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taking off our tuxedos and all that stuff, got back in our regular clothes and i went back up on the scaffold because i had to finish chandeliers and everybody else was hanging christmas leaves and putting up the christmas tree and all that kind of stuff but it was a wonderful experience. i just can't tell you how wonderful it was. >> the book is called "the white house chandeliers: my experienes while working for seven u.s. presidents", my experiences while working for seven us presidents. mister stevens worked at the white house from 1970 to 2002 . where can people find the book? >> well, we have it on our website which is stuart stevens senior .com. and we also have it in a
couple of bookstores and we are working to get into more bookstores and we go around to different places to sell our books so. >> you can find it online as well. >> you can find it online. >> thank you for your time, thank you for being with book tv and thank you for having us in your home. >> you are watching book tv, television for serious readers. watch any program you see here online at book tv.org. >>. [inaudible conversation]
>> good evening, i guess everyone didn't get the dress-up memo. if you'll excuse me, i have lots of events going on that i absolutely could not not be here because we are so thrilled that, to really welcome blanche wiesen cook. for those of you who haven't hada chance to see , i have the extraordinary privilege of being president of pincher college, this incredible institution of which of course the roosevelt house public policy institute is a part and it could not be more fitting that we are here tonight to celebrate this book from this author and on this subject in this house. as everyone sitting here ... [applause] >> as all of you know so well we are gathered here in the home that eleanor roosevelt shared with her husband and it's fair to say her mother
and law to. her mother-in-law for 25 years. from the front step until today, franklin and eleanor departed for the white house in 1923 for the glorious splendor of life in the white house and their unparalleled challenges of global war. and while the book we are debuting tonight takes place decades after when eleanor roosevelt became not just the first lady of the land but first lady of the world, it's fair to say that her activism and sense of justice not the least and women's rights and her quest for equal opportunity in civil rights were all commitments that were born and nurtured under this roof. here her consciousness was raised, elevated and her horizons widened and this was the headquarters that eleanor made such an indelible impact on her country and this planet. we are so fortunate that when franklin's mother died, eleanor decided to sell this house to the college and this
house was a home and inspiration, to eleanor roosevelt so this house, this home, this school was an incredible inspiration to the extraordinary author who we are celebrating and blanche, it is really an incredible thing to have you come back and celebrate your book and eleanor roosevelt's home. [applause] blanche of course has spoken here so many times but this is really the talk we've all been waiting for. it is the celebration of a long-awaited, we think final volume of her definitive three volume, you never know with blanche, biography of eleanor roosevelt. the first volume a new york times bestseller was published in 1992 when
someone named clinton was running for president . we've come a long way. at first, blanche wiesen cook took eleanor to the white house and seven years later in 1999, the second volume was here. in that book, blanche put eleanor and us to the brink of world war ii and revealed as never before the essential role eleanor played in her husband's administration. even when fdr not as blanche made clear followed evan eleanor's advice. i suppose we are lucky that blanche worked hard on the third volume and in the four presidential administrations that have comment almost nearly gone in the years since, wrote about how the house return as an essential part of hunter college, almost like we were waiting for you blanche, and we were able to celebrate it in book form to the place infused
with its spirit and one of the most beautiful porches upstairs. two blanche is beautiful prose, we follow eleanor through world war ii, franklin's death and her own public life including the founding of the un which is of course launched in the uptown campus in the bronx and of course eleanor's championship of human rights throughout the world in the years before her death in 1962. rarely has a biography so brilliantly and movingly depicted the intersection of historical figures in their private lives including a frank account of the conversation between eleanor and franklin as their relationship increased.as one critic concludes, she is to eleanor roosevelt what robert carol was to lyndon johnson. it is critical to know that your work during this election season, i think it's fair to say no one has followed in eleanor's footsteps and forged new
paths for first ladies like the white house and quite the way hillary clinton has done. while she cited eleanor as her inspiration nearly every step of the way, hillary has always open up how much is she saw eleanor roosevelt as one of her personal heroes, calling her a woman who was larger-than-life but always approachable. as much as tonight is a homecoming for eleanor, it is i'm proud to say a homecoming for blanche. blanche was president of the hunter college class of 1962, what asurprise , and one of the most accomplished alumni. she's enjoyed a long and illustrious career as a writer and like eleanor, as an activist and is now a professor of history at john jay college. in addition to her biography of eleanor she's the author of the classified eyes our on women in revolution among many other works. she's a familiar face not only at hunter for her many appearances in the
