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the most effective way to reach that audience is and obviously this is a place where you start the conversation so we are very much fans of the inverted communications where you start as broadly aspossible to bring your audience in and you take them on a journey to the bring them to the fact you want them to understand. cognition theory goes to , there's a book called thinking fast and slow by daniel kaman and he talks about the systems in the brain, system one and system two. someone is fast, intuitive, emotional. it's very visual, relies on the senses to sort of make a judgment immediately. system two is more deliberative, more rational. it works a little slower and even beings like to think that when they make a decision, we make a decision based on system two. when in actuality, when in actuality, you make decisions using system one immediately and then use them to to rationalize that decision. >> right? so that's why it's important
to meet your audience where they are because they drop in their experiences to start the conversation as a common denominator. this is one of my favorites, so i am not a medical doctor but if a wallet -sized pieces of brain, where both pain and pleasure is processed and often is also very visual in nature. >> the key here is who's the series states that if you're able to convey something to someone and they understand quickly, they will not only retain that information, they will also repeat it. because what does is when you come to quick understanding of a concept or a topic area it really releases dopamine in the brain. it triggers the risk pleasure response and the response and when it releases dopamine, that's something the brain wants to feel more and more. it's those lights on
facebook, everyone gets addicted to them and every time you see one of those thumbs up it releases dopamine in the brain and makes you want to repeat that experience somewhat comes down to is trying to convey something to our audience in a way they can understand in the first 30 seconds of broadcast. or within the first paragraph of the topic if you're thinking about this from a committee. because and in contrast, if you convey to someone that something is too hard for them to understand or too difficult to guess, it has the opposite effect and people will actually reject that information and fail to understand it if that's how the information is conveyed. third is social norm theory, a group of researchers did this experiment. everyone is familiar with the hotel, everyone similar with those hotel bathrooms that say please reuse your titles and help save the environment. researchers took those signs out of 50 percent of the
bathrooms in a hotel and they replaced them with signs that said 70 percent of our guests reuse their towels to help save the environment and they found the second sign is the one that stated 76 percent of people who say they reuse their titles, people are more likely to reuse their towels. and that the social norm theory which is why we are broadening the bench of allies we work with and in the concept of social norm theory is if the majority is doing it, you want to follow the majority. it's not the cool kids which is why sometimes celebrity engagement fails or if it isn't as effective because the cool kids as a small group of people, it's the majority. so how to utilize that concept, if you're thinking about an op-ed, and you know that recent polling has shown that a majority of americans oppose the muslim band for instance, we can start the op-ed by saying a majority of americans oppose this idea and you should too.so
that's the social norm theory that comes into play. and really at the end of the day, we tried to say this because we work across a broad group of audiences, there is no one-size-fits-all solution so what i'm going to try to present are the schemes from our method testing research so you can pick them and adapt them and apply them to your work with other audiences. >>. >> so context for our speaker. >> i know a lot of us especially in recent media with responses some of the news events from last year, i started everything in january 2015. and it was when the chapel hill shooting happened, with three muslim college students were shot assassination style and a lot of us in failing to respond and react to this story of the day, we think we
work on a couple different crisis response scenarios, one is a crime against a member of the community, one is an active violence committed by someone and one is what we call a crisis of opportunity so an example is when kids are focused on the nc last year, trump insinuated that the rawhide did not speak because there a religion didn't allow her to so we used that moment to launch a hashtag campaign that went viral and did really well but really it's there is where there is no human life at stake but it's an opportunity for you to talk about your experience but we wanted to know what actually is effective? what is getting through to our audiences and to the people? there we go. the recent media has been dedicated to combating islam a phobia for the past eight years and we track the
outlets across the country for any mention of the word islam or muslim. and we actually code what is islam a holy. this is a graph of the islamic from the past couple years and since we started really tracking back. >> and you can see there's a couple of sites in their area there's a site in 2011 during the peter king hearing, in april 2013 around the boston marathon bombing, in november 2016 around paris and san bernardino but thatsite went really huge . with the muslim band and rhetoric after sunday and so it's trying to capture moments of islam fob speech in order to sort of have data and be able to figure out what works and what doesn't in combating that. >> so our research goal were to identify our audiences. identify who is in our base area.
>> which is actually in our persuadable universe and whose our opposition. we wanted to identify successful messages and messengers because it's very important, which messenger is most effective for which audience, what messages are the most effective. we wanted to broaden our outreach to new allies so that not just in the city but also we work with the interfaith committee, veterans community, business business community, the officials, the derivatives, republicans, we try to bring in those allies and make sure that their messaging is not harmful, directly harmful to the communities that they impact. we wanted to strengthen the muslim community so one of the key frustrations have been the muslim around self community, we see the new faces on tv so we wanted to broaden that out. we actually just launched this week our resource for journalists.call 8.5 million.org and that's the number of arab islamic guided in the united states so we've
identified a couple of features that we get to media and journalists to make sure that they are diversifying who they are speaking to. shall we say the community is not a model and we hope that with this group of people we can demonstrate that more in the media space. we wanted to know how to respond to a crisis with political rhetoric or a crisis like an attack or when we are trying to be aspirational or proactive. the first and foremost the bad news, these are the challenges that we found in our research. >> attitudes towards muslims in america. >> the first is that the fear is real. that is because messaging is lawful messaging has permeated the public consciousness. >> so the fear that people have, what some of the codes we have in our focus groups were, i know it's not all of them but it just takes one. and what was another one?
