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. >> eppley is space in the article decisions this morning was social media and now please welcome mike allen. [applause] good morning.
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good morning to those of you who are here in the audience and also c-span perot thinks for making this possible from miami native state i am from southern california of the we're happy to have him here. joining us electronically. the event's team has ben a holding a bipartisan breakfast with french toast and rolls with cream cheese san razzberry dipping sauce. then the oats are layered with the strawberries and blueberries just like at home.
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we appreciate those so if he'll hop:to the axios.com that to me people smarter and faster of the most important topic to make better decisions and our events are a manifestation of that said to have a fantastic conversation what is practical and what we should be shooting for with a bunch of front-line players so now we have set the stage and has been such a great part of the first nine months working on the business side of "politico" and then your times in the editorial side of cnn and
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"washington post" so i very unusual 360 perspective of the great media trends, our experts sara fisher. [applause] >> so with any good story will find out why it matters and you popped up this morning how democrats and republicans communicate differently. >> totally this you research center looked at all the social media all the of press release and there is one key difference that republicans tend to go to social media first woman went to communicate. democrats will go to a press
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release i talked to a veteran in hill member and she said one of the things you will hear all the time democrats over a policy first in republicans go to message. that is a different way to communicate. >> what does that tell you about why?. >> the republicans would tell you drafting a message is the important part to explain the policy review don't with the right way it is lost but democrats explain the rationale is how they delivered a message is the afterthought so i will say talking to people on capitol hill you see a lot of members and representatives that go to social media to break
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through it doesn't necessarily mean that dynamic is that way forever but it's what we found during 2016. >> with the weekly media trend it is a super popular speaker with changes of consumption in dissemination so powless the way my nephew gets information from his senator different from the way they send information?. >> totally different first of all, that member will go every single outlet with the traditional press release, a social media, one on one groups with lobbying members on capitol hill. but he'll only be reached by his member by social media
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only by one night that is what a half years so many beds because you don't know where your constituent is or when so this is very different a few years ago you could just do a press release so now that is why communications staff and social media staff. >> it could include senators or foundations what can public policy communicator's learn and what do we know about a snap chat?. >> snap chad is very powerful there constantly calling themselves a camera company that every message is a big beautiful bright picture or video.
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forests along on capitol hill how we see the world staff chat taps into that so twitter canady and about you to attach pictures without going against your character count. it is the way member should look into. >> so setting political communication a george washington how has that changed graduating from gw has changed?. >> people on capitol hill and the surrounding power brokers baring gauges in social media. he is called the first social old media of president but he was a prolific so some of our advertising partners in
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washington will tell you you have to be on social and that is different especially since the president has taken to twitter on almost a daily basis. >> but people can't tell right away if it is the official?. >> i think they can so with studies of the younger kids they crave authenticity and this is why you to stars are born they are young up in comers. you can tell when they put a link to the press release or
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when they come back with a quip or something sharp it is probably one of the staffers. >> so what if something that is coming up in media veterans or that we should be watching could affect what is actually getting done?. >> the agency dynamic that most people need to communicate the the agency to help them weather a puerto rico form -- a puerto rico firm so now the small hand in both groups have the biggest companies in the world. a lot of those are in d.c.
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pearl it is a great opportunity for those who are trying to get into the agency world. >> is media helping or hurting polarization?. >> look at it either way. it tries transparency on what people should know about. >> i have a fun fact about you. how many mail contacts? of its achad couple thousand. [applause] >> now to our viewers.
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>> and now it is the honor to welcome to the stage we have been talking up these big issues of what is possible from south florida the congressman. [applause] >> so backstage you said you had a formidable experience involving sports with the best possible preparation to be on capitol hill. >> referee high school basketball. of course, the parents were the worst of the kids were o.k. but the bill to lot of character. and you will get heckled if
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you do a really good job no one will say anything just walk quietly for drug that is like politics one of the big problems is the referees want the game to be about us it is about as i did learn a lot. i recommend it. >> you are 37 officially a millennial. >> thank you. some put me as the young gen x or old millennial. [laughter] >> you have ben reaching out across generations. what is it like to be number on capitol hill?. >> it is a different
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perspective i feel we are more sober that we lessen some of that will play that many in washington have become accustomed to. so i do think it will take new generations in order to have the political renaissance that we saw our lead over desperately need to bring a more sober and of all conciliatory approach to politics. >> restrikes for the current congress. [laughter] what would be most hopeful about making a change?. >> some just cry out for
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obvious solutions we have been debating when the first dream act was filed to douse the one now talking 2017 doing nothing water reform introduced by president bush nothing has happened. the solutions at least to meet are fairly obvious in one of the things i am optimistic about that we may have the first meaningful significant emigration compromise since 1998. >> so with the dreamers or a the daca protection and?. >> that is our hope for accompanied by some regional border security that most americans agree to have a right and duty to control our borders and most americans want to stop that.
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was set of talking about the wall where people start to get divided but i don't think anybody believes we will build a 2,000-mile ball but we should do everything we can to have reasonable sensible secure borders. >> what is your sense is for each factor, and she thinks? what does he so four or recognize?. >> lenovo him well but i think if you look back at his life and career in business he is very pragmatic for gore really think he will take almost any reasonable compromise. i don't pay too much attention. i am obsessed with the president.
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those that are for and against kim that are obsessed with their dave revolves around what the president says and does. i just cannot do that. that is not healthy about anyone. i think about my wife and kids all day but the whole day does not revolve around them either. just like it did not let myself be defined by the last president. how you deal with donald trump? the same way it dealt with barack obama. so they have to agree every time.