documentary the roosevelt but lance, i hope tonight will talk about your encounters with eleanor roosevelt at the college so as hamilton, we are in the room where it happened. [applause] blanche, of course we congratulate you and thank you for this incredible scholarship for making us so proud and for the quintessential hunter student and graduate. you can always tell hunter girl, but you can't tell her much and people say that was maybe written for blanche and others like bella absorbed so we will have to choose. join us in welcoming so many friends but the perfect shout out to the incredible roosevelt family which has stayed with us and helped us realize the dream of
transforming this home. whitney has always worked with us and how wonderful for you to have lou with you making this whole circle for our family. [applause] and also one of the great shout outs to women in great political courage, we have ed windsor in the room who is so much to so many of us, and an enormous thank you for your courage and stamina over the years. [applause] and finally, our own wonderful assemblywoman who is pushing ahead for so many things for new york city but in particularfor our neighborhood institution, hunter college , the wonderful becky light. without more ado, i wanted to have the nbc sunday morning book critic and the wonderful hunter college and our many book series in conversation
with the wonderful blanche wiesen cook. thank you so much. [applause] >> thank you president jennifer raab and thank you blanche for being here. as the president says, i personally have been waiting for this day since i met you, interviewing you when i worked at the new york times when the second volume was published so i'm glad i found another place to interview. but why don't we talk to begin with the story of your reading of eleanor roosevelt here at hunter and its as good a way as any to get into your life work and hers.>> thank you so much president raab for that wonderful introduction and to all the wonderful people here who are hunter connected and i just have to say, clarify that my
partner, my muse, my editor ... [applause] >> how lovely, i biography married to a dramatist, a playwright. i mean, really. and then all the way from california, hunter was the home of audrey lord, a very famous poet and all the way from california where my godchildren jonathan roland and judy rollins and i'm so grateful you are here, audrey's children and audrey got married at roosevelt house. [applause] and one more very quick connection, kate whitney and i got to be friends because of a man who
we both depended on for advice and vision, julius cca on stein and there's a little plaque for julius cc edelstein but at some point he introduced us and we had regular lunches and he's expanded my vision, my heart area julius motto and he was vice chairman of the university was very simple. it's better for everybody when it is better for everybody. and then also in this auditorium, judy lerner is here and judy was the editor of the student paper and bella was president in 1941
and president in 1961. i was vice president of nasa in 1962 and my junior year i was president of hunter college and we invited eleanor roosevelt to give a talk and she walked in and she electrified the room which was really quite amazing and she had a message for us. important things are happening in north carolina. [laughter]. that was her message and i was president and we took two buses to north carolina whereupon we got arrested and there was kind of a nasty person at hunter at the time, mary gambrell who was i think from alabama.and she wanted me to be suspended but met
every thought was a good thing so i wasn't. and there are hunter students here when i got to teach at hunter, there's my whole hunter gang. i can't tell you how grateful i am to hunter and then frank and jenks are here, thank you for my grandchildren. there's so many people in the room , my sister-in-law charisse . saving themselves for freedom which changed my life. forever. >> north carolina seems to be an important state again. imagine that, suing north carolina for all the voters. >> they invited me, i'm still here but denny tenant, i have a goddaughter and everybody
came, beth is here too. elizabeth rollins is here, all of our children are here. thank you. thank you, yes. >> one of the things that strikes me, first of all this is a three volume book . there's too much to talk about from the beginning of eleanor roosevelt's life to the end. i'm going to focus as much as possible on this book but we obviously have to get to themes of her life that you've explored through the three volumes. the thing that struck me about this book and the second volume in particular is the title i would give to both of those books is eleanor spike because it seems as it she has a vision that in many ways correlates with franklin, that builds
from franklin and it certainly is interwoven with it but then there's an additional thing that she sees which isn't always the politically expedient thing that he's looking for so if you could tell me a little bit about what animates eleanor roosevelt's vision in particular, both as distinct from franklin's ideas and also in the way in which they tie together? >> the question of what animates her is so important because eleanor roosevelt really identified with people in one, in need, in trouble and that really is all about her alcoholic family. her father died at the age of 34. how much do you have to drink? we've been drinking too much for a long time and we are lazy, >> some of us how much do you
have to drink to die 34? and what was that like so her mother died when she was eight, the century turning her face to the war, her father died and eleanor roosevelt had a great control to go to school in england and meet with mentors for those of us like hunter had mentors who make us what we are. she had the least and there was still no biography of sue and every semester i tellmy students , their biography has asked her rates and her biography has maurice claudette. so maurice was a great educator and she inspired eleanor roosevelt and her message was what do you think ?
