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could say, no, we don't think you should be raid rates build white family members. we don't the a pregnant mother should be able to give her child up for adoption a white family. so a lot of these decisions are made deliveredly for ain't chink -- differently for indian children than other races. this case are not being decided in the best interests of the child, which is the standard for any other case. they're being decided what are in the best interests of the tribe. so those are some of the rights that i think are really being -- aside from in the economic rights i was talking about, the economic freedom those are some of the rights that american sunsets have that a lot of american indian does not. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org.
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>> good evening. welcome. my name is ed mcmap and i want to welcome -- no, i'm kidding. i'm mitchell cap lynn on. behalf of all at the book fair i want to welcome you to the 33rd miami book fair. how many of you is this your third night here? quite a few of you. this has been a remarkable become fair and couldn't come at a better time to be honest. we had trevor noah, then we had james carville and if you didn't see allen coming culping he was remarkable remarkable and then jerald geraldine books who was track and tonight we have a special guest. as many of you know it takes a village to put this book fair on, and i want to thank everybody here at this remarkable college of miami-dade
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college for owning their doors and sponsoring this and being the heart and soul of this become fair. so let's give them a pick rousing applause. [applause] >> i was going to say we also have a journalist -- two journalists speaking with one another. also want to thank the remarkable coverage that all the journalist have given us, particularly "the miami herald" led by n book critic, connie, and i want to thank connie. it's not easy these days being a journalist where you have to file three our stories, an online story, print story, and do it all before like 11:00. it's crazy but we thank her for the great coverage we have gotten. i also want to say that we have started a group called the literotti society and that been
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a very, very important part of the book fair. if any of you want to learn about it you can speak to lisa better or you can speak to the whom whom i'm below about to introduce who will be introducing our guest. she is a seasoned real estate professional with significant project management and strategy skills honed over 20 years while leading organizations in both professional and volunteer capacities and also has a deep knowledge of travel-hospitality, harts and culture industries. prior to her own firm, she owned her strategy and marketing expertise in rolls at nonprofits, economic institutions, startups and for fortune 500 companies and mentors starups and participates as a 10% entrepreneur. an avid cheer led nor city's business and cultural scene and
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is committed to helping shape the city's changing landscape. having emerged as a legal in many local arts, education and civic organizations. she is also been, as i said, the proud founder of miami book fair's literotti society and has been a huge supporter of everything we do in this literary world of us so give here a big, big miami book fair welcome. >> thank you so much. mother. >> thank you so much i sunday 0 much better on paper nine in my head. good evening. welcome again to the third night of the book fair, or what i like to call the best week in miami. applause applause. >> that deserves a round of applause. as mitch said my names flreenca
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and i'm here representing the literott i society. it miss great pleasure to introduce maureen dowd. best selling author, pulitzer prize winner and columnist. it's safe to say nat any of our author here this week would be frilled to have one those titled. the signature style and schapp credit -- sharp critique of both said my have not made her friends politically but have brought her acclaim. we are lucky to have her with ups one week after us were counting votes and we were with my eight-year-old dour and she had blue and red pencils we colored in the electoral college map and has a lot of questions. and maureens a latest book is pie the year of voting
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dangerously." a collection of her insend area takes and take downsom the presidential race, which i think we can all agree was probably the most bizarre, disruptive and divisive race of modern political history. she is hear in conversation tonight with map we all recognize by name and by voice, if not by face, mr. tom hudson, who runs the wrn -- florida roundup. know we have lot of of gonzalez our audience tonight, not just cecelia's so mess hem me welcome the incomparable maureen dowd. [applause] >> welcome battie become fair0. "a year of vote dangerously" ill we survive. >> i don't know.
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william goldman, famous screen writer did bush cassidy and the sun -- dance kid, hat a famous line about hollywood, nobody knows anything. that's the line we have to think of when we think of washington now because we have a lot of people on tv, 24 hours a day, trying to tell us what is going on, but trust me, no one knows what is going on. nobody knows what is coming, especially donald trump. he doesn't -- he i dumb-founded, stunned to find himself there. he -- you can see it in his face. and so we're all in for an incredible ride here. >> i've heard it described as the dog who caught the bus. now what does he do? hold on? >> it's interesting you bring up the dog metaphor because one of
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trump's biographers, tim o'bryan, used to work with me at the times, had a wonderful metaphor for why trump won this week. he said that a lot of people on the left think that the press didn't explain who donald trump was or wasn't hard enough on him, but that wasn't it. what happened was, as tim said, all of these voters in hard-hit swaths of the country really wanted a rottweiler to rip the face off washington. so, sometimes when donald trump had unsavery characteristics, that just persuaded these vote he was more of a rottweiler. so they loathed washington more than they didn't like his behavior. you know, i think it was -- i wish i had brought this -- in the high '60s disapproved
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of -- he had an -- when he won the presidency, his unpopularity rating was historic in the high 60s, over 70%. >> host: which president? >> guest: is this trump when he won. over 70% disapproved of how he treated women in the 60s but didn't have the temperment to be president but they voted for million anyway, not because they didn't know who he was but he knew whoa he was and he was their rottweiler. they decide it takes a chief to catch a thief. >> i describing that's as a repudiation of 30 years of the political class. you have seen this with your own brother and sister hospital. do they explain -- >> more than my brother and sister. all my nephews. i come from a very conservative family, and in the book, before we knew this was going to be the outcome, i had my sister and