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to work with the executive. >> during that bipartisan breakfast between that bipartisan action period or aspirational for girl stood talk about what you should shoot for and what is realistic. bipartisanship is not an end but a means to achieving good and lasting policy. space i got here in a few minutes. you cannot have results without a sober conversation but that is to have good
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policies hoping to play a role in the immigration compromised that there has to be a spending compromise that will happen at the leadership lovell but tax reform should be room for bipartisanship. so the ada is the framers believed people coming together with a rigorous debate then settle on something they can all agree in not knowing that everybody will get everything they want to. so once we have a couple major bipartisan women's with this type of behavior to crowd out those forces for political gain or financial gain.
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>> who we're talking about making a profit?. >> there is a lot of interest groups out there on poolsides -- both sides with business model to make people paranoid and scared and ask, for contributions send me $10 today. since there is a lot of anxiety and economic security people are susceptible to that. greater growth will make people feel better and more confident than people will just feel like they are bribes. >> water the chances in the
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democratic house?. >> and to have a fair tax system so one of those progressive tax systems in the world to pay a lot to fund government programs. so republicans will put in the fourth bracket. so that exist today and if we do that with our democratic colleagues consider supporting a tax reform package on most americans leading to greater growth.
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>> depending on the issue how you handle that?. >> to be a good referee. people in my district on the foreign policy issues are more conservative leaning like education strong supporters of education. so i really tried to do what is best for my district that is why i am agreement and sometimes i'm not. >> so on the democratic side there is almost not enough accountability.
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acting as expected to be independent contractor and you know, struggling to get the majority to pass this certain bills. >> use your generation and providing a stronger leadership?. >> we don't think the leaders are weak but daly a diverse group of people some of the or not prone to compromise. ended at democratic caucus it is easier for the leaders to be effective to bring that demeanor to the work.
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those two factors that our most important was personal discipline?. >> everybody knows the rules. you have to ignore just like climate change. i don't do that. but to live near sea level that is the key. to fall into these buckets and rolls.
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so yes that requires statistics in that sense. and that is in with the politics. and two of the compromise something that is done by seeking political cover trying to play it safe. is the opposite in most cases that partisanship is what is expected. with those republican members of congress that is what you are expected to do.
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so to break that takes more effort i don't think anything we do on the hill is courageous but it takes introspection and self reflection to break those habits to work with someone i am told i am not supposed to because it is the right thing to do. >> as co-chair of the future caucus focusing on millenials with is the biggest hope that you have for millenials to change the tone? [laughter] >> settled think we're doing anything to make things worse. we have to stop bleeding our
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turn and making demands of our leaders on both sides. with those democrats that are challenging we need to tell people we want to do this differently and restore the trust and confidence those who don't care for the government at all ask any millenials ec's social security and medicare is around for that they will laugh. . . get involved.
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get involved. vote but also communicate directly with your representative and let them know that you want things to change for the better. >> congressman, as we get the hook here, one of the purposes of your job, you met peyton manning in person and what was that like? >> growing up in miami i was a big dan marino fan and he was the end-all be-all when i was a kid and then when he retired i was young and i really felt the end marino's retirement and i saw peyton manning and i thought that was like a new version of dan marino so i adopted peyton manning went to a game and almost every year of his career and i think he's a standup guy and hopefully he will run for office one day. when you look at how he conducts himself and tries to bring people together, i think that is what we need. >> congressman carlos, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> thank you very much. [applause] now we will see a quick video
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from the hewlett foundation. >> the national institute for discourse has spoken specifically on the issue of how can we once again create a safe space for republicans and democrats to come together to actually deal with each other's people. basically, democracy is a conversation. how do we talk to one another and deal with our conflict. >> how is this next generation going to govern america? that is the question that the millennial action project is designed to answer. we are seeing a movement of young legislators coming together to. attended the divide our goal is
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to transfer democracy by recruiting and supporting servant leaders. those who served in the military and in the peace corps, we have had over 600 service leaders go to our program this year at the faith and politics institute we helped inspire members of congress to hold onto the values that drove them to public service in the first place and to reach across the divide and to bridge the gap and work together for the better democracy. >> i believe that a whole generation of young people want to get more involved in politics and that is what it is all about. we can ship the narrative from cynicism to optimism. >> we really believe that if over 10000 servant leaders got involved in a political ecosystem it is a movement that transform our democracy. >> what we now know is we have to revive stability and respect, not just amongst our leaders but amongst we, the people.