what is your opinion? she didn't want anybody to repeatanything she said and if you wrote a paper that repeated what she said, she carried out . what's your opinion? that was eleanor roosevelt's lifelong journey. everywhere she went, tell me, what do you want? what do you need? and the goal was to make it better. to make it better for all people, especially people in the want, in need, in trouble so the new deal, think of it. the new deal confronted the depression with the goal of full employment. and the goal of affordable housing for everybody. for employment and affordable housing. and education, excellence, quality education for everybody. and eleanor roosevelt again in 1943 to talk about free
tuition. why don't we have free college tuition? and go at a time women, i mean, i was the first woman in the history department at johns hopkins. it was promulgated by waste and gender in our lifetime but eleanor roosevelt was fighting and she was fighting that beginning in the 1930s and i have this incredible speech she makes in 1934, may 1944 in which the educators of america passed a resolution. segregation had to go. it hurts children of color and it hurts white children
who are persuaded that they are somehow better when in fact they are not and the language of that resolution of 1934 is pretty much the language of brown versus board of education. whereupon eleanor roosevelt strived to cross the stage and give the speech but she wasn't expected to give. supporting this great event at the educators of america had opposed segregation and she said this is it, this is what we must do. we must recognize that we all go ahead together or we all go down together. and that is her theme to the end of herlife . >> and what's interesting in your books is that you quote her in letters o friends and family almost undermining,
not pooling her own political skills. she constantly underplays them as if she doesn't know politics and yet she really does on the evidence of your book and what i think is important is that while claiming that she's not an expert politician, she is really working both for and with franklin but also in a kind of larger weight around him. i was struck by the variations in the things that she would show him that those were her writings before, sometimes she would and other times she wouldn't so if you could talk about how she did that artfully because that kind of political calculation , what she shared and what she didn't that really works amazing things in the country , even if it was only
rhetorical visions, not always politically expedient. >> i think are great gift to us was a recognition that we needed to build a movement , okay? she understood that from the 1920s on. what we need to do is build movements and make the politicians see that support for these issues because there are the dixiecrat, there are the bigots, the democratic party is dominated by the southern democratic party and then there are greedy heads and eleanor roosevelt speaks against greed. she actually uses that word we must end agreed and encourage democracy. but you have to go door to door, block by block and she called it trooping for democracy and build movements and then we can have change and that was her contribution and i always say never go
anywhere without your gang so i always say never go anywhere without your gang but she never went anywhere without the women of the democratic party and the progressive folks who were her allies. fdr is much better at juggling as he had to negotiate those conservative realities but she didn't area and she wanted to organize movements and she did. >> i'd like to know really a little bit more about their political and personal reactions to one another over these conflicts because you do show in the three volumes how interconnected their personal and political lives obviously were but in ways that were satisfying to them
on occasion and often deeply dissatisfying to both of them , mainly for political reasons at other times's okay, so the bottom line is eleanor roosevelt actually says that fdr does not silencer and that they really do share a vision for what the goals of the endgame should be. they really share that vision. where they disagree is what is possible. how do we keep the republicans out of office, how do we keep the dixiecrat quiet , how do we juggle, you know, we need some advice here if we're going to do it. you know, some folks don't know how to do it. and she was respectful. the only time he really did silencer was on issues of
international reality where. >> why was that? can you give us some examples? the biggest and most touchy of course is rescue of the jews which is a major part and the silence, we are prepared volume 2 from 33 to 38 is beyond repair becomes silent beyond repair and in this volume , great tragedy and then again, there's no biography yet of the backlash, the pratt lashed who is an amazing hero in my opinion because she's part of the german underground, these american friends of german freedom and it's really tutor who makes the rescue operation which is the only
rescue operation that is successful before the war in 1940 and let me just say that one of the things that this book happens because of joe lash who, well, it happened because of kate simpson. kate sent me books to review when i was working on eisenhower and i would say that is very nice because it took me a long time to research eisenhower in a place called abilene kansas and abilene kansas is a dry state, you can't even get wine with dinner. that's a problem but i got to be good friends with the local sheriff who had single malt and so i would leave the library and go play with the sheriff and we would shoot