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brother write essays about why they were voting for trump or trying to vote for trump, and it's very interesting to read them because you can tell what paul ryan must have been thinking through the campaign. that he was muzzled and will stay muzzled now for quite some time. but if you read their essays you can see because my brother, after the khan, the gold star family when trump inset assaulted them he called me and said is it too late to kill my essay in and my brother thinks he is the ernest hemming we were of the right so for him to want to kill an essay is rare. said, no, it's already shipped to book stores. then my sister kept jumping on and off every time he insulted heidi crews, she -- heidi cruz and she said she wouldn't vet
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for him and i told him and he apologize for that. then she decided he couldn't vote for him again when the stayed up all night tweeting about miss universe, after the debate. she is like, why isn't he talking about the economy or terrorism? why is he talking bat woman who gained 12-pounds? and so then in the end, she went back and forth but she didn't vote for him but my brother and nephews did vote for him. this is what i've said to people. my fellow columnists have gone out on these kind of margaret mead expelled -- expeditions to find this rare creature known as the trump voter and try and understand them and reason with them, and they always all end up at the same coffee shop in paris, kentucky. and one of them actually put out an open letter, trump voter, please come forward, so i can read e reason with you. and now they're saying, when you
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go home for thanksgiving, you have to reason with them and obviously they don't know these people because my family has never asked my opinion bullet politics in my whole life. not at thanksgiving of any other time so it's going to be tough for those who think they're growing to bring people around with one conversation. >> i want to ask you about donald trump. you covered him for many, many years. there was a column you include in this book written one year before election days, written on november 8, 2015. and it relates to a lunch you shared with trump in the trump tower, and you quote him as saying to you, i'm a solid stable person. i'm a man of great achievement. i win, maureen. always win. not october -- knock on wood i win. i beat people, i win. who is the trump you know?
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>> well, trump from the time he got to -- he -- so he has been -- his father was a builder of middle class housing in queens and brooklyn, and as a young man trump always looked across at manhattan and saw it as oz. he wanted the skyscraper and the super model wisdom sky, high legs. that's what wanted so the came expert stead hanging out at yankee stadium with george steinbrenner lee iacocca and this goo who was the fur 'er to a stars and another guy who was the limousine king, all larger than life new york figures, roy cohen and cary grant so he fashioned this larger than life fishing on them but in day he was polite and he can go tis stick cal in this group offing egos and that is when he created that character.
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then the created another character on the apprentice of the judicious boss who made wise but firm editions and then on the campaign trail he heard the roar of the crowder when he heard -- first with the bigger thing and then with his bigots statements about mexicans and building the wall and he heard the roar of the crowd and he followed that. i asked him once, this person i see in the primary is nothing like the person i covered in new york all those years. and he thought about and it he said, well, i guess i got to number one by saying these things so i thought i should keep saying them. and so basically he is a salesman and he found this vietnam vacuum in the -- this vacuum in the market and created the product for that vacuum. that's why none ourself know where he is going now because
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his only value is winning. his ideology is his ego. >> i want you to describe his office. to this crowd ump i've seen his office and interviewed donald trump. want you to describe that. you describe it in a few of the columns. because that could be perhaps an indication of that personality, of which character he wants to portray. >> well, you know, as you know i'm from washington. i was born there. so, i've seen plenty of narcissists. but i have never seen narcissism at a level of donald trump. so you go in his office and every single wall space is covered with magazine covers. framed magazine covers of himself, and the only thing on his desk is a stack of magazine covers of himself. and -- >> jut u just paint the picture.
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space between the frame is that much. it's not as if it were family photos. it's as if it were wall paper. >> he has some sports pair fer nailan has mike tyson's championship built but it's mostly -- and like an infinity mirror of his face, and so i did ask him in an interview once, i said, this summer, said when you get to the white house, that brings out a lot of narcissism because there's the photographer who follows the president around and takes pictures of him every minute of every day. and then they put those pictures all over the walls of the white house, and now they have digital frames so they're running pictures in loops and said you're already like that. so when you get there, and it's more intense than you're surround by sick sick opants even more do you then there
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would be a narcissist explosion we could all see on pennsylvania avenue. how would that work? that's when he said, i know how to behave when guy to palm beach, at mar-a-lago and can go to din with mat trains and they think i'm a politically correct young man. they're older than he is. >> you're save to sea do save to say that in miami-dade. what about the coffee shop in paris, kentucky. can re go there? >> well, you know, donald trump won for the oldest of political reasons. he listened to the voters. when he listened -- he heard that anxiety and paid attention it. it's interesting because it's come out now that bill clinton tried to warn the clinton
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campaign for more than a year. he is the world's living expert on this group of voters, that his wife lost and he tried to say to them, you have to pay more attention, and robby mook, hillary's campaign guy, a 35-year-old big data guy and he -- they laughed at bill clinton and they said, oh, he's -- the paging -- that's the old way. the new way is obama's voter base and so on. and now we have had two democrats who lost basically because they d. listen to bill clinton. when are they going to start listening to him? >> so what does secretary clinton do next? what what does she say to the mesh people beyond the concession speech if she should say anything at all? >> guest: i don't know. i'm sure she can -- she is going to have a whole new chapter, and
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i'm sure she'll have a wonderful job. she is going to end up winning the popular vote by a couple million. >> two million plus right now. >> and as al gore, saving the planet, i'm sure she will take her passions and do something wonderful with them. and someone -- our chief political correspondent was saying today the fact that she is winning the popular vote, by so much, will make it hard for trump because he'll always be seen by a lot of people as a little bit illegitimate. [applause] >> just a little bit. just a little bit. you told charlie rose that you used to call strategists, political strategists to understand campaigning but this campaign as forced in your word to tall them shrinks. what have they told you?