if we need to monitor mosques, synagogues or churches to keep us safe, i'm okay with that. the fear is real, it is very entrenched and going back to social psychology, if you directly in the first sense tried to encounter something that someone validly feels, they are going to tune you out immediately. so the concept that i think sometimes the talking point is furniture kills more people than terrorists do. that goes counter to the fear that people have. and so that might not be the firsttalking points, that might be toward the middle of your talking point. what sort of brought a person on board . >> so the first challenge is real. >> second challenge, it's not so much a challenge as sort of into the third point and that is political discriminatory political
rhetoric is actually respected by most people. so those people, they do not agree with discriminatory political rhetoric which is why on the campaign trail , i think then candidate trump got more pushback about the comments that he made but discriminatory policy is accepted by most. and there's a reason for that and the reason is rhetoric seems like this, it's very obvious we discriminatory, it's obviously bigoted. very emotional. but a policy seems like a logical rational solution to appear that people hold. it seems like an obvious answer to this abstract idea. so often in some of the media strategies we've been doing around the muslim band, we continuously try to tie back the discriminatory political rhetoric to the
discriminatory policy and remind people over and over again that these are the things candidate trump said that he holds as president. this fourth problem is that most people do hold the idea that islam is inherently misogynistic. and this goes back and i'll talk about this and i talk about our audiences but spoiler alert, our base is not as base as we'd like them to be.the people that should be in our base, 25 percent of them will this idea as well that muslim is inherently misogynistic, that islam oppresses women. that's one of the challenges we are up against and also people hold the idea that islam is inherently violent. this idea is a little less widely held amongst our base but it is a little more widely held generally. now that we talked about the
bad news, let's get the clicker to work. these are challenges again, the fear is real, politically charged rhetoric is respected by most but discriminatory policy is accepted, the perceptions that muslim do not treat women with respect is strong and the perception they are prone to violence is also widely held.so now we get to what works. and again, i want people to keep in mind the overarching frames and themes that we have because they can be adapted to different situations. this is what we call our trifecta, these were the three specific messages that work well with our audiences but i want to point out instead of fixating on specific language i want to point out some of the concepts that are inherent here. and first and foremost, again, inverted pyramid style of communications, these are the places you start the
conversation, these are not the places where you end the conversation. these are the ways to get through to your audiences from the outset. so pivoting to shared values, whether that's from other countries, free freedom of religion, the belief that we are stronger together or any value that you share with your audience is going to be seen as a starting place. american values obviously resonate but i know from my experience working with some of the communities we work with, some people hold the idea that we haven't always held our american values. we've had slavery in this country, we've had segregation and so it could be human values, it could be values that you share with a group of mothers, a group of women if you are speaking to a group of , i'm from new jersey so if you are speaking
to people from new jersey you can speak about bruce springsteen. it is that thing that the next you with your audience, the shared idea of something. you can see that in our first message. our country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion, a tradition and ideal that forms the foundation of our country. we do not tell the ball how to pray and do not ban people based on their religion. i'm going to parse through the language but pay attention to the way this is word. it is very assertive. it does not say we should not ban people, it says we do not ban people and it draws a moral line in the sand and says this is who we are and this is not who we are. the second message is no one should fear for their safety because of the color of their skin, what language they speak or how they prayed. they must not beget hate, we need more love and less fear. so this is kind of biblical sounding but it's also sort of asserting that people should not have to fear for their life. often one of our preliminary
rounds of testing found that when you talk about a hate crime, it's hard for people to visualize and unless they experienced the hate crime themselves. so if someone yelled at you on the street, when actually it is physical harm that is done so painting a vivid picture of what that looks like, talking about a hate crime in abstract versus talking about a pregnant woman in a his job with her child in a stroller was attacked in a parking lot. that's more visceral, it's much more important for your audience to connect in that way. and lastly, we are stronger when we come together as americans and weaker when we let fear and lack of understanding come between us. america is united, divided we fall. there's a great podcast, it's called the wrecking podcast and it talks to people who have changed their minds completely on a political issue. and one of the episodes talked to a guy who was going
to vote for trump in the primary and switched to casey and his entire motivation was i miss the feeling that we use to having this country of we are all in it together and i think that's an idea that permeates across the country right now. the feeling that people don't feel united anymore. and i think it's a little, it seems very sort of the dippy, this message of love and togetherness and unity but i think it speaks to something in america right now. as much as we talk about echo chambers and bubbles that people find themselves in on facebook and how people are polarized and they will go to msnbc or fox news or whatever their media outlet of choice is, and everything else out, while that is true, there are outlets authority or stories that are inherently positive that reach a real one. so there's something to be said about a positive aspirational idea of unity and what that looks like and what america could look like,
that sort of brings people together. >> so those are messages that work. that work well. and then there was a fourth message boosted the numbers on all those messages together. and that gets to the fear response that people have and that ad on is we should address terrorist acts based on evidence, not single out an entire people aced on their feet. not only is that the right thing to do, it is more effective at keeping us safe. talking more about evidence-based, there were a lot of articles that equated white supremacy with isis and i'll talk about why i think that's not as effective. it gets to words, resonating with people in a different way than you think they will and how the human brain is more likely to make the isis silent connection that it is
to make the white supremacy to violence connection so when we talk about the epidemic of mass violence in this country at large,there are underlying patterns that we see . often there is a domestic violence, perpetrators of acts of violence either themselves perpetrators of domestic violence or have been victims of domestic violence. there could be a mental health issue, when you start connecting the dots of violence and you can actually look at things in an evidence-based matter and less instead of saying all muslims are terrorists, if you are able to connect those dots and find those patterns and evidence-based solutions, that is a far more rational solution than a muslim band. >> so some of the principles and i talked about this earlier but embedded in our language is a strong feeling