guns and drink. and kate sent me books i like to see how academic work really gets done this went on for a long time and kate would send me books to review and one book she sent me was this nasty little book on lorraine hickok, hick who couldn't stand what she was reading, she couldn't stand it and said these letters couldn't possibly mean what they seem to mean. so when i got back, i called joe and joe and i had gotten to be friends. this is a book that should stay in print forever and we get to be friends with people who blurred your books. >> joseph lash wrote eleanor and franklin. >> and wrote then subsequently three other books to great extent
biographers and i said, you're not having hick even mentioned anywhere in your book and he said i hated her. let's talk about it. so we had dinner and the reason she hated her was that she was a bigot. she was a racist and she was very rude to joe and one of the books that i don't deal with specifically in the book is all the jealousy, i didn't deal withit because neither did eleanor roosevelt. she ignored all the jealousy that was swirling around the gang . >> it was wonderful, they're all having dinner together living at the same house together. >> they all hated each other, right. and the bottom line, so joe, joe said why don't you do it? and i was there, a military historian from johns hopkins
in the inner-city. and you know, i said don't be silly. i do quality history. i actually, she would forgive me but i was doing diplomatic and military history so hey, she said you are wrong and he took me to hyde park and we went through papers and joe had been the good son. anything eleanor roosevelt wrote, anything she didn't want to do, she said i don't care about power. and he wrote that she didn't care about power. so then i knew, there's a little floor here. my eisenhower book was just out in 1981, i was looking for something else and i said okay, i'll do it for the centennial . and i'd be done.
that wouldbe nice. 1984, that was my thought. it didn't happenthat way, right ? but . >> this year, the original update was october 11, for eleanor biography which turned out to be yom kippur. >> really quick didn't know that. but the bottom line is that joe died in 1988. he didn't read the book trudy was friends, she called me up and said i hate your book. and of course what she hated was the hick story !. >> why don't you tell us a little bit about what you say in the book about it that made trudy hated and made many people think it was a wonderful book, other people disagree with its. >> well, trudy i don't think wasa homophobe i just think she hated .
and so she just hated how important hick was to eleanor rooseveltand as i say in the book , which she may not have always had a cigar but in the northeast corner of your mouth, that's always the northeast corner and we don't know what happens, the doors are closed, the shades are drawn, i don't go therebut we have the evidence . even though hick destroyed so many of the others, we know she sat before the fire at her home in connecticut and just burn hundreds of letters that were too specific and we've also lost all of earl miller's correspondence which is a great loss. >> earl miller? >> earl miller, i think everybody should look at the
photo of earl miller in volume 2. i created a new category, why not? even that eleanor had to deal with franklin, other women that he had who, her junior wife, she always admired and treated with respect and love is a junior wife but then there's earl miller who was her escort and companion and they have fun together, they ride horses together and shoot together, swim together and that's all i know they do but so there's that. but other papers have appeared and joe had said there were lots and lots of families which all of a suddendisappeared around 1982, nobody knows why or how . >> what you're saying really is that your books prove from
the biographer himself or the last biographer who recognized the gap in his own book and wanted them filled by another historian, another biographer nd that's a really inspirational force. >> it is and joe, after the centennial joe gives a speech in which he says eleanor roosevelt is infinite and there's been a lot of criticism about how the epilogue condenses the last postwar years of eleanor roosevelt life into eleanor roosevelt's legacy and i don't deal with even the cause of her death, the friendships or i don't so eleanor roosevelt is infinite and as joe said, i think there will be lots of people doing lots of things . >> future historians have a lot of instruction from you. the last years of eleanor roosevelt by estuary
biography. and there was another person i met, i can remember that that person's name, oh, susan pratt. >> the last visit i had, no question, on to his death in martha's vineyard i said nobody ever gives you credits for the rescue operation because she's never even mentioned in the rescue operation. she banged her fifth on the table and said i don't like that and i said i'm going to write it. so tell me the story. and she said, well, it was to protect her family and at first i thought it was to protect her children and then i realized that was crazy because joe was writing about her divorce and their three children she had.