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>> well, trump has done something we have never seen and this is why a lot of people are scared partly in the field of foreign affairs, because he zubaydah jew gaited -- subjugated the history of the republican party on russia, the evil empire, to his own evil. so he got a compliment from putin and then hey changed his stance of the republican party and you would see republicans going on tv trying to grapple with this and not knowing how to, and we have a wonderful reporter called steven lee mires who did a great biography of putin and said the word putin used when he complimented trump was mistranslated. the whooshed died not mean brilliant. it meant gaudy.
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so trump changed the entire stance upside-down of his party based on a mistranslation. and now he and putin and he and assad are going forward based on this weird thing where he can be completely malleable if he is given a compliment. sun was saying after the got in a fight if with kellyanne con away during a campaign, how should she get back on his good side and someone who knew him said you just give him seven compliments in a row really fast. so the dynamic you're going to see in washington with mitch mcconnell and with putin and assad is they all think they can influence trump, and even president obama is doing this -- by flattering him and so everyone is going to be platterring him -- flattering him and trying to lead him as
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though he is a host body for their plans, so that's what you're going to see in the coming months. >> that mistranslation, was it's big league mistranslation or a big lead mistran layings, i'm not sure which. let's talk about what we are slowly learning about a trump administration. the soon to be former chairman of the republican national exit rebe his chafe of staff, steve ban ban nona -- what does it say about this relationship with calon hill. >> so the times news site has this thing, transition thing where all the reporter chime in and give their latest news -- little news bites and it's honestly one of this mow amazing things i've ever read. you just can't believe what you're reading.
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so, the latest thing, as i was coming over here, is that because they ditched chris christie and gave the transition to mike pence he has to sign some official piece of paper he needs to sign, so the obama people aren't really allowed to give him all the information they need to give. so, basically, the defense department and the national security apparatus has had no contact with the trump transition people. so, we are operating in this weird limbo. and -- so many things about this. i don't even know where to begin. >> take the moment to tray to start to make any sense of it. >> yeah -- >> we are less than 70 days away from inauguration. >> during the campaign trump's
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son went to john kashich ask said we're thinking but you as vice president and if we did that you would be running the white house, and my father would be floating -- so in essence trump was thinking of it as one of his licensing deals. like, steak or wine or something. so, his name would be on it but he would be back in trump tower. and so -- >> the way that was reported is governor case sick said what would i be responsible for and the response back was policy and he said, what policy, foreign or smoke yes. -- foreor domestic? right. >> now you're seeing that happen with mike pence so trump is basically licensing it to mike pence at the moment, and mike pence is taking on all the policy. >> which digs into the question of how engaged he is going to be. what can the american public
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expect from a president trump and engagement? he wave seen the campaigner trump, the character you describe in the book. you've seen potentially this other business character trump that has been able to ruin, build, ruin, build, companies. how is this person now going to engage with the electorate, with the legislature? is this person going to govern differently than he campaigned? >> well, at the very beginning, before it turned really ugly, he would say things that he would -- he wanted to go and negotiate and spend a lot of time with congress and try and get some deals, and he said the wanted to negotiate a middle east peace contract because he -- his ultimate real estate deal and he thought he could do it. so i like the idea of the more
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elbow grease, putting into some intractable things, but i don't think we can know, and he doesn't know. and some of the things like on the "60 minutes" thing, some of what he said was reassuring, when they talked about gay marriage and he is like, that settled. then when they talk about women's rights on abortion, he was, like, less -- that was a scarier thing because he was saying he would send it back to the states and women might have to go to a different state. then it kind of evoked this image of going back to back alley abortions and so some of his appointments that he is talking about on now on immigration are really scary. they're talking about rudy giuliani as -- >> secretary of state. >> yeah, which is, spare me. so, some of the people he is bringing in are really right
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wing and mike pence is really, really right wing, and then president obama was saying that in his conversations, no, he seemed like a pragmatist and of course he used to be a pro-choice democrat who gave mow to the clinton foundation and hillary's campaigns and may have voted for her and was certainly friends with bill and played golf with him. so, i don't think we know, and he doesn't know. and that's what is so unsettling. >> isn't that -- you mentioned obviously the supreme court rulings on gay marriage and on books women's right to choose, and these two confusing answers from the president-elect. he also in the same interview walked back some of the repeal -- repeal of the affordable health care act, preexisting conditions a good part, adult children coverage dirk. >> he couldn't get the -- the republicans know that's popular
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so they want let him take that away everyone if he want to. >> then when he sat down with president obama, much like we are right here, and in the president came to the microphone yesterday saying that president-elect trump expressed a commitment to nato, when it was a much different kind of rhetoric we heard from the campaigner trump. >> he doesn't know. he doesn't -- you know, on my book, i met this wonderful texas state representative, guy from -- and he said can you do me a favor? i said what? he said, please stop comparing donald trump to a child. he goes, children are awesome. >> we'll open up the floor questions. a couple of questions about the media here. i know there's no other industry that loves to practice navalgazing and the self-absorption than me media.