of the moral high ground. as i mentioned, we don't say we should not tell people how to pray, we say we do not tell people how to pray and we do not ban people based on their religion. we are drawing a line in the sand and we are bringing a choice for people with our messaging. that's super important. you are not leading a person choice or telling them what to choose, your claiming it for them and you are laying out the pros and cons and you're saying when you're on the side of the line and we are united as americans and we don't stand against each other we are stronger and when you are on the side of the line and you appear to divide us, we are weaker. which side do you choose. it is drawing a line in the sand, messaging like no one should fear for their safety. or their skins, what language they speak or how they prayed, we are weaker when we let fear and lack of understanding come between us, we do not threaten people based on their faith. it is drawing that strong moral line in the sand and framing it for people so they makethe right choice. >> . >> so there are three steps that are critical to increasing muslims in
america, one is to diminish the decisions calling on agreed-upon beliefs though the goal is to create a bridge of understanding, common ground and start with widely held beliefs. the second is invoking the shared aspirational values using these to call for better treatment and to paint a picture of what we want our world to be.if you look at our trifectamessaging , basically what it does is reminds people what their values are. these are the values that you purport to hold and then it reminds them to apply those human values even to people they would not otherwise apply them to. but it's that the lighter, if we are not asking them to apply those values to the people in a vacuum, we are reminding them. we are saying you believe this and if you do you should apply it to these people. third, we want to reassure the people by creating this imperative strong messaging and a combination without positive aspirational message. some of the other concepts
i'm going to talk about. one when i say the elephant in the room, that was what's the first thing you think of? >> the elephant. when we have messaging that repeats a claim made by the opposition, what we are doing is we are not counteracting the crate claim. we are reinforcingthat message with our audience . so when i say something like refugees are fleeing their countries because they are fleeing the violence from isis in their particular country, what people here is not that they are seeking refuge here. people here refugees, violence, isis and they don't want that here, they don't want them to bring that here. when we talk about the work, i am guilty of this, i say we are working to counter islam
a phobia or fighting bigotry, we talk about what we are fighting against but we don't talk about what we are fighting for and that is super important because it resonates with people on a completely different level. when you say we are fighting for the freedom of all americans to practice their faith without fear or intimidation, full sentence. when what we don't want to do is repeat a misconception that is being sort of widely spread by opposition. >> there doing their work for us, we want to set a positive aspirational frame, we want to step away from that messaging. we want to talk about this on her own terms. one of the things i often say is we and our messaging sometimes fight in the opposition sandbox. so instead of creating our own sandbox so they make the claim of violence, these are inherently misogynistic and we say no they're not. responding to them always.
instead of saying here are our stories, years what we actually look like. and so also the positive aspirational thing, it just resonates more with people and it's a little hard, one of the key questions we got from january was how can you be positive and aspirational when it feels like there's so muchhappening is terrible . everyone hates like 67 percent in 2015 alone. >> and its, you know, tweaking the messaging so it's talking about those eight crimes, talking about the very tangible ways in which those eight crimes can affect people but then ending if you are writing an op-ed i always a, if you're writing an op-ed it's ending with here are five things you can do to stand with your muslim neighbors. it gives people something to aspire to, it gives them a
concrete action to take and it ends on an aspirational note. >> i know we all know this but i'm going to reiterate, so the words that you choose to use will either resonate or not resonate with your audience, it goes back to terminology. the best advice i can give us is in the initial phases of our research that we found certain words do not resonate with people and those were ironically our diversity, tolerance and understanding. why? because the right associates those words so strongly with the left that focusing it at all, there's that. the words that you resonate with people are fairness and respect. dignity, fairness and respect, those are the overarching principle that people can agree on. if you are a muslim american in this country, you are
simply looking to live your life with dignity, fairness and respect. you are looking to come here to live your life with dignity, fairness and respect. you are simply letting your dignity, fairness and respect and you are a white, rural american from an economically disadvantaged solution, you are looking for dignity, fairness and respect. those words will does resonate with people. similarly, i don't know if are familiar with this but in the south asian community there's debate about do we say muslim american or american muslim? this is been going on for the last 15 years. we hear this debate pop-up all the time we decided to test. we found that what works is americans who are muslims. why does that affect? it's because americans is a noun and muslim is simply one adjective that describes a multifaceted person. you could face that, you could say surfers who are muslim. it's still the same concept,
it's still a noun that is what it is any adjective that describes it. like mandolins, remember mandolins? that's why that concept works a littlebetter. >> similarly, when we ask people , when we said muslim americans are monitored closely by the united states, people rejected that premise. they were like, yes but we're all monitored in the united states. i'm okay with that if if it keeps our country safe. we modify that sentence is a muslim americans are monitored more closely than other americans, that changed the way people thought about things. it was no longer equal, it was different. muslim americans are being treated differently with far more certainty than normal americans. the words matter, the way we were things doesn't matter. so the fourth field of what we want to do is the status
quo is in the middle. and the opposition messages and our messages are both trying to impact the status quo, we want to strengthen our messages, going back to politically charged rhetoric is protected by most, a majority of americans believe that americans deserve to be treated with unity, fairness and respect and we go back toward hot messages, we want to we can the oppositions messaging, want to begin the messages that muslims are prone to violence, that we are bettersafe than sorry, that national security , trumps civil rights and that's sort of the way we want to think about messaging when we are doing messaging. i talked a little bit about the twitter campaign that we did after honda spoke at the dnc and that was the can you see us now hashtag campaign where muslims were told post a photo of yourself, talk about you are and what you do and use the hashtag and it was such a vivid array of