he didn't protect the children and then i found out from the children who departed in 10 boxes of books in our signing room which is really eleanor's room, it's not been our dining room for a very long time. >> pretty soon it will be again. >> yes it will, ipromise . so that it was to protect her family. she had two brotherswho fought here and two brothers who fought their . the interconnection is interesting. she got a phd from the university of freiburg in 1931 and got the job at hunter to teach at hunter so she came here and she was very involved with the international service which was this rescue operation for all kinds of students in trouble everywhere and she met elliott pratt was a progressive, one of the richest men in america, pratt
institute, pratt oil and they fell in love and she goes back to berlin to write an anti-nazi paper in 1932 and the nazis destroyed her office, tell her friends, her houses destroyed and invaded. hitler comes to power in january 30 three. they leave in february and they are back here. they got married in berlin in 1932 and so she had two brothers here, two brothers who fought there and a sister who was such a nazi, she was never mentioned and so that's what she meant and so trudy's work was the german underground and she and elliott pratt go back in 1936 during the nazi olympics and
get dozens of people out. it's really an incredible story in its own right one of the things that's so important is these people in eleanor's life is two things, you show in the books her commitment to young people in particular so i'd like you to say a little bit about that but also the wide circle of friends who often didn't like one another or were jealous of one another. it seems like they all spent as you made clear and as eleanor knew about herself that she had a great loneliness and she often made, amazingly to us reading about her life, felt herself useless and not having achieved any given moment what it was that she wanted but this loneliness that she had and that she kept around her , her friends kept the
loneliness at bay which was another reason she kept herself so busy so if you can speak about the link between her loneliness and her commitment to you and her political vision that sums up a lot of what your book is about. >> that's so interesting really, she really was lonely. she had this hole in her heart that was never filled. and she was a serial romantic. she would go, she would adopt somebody like paulie in the new biography, this one called the firebrand and have these wonderful black activists who eleanor really saw that she was the great organizer and the great firebrand and really promoted her and they became very close. and paulie murray was all
waste shot that eleanor roosevelt invited her to her home, had her for dinner with other people. there was that. and eleanor's joke prove that and there was just this endless number of people, the american youth congress kids and then her old friends, and why after lady was so important area esther and elizabeth reed were like eleanor roosevelt political mentors . so esther is really involved with american medicine and she wants what we now call single-payer, a single-payer health player care plan where everybody is covered, just the way it is done in most of europe, the eu and she wanted that beginning, it was
supposed to be in the social security act of1935 . and then, eisenhower called on esther lake and eleanor roosevelt to help him with what he thinks is going to be a really good medical plan which becomes medicaid, medicare but the ana lobby gives the best and he gives the pen that he signs in 1957 in the medical law to esther who waives it in front of the press and she says now, this represents just a puny little bone in the vertebrae of what i had in mind. and she continues to fight for what would be single-payer until she dies at the age of 100 in 1982. and here we are with.
>> barely any more bones on that vertebrae. >> with an extra bone on the vertebrae, really. but there's just no single-payer yet. and the white house doctors you on healthcare going to form a union, they would encourage them to form a union and go on strike. >> so the loneliness was a result, you said at the beginning of her childhood and she was the daughter of a great alcoholic and her mother died just before world war ii began. at the same time, roosevelt died. and that moment seems to both obviously depressor but liberates her in a certain sense as world war ii gets underway, almost as if we
have fewer inhibitions about what she can do vis-c-vis franklin and even on the world stage, the war is underway but she travels widely around the world after that and you can say something about her international travels as the eyes and ears of franklin as she had done domestically in the new deal.she once again feels that even though she's doing this, somehow it's shunting her aside even though she is doing this great diplomatic work with the armed forces. it's striking how different her own view is of what she's doing from what it seems is actually being accomplished on a day-to-day basis. >> she had wanted first in 1940, eleanor roosevelt and ann hall downing, she wanted a job. she wanted to go to europe and become a columnist.
>> she felt jealous. >> she wanted to become a journalist and report from the front. then she wanted a job and she thought she could be a diplomat. and because she spoke so many languages and french, german. i don't think she spoke spanish. but the bottom line is she really thought she could do some wonderful work andshe didn't get a job . and then he seemed to send her away when he's meeting with people she doesn't want. he doesn't want her to interfere with like churchill and so she goes first to england and that's an amazing trip and everybody is astonished, i think that everybody should read that chapter. >> read the whole book. >> in england, during the war
during the height of the brits greed, during the height of madness and eleanor roosevelt, that's amazing . it's totally amazing. >> all the soldiers, they want to say something about it. the book is just so touching and moving. >> she really does, she really does visit every single military hospital and speaks to every single wounded officer and she doesn't just say what is your name and write, she gets their home address to write to their parents and she gets their stories and she gets what's personal and she spends time with everybody. and the other thing she does is, she really protests the cruelties of segregation.