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>> thank you very much to the hewlett foundation. now, our next guest lived the dream that a lot of people in washington and some of the people in this room, certainly people in our audience, and he came to work in washington and was one of the youngest white house speech writers in history and then came back to get elected and become a congressman from his native new jersey after his summers in the jersey shore. official bio says his first bruce springsteen concert was in brandenburg arena. we are honored to welcome the state congressman. thank you so much for being he here. you are cochair of the problem solvers caucus. how is that going for you? >> it's going okay. we are up to 23 democrats and
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the republicans in the congress. we get together every single work in washington and people like carlos who, by the way, we are both in the big and tall caucus and we have a lot going also but he did not show up at the bipartisan workout and he did not show up and you should have given him grief. >> fair enough. we now know the bipartisan practice is the what is the bipartisan workout? >> it just tends to be half democrats and half begins and we work out. we do crossfit. it's run by a guy named mark from oklahoma and he was an mma fighter and these are pretty tough work out what is the difference in the workout style or endurance of democrats and republicans? [laughter] >> that's a good question. i haven't gotten that one. the workout -- we are both tough. like i said, the democrats feel
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hundred bring the towels and feel bad for the begins have a hard time. the caucus we did the only to answer your question from earlier, are caucus to the only bipartisan framework on healthcare so far. this summer we got together after the john mccain vote no late at night and we have been working for weeks, a group of us, 40 of us around the clock trying to get to a yes proposal on a piece of gear to get the csr payment on it to make sure that we could get premiums down into his is up and say the individual marketplaces as it was getting attacked. so, that remark we spent the rest of the summer getting to patty murray and alexander and there's an opportunity here and i don't think the story is over yet on saving this piece of
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healthcare and trying to get premiums down. >> is it over for this year? >> no, actually i think we keep rolling everything into december but this could be part of a grand bargain. there is still plenty of conversation going on. you see the alexander murray in the center hundred and we are working with them and the congressional budget office scored it and said it would be a gain for the country and helping the deficit down. i am optimistic that that scenario where we can get something done and we have to. we can't let just throw all these people on healthcare and have premiums go up 20 or more% in the next year. >> i am thinking of something in particular and there may be more than one, you are listening to your friend what is the least true thing that he said? >> i'm not answering the question. [laughter] >> i will give you a hint. what is the likelihood that top democrats will vote for [inaudible]? >> i think is real opportunity for some of us and a lot of us want to get there but the
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question is, for me and many people, this is a big regional breakdown. for those of us who are in the states where we have higher property taxes and higher state taxes the state level tax eliminating that is an enormous problem. it will mean that taxes will go up -- >> you were involved in a meeting last night on this. what's going on that? >> they had a meeting with the public and last night and that is my understanding. >> ladies and gentlemen, please take your seats. [laughter] >> i was expecting a grand entrance of someone. who is out there? [laughter] >> your people like peter king and your people in new jersey like leonard lance and a republican in our a lot of the
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states including ours pay in much more federal taxes that we get back to her states. as it is, were at a competitive disadvantage. in my district we get 30 cents back for every federal dollar we send in and in other states you get $4 back for every sentence and to add insult by injury by jacking up our taxes more and illuminating the deduction it's a huge issue. >> based on the intel you are getting where the majority is headed, what is the likelihood that you wind being able to vote for taxes? >> if they get rid of the state and local tax collection, it goes up a lot. congressman was right he said that he could see getting democratic votes, ultimately if they fix it. >> none of us, you may have, none of us have actually seen the plan. we haven't seen the full detail so it is hard to answer that question until you see the details of that we should have this conversation next thursday.
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>> one of your traditions back home in new jersey is joe with josh -- >> cup of joe with josh. >> what are you learning with cup of joe with josh that washington to pay attention to? >> new jersey is all about diners so we -- i'm wanting to know from people is they want us to try to figure out, to sit together and i hear this all the time that even if people are on opposite sides they want us to try and find a way instead of just screaming at each other. there will be issues that we won't get there on but there are plenty and we get together and try to figure out okay, on healthcare and tax reform and infrastructure hopefully on daca what we can find a way forward and that is i don't care what people parties are but that's what you're the most. >> congressman, you heard the injection with the -- herb, give us way back there.
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we were chatting before and herb said that a problem for you back home is that you are well known for working across the aisle and most of the democrats elected you don't like that. >> herb, have you been to the diners? [laughter] of course, there will always be people in the far left and far right believe we should obstruct unless you get 100% of everything. i don't believe that is how you govern. i started my work with president clinton and he said to work with democrats and republicans to move forward and get the yes. they gave him a hard time about it. we have roads, one third of the bridges in new jersey are considered unsafe and you have to fix this. you can't keep plenty. if you insist on getting everything you want every time you will never succeed in so that is where i am focused on
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and some people get upset about it. i think governing is not always getting a yes. >> a number of people in the audience here in our virtual audience and you had a formative experience involving frank of new jersey and smoking on airplanes. we were talking earlier about both practical and aspirational possibilities and this was both. what can a young person learn from that episode? >> i did not smoke on the airplane. senator, as you know, took on senators and smoking on the airplane -- >> for our guys it's hard to believe it exists right, back then people spoke in an airplane and that was in a section of the airplane but he took it on and it was hurt impossible. one of those third rails which given the lobbyists on the other side and it was one of those moments where you thought you can take on an issue. it's tough but you can overcome it. i have enormous amount of respect for him. he bought private and public
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sectors experience to the table and he was not afraid of a fight. so, that will push you in a direction. >> on capitol hill, what is the biggest pushback or resistance you have gotten to work with other members and to work with begins and to break out of the boxes that the parties have retreated to? >> i would say that given this wasn't a moment of history in the brochure when i iran that -- during orientation i'm sure what to say this to you because you're across party lines and you go to the kennedy school and they have all these different training seminars on process in congress and then you get there the first day and reflexively snap to their side and unless you actually make the effort you could spend time with people from your own party because your
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party caucus together and even though the house with sedatives can sit anywhere you want on the house for people go to their respective sides and you have to actually make an effort to spend time together and believe me when you go against the grain members of your party aren't thrilled with you and leadership is not to you. i think i heard carla say it was discipline and its discipline and also you have to to not be afraid to do what you think at the end of the day and it's best for your constituents even if sometimes it will ruffle feathers. so, every time i walk on the floor and make an effort not to just go to my side but the other side and talk to people about it. by building those relationships when you want to work on a piece of legislation in a bipartisan way, which i always do, then you have people that you worked with and trust. on our caucus part of the rules of the caucus is you can't campaign or write a check
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against anybody else in the caucus, democrat or them. how do you actually get to compromise with someone on an issue if they thank you want to kill them? it really ruins the spirit. then when we get to 75% of our caucus agreeing on the point of view we vote as a block together which hopefully will bring the middle and and fight the extremes. that is tough and mean sometimes you don't always get what you want individually but it's for the effort and i really see if you are disciplined as carl said and you do it every day and you use those relationships and build muscles that's been eating congress. >> i think this is been abandoned but for a couple of years at the state of the union there was a buddy system for you are encouraged to bring someone of the party. do any of the caucuses do that? >> in our caucus it's one on one. it's no was art. a democrat in a public and have to come in together.