women, women who work at the un, who worked to fight for human rights, who are activists, who are amazing and pushed back against a lot of messages the opposition confused and you would think a lot of trolls would come out of the woodwork but most of the responses we got from people work from the community and i never knew this about muslims, i had no idea there was so much there and it was great, it was a lot of fun to be a part of that. >>. >> i'm a little too fast. i talked about our audiences, we talk about ourselves so this is the builder. you got your choir, you got your base, you got your sweet of a. you got your opposition and you're on reasonable. and so what you really want to do with your messaging is kind of decide who you want to talk to. maybe you want to talk to your base and maybe you want to strengthen, maybe you want to keep the choir engaged and
keep them converting, maybe you want to strengthen your base, maybe you want to bring persuadable in, maybe you want to kind of talk to the opposition or move the opposition from opposition to persuadable or maybe you want to push the opposition in the unreachable to the fringes so that they will follow them. >> was with the can you hear us now campaign, when school came out of the woodwork they were marked or insert themselves into the conversation, they were kind of don't on by everyone else. because they made themselves look racist. there's a great article in slate, i think from last year which talks about how brands useful to their advantage. so when comes out with an ad that features an american, it's just sort of a person wearing close, there's no message there so when schools come out and say how dare you include this person in your campaign, they are the ones
who look crazy and the brand is the one that looks good. there's a concept here as well of sort of a lot of us i know are working to bring the opposition to the middle but a lot of people are also working to push them to the edges so that they don't have as much say. >> and i know folks see this as tiny. but there's a woman named rachel brown who's done great research on misusing speech and she has this schematic of audiences and its involvement on the left-hand side and attitude on the bottom. so on the upper left you've got people who are high involvement, negative attitude. those are dangers speech speakers. people who participate in group targeted apartment willingly. >>
>> >> think of those that our apathetic or don't know much about the issues. bottom right positive attitude those who do not necessarily go out to a rally at airport but also agree it is terrible and then the top right i involvement with attitude those the show up at the airport earlier this year and speak out.
so that schematic of how you want to move these audiences look very different you want to move them to low involvement so they do less harm to others and then they would not act upon it because at least they are involved but not physically violent toward people. then negative attitude most likely want to prevent them and stop them from moving to the top left spot in the b shift over to law involvement so these are the ways of how to shift the audience. for high involvement neutral
attitude you can switch them to a positive attitude and say you are very involved if he think of that top right attitude you want to keep them engaged you want to sustain them movement and keep it going and audiences with the ways that we influence them. with that is my presentation does anybody have questions? i don't think i mentioned anything on youtube but we did have a twitter campaign.
although facebook and google and youtube that they're working on these problems as well. >> is there where the making get your power point?. >> yes my e-mail address is firstname.lastname@example.org and the wooded be happy to said that from the presentation. >> we have a lot of great resources in a messaging
material but when access the terror ocher and with national immigration and national security policy. >> that is an excellent presentation we go look at the psychology of how we talking try to educate others so i think that was an amazing presentation that the young people are doing this. >> i do absorb that information like a sponge so ironclad it is useful. >> [inaudible] give us the name of the book
began?. >> i will be the name of three of them. the result of longer trading on and social psychology and the first book is called thinking fast and slow. the second book is called incog need go. -- incognito the third book is from the old bishop in the talks about how america has all segregated itself and with those various
concepts this is so whole section of conscious thought and unconscious thoughts sauternes% of the brain function is conscious. ninety% is under the surface. if you put them in front of a screen to say in the first round if it is positive hit right button if it is negative do the left button. if you see the savage fat person has left skinny press right. then they were told a positive word or the image of the overweight person hit right because people don't
associate overweight with positivity so there was that implicit bias. but my favorite clip to use is fox news where they talk about that capacity to use to build a nuclear bomb landed nuclear physics talking about a the fax and then a fox news panelist interjects to say it is like baking a cake you have the ingredients and pan and recipe just bake a cake even if you disagree she got through to quicker because she used a metaphor to get to that audience understanding immediately. not everybody understands physics everybody has baked
discussion. i would say as much as above to provide this it is more capacity. there are only two of us to rand is now there are four of us but we are still limited. with national and regional spokesperson training. with those various regional areas to insure they are prepared for local media. that is still what people trust the most. and we will bring in the habit -- academics and where we end up going at any given time and to get some names from people but we're also
seeking to add people some zero faa our about to go on with media we are happy to do that it is a capacity question more than anything else. [applause] >> we will take a 10 minute break before rigo into our last panel. there is still a couple of lunches back there. or even if you just want to take the cookies. [inaudible conversations]
state verses to state to be in the best interest of the palestinians. so with that i will turn it over to the moderator. >> i.m. us a director of analysis for global understanding and i will be moderating today. thanks to everybody who helped organize the panel so just a of a? note on the of format each panelist will speak 10 or 15 minutes we will go back and forth before opening for q&a . one states toward tuesday's solution what is best for the palestinians? with
increasingly challenged with that practical yet desirable. with that single democratic state including those palestinian citizens of israel is going to the transformation of apartheid south africa and inspired by the civil-rights movement day advocate the use of boycott of economic and political pressure to respect palestinian rights with this new trump administration is real propose any withdrawal from the occupied territory makes it more distant than ever. with that wandered two-state
solution of. one of the state department with that trump administration declared support but on the of the side of the debate the best way to realize rights is a separate independent state due to the intransigence and the support of that. sold 52 percent of those with at tuesday's solution and then to say 52 percent believe that tuesday's solution is not viable anymore. said those results very when and how it was asked? and
interestingly the majority of palestinian citizens of israel they are equally opposed intended to cement control. and with those of occupied palestinian land and was zero over the west bank. and with that two-state solution for girl in with that ball for a declaration with the partition plan calls for the jewish state in palestine. in with the negotiation process. el that framework that sets the national interest.