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your publication has come under some heat about how it reported the odds of winning as opposed to gist the polls. have you had a moment of reflection about how the institution of "the new york times," more generally this fractured industry of the media, mainstream media, approached this election, and what we should take away from what we're hearing back from our audiences in at the past week? >> okay, so, this election was for the first time a fusion of politics, social media and reality tv. we have never seen someone not spend millions and tens of millions of on campaigns but instead used twitter. there were a lot of new things about this. we have never seen someone with a complete estrangement from the truth, like donald trump. we're used to more lawyerly lying and parsing. we're not a used to someone just
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saying issue didn't say that, or giving you -- telling you something that is the exact opposite. maggie our trump reporter said it's almost impossible to deal with someone like that who just said he didn't say that or gives you a completely different thing he says he said. so, yes, it did take the media a while to get their armed around it. compared it at the beginning to who framed roger rabbit where you have a movie with a tune and a human, and so it was too defendant species. ...
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the "new york times" at some point just said okay, we are going to change some rules. we're going to change our rule about calling a politician a liar in stores and in headlines. talk about his big fat whoppers and a wish they change that rule for dick cheney during the iraq war. [applause] and they said we're going to put bad words on the front of the "new york times." so i thought that was going to be his legacy until he wanted, and we're going to have bad words on our front page. but it's a struggle, but we just had never seen, you know, anything like that. speaking i said to our staff are
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biases are our truth backed us that we have to get out and try to earn the audiences trust each and every day by doing that. let's open up to questions. >> on a bernie sanders delegates like to ask what your assessment of his candidacy and heady thing things would've gone if he was the nominee? >> you know, i did a call on this the other day, and it's hard not to feel for president obama, you know. he is our first african-american president who got elected in this wave of excitement. and now we has to sit there with the most overtly racist candidate in modern history who is going to basically wipe out everything that he thought was his legacy. but at the same time, i think that given the fact of what a once-in-a-lifetime politician he has been, that he didn't read
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the mood correctly. you know, he was elected in a revolution, a revolution of people, you know, who parlayed it wanted founders change. some of them did not want to go back to clinton inc. inc., andy, there was another revolution this year. this was the year with a revolution both sides of the aisle. president obama, he has a way of just wanting, he's brilliant but he has a way of just telling people what to write. top advisor said he would rather be right than win. he wanted to say stop having your revolutions, this is the candidate. it was hillary and she was incrementalist in the year of revolutions. the funny part to me is that he treated bernie sanders the way bill clinton treated him in 2008, like this is a fairytale, stop it.
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rather than sort of realizing we are trying to understand where that revolutionary fervor came from. it was a you were people wanted authenticity, even like trump. authenticity, where they think because he tweets mean things about people that they're getting a more unvarnished, they they were looking for unvarnished on both sides. i just think the democratic party was like you going to take what you give you, and it was rigged. it was the same with joe biden. president obama told him he couldn't run, you know. so i just think they tried to impose something that was never going to work in this climate. >> thank you. >> thank you for the question. >> i'm a huge fan of your work. quick question for you. this has been an unprecedented
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election in the amount of controversy that it's garnered. do you think this will affect future elections or to do think legislation will be passed to make it more difficult for someone to run for presidency or do you think this will affect the longevity of the electoral college? >> or to have some kind of test for -- [laughter] >> what kind of test? >> sanity, like mental. >> inkblot? >> it's funny, the only place you can't have a shrink shrink in the world is the white house. that is the one place you still can't get into any of that stuff. even though as are the selections are wrote in his memoirs, a lot of our modern presidents have been a little mentally unbalanced, you know? lyndon johnson's aides used to argue about whether he was a paranoid or manic-depressive.