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a lot of the caucus still have a system where you have to bring along a republican. >> congressman, you early on the facts and want to be learned from the vote the other night where vice-president pence [inaudible]? >> here is what i learned yesterday. at the facts, we had hearings -- >> let's bring our guest up to the issue. those of you who saw there was hundred 50 million or so people whose data was breached from equifax, one of the largest credit check agencies, three big ones and many of you received notices at home or received went to the website and you can find out if your data was compromised. the problem was in many instances the system was down people to answer the phones. when we registered it set your data was likely compromised by we are backlogged for weeks and you'll hear from us in weeks. i found that to be incredibly detrimental to people's credit and getting a car and getting a
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loan so we brought equifax and this was the second time we asked him to come to the hill and the ceo refused to come to testify, which i find beyond offensive, given how many people's credit for compromised. >> what is the take away? >> we have an issue and we have to keep pressing as i get legislation done on the house inside. so that there has to be rules and replace when you have a breach and how to respond. >> what is practical and what could happen? >> on this? >> yes. >> a clear coat on conduct of how you should have to respond and in a period of time. >> how much of on either side is there? >> bipartisan will on this one.
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people are very frustrated in their constituents are extremely angry about this. i hear about all of this all the time and against due to. >> is one of the younger members of congress, what will you do to get younger leaders for house democrats? >> i spend a lot of time on the phone talking to other members who are similarly situated in the sense of position wise, moderate, willing to work across the aisle and that what happens is in my district a lot of the seats tend to be tougher seats to pick up and spending time and it what it takes and how to get it done but also what it is like when you are here. they leave that out of the manual. [laughter] they talk to you about the running but what it's like to be here and i think it's for people to understand and that's what i spend a lot of time talking about. >> what about younger leadership? >> i think this is a very big issue on our side.
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you want to make sure that when we get younger people in and we encourage them to run which we are doing more and there's an incredible amount of people and it's a breath of energetic people. the question is when they get here not being frustrated after a term or two and i hear this that you want to make sure you move up in leadership to that's a big issue talked about. >> you are someone who really knew washington, as we say, what was the biggest surprise either a perk or a chore of being an actual number? >> this is obviously a perk here. [laughter] the biggest benefit is that -- and even though i have been here a long time walking onto the house for as a member of congress, representing people, it's a pretty -- >> but what about people want from you or what people give you and what --
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>> it's a surprise how little time you have to do things. the amount of activity you get done to read the legislation and people don't realize if you don't get bills months out you get them the day before or if you're lucky, a few days before and the week before. you are trying to make sure you read it and analyze your voting on and often, you are walking on the floor and they changed something and they get it to you and your in the back of your staff trying to read it fast and make sure that you don't vote the wrong way. i found that to be shocking. also, the things you need to get done in a day. the schedule is crazy and to do the job right and i believe there is a way to do this job and if you want to do things like join the caucus and spent time in the caucus my staff always says to me that is extra credit. there are so much that you have to get done in the time you spend in the room we need.
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as members when we want to dig in and several nights we met on immigration reform and it was 9:00 o'clock at night when the members and we were in martin mcsorley's office with white boards and i think america would be happy to see this. there were 20 of us crammed in her office with no staff, just members of congress, with two whiteboards up debating and i think what we were working on healthcare reform that night debating what we could get to where and i thought we should take pictures of this and send it out because the people saw this they would feel better. i know i felt better given what you see on cable news. people screaming at each other and seen people work and we need more of that. that is what i am focused on. >> was there pizza? >> there were tacos and beer.