so now i will introduce the of speakers as a writer and academic is lectures on politics and the arab world of islam. >> so we have seen the last three years alone about violence only in the arab-american community that has been one of the allies in the fight against the muslim man with many members working with black flies matter am particularly and looking at charlottesville.
i am good? of caper go so we know the nature to exercise freedom of speech and their right to protest with as civil-rights attorney and with that i hand that over. >> charlottesville is a bucolic college town if you believe the university of virginia and the leadership of the community that much of the south has a terrible history of race relations. talking about the destruction of whole community of urban renewal and the professional class that none of whom are from
the city so we have an african-american and population of second-class citizens in charlottesville. and then in order to protest the removal. and if you saw the video of what transpired that day. of bothers and others profess to be liberal. and with those medical outcomes and the infant mortality rate. and all of those that are involved in charlottesville talking about a period of two months of july 8 when
the kkk have a rally in those students at the time were in the rotunda of the main building designed by thomas jefferson. and we have people here who are present when all of the s-h-i-t- went down. and for those of the rest of us to have see the nazis come down the street with a semiautomatic machine guns standing there with assault rifles with all kinds of guns and other forms of weapons. it is quite a shock and it
makes it difficult to step back to see where this it's in america. but the election of donald trump and those that protested in charlottesville have the year of up president and it is okay to be a white supremacist so with an introduction let's do that chronologically. and those that were present at the university surrounding and we can tell them that perspective. >> thanks for having me here
having just graduated from university of virginia in to organize the response while ads undergrad. so between august 11th i was in the street metic capacity when the st. medics with of medical training -- training with those combat medics better in the thick of the situation. so that friday night we have found out and then one of
the main fields from the thomas jefferson statue with the information that has gotten out that they will march at 8:30 p.m.. we cannot let this happen. in those neo-nazis' marching through. and at the time we are unsure what would happen to grab a banner reactive against supremacy. and then to see what would happen so that evening i was there watching and for those
other walking down the sidewalks. and then they gathered on the field in then to live up the torch's. in then we were not expecting so many but the even more shocking but no sign of campus police with law-enforcement with that assembly on the field so they lit the torch is to start marching that that time and then to surround that statue and basically going through the heart.
and they were formed by them i knew we were outnumbered and all you could hear was white lives matter and then include some of the footage so a bunch of my friends in that circle would get pepper spray so in my role as a street neck i had to be sure they were all doing okay i was giving medical treatment for when the police finally showed up to say this is the unlawful assembly to kick us out and telling us to get out of the area.
but i was trying to provide medical treatment. so with that administrative negligence that encapsulates their entire attitude which basically for the past year the administration's stance has been a door that in this is what happens when you ignore that and telling people not to engage and then you have them come march 3 your campus so was it is disheartening about the administrators response there has been no true accountability the president has acknowledged there were student protesters even though vice president joe biden acknowledged that with his op-ed piece so maybe it
talking about these issues for a long time they did not believe the us they thought we were exaggerating or blowing things out of proportion we did in action right after the donald trump election where we disrupted university of virginia where we were requesting for a the police officers using their announcements to say donald trump things like make america great again. and say you need to fire those police you cannot promote this message of hate so we ask them to protect our students and the people that go to the school and at
that time the band was not out yet so it was so outlandish they were like were you talking about? so after we had a meeting with president sullivan and a bunch of students talking about the racial injustice happening to a variety of students and for her it was a time to step up and acknowledge to take accountability for what was happening on the grounds and unfortunately they take no lightweight how they don't address things and then from there they spiraled out of control and in late spring there was an event with a
group of the same people involved in july 8 and august 12 to talk about interracial in justices no refugees these are on the grounds in late spring with students thing community members went out to confront them that we are about inclusiveness and diversity but that administration did not address the violence on that day. people would mnuchin day nazi racial slur but the university did not say anything about it. so silencing people says don't pay attention don't go to the events and this is what happens.
i think this is a great time to reflect and the city of charlottesville to find a way to move past it. >> among us the only native of charlottesville is next and active within the community for a variety of issues. criminal-justice, housing, s he was there early in the morning with a group of ministers so share with the audience what your experience was. >> cry was out early in the morning and had the honor to be with cornell west and we arrived around 8:00 in the morning and our toes were
touching the sidewalk there was a set up of barricades' so in between the behind the second barricade was the neo-nazis so whoever created the entry point so however you want to consider them they came directly past us and the haight started early in the morning 546 would walk past end been tapped you in the head and they had news groups they're asking people does godlike careers?
-- a clear? and then to say the gospel but not really focused but then about 930 or 10:00 things started to get really, really bad. i know personally of view of the officers from the police department so i took it upon myself to walk up to the barricade and ask will you step in that any time? clearly they are violating the law in you were standing here being a witness. but i just want to touch on something that one of you ladies said nobody is
specifically coming out or stating that white supremacy is wrong because we have to remember the legacy. virginia is the city doing what it had to do virginia verses board of education but that wasn't until 1959 suez a native that my age things have not changed or even before jim crow era. this is rhetorical of charlottesville so for them to be comfortable and to embrace this which is totally wrong then we have a city government that
actually embraces everything they stood for that day. people reaching from the side one had to leave to go get stitches she was stabbed , they had to break out of the barricades the entire time the police were standing there. it is no way to paint the picture any other way but that entire government to stand beside them to set up this porch light even end anywhere they feel comfortable because they are protected. as long time citizen of charlottesville to be involved with several assault charges.
