people today might look at this asked what could have been an important document. unfortunately, it had almost zero consequences in fact. and so, they were asked for tickets and justice for the arabs, but this was on the price of britain, for instance, to
satisfy and this took the form form -- and the king of iraq. again, this is connected with the issue of curbing french influence which were totally serious when fisa was thinking of iraq by doing this. so what we have is people in power are who are concerned with insurance and sometimes they opposed it just creates room for the achievement of some that are helpful to the arabs but other than that, in the case of palestine, palestine is the case that the mandate and which the function of the mandatory power
was totally frustrated. it wasn't carried out. they should have arranged for the palestinians to reach this stage of determination and the stage of governing themselves and to attain sovereignty at the same time the homeland meaning it plays for the could get together and establish their institutions and a land to which they have historic ties. so an iraq, and syria, and lebanon, the mandatory power it did much more than the british did in palestine. palestine was shortchanged totally.
>> thank you. m. benjamin, retired diplomat. if others would like to also comment. a lot of countries and different continents have been mentioned. but it there's been hardly a word about russia. maybe i missed it. russia is playing a greater role in the middle east. that's good relations with israel as good relations with the palestinians has a significant presence in the west bank, including the network company, which is russian owned. and it may be having better relations with the united states. prime minister meant that as i believe is now in the middle east, visiting his rail and palace time. please comment on the influence of russia in the palestinian israeli conflict. >> well, during the cold war you
had people in the arab world who are fresh over supported by russia with the u.s. said they were involved, but it's really proxies for a global contest. today this situation i think is very different. you know, russia has essentially supported autocrats in dictators to take same extent the u.s. patents. the u.s. doesn't even pretend to talk about democracy and rights and dignity. they just go in there and saw wires and achieve what they think is in their national interest. today their act in much more forcefully and with a lot more clarity and the clarity of aims in the middle east and the american. the russians by reestablishing stronger ties with the whole series of people of the region. turkey, iran, egypt, even saudi arabia.
their act deemed statesmanship that is very impressive at the practical level both a substantive level, i don't particularly want to live in a country like russia and they have a lot of problems in terms of how they deal with it their country and other people. they are not an attractive model, but they are certainly out in the united states of the western powers in much of the region. people do in a very mercantile business that they get something, these are not lovey-dovey long-term relationships based on any kind of shared values other than autocrats rule and the willingness to use force is in the area much more decisive than before and therefore there is a stronger position. i don't think they have a
long-term future. they will make deals that deserves them. they don't care about are people really. they care about russian people. the strength of their country and protect their interests. de la salle out to charlotte.if they can get something significant in return. they flip and flop and change policies. i mean, they are a big power acted like a normal date power. [inaudible] >> i'm going to ask you about another part of your scholarship , a binational state. faq to talk about your thinking
and how it could avoid being in an apartheid state. >> i wrote an article back in 1997 on this topic. i'm afraid nothing has changed to sway opinion away from this. i think the two state solution is to. you're not going to get a two state solution. what you're going to get is one stage in which the palestinians and the right tire derived the geneva convention. they don't have civil rights. they had filch political rights. they've allowed themselves determination to some extent but the question of sovereignty is totally out of the picture. if you have a one state
solution, the battle has to change. the palestinians have to acquire political rights. to acquire civil rights and they have to do it themselves. this is something israel cannot deny in the long run. you can't make people disappear. so either you're going to happen in trench apartheid regime, which is not possible in this day and age or dispel the palestinians, failing the only way is for palestinians to acquire these right what i mean that goes beyond citizens being
equal, means that palestinian arabs and both have certain political culture is a group that they have that tab their own culture, their own language ,-com,-com ma to be able to practice their traditions and how this guaranteed. this is quality not just for individuals. it's also equality for the two communities and rights that cannot be encroached on. >> just very quickly, two quick points. i think that many of us actually believe what exists now is a one state reality. it is an apartheid state. one government that controls to people with two separate sets of laws. it is the definition to the international covenants against the crime of apartheid. so the question then becomes, do
you want to divide this one state or do you want to have a civil rights movement for equality, anti-apartheid movement now. so that is one point. the second point is one of the things we've learned in the last 15 or 20 years, building the kids around palestinian rights is that some questions including the question of political arrangement is something that does belong to the people who live there and not to the solidarity movement to fight for rates. in an earlier iteration back in when i was first getting involved in palestinian work in the 70s and 80s, a lot of us were once state and others were to state or whatever. i've come to see at many of us have come to see that is wrong. it's not our call. i'm a jewish girl from california. what right do i have to say how many states there should be. it is not my call. in terms of what we do here, for
palestinians it is one of the fundamental questions. the first year, when this key is the struggle for right, equality whether it's in the form of one date with a form that she's this, our goal is to change u.s. policy to refuse to support apartheid as they are doing now and instead demand equality whether it's in one, two or 15 states. >> last question from the side, please. >> i want to ask a question about why the palestine academy support the regime and even the syrian role -- but still
somebody in the state department, and attack the syrian opposition and so on. i want to understand why. >> i don't think any of us are prepared to talk about that today. >> there are two things other meant the the audience. some panelists who have traveled under his lunch we need and i am being told -- i'll take the last question from the gentleman right there and we will go fine. to be a chance for you to ask questions during lunch i'm sure. >> and ronald wilson with the united nations refugee. my question is do you think that the palestinian issue that is currently and has been burning
for a long time is really a subset or a tool used by foreign policies to maintain the position of power, economically, politically, militarily and the middle east as it has pivoted toward maintaining this hegemon era also? >> who do do you want the question -- volunteers? >> i don't think so. i think if that is the united states and it's a big failure because the u.s. has had a very difficult to chew a shoe in the middle east. they've been fighting wars directly indirectly since 1981 since they first started helping the mujahedeen soviets in afghanistan. the u.s. has been fighting nonstop for 35 years across the middle east and south asia and warfare have become more vicious and more expensive drugs that special forces msn now.
there's still getting the massive pushback against the region and the regimes that are close to the u.s. are in deep trouble with a lot of their own people. therefore, the u.s. is not in a happy position in the middle to the middle east and obama understood in that out of date because it was only trouble for him. so dad is there and choose the palestine issue to keep their hegemonic control, they are not doing it very well. they preserve their position and all different things they want to. the war on terror since 9/11 has coincided with the biggest expansion in international terrorism in modern his jury and with no success except for preventing attack on the american mainland since 2001, other than that, but we'll were
on tariff and have not been received and it is much greater today than it was before. there is some truth to what you're talking about during the cold war. israel was considered a strategic asset for the united states, that israel managed to put down quiet that the soviet union and the cold war perspective, this was an asset for the united states. there was a change of thinking in the case of the 73 war, before about or said.was trying to get interested in a deal in the cyanide the israeli status quo didn't see any need for change. kissinger thought the situation was fine.
and then it clicked that there is a way he could turn egypt around, change it from the russian camp to the american camp. he got involved. and he rescued egypt's third army and concluded sinai one, cyanide two. the purpose was to get egypt on america's side and he did. so, i don't think israel really served in the united states interest in the sense that the arabs had turned to the soviet union did so because they didn't turn to the united states. israel was helping the united states solve a problem that it had created. >> thank you for being a good