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nixon and jfk, it recently came out, at psychotropic drugs in the medicine cabinet. i think this election will have profound impacts in every area for decades to come, but we are only just beginning to sort that out. i think you're right. >> does the electoral college survived? >> well, this was what i was going to show you will be. when i first went with him in 99, you know, i said why come on a presidential foray, why would anyone vote for you for president? and he said because i got big ratings on larry king. you know, he was with melania. he was dating with her. she came with us. and he said because a lot of men hit on melania. so that's his ego arithmetic. everything is, the arithmetic of
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the go. he even like did something, we had a story recently where he made his -- higher floor numbers to pretend they were taller or something. so the electoral college, so he tweeted today, i could have, i love the electoral college. he loves that now, right? he didn't like it before years ago. right he said i won the popular vote if that's what the game was. so now he's tweeting, he's stune at the fact people did when so he is saying i could have won it. they still haven't taken his stone away from him. [laughter] >> thank you. >> thank you for the question. >> good evening. so a couple of things. one very simple one. why didn't hillary listen to bill? i understand, but also in
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general, it seems incomprehensible that everybody got it so wrong. and on the other hand, you know, with the idea where there's smoke there's fire, one thing was that putin early on and always, and it was very obvious, wanted trump to win. the hacking it was confirmed and everything, et cetera. so what came to my mind that even when we're all so incredulous, as we remain, was that the russians somehow stored. stored. and i'm not a conspiracy person. but i remember a week before the election in an interview obama saying that he won north carolina but only two voids --
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to vote per precinct in a way. i question his why has no one race as a possibility if only to discount it all this postelection analysis, why doesn't anybody even raise the possibility that maybe the russians who were of course experts in cyber world might be found a way to affect to three vote per precinct in a couple of precincts in wisconsin and pennsylvania, et cetera? nobody is even raising this as a possibility. [applause] what's up with that? >> do you have any thoughts on that? then i will talk. still well played spirit i think that's a great question spirit from a local immediate standpoint i think it is a great question and i think in florida which is where i operate, there are 67 separate voting systems. and i think that our coverage of the county election supervisors
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and the state election supervisors, and with pressed in very hard about how the system is set up in what kind of protections they have. voting machines that count the ballots that are not connected to the internet. 67 different kinds of processes that each county has picked each count is responsible for come all reporting up to the state. and they were assured that all of those additional protections in the bout, vote by mail ballot, the absentee ballots of course, provisional ballots, that all of the additional changes in about your mate after the 2000 election in florida, all of that has gone into a sure the sanctity of the vote. that come from the county election supervisor. what i would say as a journalist is, it is worth getting into and it's worth looking for that evidence, but proving a negative is also very difficult in this aspect. >> i have wondered the same thing and was assured by our
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political reporters that because there was some noodling around a couple of places by the russians in local elections, things that everyone was watching really, really carefully, i just assumed, i'm listening to what the topic within again i listen to what the big data guys told me. i agree with you. i never has been a more shocking like in my professional life. i was so shocked that when the time slip from 85% chance or hillary the 95 for trump, i literally took a picture of it with my cell phone. i couldn't comprehend it. i think maybe we're missing something in plain sight, which is americans are having an identity crisis, and the two parties were having identity crisis. so we were in a series of five interlocking identity crises. we went to war that we shouldn't
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have gone to with most of the country not understanding who sunni and shia were, and what this was about. the economy almost went under without anyone knowing what a derivative was. all these people in the middle of the country were told that globalization was amiss shiny bright thing that was going to solve all our problems, and it wasn't. so who are we as americans if we are not the people who can win wars, you know, and be the big blustering, swaggering country, who are we? and think a lot of the country was really suffering, and the politicians were not listening. ted cruz was so busy destroying the capital he worked in in comn mitch mcconnell was so busy obstructing, you know, i just think that we were in a soundproof room in washington in a way, you know? and i want to answer about bill,
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because i don't have any answer, because the relationship is so interesting to me because i read autobiographies of her in my book. i start covering her when she's running as bills wife in 92, and i'm extremely supportive of her when she's running because i know she hates that first lady will. she wanted to call it first mate. and while i was covering her she got some stationary that have dropped the name wrought them and just said hillary clinton and she sent back to she was so angry. it's a struggle for women like hillary and michelle who have the same educational credentials to go into this antiquated little satin box. but the confusing thing when you read her arc is that sometimes she's completely dependent on build advice and wants it all the time, and then other times in 2008 her campaign wouldn't take his calls sometime. she didn't take his advice on where to compromise on
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healthcare, which caused it to go down, and then she didn't take it this time. so you know, it's a codependent relationship but it's also sort of competitive and i think things get lost in the of that t in a way very similar. i have a long original essay in the book about the bush father and son relationship which led to the worst mistake in american foreign policy history i think there and it's a similar thing. it's like love but competition. it in the gap between those two things, things can happen. >> thank you for the question. >> how do you find inspiration for the article that you write, and how do you know a certain idea you may have is detailed enough to pursue it for an article? >> this is hartford times readers to understand, and i think in the introduction they addressed this, that there is no
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warm place for me to go to because everyone is always mad at me. [laughter] even my family is mad at me, you know, when a republican president is in. when w was in, my older brother, i came home from a family dinner and my older brother said if there was a hurricane, you would blame it on w. and then there was. [laughter] and i did. but i am not an ideological columnist. i base the column, i do want this to sound pompous. i mean, i can never touch the hem of his garment, but it's more base on shakespeare in the sense that it's about how power warps people where they rise to the occasion. and so times of readers don't really understand that so they get mad at me. i understand that, but it's not,
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i'm trying to be more of a watchdog rather than partisan, rather than push somebody picks i think of it like shakespeare, like adult, i want to be there if we're going to get a richard iii or a macbeth, i'll be in the white house pressure watching out for you guys, you know? [applause] >> thank you. >> how many columns do you have cooking at one time? >> i don't, you know, when we used to to, back in the jurassic days of where we had trucks, delivery trucks in the building at 43rd street, i, i would be sitting there staring at a blank screen and i would hear the trucks rev up their engines and i would get really scared and type really fast. i mean, i have to be really scared to write. because most of the time i'm