and then to push back but the moment somebody assaults him than they are seen in front of the judge it is not right and it is some awful so if you consider yourself a person that believes right is right you cannot make excuses we are in high racial all tension times right now. is always been deep that has been hidden inside policies. islamic people, arabs, a mexican, hispanics it does not matter who or what you are that the same time they forget to embrace the fact that our ancestors we have just as much a right to be here it's anybody else.
and that is all i have to say about charlottesville. >> we would be remiss if we didn't mention the most terrific they would be the murder of heather with a car in the injury to 19 people at the scene and another 16 elsewhere the total was over 30 the somebody was killed purposeful by an automobile and it looks like he wanted to kill a lot more. and to mention a couple other things, it is worth noting i have been critical of the police department i also ran for the commonwealth attorney which is the district attorney there one week before i was arrested on the complaint of a neo-nazi that i put my hand on him just to show you where the police department was that they not only took
the complete but arrested me in 1230 the morning to take me to jail then i did see a magistrate and was released and i am going on trial october 23rd of this charge but that gives you an indication the police department is split idle thing they are in favor the you have to understand a lot of those police officers come from world virginia that is still an important part of their heritage and the likelihood but to go back to the panel, if you can extrapolate how does this reflect what is happening in america today? we're all * just because of our religion or color of our skin we're looking at this all around the world so what
is happening around america? >> we have some changes to make the truth needs to be revealed there has been a lot of wrong done with the african-american wins a specially we had the islamic ban we have so much going on in america right now and the alleyway is to have discussions we don't want to have. to not deal with the of them remember the that is
something you will have to eventually face we know some of those policies that have been created that leave certain cultures and races behind and they cannot move forward to say african-americans are making the same amount of money that is unacceptable. we work three times harder to get promotions or positions we have a mass incarceration issue we need to focus putting men in prison. education that needs to be reformed well over 100 years but that needs to be blended and we need to learn who we are it didn't start with slavery and that is of vivid
fact that we need to teach our children so there are great african-americans and in this world to feel like we can become who they are. we need to stop the of banking discrimination the average amount of home ownership with the bank discrimination if i go get a loan and ask my friend why she will get a better interest-rate they and me. that is what we have to focus on to make america other country that it is with these policies affecting certain communities for a long time and these policymakers -- policy makers need to understand i could not tell them not to manage their
money or i could that tell the rich person which interests -- investment to make that we need people who create policy and work with people who have the money and then understand that should not issue from the white house you should turn your position you should not be able to buy your way into anything. [applause] >> the question was really what you see the impact of the series of events if it reflects where america is that?. >> it is unfortunate we had to witness and be there during this time and it is almost an explosion with this voskhod we have been
living under in this post racial society with people thinking income equality or if we had a black president now all these other people of color were automatically put into positions so this event this is the united states of america not cease, white supremacist supremacist, kkk this is said. it is disturbing to do think about to see those images again and to go through that it was a slow motion turn of events you have the national
guard standing around and that just isn't the lack of winter appearance. watching the entire weekend have been. up and watch her get hit by a car they did nothing. and this is a time to reflect or talk about this is america us to analyze how much we want have zero trump got into a the presidency where this white christian resentment started with immigrants coming in and the
end of slavery and reconstructionist there was a time where they were holding into positions of power and wealth so we have been living in this time of the monumental legislation with the schools that are integrated now nazis are marching down charlottesville. site thing that is the time to recognize we have not made those post racial advances we thought we had made. there has been smaller vances -- ambiences but nothing has changed people who literally want to kill
you walking down the street can do nothing about it. and then going back to a timer that is true it is here we have just seen in different forms of mass incarceration, jim crow is that tv violence to focus on that the facades has been taken down. >> charlottesville also represents a jump sure how we viewed the interactions walking around on august
august 12th i had to carry a patient through a militia and i had no other way to get a patient out of their there were all heavily armed with this independent militia us not affiliated with anything so one of the goals callers need to reconcile what does that mean for free speech this is one reason this is the reason why they chose the stand down strategy with weapons around the city that they were letting people fight it out in the streets
so they thought the intervention would start a massacre. so why was that allowed to happen in the first place? and with a paid-up -- freedom of expression. not just individuals but those with a huge militia that has been assembled. that'd is emblematic so that it is a real to watch that story unfolds with the media so sometimes it feels
>> i can tell you our experiences since then many more people in charlottesville are more conscious of the issues discussed today of a kkk and the white supremacist and the consciousness that seems to be growing so the you virginia center for politics had a survey even though a very small percentage of people support the nazis but 13 percent believe that white people are under attack which is pretty amazing when you think of them controlling everything that they are under attack and that is a lie perpetrated by the all right
are and we all americans? wiry dividing america? think zero. >> it think of things keep going as usual in the same people get into power with the same institutions keep giving the same results we will go down a bad course that the alternative is people who understand who have human value for other people who care those become politicians items see any way of change if we will now make that change it has
spencer real to experience the education at university of virginia to say this is where it all starts to produce the same type of people that fall into the same political positions that are in government and the united states will stop the violence that is happening in row we're taught at university is to continue that and not break that cycle with a curriculum that teaches the people's history how do we get a out of this mess? it is happening everywhere all these people know are manipulating everybody else in the world and dividing those economic issues through race manipulating
the grassroots movements that are so powerful. i was in a follow-up to her question as well. no one wants to be accountable for wrongdoing. no one wants to say i was wrong. we can get over being wrong sometimes. but we cannot continue to be lied too. and to tell us what is really happening. that's one of the things that were dealing with in charlottesville. not meant transparent. i will give you just a little timeline of events that happened. the university was notified at 3:00 p.m. that this march was