the obscenity of segregation on military bases everywhere. and then there's people really into like this incredible story, she goes into an african american canteen. she goes in and sees a soldier eating ice cream and she says, may i have a bite of your ice cream cone? and she takes it and she bites it and gives it back and says now, that didn't hurt at all, did it? but it's that kind of thing that, i mean, she's amazing and she created friends wherever she went and i think we don't realize to this day how long segregation in the military and segregation in the military and in general endured. it was eisenhower who by
executive order just inundated every single military base, truman said he was going to do it but he couldn't and eisenhower fired every kernel who wouldn't integrate and then folks don't know, this was segregated, black and white, christian and hebrew during world war ii and ike since 1958 issues an executive order to integrate the plaza, 1958 and the head of the red cross hose one of his great military buddies, a former general rights ike, you can't do this. the south doesn't want integrated blood and ike said well, they won't get any blood. it's done. leadership.
>> one of the things that i've always found so moving about eleanor roosevelt biography is she did a lot of autobiographical writing. but it's so frank. it's almost impossible to believe that it published in the late 40s or 50s, that she was as honest as she was about her relationship with franklin, about her view of franklin roosevelt and i've always been hot and you quote almost on the last page of your book, is her conclusion about what kind of wife and what she was able to do for him. >>
have this on-again, off-again. but she does recognize that he's not always happy. it's interesting when hall -- there is a moment when the children notice that sgr really is very warm and embracing and at that moment when the two were and are in mourning, perhaps we could get back together again. eleanor doesn't want to. no way. i have an independent life now and i'm going to keep that independent life now. and you have messy and not sign. but there is that one moment where there could've been another mma. the house was the partner and
she was writing a daily column. she had a radio show. she's out there, out and about and that feels her heart. somebody said people were her first love. >> and not individuals. the people were her first love. >> i would like to ask you before we go to questions from the audience about your work as a biographer for all of these years since joe lasher showed the papers that would be the basis of your book. miranda hickok. those were so controversial among reviewers who often didn't like the books and misread them
it seems to me. when i read the first line in particular, as you say you are laying out that this is the evidence. this is what he said in the letter and yet you're not cleaning for you as your conclusions. and so, the books seem to love him so much more. have you thought differently about the reaction to the first volume in particular and do you think other historians have not differently about what you did question eric that's my first question. and then i have one more. >> i think the world has changed so dramatically in our lifetime so that we could get married. imagine that. we were all in the closet one. audrey and i taught a class at john jay.
it was the first women's studies class in the 1970s. the girls and the bars are packed. they are teaching this course they invaded then the cops and police officers started bringing their mothers and so they got to be huge and astonishing. we were posing as divorced. but we routed. and then we had the academic meeting. the president of john jay in the elevator the day after i'd gone rebels. said you had a great meeting. from the 70s to the 90s, we
all went very slowly. and now there's a straight woman who was just on a new book on eleanor and headache and she's a straight woman or a course she crowded for shape or. otherwise hit. look at all the letters you write to me. everybody likes to know how you spend your day. in 1936 and from that moment on. it's really just traveled a very wonderful road to this moment and there is backlash and the men running for the trump fight
this one of the nastiest, biggest on issues in our history. should i say i'd like to give alan r. roosevelt life. i sent this to hillary clinton. you cannot take anything personally. you cannot bear the grudges. you must finish the day's work casework is done. you cannot get discouraged too easily. you have to take your feet over and over and it goes on. winners who are willing to be leaders must stand out and be shot at more and more. they are going to do it and more and more they should do a. but remember, she added every
woman in public life to develop skin as tough as rhinoceros hide. [applause] >> before we go to questions from the thing i wondered as he worked on the hook for these three volumes herbert 30 years and the question that i wonder about his did your ideas about eleanor roosevelt changed so that things that are in the first and second volume, for example, you would do differently now argue it back and say there's things i missed. i didn't lay them out properly all the way through. i'd like to see how you think of your own work at the end of it and what might be done differently if you knew about what he found at the end so you
could talk about it at the beginning. >> that's a great question. let me just say, eleanor roosevelt never stopped growing and changing. as one goes chronologically, she's always surprising surprising. there's always something new and she always knew about it. but now the issues have changed. eleanor roosevelt really despised the u.s. prison system. and here we are with more people incarcerated than any other country in the world. eleanor roosevelt would visit women in prison. she would go to the prisons and write articles and say i could than anyone of the women on the inside. i always wondered if that meant she too could have killed her husband.