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>> i'm sad that didn't make pictures. >> maybe that's why we didn't take the pictures. >> as we think about it, what are the chances in january that you're in the majority? >> think a pretty decent chance. put it over 50% that were in the majority. >> thank you and good luck with that problem-solving. we appreciate you. [applause] we will see a youtube from the hewlett foundation and we'll be right back. >> [inaudible] the mission is to build trust and effectiveness in congress. we try to work with congressional offices to improve their operations especially as it relates to interacting with citizens and public citizens have a better understanding and
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relationship and better communication with the u.s. congress. >> understanding that this isn't just ideas or parties and that there is something underneath that helps us understand address political polarization. >> we do research and commission political scientists to study the overlap between racial polarization and political polarization the bipartisan index offers incentives to reach out and find there is something there that i might support but that might member might support something i think is important for my constituents. i think we are moving in the right direction. >> one problem is is that members of congress do not engage in give-and-take that goes into good legislation. one of the things we want to do is discuss the way of the originally intended to work as the founders do things to try to improve understanding and when
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the long run it will bring better policy. >> the voters want to see progress and they want to see the congress enacted legislation. >> it is not a situation where things get better over time and it's inevitable. we have real work to do. >> thank you very much to the hewlett foundation for that message. our next guest is the one of the best bipartisan builders in owning any branch of government and grew up in cole country, west virginia and learn politics from papa joe and mama k. we need to welcome senator joe. >> thank you so much. [applause] >> what would profit joe say about what is going on in washington? >> i would say papa, what is the
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difference between a democrat and republican. he would say not a whole lot but you put a pile of money on the table and they will both spend it all but the republicans will feel bad about it. [laughter] that's my political career. that started me off. >> what did mama katie to about navigating? >> i she was a one-woman social phenomenon. back in those days in the 50s you didn't have social nets. it was mama k. we had people and we live by the tracks we live by a fancy neighborhood and we had checked on one side and she was always working because there were 20 granted running around and she'd be running to try to get a mother hen and grandmother everyone up on the train went by. it was a setting that only norman rockwell setting but she took in everybody. she made all of us kids whitewash the basement, have a nice place and better for people
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to stay and anybody that hopped up the train and he had nicknames for peg leg peggy, and these were real characters. she would say that you always need to place to stay and they would stay with mama k and they could paint and carpentry work and then we would lose him. i come home from school and i would say where did lloyd go to and she would say they are back on the tube again. that was the bottle and she would lose them for about six weeks and she would say they would come back. any young lady or young girl who became pregnant out of wedlock and the parents would disown them or get mad at them and mama k would take them and so we had all these girls staying there, too. you could watch her untrained mama kate work her magic and she would invite the mother down to have lunch with her and the daughter would be there and before you know it they would go home together. i watched all that. olympic that. >> senator, when you talk about
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the tube you remind me of the modern version of that which is the 2:00 o'clock president is giving a speech about the opioid crisis, something that is hit cole country hard and west virginia, maine, the bangor area where i spent time and the united states government are they doing enough? >> no. we are just finding out that some of our agencies have done anything and they basically have heard us and by not enforcing and you read all the different things we have gone through and i don't know if that was intentional but i know one thing you cannot send it 9 million pills of opiate pills to one town of 320 people in west virginia county and say someone is on top of this. >> how did it sneak up on us? in the bubbles the problem was evidence for a lot longer and
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people realized and the new yorker points out this week that the numbers are put it in league with the aids crisis. >> this is a pandemic in the other route and definitely an epidemic. we lost 200,000 americans and that's more than any war since world war ii. we would've been rallying the troops and said we have to get national health involved in the cdc and get everyone involved in all hands on deck. we haven't done that. for small, how it got started and when you look back in the 80s the veterans administration trying to make sure they were taking care of their returning veterans and returning soldiers and the pain threshold became an element of wellness and they would ask what your pain threshold was. here comes a copy called purdue pharma and they said we have a
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miracle drug called oxycontin and gives you 24 hours with no addiction. the rest is history. it became so and when the fda does make here is the government agency say we have a product that we approve this product and it does what it's supposed to do. dea basically allows it to be distributed so drug enforcement agency and then you have your doctor who was the most trusted person next to your family member saying this will help you. they legitimized it. government, the most person trusted by your family and it became a legitimized and became a runaway train. then we had the [inaudible] tab scheduled as three and i got here in 2010 and i said i can't believe it that they were passing out vicodin like m&ms. >> to what degree do you think the president now gets it or what degree you think the white house needs to go further? >> first we have to get the secretary, dhs, get a drugs and
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have a personal relationship with someone with the experience and would -- >> would you suggest? >> i would say someone in the dea. [inaudible] >> this is the, whistleblower, say his name again. >> i can't try to pronounce his name. [laughter] >> that is a smart politician. senator, last night you are part of a group of red state democrats who met with the president to discuss tax reform. what was that like? >> it was very engaging. it was impressive and i've had quite a few conversations and we have a good relationship, back and forth and we agree to disagree and it's the way it should be. i truly can only tell you that when i am with president i truly have a feeling that he is much more comfortable trying to do a bipartisan deal then try to hold the parties in line. he will do it, i guess, because
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he's expected a republican president but you can tell the body language and his tone of voice is much more comfortable trying to find that deal and find a better. >> a lot of people will not believe that. talk them through a little more, like -- >> okay. i can only give you my experience. other people might have different experience. one time we were talking and he said joe, if i have on you and i come after you hard, would you over my health care and -- >> push the foot and buckle in, that sounds like you not him. >> maybe that's west virginia talk. when a person says i need you, i need you, i need to and i say
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mr. president, no you couldn't because i know there is a fix and there's a balance. we can find that middle and be that mr. fix-it president. you came through this process and an unorthodox way. it's not been the traditional and so you don't have to tell that line. find that middle enough people want. i hope that will happen. >> how did he react to that of a specific. >> [inaudible] if i didn't think there was a middle ground and right now we will find the middle ground that we have lamar alexander and patty murray and we think we have a good bill and when is last time you seen a major piece of legislation with 12 d's and walmart on it? does it happen that often. we know and the president has to embrace this. he has to be convinced and be shown that the two-year transition for the sr that would happen no matter what you did. if you did the skinny bill or
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the graham cassidy bill the matter what you did you have stabilize the market. it is nothing new. if we can get that and understand that we are moving forward we will do better. >> senator, i want to circle back on this because it's a good trait for xds. the 60 minutes whistleblower as the drugs are, what would be the advantage and your case for that and you mentioned to the president and -- >> this is my audience right now. >> oh, you will see him today at the opiate event. >> i think all 100 senators ago. this is not a democrat, republican problem. >> will you say. >> someone has have the background and expertise in been personally involved. you can find an awful lot of doctors and scientists to have a family member, child, daughter or son and it has affected their
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lives and their passionate and they can be swayed by as soon as i do this i will have a better job waiting for me and i've also got a piece of legislation revolving door. there should be anyone that says an agency that oversees and investigates and prosecutes that has a revolving door lincoln quit one day and go to the people they were investigating the next. that is wrong. >> you were chairman of the national governors association and what can washington learned from the state about getting things done? >> these were the good old days. >> what you mean? >> unless i looked and did a little bio on the governors there were only 50 of us and i was to terms and i couldn't tell you if they were a d or not. we all had the same problems. infrastructure and road problems and education problems and medicaid problems and we all had responsibility and on top of that we had a balanced budget
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amendment. we had to live within our combines. we were always in the first thing the governor gets was revenue estimates. this is what you have to work with. well, then you pick your problems based on your values. you can give all the wish list you want and make the political speeches you want to you can only afford to do so much. that type of constraint doesn't happen in washington because you have a printing press here. we may or promises, money and get them in debt and don't worry about it. we didn't have that luxury in this country has to get back to the fiscal responsibility. >> speaking of going further in debt. what is the likelihood that the senate is our democrats will vote for president from tax cuts? >> i gotta be honest with you. i don't think this is his tax policy. what you are seeing. they put a template out and were going to sit with it but he and i were talking and the president said joe, this will not be a tax cut for the rich.