can take place at seven. they were notified at 3:00 that it was gonna take place at 930. have they notified the city of charlottesville. i think people could have made some type of action to stop the permit prior to saturday morning. we have an event take place at 930. accountability is huge. and from our governor all the way down to our senator all the way down to our mayor and our city council. no one wants to take accountability. jeff and i had been in every city council meeting since this has occurred. it is frustrating because you
they don't mind going into a black community. or shooting someone in a car when they don't mind. when they are afraid but you're not afraid of someone else that looks just like you. that's all i can really say. >> in terms of legal action in terms of external groups i'm not sure that there has been a lot but you can see to this too. the city council has asked for an audit. if the city is pain this person is that really a
third-party review we kind of think that they are going tell the city council things they want to hear. the last city council meeting monday tuesday, i stood up and i said i was very disappointed with the city for lying to the public insane that they were doing an independent investigation of the events that occurred he was out weston district attorney for the federal courthouse which house on main street. he also was responsible for sentencing gun man who was born and raised in charlottesville to two life sentences in two years. none of these young men had it enough money to pay for an
attorney. the people like john gotti and others went to jail for. we questioned what this is an independent in dependent investigation. he has worked closely with the city of charlottesville police department. the drug area task force which is a drug task force. that arrest young african-american men for drug charges. and they continued to say that this is independent. the review should not had been my anybody in charlottesville. related to anything that occurred in charlottesville at all because it's a conflict. and they continue to say that the ask this man to do this. when they can speak on the request that they pulled. they didn't ask him to do it he offered. and i let justice speak on the rest.
>> the former u.s. attorney from the western district he put lots of people in jail for these mandatory sentences which were off-the-wall he believes in the death penalty. he has worked closely with the city of charlottesville. on the day after this incident he sent it e-mailed to the mayor who he knows well and who he provided financial support to and his election. as well as a city manager sayed what you all need is an independent investigation. in the basket in the world to do it. i'm going to charge you $550 an hour for anybody in the firm that works on it. that is a steep discount for my normal fee. that speaks to the class of people who are running charlottesville his interests
are being protected which are essentially the professional class and the developer class. i wanted to point out something that was very frightening. let me come back to that later. >> it looks like your four options here. the mighty pen. you have to keep writing and keep it in the media and the articles and books or whatever. as soon as they're going to pick up and look at what's going on. if to get out there and vote. if to organize. and run for things. and then you have that power of that voice. look at what happens in massachusetts. the white supremacist showed up they canceled this because
25,000 people showed up against them. they were afraid. you had four ways and money speaks loud. the bad publicity is one thing that we have in this country. and then again go out there and protest. people don't like it when the city is in protesting constantly. they will get rid of it. there were are a lot of protesters in groups stating for racial justice. the black lives matter. there are a lot of people that protest. to touch on the money and you are are controlled by money and you could easily buy your way into things. it's hard to do. and then one thing about charlottesville. one thing i can say places that people want to develop and move to they were not
allowed to do it. and then once the big money comes in. they were able to do it. it's a little bit harder in charlottesville it is also written by the university. [inaudible] if they're worried about the stuff going on. the more you write about it you can go to harvard or yale. how the police force works. the morse that has been reported his yearly love and hannah graham. a lot has occurred at uva to
kind of dwindle down the numbers of people attending the school. when you have a police force that is protecting the university that's not reporting all of that. i completely understand my what you're saying. i need you to understand that being born and raised in charlottesville with the daily progress. they will pay a picture we do need our own networks. we need our own newspaper. we need people that can invest in us and have these things. working let someone else ask us questions. the university sets up a committee to deal with the
question that question of slaves having worked at the university. at of the has come a fact that 5,000 slaves built that university. it has been we will build a memorial. just back pay. i'm talking about back pay for people that build the university. no we can't do that. this is a university with a 5.5 billion dollars endowment i think the largest public endowment in the country. and they will not talk about helping the people who built that university. i think 1921. it is a reference.
giving a grant of $1,000 yesterday. upon hearing in this. they calculated that. so is equal to $12,000. and then they reinvested that. with the medical funds. i have a friend who was very serious about that. the solutions where we will put the $12,000 they need to be doing that. i'd like to talk about the psychology of our nation we
could go into all the details i can't imagine what horrific experience you all have been through. thank you for being here and telling your story. even talking about how important it is to tell the truth and the story. it's a nation that has committed a top atrocities. with the people from slavery and the japanese internment and goes on and on. if a nation does not take responsibility in schools are history. we won't be able to change something. the only thing i can say about having trump as president it's not like he created this he fleshed it out. it's like now on the table. i know people will be so
outraged that they will say i did not realize this was still happening. i know that germany teaches in their school system about the holocaust. we do not teach that. the other thing is looking at the white supremacist is about the fear of the other whether it's americans or muslims or latinos or african-americans. and that's what needs to be addressed which also relates to that. what we need to talk about. it is get back with the dignity and respect and fairness.
and how do you see that applied to all of us. >> let me just say i'm a big and having grown up as all of us did in america i know how much i was taught about america that was met. if those myths that have become an ideological center. they refuse to give up the myth. when was it great. for whom. when did we really have a democracy. none of those things are really true. and you need to undo those myths in order to have those conversations about what the real life is in schools have
to be teaching jack. and the notion that they have which i find strange which is they will not talk about the truth and then you have a politician who talks about the truth. a number of them supporting a candidate for city council's slogan is unmapped the illusions. it is at world-class city for all of its citizens. that is the myth that goes on.