i never ago. last month the bottom line is we should not have prisons. she was lovely now called restorative justice. we need counseling. we need medical programs. renamed social work and we need solid for a minute -- full employment and quality education. at one point she sat i could give you full employment and 100% literacy. one teacher, five student. it's that kind of vision that she had and that she went around. and then the school was the kind of reform school for wayward
children. she encouraged music and sports. what do children need? they may children in sports. here we live in a moment where we are close enough in public schools. first of all closing public schools. back in a ball, ending and sports programs. this is an atrocity. and so i'm happy to say that unions have been protesting and of course the music and sports to have 100% literacy and full employment and spending more time on the opposition. >> said there are issues that developed over the last 30 years that use the she was really a visionary about. that's a wonderful way of ending and why the last part of the book is under legacy.
>> and that she wanted human rights and dignity, meaning full employment, economic security, housing, education, jobs for everybody. at one point, she's told she she shouldn't support the economic and social rights and she says to truman, you can't talk human rights to people who are hungry. and if you want me not to support us, but truman says no, no, don't resign. follow the convictions said the u.s. support the entire package. but it's supposed to be united with economic and social rights with civil and political rights with the compromise she agreed to it that i regret. i'm sure she regretted in the
u.s. has to this day not even have one conversation about economic and social rights. jimmy carter brought up the universal declaration of human rights during his administration . it has not ratified. as george herbert walker bush, who after the soviet union collapsed to support the civil and political causes that the university declaration of human rights. for most of the world supports both covenants, but we don't. there is a group that is fighting to get economic and social rights positive on the agenda and if hillary is elected, they will try to have hillary be the one to ratify the economic and social rights
covenants. >> the unfinished work of eleanor roosevelt, i think at that moment we should stop and open it to questions from the audience. thank you, blanche. [applause] we have a microphone that will go around. there's someone at the back. >> jonathan. >> obviously, franklin died and 45 before the cold war really began. and so, in crowded eleanor and silenced reconciled the imperatives of cold war realpolitik and the bedfellows that output america with, with her commitment to universal
human right? >> alan r. roosevelt actually became a bit of an anti-communist. i mean, very vigorous anti-communist. she said we have to keep talking with each other and she would invite soviet members of the delegation to her home for dinner, for lunch. we have to keep talking to each other. we don't want war, but she didn't trust the soviets at all and a lot of negotiations are support this if you support.. so the university declaration of human rights get past and the soviet abstained over some issues that they don't vote against it.
and that was her juggling. does that answer your question? >> the microphone -- >> one of the founders of women's rights for peace. [applause] >> wait a minute, i just want to say -- >> know, use the microphone because it is being recorded. >> i said i've been angry and hollering and screaming and working for all the things that we can never seem to get. this country is a disaster. i don't know how you can feel so closeted about, you know, eleanor is wonderful.
but why don't we have more eleanor is today? why don't we have more activity and distress and anger it today? all the young people today are quiet. they are busy with their ipad. >> blanche, is this a question you can answer? >> maybe other people can answer it, younger people. but i feel very encouraged. eleanor roosevelt always said it is politically incorrect. so i believe that. and i feel very up domestic case i think black lives matter is a movement. i think that our student -- i had a class the first day of class. last semester they were out for bernie. they went instead are you going to take us to the park? i said what do you mean come its class. we want to go to the park for
bernie so they know why. they are all generous. go into the park for bernie. this semester they were all for bernie. they didn't want to vote. i persuaded them that they had developed because we could push hillary clinton to the progressive fold that we made to push every native movement. we don't want a man who looks like mussolini and sounds like hitler. we need a movement. so by the third part i think i did persuade them. but they are so bitter as an common dreams.org, they read it every day. they come in with lots of things to argue about. i feel very hopeful and i feel very hopeful about the move and better organized everywhere. i feel frightened by the call to
fascism and violence that we are seeing coming from those people and it's a very scary moment i agree with you. it is frightening, absolutely frightening. i want to say a word about john edgar co. v. e-mails, you know, how many million homeless people, 30 million homeless americans and over half of the number of homeless americans are veterans and nobody's talking about homeless americans. then there are all of the incarcerated then there are all the unemployed. and we are talking about e-mails. john egger huger hated roosevelt
her fbi files with regard through the freedom of information act are unbelievable. he hates her personally and he called for that old cow. the locale is at it again and she has friends who are communists and the old cow meeting with the communists. now every civil rights leader, like virginia, all the great southern whites and integrationists was attacked by john at her hoover and called communists. who else would be for integration because that's a communist. >> so you're hopeful. >> and hope will, but who promoted this man to the fbi?