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sitting there thinking, why does anybody want to hear my opinion? this doesn't make sense. >> hello. my name is roberto and this is an aside. in the early '70s i went to law school with both hillary and bill clinton. >> wow. >> so here's my question. we've heard a lot about never trump movement for months, which was primarily the republican establishment rather than a regular voters. but there's really not much being said now that we know the results of the election about never hillary. what effect do you think the fact that it was personal? that millions of people voted because fairly or unfairly fetches did not like her. >> so what's the question? >> the question is, do you think there's such an effect that the work a lot of people who voted
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on a personal basis, not on policy, just because they didn't like her for valid or invalid reason? >> well, i don't know it was a protest vote. i think people like my siblings, there was no way they were ever going to vote for hillary. my sister voted for me in the end because she wasn't going to vote for trump and she wasn't going to vote for hillary. so i had one vote for president. [laughter] but that's what i think is amazing about president obama. the reason barack obama became president is because so many people in his party wanted something fresh and they wanted a huge change. they did not want to go back to the clinton machine. so he became president because of that, but then he failed to understand that strain in the electorate. because he is the one who steered everyone back to machine. i don't know if he felt guilty
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about usurping it from her in the first place or that they have common ground. they are both cerebral elitist kind of. i'm not sure why he was so determined to put his legacy in the hands of someone, a machine he had already disabled eight years before. but that's why i love politics, because it is like a shakespearean play. there are all these interlocking motivations and and, you know, e could talk about this for hours more. it's fascinating, but the answer is yes. >> do you believe the same gym graphic coalition that elected reagan and 80, clinton in 92 just elected trump in 2016? >> look at it this way. so my father was a policeman, right? so he stayed up all night the night to win was elected. he was so excited. he knew him personally. my dad was policeman in charge
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of senate security on capitol hill. so we knew truman and loved him. truman was a hero of the working class, and somewhere then, last week my brother kevin stayed up all night wanting trump to get elected. so what happened between my dad and treatment and kevin and trump? i think a lot of what happened is that the democrats forgot how to talk to the working class, which joe biden can do and bernie sanders can do, but obama forgot. it was amazing, was it a quarter quarter of people who voted for obama then switched to trump? i mean, that is a crazy statistic that so many obama voters. but when people, this was an amazing thing. so david plouffe, the genius behind the obama win, do no, had a piece the other day explaining what happened with hillary. one of his bullet points was the
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voters really did want change. [laughter] >> said the architect of the change campaign years ago. >> yeah. you know, the stupid voters who really did want, you know. >> thank you for your question. >> good evening. go ahead. >> one of your colleagues on the "new york times" david brooks had an article last week, and the last sentence of his article was that he fully, foley may not of been there, that he expected within a year it was likely that trump would either have resigned or been impeached. would you agree? >> well, this is another, another, i mean, you can't absorb the craziness of what's happening fast enough for another crazy thing to happen.
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before the election all the house republicans are talking about a hillary clinton impeachment, and now everyone is talking about a trump impeachment. what a difference a week makes. you know, in david's case it might've been wishful thinking, but alan litman, you know, the american university professor, he was the only kind of professor, historian in the country to say that trump would win, is also saying trump will be impeached. so things are in washington in a complete state of chaos so i don't know. i become i think as americans we somehow have to hope that washington gets itself together. >> could you explain a little about the culture of the "new york times" in the months preceding george bush is invasion of iraq? it seemed like judith miller would have a front page news
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item about the weapons of mass destruction and then vice president cheney would appear on the sunday talk shows and say well, the "new york times" says there's weapons of mass destruction. it seems as though the "new york times" was in tandem with maybe the neocon formula for invading iraq. has the culture of the times changed since then? and secondly do you think there's going to be an obama pardon of hillary before his term ends? >> yeah, i don't know know about the latter. i don't, you know. i've been gone on book tours for too many days. things are moving too fast. the times has, you know, said that it should've handled that differently many times. they have talked about that. that was a very painful. for me, because it was so plain to me that we were doing
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something, you know, that was completely had no predicate. in fact, this is part of what may be a little suspect of what may be want to more from hillary clinton about what she had learned from these cataclysmic thinks she has gone through. i wanted to more about what she had learned from voting for the iraq war. and, in fact, she was the sender who went down to the floor and helped w make the case -- the senator -- the connection between al-qaeda and saddam. if i could've heard from her, what she learned as a leader, i would've felt better. she was ms. homework, and out would've been a good time to be missed homework and read the national intelligence estimate. i mean, i just find that whole
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period, and it's still going on in iraq, the most painful thing i've ever covered. it's horrible. but the times has said that, yeah, that that was not handled well with judy. >> as a journalist at the times have you experienced that difference of fact checking or editor input since that episode? >> yeah. no, i'm in in the opinion kingdom so i'm sure they have a lot of different ways to handle things in the news kingdoms, and they have put a lot of new rules in place, even just -- that are rules are a little different. >> i wanted to talk little more about hillary clinton. i know you have covered the clinton for a long time and i heard you recently say that she is sort of unnecessarily paranoid, and that could've caused to make a lot of the
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decisions that people judged her for. i was wondering if you feel she's unnecessarily paranoid or that she really has a reason to be? it seems like people always attacking her. >> no, i think it's both, but i think what happened was the clintons have gotten a very unhealthy relationship with their foes and the press, where because of the way they handled it, it was almost like throwing chum out in jaws. they just had a way of handling things that sent their foes and the press into a frenzy. so this is, let's take whitewater as an example. so whitewater started, george stephanopoulos says in his memoir that if he had a genie in a bottle and could do anything differently he would go back to hillary. he tried this but she said no, and insist that she release the
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papers to the "washington post" because he says it would've been on one week story but because hillary builds this wall of defensiveness and secrecy, then everybody thinks she's hiding something, then this frenzy happens, and then it cascades into something that maybe there was nothing there in the first place. who knows? in the way you see the same pattern in the way she handled the server and in the way she handled pneumonia. it's always the same pattern. it gets worse and worse. so in the end, whitewater which george things would've been a one week story, ended up in 80 million federal investigations, seven federal prosecutors and impeachment. because people, they are disappearing and appearing records and people feel she is not leveling. and then it starts snowballing, and so then you kind of forget was there anything there in the