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mr. and i said mr. president, that's a great place to start. >> what did he say that smart. >> that was at the dinner. there were eight of us and we had three democrats and five republicans and were sitting at a lovely dinner and then we had another dinner later on and it was at jared and yvonne go home and -- >> which was fancier? [laughter] >> the dinner that i got the most and i said we were having a nice dinner and the dinner they brought me in apple strudel and it looked like a beautiful egg. i thank you might have heard this. people were saying that and i'm thinking, okay i know i'm from a little coal mining town and i've never seen an egg served with a strudel so i am thinking what do i do with this and i said when in rome just go for it so i went to -- and it was ice cream. it was the french way you will the ice cream so then on top of that my staff and i go back to
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the office and i made a fool of myself not knowing that i had ice cream in the shape of an egg and i said when his last time that someone asked me in my governor friend from wyoming calls me and says what is wrong with you people in west virginia and can you tell the difference between ice cream and i said when was the last time you were in wyoming and use ice cream look like an egg. they showed me how to do it and i did it on the youtube thing and it went crazy. anyway, they were both very elegant and nice conversations. with that, when you have mike mullen who used to be -- he was the drape chief of staff the person who supposed to know what's going on in the world and the greatest threats we face and the question was asked general, what is the greatest threat to the united states basis and we had war and iraq and middle east and syria expiring up and all the things were going crazy
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around the world and i'm thinking i'm going to find out where the hotspot is. he never missed a beat. he never skipped a beat and he never pause. he said the greatest threat to united states of america faces is the debt of this nation. if we let this runaway debt continue it will be the greatest threat face a superpower of the world. that was sobering to me and i've always felt that because again, papa joe, my grandmother said joe, uncontrolled or unmanaged that will make [inaudible] out of the decisions you make. we've all hit times and the old saying. the rock to pay paul and if you don't change your ways both peter and paul will leave you. this is the thing we're trying to do and were playing a game of russian roulette. they want me to vote on legislation that i've been very clear that i cannot in good conscience say that you want now to use dynamic scoring knowing that we will start out if you
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give me the static score shows that what you and the changes you want to make show that we will be one and a half trillion dollars in the hole. that is static and that's what and static means this -- if we charge 35% for corporate taxes we reduce them to 25 and every point we know we know what that produces. dynamic says this, you got from 35 to 25 but when you stimulate the economy and it's the same as if you have 38%. the make sense? that is what they are hoping for. that would be like me knowing that i have my payment and mortgage payment the next day and tomorrow is thursday and i walk in and it's wednesday and i walked to the casino and walked roulette and say i will take care of my payment and that's exactly what they are doing. i said i can't do that. but what we can do is be
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competitive. can we be globally competitive, yes we can. can we be territorial and semper fi yes. they can't even determine what is the class. people start saying middle class is this much income and i'm going to tell all of you and everyone listening or watching the middle class in my mind is anyone to get a paycheck. if you get the paycheck you have deductions on federal state taxes and that's pretty much working people. that's the working class. the people on the top end of the food chain don't get paid the same as you and i do. once they understand the pass-throughs and capital gains and shoulders at the different ballgame. >> then you start getting ice cream that looks like an egg. i shouldn't have brought that up i can tell this is not the right place. senator, as he say goodbye here given where things are headed what is the likelihood that in january 2019 senate majority leader chuck schumer will be --
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>> he's a dear friend of mine and our politics might be a little different and they probably are that i'm more of a center, moderate conservative i'm physically responsible and socially compassionate. i don't know where i fit. i know common sense is common sense and you can't be in west virginia. you can't fool them. i said chuck, if people like me in the democratic party can't get elected you will never be in the majority. let me tell you, josh is a good friend of mine and a great young man and i can change it to things to change america today and you want to change the dynamics of this town first, i go to work everyday in a hostile working environment. he said what i mean and i said i go to work everyday as a democrat the deep by my name expected to make phone calls
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using the [inaudible] weber is republican will be my best friend and it makes no difference. republicans are expected to the same thing. they come to work every day and have to raise money and i said from day one that i will not do that. next ball they expect you to go into the district or the state that a republican is running if they're up for reelection and we call them [inaudible] because they are in a cycle and we want to d seminar or an art instead of a d. if you did that in west virginia every day and you're trying to get your fellow worker fired they would catch you in the parking lot and take care of you. they would make you understand that is on the way we do things. i told harry reid that i'm not making phone calls and i will not campaign against them and i haven't. i will not campaign against a colleague. if you want to change his place, there should be ethical violations which have rules and incentives and in the house
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there's an equitable violation if you campaign against a colleague and if you raise money and campaign against them. it would change the whole demeanor and dialogue of this place. next fall, if you want to change america changed the way we district. when we redistrict we do the senses of redistrict and make it be computer-driven and don't let me and republicans it down and draw our favorite lines. make diversity and make it more homogenous to work this out of computer-driven model that gives us balance rather than someone further to the right. we have driven this process and it's all right to be on extremes because we have a district for you. if you are a hard-core right or hard-core left will find a district for you. does that help? >> it does. senator, as we said goodbye here and i know one of your favorite things that ball is turkey hunting. how is turkey hunting like being a loftier? >> well -- someone will eventually shoot you back. >> senator, thank you for joining us very much.