seems to me if you open up and said i was wrong i certainly would be more engaged with someone who admitted their mistakes as well as their successes. it has been such a heavy hour and i really appreciate i'm kind of curious you who were undergraduates at the university of virginia. is it a little bit more hopeful inside with undergraduates are undergraduates not self segregating, our they talking to each other and not living in their own little bubble are people trying to make it better or is it as gloomy as anything else i have seen the last hour. i have seen especially after
the events of august 12 and trying to engage with that. i've seen way more students than we ever dealt with while organizing an undergrad. to me that is very heartening that more and more students were shocked by those events. and realized that now is the time to get involved and work on groups like the living wage campaign. as jeff noted 35 percent of the charlottesville community is struggling and some might and a lot of those folks in fact it's interesting that in
charlottesville the rate of poverty is higher than the rate of unemployment. people are working but they're not getting paid enough. and the university of virginia is one of the largest employers in central virginia. they are not paying their low-wage workers enough. and those students who are now getting into activism i see a lot of hope for the general student body. i still think there is a lot of hierarchy within the student body as i mentioned before kind of the culture of political leaders and is still definitely lives on in the student body. we are trained to break that and undermine it so that we are not replicating the same cycles of a political leaders in. not to be gloomy.
on what they were saying. there are a lot of students that are now more involved and more attracted to student activism but there's also another side of activism which is that right wing. there has been a resurgence from what i've seen of the other side of student activism whether it's young or americans for freedom or a turning point usa are all of these other student groups that are now on the wagon of free speech. there are posters all around uva. then new group identity. a white nationalist group who is posting people are getting braver in terms of expressing their racial injustice to people. there is a side of hope in terms of people being more attractive but then there's the other side of people
having more audacity and be more comfortable saying the truth and how racist they are. in saying that it's free speech and they have the right to do this. and say things that hurt a large majority of students at the university. i do see hope but i do see a resurgent of people on the right. >> think you first sherry your stories today. working in that definitive right. we understand and supports these issues. in the white supremacy with both of our communities. with hispanic americans arab americans. what would be your top key recommendation to the university of virginia that they should change within the next fiscal year in order to address some of the issues
that they discuss their today. the amount of african-american students and you ladies know that as well. to change that would be to bring more people and that's not the norm. i also believe that the university should invest some money in redoing the history that has been taught even on a college level. it needs to start ineligible elementary school. the truth of the university should also be told and that people should know walking into the university what it really stood for. yes thomas jefferson was a founding father.
but he was a slave owner and morally that was wrong. i think if schools start with that i think we would get where we need to be i may not be here but it will happen. the things that have happened on campus that really never take accountability for. whether it is about race or gender really is starting that conversation with each other and having a president that is willing to have that hard conversation about how do we fix this.
recognizing the importance of the charlottesville community and stop pushing out people and making it unaffordable for people who are from charlottesville to be able to live in charlottesville also think they need to pay their workers a living wage. i would say what i see the university of virginia doing is rhetorically expressing condemnation of white supremacy but at what i would like to say is without a step further. they are really good at talking about it not so good about on acting on it. and then within taking action steps they also need to be thinking really critically about democratic governance and what true governess means.
not just a token student representative on a working group where you are actually listening to the student body and not just the student body but allstate holders. it includes the workers of the university faculty members and the self-selected people to lead these working groups for every crisis that pops up. every time we see they the select that same people over and over again. i would like to see the university fire in the public relation staff. some students had shrouded in at the statue the statue of thomas jefferson in protest about his history of racism
and of having rate to his own slaves. the president of the university condemned those students referring to thomas jefferson's statue as sacred ground. and that the students have desecrated sacred ground. to its credit as a result of pressure from the community. they just changed columbus day. in that context i took a look at what thomas jefferson had to say about indigenous people. and it's not far from the heart of thomas jefferson and the in the declaration of independence which he wrote he refers to indians as merciless savages. later on he calls for the extermination. they profess to be a renaissance man who was the founder of the university considered to be at monticello where the house was. the greatest person for
standing for liberty in american history who believe in genocide of the people. you could just exterminate the people you didn't like. we have to start dismantling the smiths. that doesn't mean you can't admire jefferson's writings. or that they kept track of the temperature. while he was exercising. taking care of his garden for three hours. and working with his slaves. and running the country or been in france none of these things could have possibly have happened at the same time. these are the kinds of myths that grow up around this person. it's important --dash make
important to undo the myths. pay workers a living wage. this is unbelievable. at the university being paid minimum wage. $7.25 per hour. university with a football coach gets $4 million. and something has to be done about it. they owe it to the people would start with that wages. and it can go i can go right back to the community and the people we all know that there was a majority african-american community in charlottesville at the time of liberation. since that time, it is down to under 19%. something has happened to push black people out of charlottesville and it was not good.
i like to thank the peano for being here with us. and just as a programming note we are now having the art exhibit we encourage everybody to go there to check out the art. it's opening. from there at 7:00 approximately we will have buses that will shuttle us over to the cultural center for the evening reception. the panels are done for today. tomorrow morning we start at 9:00 a.m. with a panel discussion about little syria and the impact on the american identity. i encourage everybody to be here for that. i would like to give a round of applause to our panelists. thank you very much and coming appear. it has been a very fascinating discussion.
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assumption or belief that the dictators list used political power wisely that they were kind that this was the most important for intellectual. lisa monaco who served as president obama's chief counterterrorism. analyzes security threats during the obama presidency and what's ahead for the trump administration. duke university hosted last week's event. good evening everyone. welcome to our distinguished lecture. i am sally