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first place, or is it just the wall of secrecy in defensivene defensiveness? so you are right, but that's the bad part, that it's both that people are after. look at president obama. i'm sure the same people are after him but they haven't been able to do anything, right? because he doesn't give them the ammunition. that's why his popular numbers are going up because people are thinking wow, with that eight years without any ethical or family drama. that's a pretty amazing thing. >> thank you for the question. >> i have a question about the fight over the deficit and the comment about the posters who got wrong. in terms of the deficit it seems to be trump is having for massive deficits with a spin on the infrastructure and his reducing taxes. and yet the republicans and paul ryan, the neocons are so
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invested in having offsets and not letting the deficit balloon. what's going to happen? >> i know that that is the argument, but since i would to summer school in algebra, i am not an expert in the deficit in any way. [laughter] and, in fact, to show you have bad at math ibm, a night of the election i was assuming we would have president clinton because i was adding up these numbers in my head and it's like, if you have 94% of blacks who disapprove review and 75% of women disapprove of you, and 90% of latinos disapprove of you, you can't be president. that's what i'm thinking, right? so i don't know, i'm going to have to take your guidance on it. i know that's confusing with trump, but again what's happening right this minute is all these different groups are seeing him as a malleable host body that they can pour the
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thinthinking to pick so it just depends which person -- our reporter says he tends to listen to the last person he is talk to and that's why a lot of his advisers maneuver to be the last person. [laughter] >> i would point that we will fix veterans affairs can rebuild the military, all of those are significant government spending projects as well. >> i really fear reagan and bush devastated our economy, following in their footsteps. in terms of an interesting, maybe, thought about how the pollsters got him so wrong, one thing i'm wondering is if they got it wrong because the public all felt hillary was a sure thing. and many of us may have been mad at both of them and said well, i want hillary to be president but because she's clearly going to win on going to vote for trump in a protest and that might've
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caused it to change. >> that's interesting. you are making my point. we are going to be discussing and debating this, and it's going to be written about in history books for decades to come. and that's why what we are watching right now is scary and volatile. >> thank you spirit i know it happened in florida, the florida republican party has looked at this and they have found that their vote by mail, the absentee vote and the early vote in florida were essentially newer voters. they were not super voters. in other words, they were voters that voted in one or two of the past for presidential elections. they were very confident going into election day. they had not seen their super voters show up yet. the voters but shown up for three out of the past four elections. they grew more confident as they got closer to election day that they still had a pool of voters that they were going to pull from.
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in fact that's at least what the data shows in florida. >> thank you. most of my friends and family and i have been longtime activists in the democratic party. and we've been going nuts for last week. i wish this one if you had an idea about what we can do as activists to help the country? is it an effort in futility or can we continue? we don't want to flee the country. some said that but they're not going to. what do we do? >> well, i was on a panel yesterday morning with lena dunham, and let me just tell you, she is not giving up. she is charged up and ready to go. i think she just, she called paul ryan's office and then she
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tweeted the number two paul ryan's office. she starting new organizations and it was funny, i was in los angeles last night, because i was on this panel, and i went to a bookstore where everyone was reading poetry to try and feel better and they read about fascism, and then they read robert frost and some other poetry. but i think that we are about to enter a period of incredible activism in democratic party history. [applause] the only thing i can promise you is that i've already put in a request for a white house pass, and i will be there from dawn until midnight everyday. [applause]
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>> good evening. thank you for taking my question. the media seems to be, i been watching a lot as all of us have, immersed in the craziness that's going on in washington. and in pointing out how well everybody present obama, joe biden, everybody is helping the transition. will the media come back to holding trump accountable for all the lies and all of, the way he won? in other words, it's all nice. it's all fine, you won, it's all over. >> no, no. i think president obama has a tactic which may be working here we just can't tell yet. it does seem to gentle on the surface for trump to appoint a guy who runs a website that
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flirts with white supremacists and does white nationalist. as headlines like birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. that's a typical breitbart headline. another great one was gabby giffords, the human shield of anti-gun lobby. i mean, this is the guy who is now the chief strategist to the president of united states. and, of course, we would've loved to see barack obama just let him have it over that. but president obama has a strategy which may work, you know, partly, i'm no not sure, u know. i'm not sure. i mean, again, i just make everybody a struggling but i can tell you that the "new york times", i can tell from the town of this transition thing, the "new york times" is gearing up to cover president trump in a
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very, very tough way, tough but fair top. [applause] >> coverage about hillary e-mails and the server never stopped. and i'm just outraged that coverage of what trump is done seems to have stopped. >> don't worry, really. do not worry. go to sleep tonight we are going to take care of them. [applause] >> thank you. >> i'm going to take moderate prerogative and ask one last question. hillary clinton tweeted out a picture of a letter that george herbert walker bush wrote to president clinton in 1992 when president clinton moved into the oval office. if president obama is to write such a letter to president
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trump, elect trump, what would that say? what would you suggest that letter say? >> i don't give politicians advise. i'm sure president obama, you know, i have been critical of it at times because as it turned out, amazingly enough, he doesn't like politics and that gets in the way of doing politics, because politics is the art of persuading people who don't want to go along with you to go along with you. but i will say, i traveled traveled with him to cuba and, you know, i was very proud that he was my president and that michelle was my first lady. [applause] and i think they are the most amazing parents ever, and his girls are a wonder. i'm sure whatever he does will be classy and whatever note he leaves, because he is the
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epitome of class. i think as the days go on, people are going to miss that. [applause] >> maureen dowd, ladies and gentlemen, from the "new york times," "the year of voting dangerously." [applause] >> thank you both for a marvelous evening. [inaudible conversations] >> we are here with my man, the award-winning climate scientist and co-author of a madhouse the fact, how climate change denial is threatening our planet, destroyed our politics and dried as crazy. what led you to team up with your co-author to write this book? >> tom is sort of a genius. he's the cartoonist for the "washington post." he has been engaged in some of the hardest hitting commentary in all of our media when it comes to the issue of climate change.