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[applause] [inaudible conversations] >> senator, it is my honor to welcome to the stage and nbc news capitol hill correspondent and the host of nbc news casey. thank you for coming. even her friends for a long time and thank you for being here and congratulations on your time on nbc and will break news here and you have an exclusive guest. >> we do. will hear from senator rand paul in an exclusive interview on sunday. >> casey, your cover the white house and capitol hill and he been on the campaign trail and that's the bermuda triangle of public life. what is the biggest difference in perspective in the two ends of pennsylvania? >> i got my start on capitol
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hill which i've always felt gave me an advantage in some ways when trying to cover the white house because i think were challenged at the white house reporter you are working in an enclosed space around your competitors but also your sources who are all working out of the west wing and to a certain extent, a lot of the job is trying to figure out get the latest statements they are putting out and trying to figure out what is true and what is not true in the age of top things have changed a little bit in that regard but one of the benefits i felt like covering capitol hill brought to the white house coverage was there was a lot of predication all the time, back and forth, along between avenue. one of the things i learned early on is that very often you could track down information on capitol hill were hearing it before you even though you were sitting in the west wing and they also provided a different perspective and that was
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valuable. they are very different day today, as well, as you're working on the beat the white house is simply and especially now that i work in television it matters a lot white house is an enclosed, small space and that presents a unique set of challenges. capitol hill and i love covering capitol hill because it is one of the most opening and accepting environments. >> you could watch often touch the zoo -- >> right, you can stand outside the house for while they vote and very easily the house speaker gave a lovely speech last night at it annual awards dinner and jokingly photoshop to a few of us who cover him behind the trees and following him around and he was joking about it but that was an opportunity we get to have everyday and i quite rightly, appreciate. >> you have a tough questioning of senators out there and how do you know when to keep hammering
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and what is your thought bubble as you are hammering somebody? >> one of the things that is different about and i came from a background and i work for the associated press and television is a different medium and when you're speaking to someone on camera you speak up about how you are coming across and trying to listen to what they are saying and respond to that in the moment. my personal rule is i always try to be polite. that is my unfeeling and everyone approaches this differently and some people are very combative and that is not how i go about doing my job everyday but there's a difference between being polite and not asking the tough questions and i have found that
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very often when you ask a question in a polite way the answer you receive is remarkably illuminating because you get a chance to see how are they reacting to that as opposed to simply putting them on the defensive and winding up with an angry and unpleasant exchange. one of the things i try to remember when i talked to lawmakers is that there are people watching who have a very obvious question about what is going on and sometimes we as journalists forget to ask the most basic question and that is often times you would be surprised how many times that is something that people take notice and guns tension. >> what is an example of a question at home, a mama k kind of question? >> he will probably not be pleased at me for recounting this but when i carried hi coved him i asked carrie are are you smart enough to be president of the united states because that is the question that everyone had after the 2012 campaign. if this guy was going to take another run at the presidency and then governor perry, to his great credit, treated the
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question with a small degree of humor and willingness and i would say that i still consider myself to have a still good relationship working with him today and to a certain extent you have to ask those kinds of questions and a very, i would say at least, going back to what i said previously about being polite there is a way to ask that question that is not confrontational or out of line and it's an extreme example, i guess but i try to bring that spirit to my job everyday now. >> what is the time it didn't work read and get the answer? >> when it doesn't work it's more something where there's not a noteworthy moment. for the most part, i'm not sure i've had anyone take a question that i asked and react to it in a negative way and i think again i work hard to have cordial
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relationships with people because i do believe that you can have a respectful working relationship with politicians or that we should strive to do that without giving up any journalistic integrity or failing the people that we are serving and i believe that you can hold people to account and still be a nice person. that's what i'm trying to say. >> casey, the title of our event today is party wars and its progress still possible. since the time even covering public life and as we talk about the campaign trail [inaudible] in the speakers lobby for nbc news what would you say has changed about the pace and substance of our politics? >> quite a bit. the pace is something that i think affects the substance and when you talk to members of
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congress many i've covered for ten plus years there has been new faces as well. they will frequently and in private conversation site the use of twitter and the speed of information the way it travels as a reason why they feel closed-end. they don't have an option to work with each other because the viciousness of social media and very quickly they can put something out that use to be in the older days and this still happens from time to time but there would be a trial balloon in "the new york times" where someone who was writing the tax bill on the committee would call a reporter covers the budget and say were looking at this and here's the document and then they would write a story and it happened with the 401k within the 48 hours and it would go out
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and other members across the hill would read it and there would be the opportunity to gather reaction and get a sense and take calls from constituents and now that can go out in the morning at 10:00 o'clock and by 10:30 the breitbart news has written seven headlines and the office is receiving calls of people screaming obscenities on the other line and there is much less opportunity, i would say, for the bipartisan back and forth in deal making to work itself out over time without people coming under enormous and often very negative and difficult political pressure. that puts pressure on the bipartisan process and also forces more of the process behind closed doors. there is a very real sense among lawmakers that they can't let anything get out until they are ready to do the whole thing because this exact would play out and you start with the