what's he doing here? and why is he doing that and why isn't he being removed instead of her, hillary clinton being hounded. it's really aggregating in my opinion. [applause] >> a question from upstairs about eleanor roosevelt. is there a microphone? we are bringing you a microphone. thank you. >> well, blanched it to me 54 years ago what i hope hillary will do to trump. i was the runner-up. i ran against her at the hunter in 1961 because my brother said lynch has nobody running again
sure. that is undemocratic, even if you have to run against her. i said i like blanche. i want blanche to win. he said that it's democracy. you have run against her. >> did you run a very bad campaign on purpose? >> he did. he ran for president of the bronx. i ran against blanche after my brother, they had the elections the same day. my brother probably came home and he said his campaign was for may 1st and he lost by one vote, his own. i however prepared a speech that blanche could be maybe proud of and not ashamed of when she was running against me. there were 3000 faces in the audience. i was not a happy camper. lynch, i was so glad she won. you cannot know how loud she was and how if she was.
my question, is for blanche, and i have a comment about my brother's relationship with eleanor roosevelt. my brother and i went to her mother. we were students at hunter. and we said mom, we are signing up to go on the freedom rides. she said do you have to? it's very dangerous. we said mom, that is the way you raised us. she said you are right, you have to go. never been so proud of my mother and my life. lynch, how did your parents react? >> they were supportive. and it's not because they didn't love us. >> they thought it was the right thing to do. okay now my brother and i when we were at hunter and many of
blanche and minds mutual friends started an organization called students for a democratic society. citizens for democratic society where we would have all the colleges in new york city colleges who are and why you, what better, the group in support candidate that we felt would represent what roosevelt, eleanor roosevelt represented. we supported those candidate. the cognitive tammany hall that was still around. we've got a lot of really excellent candidate elect did because we worked hard. but here is his meeting. we needed somebody on our board to give us credibility. and my brother heard that
eleanor roosevelt was going to be on television. so he went early and she was on stage and he went out to say hello to her and talk about art are up and her perhaps been on the boards that the villagers came. please sit down and talk to me about it. and then the lights went on and he was on television. and she introduced him on the show when he got to participate and at the end she said not only will i sign up, but i going to have senator lehman sign all so. just an amazing woman. thank you for writing those incredible books. thanks so much. the books are incredible.
>> we have time for one more question. >> i notice you call 1933-1938 and newer volumes of the of finders for eleanor. my sense is they were also defining uris for franklin. i wonder if you have any in sight as to how he moved from the 1933 frank lindh to the name team 88 franklin in your work and writing. >> i think that as the new deal unfolded and as you saw what was possible, especially about housing and four for insecurity,
there were so many changes that were wonderful to her as henry wallace said he was very. so i think that fdr -- the editor called about the defining years. but i think that was asked and it really is who can we be? what can we be in this country? can we really be a democracy? can we have opportunity for everybody, housing for everybody, education for everybody and that became the book. it became franklin's goal and eleanor's goal and i think there was some effort to make that happen during the height of the
new deal and it was eleanor roosevelt who really users of the bull for the g.i. bill of rights. education for everybody. real opportunity. this has to have been. reagan defunded anti-dog so much in the reagan resolution is really terrific and they are factor in the neoliberal wet is that moment, but i think it is a new movement are of warning and we just have to continue to fight. it is never over until it's over. ..
>> once again, thank you. >> thank you. [applause] >> locum to scottsdale on booktv. located just east of arizona's capital city of phoenix it was foundefound by u.s. army chaplan winfield scott in 1894. today it has a population of about 236,000 with tourism is the largest economic driver. with the help of our cox communication cable partners, for the next 90 minutes we will learn about the areas history and literary seeing as we interview local authors and visit independent bookstores. >> scott still has one of the largest civil war round tables so we have people interested in the civil war. we do have people who come from out of