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climate change denial. i am a climate scientist but i spent a lot of time trying to communicate the signs to the public and the applications of the sites. and so we felt it made sense to combine forces. you see in his cartoons and sort of my background as a scientist talk about the issue of climate change in a new way, to use his cartoons made to engage some people who otherwise have been sort of impervious to what the science has to say and what the implications are. >> there is an argument that there is no true consensus on climate change, scientists are at odds with each other over this subject. can you speak to that. >> that's one of the things we take on in the boat because there is about as widespread and robust a consensus about human caused climate change in the scientific community as it is about the theory of gravity. but the difference is that when it comes to the issue of climate change they are vested interest, fossil fuel interests who find
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it inconvenient because it implies when you to do something about our continued burning of fossil fuels. the ever engaged in a massive disinformation effort to confuse the public and to confuse policymakers about the science. so that's probably what this book is about, how they been successful in confusing the public, when the science, as compelling as it is. >> that tran knight enters the paris agreement recently. can you describe the implications of that, and it'll make a significant change, if it's if it's too much, too little? >> the paris agreement is one of the reasons for cautious optimism that we're actually not confronting this problem. in the book we sort of in on a positive note because we talk about the paris agreement. we talk about the in its progress that has been made. the paris agreement will not solve the problem but it gets us about halfway to where we need to be.
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it's easy to imagine that a few years from now in the next conference we will build on the agreement that was reached in paris last year and really do what's necessary to upper catastrophic climate change, to reduce carbon emissions enough to do that. so there is a path forward. we wrote the book before we knew what the result of the presidential election was going to be, at the challenge of cores is somewhat more uphill because when an incoming president who has said, among other things, he wants to back out of the paris agreement. we didn't realize how relevant climate change denial would be, given the trend that our election took. and so now, in fact, the issue of climate change, we would like to think we put it behind and that we're sort of marching ahead toward solving the problem, we have an obstacle in a way and will need to deal with that. >> what might the implications
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be if we were to back out of the paris agreement? >> we are one of the two largest emitters of carbon on the planet. china and the u.s. under the obama come under president obama we reached this monumental agreement, this bilateral agreement between the u.s. and china to make a dramatc cuts in a combination. that set the stage for the very successful paris summit were nearly 200 nations from around the world made significant commitments to lowering their carbon emissions. if we now unilaterally backed out it's going to send the wrong message to the rest of the world. it's going to say that the u.s. as a country that goes back on its agreement. it's really to me as a larger than issue of climate change. is are we willing to be a constructive and good-faith partner in this larger effort to make sure that we leave behind a habitable world for our children and grandchildren.
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>> as 201 2016 comes to a closey publications are offering their picks for the best books of the year. here's some of the books that the "new york times" book review has selected.
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york really the nation bursting at the scenes because their event and a justification of policing and inner cities across the nation but particularly in new york city, buffalo, rochester and attica was filled with 2,400,000,000, overwhelmingly black and puerto rican but also white men. the conditions were horrendous. they were, one roll of toilet paper to last a month, two quarts of water to do everything in, wash, clean yourself, drink. medical care so bad that prisoners were not only dying in attica over permanently disfigured from lack of care.
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this is the context that the men in the yard start talking about civil rights in the prison, human rights in the prison. and, of course, many of these guys had also come from streets that had been very active, particularly rebellions in philly and 64 and harlem and 54, rochester in 64. and they begin to ask for help initially through the system, writing letters to the state senators and begging the commission of correction to do something. but nothing was really done. in fact what was done was a great deal more repression anyone who is caught having a letter asking for help with be thrown into key lock which meant your throat and yourself are in different parts of time. you couldn't get out. it's in the context that people start talking across political lines, start talking across racial lines. >> that's a look at some of this

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