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healthcare bill and were about to see it again with the tax care bill. there is real tension there between yes, people have easier access in theory but in reality it makes it harder, but for politicians, to attempt to work the other side and also for us to spend time covering the substance of the issue because we spent a lot of time especially and i would argue that i don't think any of us have experienced anything like what we've experienced the last nine months in terms of the speed with which the story is changing and that is something that we are all learning how to manage in real time. >> casey, the ultimate question on remarkable speech is remarks over the past week by former president george bush and senator john mccain and they all were harshly critiquing this president. to what degree do those remarks
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reflect what you are hearing a behind-the-scenes from other members and senators? >> i think they are very and there's not a long list of people necessarily who are willing to say that in those things in public but the list of people forcing them in private is much longer, i think. there is a very real and what, the republican party has been for years the conservative party that has meant things for how they hold positions on family are historically cultural issues but it is meant that a lot of them usually have put a lot of value on being polite and i think there are people who think that person trump doesn't meet that standard. the challenges for a lot of them that this as at the end of the day driven by voters. voters are telling them when they go home that they're not supporting the president enough in many cases. there are others and i would argue that just is in this
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category. there is a segment of the public party that is as a say in the suburbs and those politicians have a much different challenge is republicans beat they are in potential of losing their seats to democrats and they have a different challenge than people who are going back home to iowa but the reality is voters are looking for what the approach that person trump is bringing to the table right now and to the way things have traditionally been done here. >> this is really what the cover to spend mike from "the new york times" both have stories saying that despite those high profile speeches which should get the coverage that they did but in the end, at least so far, it does look like trumps party both the house and senate largely because what you're saying about back home that you agree? >> i do. i think that it really is splitting the republican party for this reason. there is a smaller group of republicans who were elected in
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a different time or in an area where taliban are publicans for example and this is anecdotal but i have spoken to many in that state who are appalled by person trump and who are more likely, i think, to vote for a democrat and this pressure on the republican from california on how to i take the stand or do i not and these are people who typically would prefer to go along with their leadership. if the leadership is sticking with the president that puts them in an awkward position and it separates them from the rest of the people in the party who are if you are from a solidly conservative state and district et cetera that is not suburban and this is a real cultural divide, i think, playing out and
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you can see it in the halls of the capital because those people are coming and saying, hey, every time we fail to do with the president wants us to do we get her back home and they are more afraid of a primary challenge. not necessarily from someone more conservative but more willing to be the kind of candidate that the president was. >> we always end with mike's top ten and our events with one [inaudible] we've had a hunting theme for the fall and you went hunting with united states senator. >> yes, with ted cruz. >> on my back. >> this year it was donald trump junior and the congressman from iowa post an annual pheasant hunt and he usually host the presidential candidate being iowa and at one year, rick perry went along and when credit crews did it be traced to the field. ted cruz, as i recall, did not
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bag any presence but he does know his way around and he's not someone who is, you know, not an avid hunter some way some are, not like paul ryan who knows his way around but i would say it was memorable. [laughter] >> but he didn't back any reporters either smart. >> no, thankfully we all came out of it unscathed. >> congratulations on your show on msnbc .com. would like to thank the hewlett foundation for making this possible. thank you for making this event possible and thank you c-span for curing this important conversation. thank all of you virtual audience in those here for your early mornings and the amazing axioms event staff to pull this off and the pool bipartisan breakfast this morning. [applause] thank you all for coming. have a great day.
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♪ >> a headline in political today, house nearly passes budget setting up tax bite by passing the measure to 16-to 12. republicans unlock procedural powers that allow the senate to pass a tax bill with the 51 votes. the story says that heading into the vote it was unclear whether enough republican lawmakers would support the measure. a band of republicans from high tax states vowed to vote no on the budget unless leaders scrapped plans to curb the state and local tax deductions currently in the republican tax proposal. house committee chair kevin brady released his committee's work schedule and the bill will be introduced on november 1st and his committee will start the market process on november 6
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with floor action expected before thanksgiving break. on the senate side, the senate finance committee should take action on the tax form bill later this fall and you can read that budget resolution and the associated tax reform language at c-span .org. click the congress tab. >> this weekend on book tv on c-span2. >> it's no secret politicians don't like reporters. nixon had a rough relationship with his press corps. their stories about ron siegler, his press person and getting into it reef reporters.
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but it's interesting public nature about it. from the stage of rallies and have the crowd and encourage the crowd to turn u turn on a simple us. >> on afterwards journalist in the former host of cbs, face the nation on the impact of changing technology and journalism in his book, overload. finding the truth in today's news. he's in a very by susan glasser. >> we need to keep your what were doing. that is trying to sort out the truth from the false. that's an overwhelming job in a bigger responsibility than ever because were dealing with more information. we have access to more information than any people in history of the world.
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but were running short on curators. were getting so much information that we really can't process it. >> today's 50 years and senator john mccain's capture vietnam. in the beginning of his time as a pow. we spoke some about his service, the president and the legacy of the vietnam war. you can watch starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern or listen to the c-span radio app. >> c-span's "washington journal", live every day with a some policy issues that impact you. on friday morning were devoting the program on sexual harassment. we'll look at the government's role in combating workplace sexual harassment. emily martin of the national women's law center will talk about private sector efforts to address the problem in

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